large normal 218: tweets (bong)

[Sashaddin]

VOTE: bdsm_Kyouko
because I had some touble with a japanese gal last game. Guilty by asssociation!

[Sashaddin]

I need something to get engaged into this game. So far BuJaber was the only interesting post.

VOTE: Creature
Which post, btw?

[Sashaddin]

How much experience with them?

2-3 games I think. I went to lylo with him once and I lost (as scum) by a hair. Most fun game I've had so far. ucp.php?i=pm&mode=view&f=0&p=1999092

[Sashaddin]

VOTE: bdsm_Kyouko
because I had some touble with a japanese gal last game. Guilty by asssociation!

If Sashaddin still keeps posting like this, most likely it's scum.

The above was is a nice setup for the below:

I need something to get engaged into this game. So far BuJaber was the only interesting post.

VOTE: Creature
Which post, btw?

Again, as I said before, this looks bad and it's not even the vote.

I posted this to see if YOU were not lazy. Don't have it stick on me!

Still pretty happy with my Sashaddin vote.

Yes, so with 3 posts, the first being an obvious RVS with the habitual light or funny entrance most have, you're ready to tag me as scum.

My vote was RVS, I don't plan to change it for a while either.

[Sashaddin]

Explain the TMI tell for the class please

Too Much Information?
I guess they are speaking of some slip they saw.

[Sashaddin]

My tl;dr is

So amor/joges is not TvT and jibril is scum.

You type reeeeallly fast.

I like your last paragraph about Nero.

[Sashaddin]

What did you like about it

I kinda missed that part of the game and I was happy to see a point that I had missed. The consequences of the lynch vs your possible alignment is something to think of at that moment too.
I town read you, btw.

[Sashaddin]

Sashaddin is barely reading the thread which is how those kinds of narratives catch whether they are factual or not.

After re-reading the thread again, plus the iso, the only relevant comment is 96. Barely reading... that's a stretch. It was easy to miss/forget. I'll give more time to this game

[Sashaddin]

Well, do you think Vedith claimed scum as scum after being scumread?

WIFOM?

[Sashaddin]

I see people reading but no follow up.
Vote Rooster or challenge me.

I'm still trying to know how many scums are in this duet to try to vote smartly. Both, one, none? That wall fest only makes me want to look elsewhere.

[Sashaddin]

VOTE: Rosterfoster
Well Roster looks very shifty to me now; I'll sheep Vedith, trolly but not shifty.

[Sashaddin]

Sash, what makes me look shifty to you

326, 328 and upper 331 you look Vedith as scum.
In the p-edit of 331 I understand you say he's made town stuff
In 337 you say you have looked into meta, but only town side, not when he's scum, which I find weird as hell.

I feel like you are trying to give him a bad rep over his trolling and I associate this as scum. I don't see him trolling as scummy though.
Not many things, I know, more a big gut feeling, that's why I called you shifty instead of public enemy #1.
Of you two, Vedith is a bit more credible to me right now.

[Sashaddin]

I'm still trying to know how many scums are in this duet to try to vote smartly

how does know how many scum are here help you "vote smartly"?

I was meaning by duet a group formed of two musical instruments. I thought that was it was called. So, in mafia terms:
Scum vs Scum unlikely
Scum vs Town probable
Town vs town probable

If 1, then I'll sheep the wagon with the most votes on it already.
If 2, I vote who I think is scum
If 3, I take extra care of my next move and think about it a little longer

[Sashaddin]

Happy birthday profii

[Sashaddin]

What do you think about Vedith's defence, and how eyes just waltzed in and announced 346 on some faulty af logic?

I agree with his first and second point of 332. Third means nothing. I kinda agree on his fourth too. Well in a sense I did before you posted yourself in 388.
Now that you've explained why you didn't looked at scum meta and such, I am not as confident as I was before.
UNVOTE: Rosterfoster

Regarding Eyes his argument makes sense to me in 346, especially regarding the behaviour of scums. But I'm not ready to join the wagon on him yet, he's null to me right now. I'll ISO him tonight when I'm not at work.

[Sashaddin]

I don't think there's anyways to say which is or isn't the most/least likely. In a way I guess you could argue that OR says this is TvT since there are going to be more town than scum in any decent setup and thus more town will argue against themselves. So I guess it ultimately boils down to your reads on Roster and Vedith and you obviously find Rooster scum and/or town read Vedith or you are scum with or you are scum that's chainsaw defending Vedith.

I'm not scum and I don't townread Vedith (null), I was suspecting Roster as scum.
The "more town will argue against themselves" is making sense mathematically, but my limited experience made me think there was probably at least one scum in that duo. I do think good scum players are often engaged in those kind of talk. You are probably right and not me though, as I'm not a good player. Working on it...

[Sashaddin]

Hello, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out my last post was one page ago.

Your last post was on page 15, this is page 20. Surprise!

[Sashaddin]

Hello, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out my last post was one page ago.

Your last post was on page 15, this is page 20. Surprise!

this feels shady

Half shade and half humour. I wish he'd contribute a bit more, sure, even if I'm his scumread. Maybe I should have put an emoticon or two...

[Sashaddin]

VOTE: Rosterfoster
Well Roster looks very shifty to me now; I'll sheep Vedith, trolly but not shifty.

actually give a logical arguement on how Vedith is a troll.
This is for Sash I dont want anyone else answering this.

Most of the posts from 245 to 319 are trolly to me. Declaring he's invincible... Trolly. Declaring he's scum... trolly. 251 where he'll give a scum a day... trolly. Especially when he names my top townread.
From 329 and 332 he's serious again, but 334 is just nasty.
In 332 and 342 he was admitting himself to have trolled, that's where I picked up the word. English is my second language so I wouldn't have picked troll, probabably.

At that time, I remember I wanted to take a side between Roster and Vedith. Vedith was acting more chaotic to me, like having fun dicking around. Roster gave me another impression and got the vote.
I think the best synonym for trolling, to me, would be 'controlled chaos'. Does it answer your question well?

[Sashaddin]

Hello, I wouldn't be surprised if I found out my last post was one page ago.

Your last post was on page 15, this is page 20. Surprise!

this feels shady

Half shade and half humour. I wish he'd contribute a bit more, sure, even if I'm his scumread. Maybe I should have put an emoticon or two...

you fucking just admitted to having a shadey motavtion behind it, if this was a reaction test you just failed.
If someone would legitamitly like to explain the town motivation behind this shit I would be happy.
VOTE: Sashaddin
tunnel time (pretend thats in Rainbow I cant be bothered doing it on mobile)

Many people think that low participation is a sign a scumminess. Of course it's shady if I point it out. Is shading always scummy? Or am I missing the point completely?

[Sashaddin]

No you didnt point it out, that was a scummy joke that implied it, its all semantics really, but you admitted to shade and for the life of me I couldnt find a townie motivation behind it

I feel you are really reaching with that single reply to Creature. Anything is not black or white. If you don't see a towny motivation it doesn't make it scum.

[Sashaddin]

Creature is town on a sash scum flip btw. That shade nor the scumread expressed by Creature feel like SvS interactions

What would I be on a Creature scum flip?

[Sashaddin]

@Sashaddin

-Are you an alt?

No, this is my only account on this only site of mafia. I'm not playing anywhere else under any other name. I'll give you my bibliography in the next post, someone else wants it.

[Sashaddin]

Creature needs to post

Reading sasha's ISO he does seem overly cautious like he's double checking things or waiting for approval at every turn. But again not a priority flip for today.

Probably obvious by now but nero/RCE is not SvS.

You've almost convinced me sashaddin is town, I have two games off the top of my head that he does this exact thing as town.

Sashaddin can you link two scum games for me to skim through? If I get the energy up I'll check myself later.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=76282 SCUM
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=76641
viewtopic.php?p=10362444#p10362444
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77190&p=10420379#p10420379
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77461
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77634
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77764 SCUM
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77928
viewtopic.php?p=10602062#p10602062
viewtopic.php?p=10667084#p10667084

[Sashaddin]

Hi Sash you're town

Do you want to mutually defend with me?

I know I'm town! But I am not convinced you are yet...

[Sashaddin]

I think as town, you should care a lot less about what makes you look scummy and you make your voice heard

This is

exactly

why I am still a bad player. Good eye.

[Sashaddin]

and including a line about a post that is nothing but a cooking chicken (why do this?).

The graphic 'violence' implied made me react. I see it didn't do that effect to most of you, I might be too prude. I thought that chicken was in bad taste (pun intended).

[Sashaddin]

lmao the first one isnt that bad Joges thats fucking weak

I felt like omgusing him but I never did that before iirc. But if I vote him, at two votes and the day ending, it would still be vanity I guess.

Scummies: Creature, Joges... both vanity
Townies: Lycanfire, RCEnigma, Overkill, Nero Cain

I'll wait until tomorrow evening when I have more time and will compare the isos of the 2-3 most wagoned players, then I'll vote.

[Sashaddin]

I'll wait until tomorrow evening when I have more time and will compare the isos of the 2-3 most wagoned players, then I'll vote.

VOTE: Jibril

[Sashaddin]

I wonder why vedith was the nk when a lot of people scum read him

I had the same reaction. Amor's theory is interesting though.

[Sashaddin]

Jibril (9): Emperor flippyNips, RCEnigma, Sashaddin, Creature, profii, BuJaber, rosterfoster, 0verki11, stan1ey

i think i was wrong, this might actually be a pretty good lynch. very easy to mislynch, so mafia probably piled onto this wagon

i town read creature, buj, overkill, roster although my town lean on his is falling.

that leaves me with these: Emperor flippyNips, RCEnigma, Sashaddin, profii

I heard through the grapevine that flippy has a very lurky scum meta so i'll start with my vote there VOTE: Emperor flippyNips i am also suspicious of RCE

So your scum list includes 4 of the 5 first on this wagon and no one in the last 4? That would be weird... You were the hammer, you could be scum yourself here.
Just speculation of course, I had a good vibe from you on Day 1.

[Sashaddin]

@REC: I wasn't asking Vedith is he was a TPR or not. What I said is I though maybe that's the reason he didn't want to try so he won't be the NK. Then his scum claim totally nullified the idea. He is NOT a TPR. He;s being trolly at best, or scum who's playing the "too scummy to be scum" card at worst.

You went from right to wrong on this one. I find this towny after night 1.

[Sashaddin]

After thinking this through, I discovered a flaw in my logic. Forget about the previous post.

[Sashaddin]

I'd like to hear ppl talk about RCE.

I just went through his iso. It gets better from the top down. I put him leaning town from reading it. At the beginning, he is rather lacking susbstance in his comments but he gets more pertinent and engaged near the end of the day. Was it a scum lurking and waiting for a late push?

[Sashaddin]

Then why are you unvoting?

Yeah, after analyzing what happened I could come to see Stan's point, but this change of vote is suspicious to me too. Why push a point just to let it go in the same page?

[Sashaddin]

I don't have a lot of time right now, but my short list of suspects is: amor, Joges and Creature. I'm voting right now, but after Sunday evening I'll be able to catch up and contribute a llitlle more.
VOTE: Joges

[Sashaddin]

I think I should have stayed in mini games because I suspect the larger numbers are confusing me but I am already here so I will try my best and if it doesn't work then I will refrain from joining large games in the future.

I had the same feeeling after my first large game.The advice I got: Find a towny guy you trust and sheep him. Take it for what it's worth... But I feel noob, mini and large are three different styles of games at their own beginning. You'll get used to it.

[Sashaddin]

In post 1061, Sashaddin wrote:
Find a towny guy you trust and sheep him.

Are you doing that this game?

No, that's the advice I received but it doesn't fit well with me. I just thought it could go well with someone else though.
I like this game because it makes me think, I won't steal the thoughts of others.... Maybe I would be better if I did though!!

[Sashaddin]

Like his first "we need to lynch in these slots to tell us about all these slots" just seemed like some overly complex chain lynching.

I hate this too, especially early game,I always get the feeeling that person knows more than me, and I get suspicious about them.

[Sashaddin]

I see Amor is voting Creature which is something I can't blame him for, but I feel like there are bigger fish in the sea. If Creature is scum (and I'n feeling this way) he won't live to end game.

What makes him safer to leave around than Joges?

They're both lurking, but joges is getting away with it. joges pops up to actually respond to some posts and then disappears while Creature clearly isn't even playing the game, so I think he will be lynched down the line anyway.

but don't get me wrong. I am willing to vote Creature if joges doesn't pick up.

If I were sheeping this would be the post I would choose. (1028)

[Sashaddin]

Well, aren't you? You 2 both want Joges dead and I don't really fault either of you for thinking he's active lurking scum.

Can you remind me why you are town leaning RCE?

Yes, but it is coincidental and not strategical. I don't particularly read Eyes as towny either, he's still in the null to me.

I had the feeling he was trying instead of lurking, and he hadn't done anything scummy. I liked a couple of posts I guess but not enough for the full town status.

[Sashaddin]

the mod is due for a prod.

Three more posts I guess

[Sashaddin]

Btw, is there a way to have more than 25 posts per page?

[Sashaddin]

also reminder - creature needs to be lynched soon (or vigged or something)

I agree. Looking at the VC, switching to him makes sense number wise. Joining you.
UNVOTE: Joges
VOTE: Creature

[Sashaddin]

Thats a bad vote sasha, creature is town. Whats your thoughts on RCE and Flippy?? What would make you vote one of them?

I have a hard time figuring out how you can be so sure about Creature

RCE: I like his posts from 100+. Doesn't do anything scummy. Kept the conversation going. Comments on other players, so is following the game. Slight townlean to me.

Emperor Flippynips: Spent 9 straight posts tunneling Jibril on Day 1. Then, VOTE: 787 and not one more word about it. Nothing on Day 2. Tbh, It seems I didn't give that slot much attention during Day 1. Slight Scumlean now.

I don't think I'd vote RCE, but Flippy is lynchable for me if you give me a lists of his potential acolytes so I can see by myself.

[Sashaddin]

If Nips was town I wouldn't be the counterwagon to him

Can you elaborate?

[Sashaddin]

Can't we just lynch Nips? I'm too tired to look for other scum.

If we're not looking around we will have less clues Day 3. What don't you like about Flippy. Try to convince me, it might push my scumread a bit further on him.

[Sashaddin]

The fact sketchy players like Amor and Enigma are hopping into my wagon while no one else is jumping to the FlippyNips wagon sorta confirms Nips as scum.

I have a hard time figuring out the logic of this If (A and not B) then C argument. The "sorta" just doesn't make it true.

[Sashaddin]

Yeah but he flying under the radar and not talking about who he wants to lynch or anything. He's being overly cautious and I don't feel like that comes from town.

You're describing the style I'm trying to abandon, lol. Maybe that's why I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt...
But yeah, it looks scummy and I've been mislynched a few times because of this.

I'm not totally convinced right now, but there are 9 days left...

[Sashaddin]

Can't we just lynch Nips? I'm too tired to look for other scum.

profii is also scum

Okay, I have FlippyNips as scum and I believe he's scum regardless of how wagons went.

So those are your scum pool? Why give them one by one?

[Sashaddin]

I need something to get engaged into this game. So far BuJaber was the only interesting post.

VOTE: Creature
Which post, btw?

Me still no like this

I wanted to be sure you were referencing 18, which has nothing to do with this game at all. I don't see how you can read anything from it. So what was so interesting about that post while we're at it?

[Sashaddin]

assuming 1090 isn't intended as a vote change

Wrong tags.... It was meant to be post

[Sashaddin]

Eyes:

Spoiler:

Still pretty happy with my Sashaddin vote.

Hi Sash you're town

Do you want to mutually defend with me?

BuJaber
Nero Cain

Emperor flippyNips

joges
Eyes without a face
0verki11

Enigma

stan1ey

rosterfoster
RCEnigma
Sashaddin

Amor
Creature
Lycanfire

profii

Any questions?

Even if they both suspect me, I prefer RCE's story. Creature, as seen above, looks like he tried to pocket me mid-game and put me back on PoE list when it failed. I don't see the town points that others can I guess.

[Sashaddin]

With the exception of Sasha, a bunch of shady slots are town reading him. Scum that knows he's town or buddies?

Lycanfire is, with you, my top town reads. What's shady about him?
I hate when my town reads scumread each other

[Sashaddin]

1310 >> 1311

[Sashaddin]

Ehh, I'm tilted and everyone's probably scum at this point.

No townreads, really?

[Sashaddin]

Also I suggest you to policy lynch anyone unwilling to move away from me. They know at this point I can confirm myself as town yet they'd rather waste their time on me so they aren't forced to actually scumhunt.

How can you confirm yourself to be town?

[Sashaddin]

This implies lyching Profii in a close future. Alright I guess. Regarding the other two...
VOTE: Flippy

[Sashaddin]

L-2 I think

[Sashaddin]

Well maybe not, sashaddin and Profii have been pretty inseparable.

Say what? If that's the case, it ends here.
VOTE: Profii

[Sashaddin]

what do you achieve by 'separating' us like that?

Not "achieving" anything, I just wanted to vote you yesterday but I spent the night thinking of it. I admit I just did what I should've done yesterday anyways a bit too late, now it just looks dumb. I can live with it though.

[Sashaddin]

It was just an observation, it doesn't necessarily mean anything but the two of you have voted the same on every wagon.

Apart from the D1 Eyes/Roster wagons, I see that you are right. I did not understand inseparable in that way. Now it makes more sense to me.
Trust me I wasn't sheeping Profii (no offense).

[Sashaddin]

So scum!sash wouldn't do this if you were scum and wouldn't do this if you were town?

In the current situation, I imagine myself voting Profii whatever my alignment:
As town!Sash, I have enough to suspect him
As scum!Sash, I happily jump on a popular wagon. Oh wait, that's not my playstyle...

[Sashaddin]

Sasha why did you switch from creature to flippy if flippy was being pushed by creature?

I was feeling the Creature wagon was going nowhere and I could sense bad vibes from Flippy's performance and he day was ending. I didn't take into account the fact that Creature was on Flippy too. To be honest, I don't really look with whom I vote. Maybe I should. I still have bad vibes about Creatue but Profii is the flavor of the week and I like my vote on him for reasons, so I won't go near Creature alone today...

[Sashaddin]

Ok, I would as town but probably not as scum. Sorry for being cryptic.

[Sashaddin]

Hang on you didn't answer my question.. you pulled that old timey saloon hustler trick where you say heads I win, tails you lose.

The question was if you were scum:
-would you vote for profii if he were your scum buddy
-would you vote for profii if he were town

Oh that is so not what I understood
1. I don't have a lot of experience in bussing, I think I'd wait one more vote or two before going in. I can't say, I never had to do it. But it looks early.
2. Sure, he looks scum and there is a wagon forming on him. Good occasion to slip in.

[Sashaddin]

Safest lynch for today because of himself being hypocrite (don't mean it as an insult, but there's not another term for it)

I don't get why I am a hypocrite (No offense taken)

[Sashaddin]

1) You just gave his your typical scum play
2) You have contradicted yourself because that's exactly what you did. You hopped on the most popular wagons when they were L-3 / L-4 .

1. I had 2 games as scum, and one of them was my first one ever, I didn't learn much. I don't have a

typical

scum play... I don't draw red often.
2. That's what I did but it's not typical of me. I often end up without a vote on Day 1.... I vote carefully when I do.

[Sashaddin]

I mean, should I vote profii or not?

If he were Town PR, he'd have claimed it. So he's either VT or scum. If he'S VT, no big deal but it gets us closer to Lylo. If he's scum that's one down.
TBH, his attempt to townread me might have softened the read I have on him, we played a couple of games together so I think he can read me well. I don't think he'd try a pocket with me though.

The thing that ticked me is that he was on many big wagons and on both lynches plus his iso wasn't good to my eyes yesterday evening. But today I get the feeling this wagon filled up way too fast and it's suspicious.. I don't know now, the context is confusing me.
I'm tempted to pull my vote here. Hmm.

When I have more time tonight I'll give at least Profii and Creature another pass.

Maybe you should wait for the opinion of the more experienced player!

[Sashaddin]

What’s your read on sasha?

Sasha can go

Her vote on profii was bad

*His
It was not the best vote, but it was better than most of yours this game. I think you're projecting.

[Sashaddin]

Why are so many people town reading Sasha for, I’m still confused

I've been told I have an awkward style. Probably that makes me look a little scummy at all times. Do you want a list of the games I played? You could understand me a bit more...

[Sashaddin]

Nero, Eyes, Flapjack and Lycan are my town reads. Unfortunately, not one is on the wagon with me, there are only guys who are more or less shady to me. Given that situation and the fact that around 4* wolves are at large vs so few of us, I'm not so sure about Profii right now.

*Based on games I saw

UNVOTE: Profii
Creature, you're on the watch list.

[Sashaddin]

Creature, you're on the watch list.

Are you claiming watcher?

Ah, no, really sorry. I forgot this role existed. I should have used something else... You're my 'PoE' (?) Forgot the meaning. The one guy you suspect but don't bother voting on yet.

[Sashaddin]

you do realize that the only reason that I wasn't voting Proifii is b/c I didn't want to risk prematurely ending the day. I'll vote him later.

I missed that part. Will reread thread accordingly.

[Sashaddin]

What is your read on overkill, sasha?

Day 1: retroactively: probably town, good arguments, suspicious of me (often town, scum leave me alone to be mislynched later), I have a good feeling overall but I don't think I was that sure at that moment
Day 2: I think I was less sure of his towniness iirc
Day 3: He looks better again to me, but I won't put him in a full town read yet. I like his comment about the nightkill.

I have only played a single game with him and I got turbo-lynched (as town) Day 1, so I don't know his playstyle.

[Sashaddin]

tbh I could get a meaningful read on Sashaddin (or like anyone) if she was around.

However, half of the game decided to be worthless bags,

so I'll have to talk with the non-worthless bags (though I think there may have scum around them anyway).

Dude, did you see your own Day 1? come on! Oh, and I'm a he (again).
So my style isn't to be posting walls, or pointing fingers every occasion I can. I prefer to read, analyze and answer when I'm asked to. I'm a bit cautious. You wanna know something? Ask, I'll always answer. My style isn't like yours, and it doesn't have to. I'm not as verbose as everyone because English is not my first language I guess. I'm also a math teacher, if I were to teach a language maybe I'd be more chatty.
But to tell me I'm not around, dude.... you're pissing me off.

[Sashaddin]

There are four scum

I suppose your top 4 scum are rn a mix of Lycan, profii, RCE and Enigma?

How do you KNOW there are four?

[Sashaddin]

There will be 13 town and 4 mafia.

Mea Culpa, I forgot Schadd was one of the mods who listed that. I really forgot about it. I thought it was four too, but was open to surprises.

[Sashaddin]

Dude, did you see your own Day 1?

I remember I've been doing stuff atleast.

Your first post that has 2 lines (omitting one related to your ISP), is your 35th one.
Then it's 52nd
So that's 50 one-liners out of 52. Doing stuff?

I don't know man, you see things your way and I'll do the same. I don't want to fight with you as I fear it could get personal. MS is a great community so far. I don't want to ruin that for myself.

[Sashaddin]

So what do you think about Lycan?

He was one of top reads Day 1 and 2. I liked a couple of his posts (I'lll go fishing if you want to know which ones) and I dind't have a bad feeling about him. A good feeling I must say, but for what it's worth...
I can ISO him after I'm back from that errand my wife is nagging me about...

[Sashaddin]

I can get Enigma's vote, he was suspicious of me earlier. But I thought both RCS and Lycan were townreading me, and with the weird reason/no reason combo....
I'd lynch RCE before Enigma before Lycan, but I'll follow you for a while.

[Sashaddin]

Yes
I wanted to initially, but something made me back up. I don't remember what exactly... I'll check my iso. This sound scummy af, but I'm high af as well.

[Sashaddin]

Ah yeah, I was afraid of something about how the wagon was formed or something. I'll look again a couple of posts around that to be sure.

[Sashaddin]

I just checked out Profii, his last minute vote on Enigma is curious. Distancing a scum or trying to pull a townie?
I'd be fine with either of the others at this moment as well.

[Sashaddin]

To be fair. I don't care who gets Lynch anymore.

Do you have a scum - town list?

[Sashaddin]

fun fact, the mod hasn't done a vc in 10 pages :/

VOTE: Enigma

Sashaddin (5): Flapjack, Creature, Enigma, RCEnigma, Lycanfire
profii (2): Succinct, rosterfoster,
Enigma (2): profii, Nero Cain

not voting (7): BuJaber, Eyes without a face, 0verki11

Looks like there is at least 1 town on my wagon. I'd say Lycan, then maybe Flapjack. Any one wants to comment?

[Sashaddin]

Still don't know why Sash jumped on me saying there are four scum when the game size clearly pointed to four scum and no one treats it as a potential slip anyway.

I told you, I didn't remember this Mod, Schadd, was giving that info openly. I thought it was 4 to but I was just unsure, I saw a game that had a serial killer not too long ago, making it 1-3-13 or something. Sorry for that.

[Sashaddin]

Looks like there is at least 1 town on my wagon. I'd say Lycan, then maybe Flapjack. Any one wants to comment?

creature and rce

I really suck at reading people it seems.

VOTE: Enigma

[Sashaddin]

RCE was a counterwagon day 2, has encouraged a fast day today, doesn't care who gets lynched, and has a buttload of controversy around them that's a goldmine for post-flip analysis.

This is one of the best lines I've read in a while.

[Sashaddin]

probably need to reread sash if everyone is currently thinking they are scum.

I'd say it's a 50-50 split of the active players right now.

[Sashaddin]

Moreover, this question is actually pointless, what information do you achieve from my response? We are two separate persons and we have different reads, the question in itself is wrong, why do I have to respond for what my slot did prior to my own personal actions?

To see if there is consistency? I've never replaced so far but I think I'd be sure my line of thought is similar to the previous guy, especially as scum. Are you?

[Sashaddin]

ugh....you just had to go do that huh? I agree with Flapjack though.

I haven't finished my first coffee yet...
Maybe I should try replacing once or twice to experience it, you two are probably right. It seems the learning curve of this game is pretty steep to me.

[Sashaddin]

Actually the worst post you’ve made by far. Of course there will be inconsistency regardless because we tr based on different tells, replacements are usually known to be a threat to scum because

they see stuff that people didn’t see at the time the current action happened

It makes even more sense to me now. Thanks. I was wrong indeed.

[Sashaddin]

I keep leaking I’m actually so mad rn lmao

What does leaking mean in this context?

[Sashaddin]

the point was that IME ppl that answer questions directed at another player are often scum. IDK, I like to think that your town and you legit town told. Yes, I knew I'd get the whole "he's scum fake town telling." and maybe. idk. I'm willing to fall on my sword I guess but now I maybe care a little less if you get lynched. I guess you would make sense as scum with Lycan.

Directed to me?

[Sashaddin]

You just keep town reading Lycan. As town it's not impossible that you misread him. I just don't think its totally impossible that you town read your buddy, idk.

He was one of my solid read Day 1 and 2. I will give him another look during my lunchtime. I think your read on him changed Day3, I'll try to make sense of all this.

[Sashaddin]

If RC flips town, we lynch Sasha, agreed, BuJ?

What's the reasoning on this? I haven't interacted with him much, I don't see any association right now.

[Sashaddin]

It isn’t tied to association, we can’t come to a consensus so we made a deal. I follow his reads and if rc flips town, he follows mine.

Ok thanks, This happens because you townnread each other, right?

[Sashaddin]

I will give him another look during my lunchtime.

I lliked the posts 160, 209, 419, 530 and 866
From 1172, he turns to RCE.
Not too long after this, 1310 on Creature.
1741 now he's on me....
1796But changes to Enigma real quick.

I sense a bit of opportunism in the later posts. I'm still townreading him, but maybe not as hard as before. He could be an excellent scum. This is not an easy game for town.

[Sashaddin]

You see, you are trying to be too perfect. You don’t have a conclusive “this is scum, let’s push this / this is town, let’s not push this” , your vote changes as the town’s voting changes and you hop on wagons as they change. You’re aiming to be a perfect player and you don’t want to leave a trail behind for people to pick on “this leans towards a townread but can be scum” is just an excuse if later on you’ll get accused for voting someone. You are too afraid to give a scum read to a town because you think that would look scummy. This is why I’m voting you. I don’t know how people don’t see this shit. You’re just analysing ISOs without a conclusion. You’re scared to fuck up because you know people will push you for that. That’s why you’re scum.

You're right on the premise and the facts, but you are wrong on the conclusion. I don't push because I'm not

confident

enough. In a recent game , I remember being a bit more open on Day 1, I f'ed up and got lynched very quick as town. So of course I don't want this to happen again, it doesn't help town in any way. I'm scared to fuck up because I know I can be an easy lynch and I don't want to be a fodder for Day 1 or 2. When I get a bit better at this I'll probably be able to push a bit, but for now I'm playing within my range which I think helps town vs me pushing everyone for no good reasons. It's not that I'm scum. It's that I'm not a good player yet, and unconfident to boot.

[Sashaddin]

Insomnia, I never saw you give as much attention to another player as you are doing with me. Suppose I get nightkilled/lynched, who will be your target tomorrow?

[Sashaddin]

Sash will never get night killed

So you know I'm town... why are you still voting me? What liability would I be in lylo?

[Sashaddin]

You won’t, scum need you alive or you are scum. It’s not the mafs job to take out the scummiest town when they can be easy mislynches, if you would die, it would mean mafia doesn’t have experience on this website.

But to answer your hypothetical question, BuJ would be a good push.

Sash will never get night killed

So you know I'm town... why are you still voting me? What liability would I be in lylo?

You didn’t get my point.

Ok now I do.

[Sashaddin]

I'm assuming we dont have any invests btw cuz holy shit.

Would investigatives reveal themselves at this point? Looks early to me, but what do I know...

[Sashaddin]

You won’t, scum need you alive or you are scum. It’s not the mafs job to take out the scummiest town when they can be easy mislynches, if you would die, it would mean mafia doesn’t have experience on this website.

If this is the case, my bet on a team would be Bujaber, Nero, Eyes/Rosterfoster, and Profii. The first two appeared particularly towny to me, I thought they could be good nightkills instead of Vedith or even Stanley. It might explain why they are still here.
I can't stop not townreading Lycanfire even after rereading his iso for the 345435th time.

[Sashaddin]

we could always lynch somebody i scumread for once

bujaber
profii

VOTE: Profii

Which would mean Roster as town in my hypothesis above.

[Sashaddin]

how about we lynch Profii so we dont lynch him in lylo

No, but I'm fine lynching profii so he doesn't endgame us in lylo.

What?

He doesn't want to but he will do it anyway? I agree that's not clear...