copycat. Still, at least you don't confuse me with a chicken.
VOTE: Stan1ley
It's a reason, not the only reason. I have not looked at your scum games yet (shock horror!), but I am trying to understand the motivation for what you are saying. It is not the town motivation that I now see you had in our previous game (which btw I can make a much better judgement about than some random scum game of yours that I wasn't in).In post 332, Vedith wrote:So if meta is my reason for being Scum, explain my Scum meta.
Umm.. yes? That's kind of what this game is about. I'm not sure I could play any other way.Vedith wrote:But you're argument is I'm scummy before of meta, not because I am trolling.In post 331, rosterfoster wrote:Trolling by itself is a scummy behaviour (post RVS). But you have a meta for it, so how you troll is important.
So if meta is my reason for being Scum, explain my Scum meta.
I think it was fairly obvious that neither of us had looked at that rule, or thought that it existed. However, you obviously knew that 3 scum was normal, so it was not unreasonable for me to say that (as town or scum). However, trying to push this gets some reactions from me, which I think proved rather useful in you townreading me (the only read you got right btw, which I think is largely because you had that direct interaction with me).So me saying the mod got Scum count wrong is a serious troll?
Well maybe I feel pressure in a different way to you then. I really don't like how you're just now in tunnel mode now though. This may actually be a playstyle thing more than anything, but I feel it's much better to be conversational.It was never deliberately proactive.
But if you had pressure with this, just wait until I tunnel you this game until one of us are dead.
By not mentioning it?In what way do I fail to mention about me and eyes? You are bringing the case that I'm Scum because I trolled in a game where I was town. Why would I randomly say "but my interaction with eyes"? I'm not sure what your point is with that?
And for it being scummy. I'm okay with that part.
I believe that you troll every game, regardless of alignment. However, you're no Clemency, and no matter what you say there is some motivation behind your posts (whether conscious or not) that is from your alignment. Trying to figure out how that plays into how you troll is what I'm doing.
You're entire argument is you deciding what mind set I had when posting in that game to this game when it's not different at all.
It's a reason, not the only reason. I have not looked at your scum games yet (shock horror!), but I am trying to understand the motivation for what you are saying. It is not the town motivation that I now see you had in our previous game (which btw I can make a much better judgement about than some random scum game of yours that I wasn't in).In post 332, Vedith wrote:So if meta is my reason for being Scum, explain my Scum meta.
But you're argument is I'm scummy before of meta, not because I am trolling.In post 331, rosterfoster wrote:Trolling by itself is a scummy behaviour (post RVS). But you have a meta for it, so how you troll is important.
I think it was fairly obvious that neither of us had looked at that rule, or thought that it existed. However, you obviously knew that 3 scum was normal, so it was not unreasonable for me to say that (as town or scum). However, trying to push this gets some reactions from me, which I think proved rather useful in you townreading me (the only read you got right btw, which I think is largely because you had that direct interaction with me).So me saying the mod got Scum count wrong is a serious troll?
Well maybe I feel pressure in a different way to you then. I really don't like how you're just now in tunnel mode now though. This may actually be a playstyle thing more than anything, but I feel it's much better to be conversational.It was never deliberately proactive.
But if you had pressure with this, just wait until I tunnel you this game until one of us are dead.
By not mentioning it?In what way do I fail to mention about me and eyes? You are bringing the case that I'm Scum because I trolled in a game where I was town. Why would I randomly say "but my interaction with eyes"? I'm not sure what your point is with that?
And for it being scummy. I'm okay with that part.
Umm.. yes? That's kind of what this game is about. I'm not sure I could play any other way.You're entire argument is you deciding what mind set I had when posting in that game to this game when it's not different at all.
No.Back peddling here, eh?
Yes. Your trolling here was designed to slow the game down (and to some extend it worked. Obviously I didn't help by not being active until now but hard to decipher posts make it harder).So I'm Scum because I am trolling here and because I troll with a reason in other games. This is correct?
Does anyone actually read the rules and then remember that tiny bit of information?So first of about the post you quoted. It was on the opening rules so why would i suspect people don't know it?
But it helped you sort me, no? Whether you mean to or not (though I strongly suspect you mean to) how you troll will be different depending on if you are town or scum. You couldn't control that if you wanted to.Again you are trying to tell me what my reasons were for posting it.
Nobody blinks an eye when you troll. You do, don't you? If that's not the case link me a recent game where you haven't.How can you believe that I troll every game with 1 game played with me?
-That, and the eyes interaction (as I said before). Also now your convenient arguments which try to paint what I said in a different light.Yes me trolling is what you are Scum reading me for. Surely by your argument it's NAI and the reasons for Scum reading me are this game alone.
And what is me not mentioning me and eyes posting which happened like 2 pages ago have to do with anything? There would be no reason for me to randomly mention it as either align.
But comparing you mindset and motivations to a previous game I was quite invested in is useful. I don't necessarily need another reference point (which seems to be your whole defense), because this game is not black and white. If you could link to a scum game of yours, however, I would appreciate it. Probably wont be able to look at it right now, but later.You are here to decide my mind side and motivations for this game alone.
How am I weasling out of it? I think we both said our piece, more wall posting about that would clog up the thread.In post 360, Vedith wrote:Come on Rooster, don't quit the meta read on me now.
I'm not surprised you're trying to weasel out of it though now you're shown as Scum.
In the game that we were talking about, he was town but was trolling a bit, but I think in a different way to here. Sorry if that was a bit confusing.In post 361, Sashaddin wrote: In the p-edit of 331 I understand you say he's made town stuff
I only have one game with him - he was town there. I've not put the effort in to looking at his scum games, but in any case I feel it is much more likely to be accurate to compare with games that you were in. As I said, you don't necessarily need a scum reference point also.In 337 you say you have looked into meta, but only town side, not when he's scum, which I find weird as hell.
I feel like this comes from town Sasha. I am trying to analyse the way in which he was trolling, and also his latests posts and interactions with eyes weren't so good.I feel like you are trying to give him a bad rep over his trolling and I associate this as scum. I don't see him trolling as scummy though.
Not many things, I know, more a big gut feeling, that's why I called you shifty instead of public enemy #1.
Of you two, Vedith is a bit more credible to me right now.
I also think this is true. I think what happened was this - scum Vedith sees that I'm making a case on him. The Jbril wagon is baseless (like can somebody actually tell me why?) so it will dissipate. The case on Vedith is reasonably strong (IMHO), so it is likely a wagon will build on Vedith. Therefore, he needs to redirect to someone as otherwise he'll be under a lot of pressure. Making it a 1v1 is an obvious choice then, as I have stuck my neck out a little bit so it's probably more likely that he can wagon me.In post 444, Eyes without a face wrote:Maybe I'm being too simple in my analysis and the way I generate reads? I don't know. We will see.
Ah I've been waiting for this. Good reasons. Think Vedith is a bigger fish to fry though.In post 490, BuJaber wrote:1. Jibril slipped that she knew the alignment of joges/amor. (Matter of interpretation, so you may agree or disagree)
2. Jibril is posting 0 reasoning for any reads, is not actively pushing for my lynch, is not exposing any train of thought that can be judged/analyzed. (Hiding)
3. Has shown no interest in engaging me directly. Has ignored my question to her 3 times already.
4. Has not been commenting on game events, or leading wagons. Conveniently ignoring all of that to focus on her supposed tunnel.
I said this already, but I felt like eyes' reaction to his wagon was good. I'm also not sure I like how quickly that wagon moved (nor your push for a claim, but I'm not sure that comes from scum). Lycan summed up the case on Vedith scum associations quite well I thought (530) which strengthens my convictions. Stanley scum is also possible. I can't be bothered writing up everything on Vedith again.In post 546, BuJaber wrote:Why is vedith scum though? Also can't just throw out a read on vedith without mentioning Eyes. How do you feel about Eyes?
I never like it when people try to sacrifice themselves.In post 834, RCEnigma wrote:In fact, I'll even offer myself you and when I flip town you can be the turbo Lynch.
Vedith - I was only getting eyes from associatives, and since Vedith flipped town there was none, and it was probably town trying to work together.In post 947, RCEnigma wrote:I thought Stanley made this post but I was wrong. Still curious which flip made eyes town and why exactly?
As if such a thing exists...In post 972, stan1ey wrote:That is objectively a very scummy thing to post
This is town.In post 983, BuJaber wrote:Because the gambit helps scum more than town I'm inclined to believe it comes from scum.
I think if he were PR you'd agree with me that he committed suicide, so let's say he's either VT or scum.
If VT, the obvious advantage is to bait the NK. No other advantage. You could say him trying to take himself out of the lynch pool helps increase the odds of lynching scum, but at the same time it increases the odds of lynching or exposing an actual TPR.
If scum, he is trying to avoid getting lynched, distracts the game thread by making the players discuss his claim, could potentially expose PRs who are less likely to believe him, or even try to lynch players who call him out on it.
As for the sorting, this engagement between us 3 is a good start, and also seeing your reactions to other wagons etc. I am less sure of my original assumption that one of you has to be scum. Without a joges flip that was a premature assumption to make.
You still think RCE is mafia? Then why change your vote?
Eyes is also town.In post 1002, Eyes without a face wrote:I see lots of talk but little production. You're all repeating the same arguments against each other and it boils down to "this is how I feel but I have no evidence" which isn't helping me much.
I even asked BuJ & Enigma questions and they didn't respond. Well, BuJ didn't and Enigma didn't post since.
I think I should have stayed in mini games because I suspect the larger numbers are confusing me but I am already here so I will try my best and if it doesn't work then I will refrain from joining large games in the future.
Me too.In post 1016, Eyes without a face wrote:RCE talks a lot, but I am finding it hard to comprehend everything he says.
At least try when you're posting.In post 1017, Creature wrote:This game still keeps being uninteresting.
I don't get why people think stuff like that is scummy.In post 1022, Enigma wrote:I just remember in my reread after the flips that something felt a bit off in his posts .. i think it was something about the backflipping to/fro on vedith at the end of D1. haven't seen enough of his posts today though
This is still scum.
What a shit post.In post 1189, profii wrote:Haha this is going to come across badly for me I think but I don’t really care... I think RCE is town
Fake rage.In post 1213, stan1ey wrote:Creature is the biggest wagon wtf he is town what are you guys doing
Who are you?In post 1215, Succinct wrote:Agreed.In post 1213, stan1ey wrote:Creature is the biggest wagon wtf he is town what are you guys doing
I'd lynch anyone there.
That profii's suspicious on other merits seals the deal.
This is also scum.
You were scum. I was right. Here you are town. I am also right.In post 1327, BuJaber wrote: 3. Roster tunnelled me to death as town last game. I don't know if it's a fluke of a game or what but she was one of the top posters.
I am.In post 1352, stan1ey wrote:Why arent you voting me then
Yes but you were never going to get a reaction out of flippy, whereas something was building on RCE. Town sticks there.In post 1350, stan1ey wrote:I can think 2 people are mafia at the same time
Oh that was joges. Yeah you could be scum too.In post 1159, schadd_ wrote:succinct replaces joges.
In post 998, stan1ey wrote:Alright fair enoughIn post 996, RCEnigma wrote:This was well before Bujaber prodded furtherIn post 821, RCEnigma wrote:I'll get around to isoing and reading up after my shift. Initial thoughts are that Stanley is the most suspicious. Immediately points to the early voters without much to base it on. Calling out the number of scum on the wagon pings as weird too, possibly tmi. If Stanley is scum here I think it's probable there's a partner on the back end of the wagon.
VOTE: flippy
I still think youre mafia
You're shading RCE a bit because you know he's scum, but you actually want flippy (mis)lynched.