Open 53: Near-Vanilla - Game over!

[Eldritch Lord]

I am reading through more recent additions since my last visitation of this thread.

Upon completion, I will grant your request Shanba as well as contribute to the current discussion regarding Klebian.

[Eldritch Lord]

I am in another game with TSN (If meta'ing is against this game's rules, which given Justin's previous post, I doubt it is--then disregard this post as best you can, I'll try to keep it to a minimum).

TSN is earnest, yet reserves the greater deal of his reasoning. He's either got none, or is exactly the kind of genius that bides his time before inventing the wheel.

Either way, in all of this I'm going to have to:

FoS:

Klebian, since early game he seems to be scumhunting--but does so in a manner that almost encourages some kind of deadline in a game that has none. To do so seems anti-town.

Vote: Shanba

This is a combination of earlier-game posting and the fact that you're asking so specifically about a player that has hardly been mentioned in the past two pages from a new player who could potentially set up a new "bandwagon".

[Eldritch Lord]

Outside intervention diverts suspicion and would be far preferable than directly setting up a bandwagon. If it worked, it would be a rather brilliant mafia ploy. I'd also like to see a little more pressure on you, since you've been coasting for a while and been able to sit idly at the sidelines tossing an opinion in here and there.

Just a vote, if you continue to act non-scummy with a little pressure then I'll probably hop on this Klebian bandwagon. He seems rather suspicious, but not close enough to a lynch for me to bandwagon on him.

[Eldritch Lord]

That's because people trust me, that's not a scumtell. In fact, that almost sounds like the "too townie" fallacy.

People trusted Hitler would be easily appeased.

Eldritch, are you voting Shanba primarily because you think he's most likely to be scum, or because you just want pressure on him?

Also, your predecessor has also not been suspected much. Should someone be voting you as well, then?

To be honest, I had no considered this. Upon reading over Justin's posts once again, I have changed my mind. Based on his reasoning:

unFoS: Klebian

unvote

Vote: Klebian

HoS: Korlash

(Based solely on Justin's reasoning, which makes sense to me).

My case against Shanba was weak, which is why it has been so easily abandoned--Yes, that does count as my reasoning for votedropping.

[Eldritch Lord]

Meta-Game Comment: This game moves very slowly in comparison to the other game I'm in.

In-Game: Jtdyer, are there specific points of Justin's posts that I can address for you?

[Eldritch Lord]

In-Game: Jtdyer, are there specific points of Justin's posts that I can address for you?

There wasn't anything specific, some of it just gives off the sense of scumness.

That seems like a pretty baseless argument. Perhaps your vote would be better spent on someone with some hard evidence against them.

[Eldritch Lord]

Yes, all members not posting in the past 3 days should be prodded, even if they're here and checking. This game is so dead that something needs to happen or I may be out for a replace (if only to fill a wasted slot in my watched topics).

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[Eldritch Lord]

Waiting to hear more from Klebian. I'd like to see the votes on him go somewhere, Neko's post is a good argument. Nothing more to add than that, even if I don't like how freely he doles out the FoS'.

[Eldritch Lord]

unvote

Vote: Korlash

Epic lack of contribution to Town in his last few posts and what essentially amounts to a "I <3 Scum" line. It's a meta yes, but this game doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast so I always have time to unvote.

[Eldritch Lord]

Good post Neko, it properly embodies my thoughts/feelings towards Korlash.

I can't play a game where nothing is happening, mod. Rehashing the same material only works so often.

[Eldritch Lord]

I would support either a Korlash or Klebian wagon.

The more I read Korlash however, the more I begin to think that he just has a quirky disconnection to the game that comes with just not really giving a shit.

[Eldritch Lord]

How is it scummy? I though the key point about being scum is to appear town. How does being useless make me scum? It brings attention to me, makes me worthless in halping/bussing partners, I can't very well direct a mislynch if i ADMIT to being useless now can i?

at least I'm active. At least I'm more or less adressing things said to me. granted that alone makes me not useless doesn't it... ha ha ha... Ahhh... I'll have to try harder next time!

This lends itself to tons of circular logic, i.e.
1. S/he appears Town, only scum must try to appear Town
2. S/he must be scum for appearing Town
3. Other Town can play like scum.
4. S/he appears scum, they must be Town.
5. Since s/he must be Town, they must be acting like Town acts--since they are in fact Town.
6. Thus, s/he must be scum, because s/he is acting the way Town is supposed to--like scum.

In short, WIFOM.

[Eldritch Lord]

WIFOM that leads to me being town... By your own statement I'm more likely town cause I don't care. All this circumstancial stuff leads to me being town. Kleb's death leads to me being more active. Me being more active leads to me being less scummy. Hows that for circular logic? ^^

WIFOM that leads to a 5/8 chance that you are, indeed, by standard psychological model, Town.

Unvote

Vote: Klebian

If he comes up Town, you're right next in line. ;D

Also, I only let you beat my face in with a golf club because you are my son and it is in my own rational self-interest that you become a man (as opposed to slave) and carry on my legacy by going up to Fontaine's office and killin' the sonuvabitch. Thus my sacrifice leads to my victory--Andrew Ryan would have made an excellent Mafia player.

[Eldritch Lord]

FoS: Neko

"Not enough evidence to warrant a lynch." -Neko.

Sounds to me like there was.

[Eldritch Lord]

I would argue that there was more evidence elsewhere, really. TSN had one valid argument. Korlash said 'yeah, what he said,' basically. jtdyer said 'yeah, what they said.' k7 said kleb was on his scum-list (who

didn't

suspect him at some point?) and gave his main argument as 'kleb ended up getting crub lynched instead of tsn by voting me' (though tsn is now confirmed town, so that wouldn't have really mattered).

Looking back at your own posts, the only reasoning you gave was your second post in this game in which you gave him a FOS, saying

Klebian, since early game he seems to be scumhunting--but does so in a manner that almost encourages some kind of deadline in a game that has none. To do so seems anti-town.

The case against kleb was actually pretty weak. I felt it was much more likely that Korlash was scum due to his sheer lack of cooperation.

(On that note, Korlash--I feel like a dumbass. During rereads I think I figured out what you were talking about yesterday 'feeling like me in our last game.' Makes sense now...)

I believe our last scum bussed kleb and couldn’t come up with an original reason to do so. It would be one of jtdyer, k7, or eldritch. I’m continuing my rereads.


Near, welcome to the game. I look forward to getting a fresh perspective.

Yes, I hammered my partner. /sarcasm

Obviously, if the case was right, it couldn't have been that weak.

Vote: Neko

That explanation neither satisfies, nor helps me. You were pushing Korlash's wagon pretty hard and now all of a sudden, its more opportunistic for you to jump on Jt, K7, and I. You don't offer an alternative, this is WIFOM--perhaps that's what the scum wanted you to think by not voting Klebian. You see in black/white, this situation is shades of gray.

What happened to your "I'd like to see both of you lynched" comment to Korlash, which despite you saying, you didn't bother to vote for Klebian, the obviously easier lynch of the two.

Die Scum!

[Eldritch Lord]

I like you Neko, please don't take this game too seriously (not that you are, I just like your sense of humour and don't want you to start).

Still, I've got to make a case:

To make a stronger case in defense of Korlash, though, I would point out that he, if he were the last scum, would probably not have put a dangerous second vote on his partner.

Directly conflicts with:

I believe our last scum bussed kleb and couldn’t come up with an original reason to do so. It would be one of jtdyer, k7, or eldritch. I’m continuing my rereads.

This combined with:

There’s no better time to be doing this. Why on earth are you waiting for somebody to ask you?

Vote: Korlash
- because you are waiting to see how you can most easily float through this game
- because you’re being overly defensive when called out on scummy behavior that is nobody’s fault but your own
- because you’re jumping on the easiest bandwagon without providing any reasoning.

At this point, I am perfectly comfortable with either a klebian lynch or a korlash lynch today. If somebody feels a different wagon is more deserving, now is the time to present a case.

Makes your old case on Korlash sound quite stronger than your most recent post.

Furthermore:

So you are being intentionally useless?

That was directed to Korlash, who you seemed to want to lynch on the "utterly useless even if he is Town" grounds--so obviously you didn't think there was much to his case on Klebian either nor much substantial explanation.

By the same logic you suspect K7, jtdyer, and myself, you should suspect Korlash just as strongly.

[Eldritch Lord]

Oh and welcome Near... perhaps you can hep us catch Light. Hes around here somewhere... >.> I think hes eldritch...

Light Yagami is by far smarter than either L or Near, and Near is a wannabe scrub who couldn't have done anything without Mellow's sacrifice.

I'm tired, I'll post content tomorrow.

[Eldritch Lord]

Yes, I agree with Korlash, Doc claiming at this point would be a terrible idea from my perspective--almost as bad as when Rufus decides to stay aboard his ship as the Emerald Weapon hurdles at him (Korlash asked for some FF discussion). If we lynched wrong out of the 1/4--we'd be in serious trouble.

[Eldritch Lord]

I, too, want more input from other players regarding this doc claim situation--if there's some giant point you're missing that makes this extremely disadvantageous to Town--you'll be on my scumdar for sure. I wouldn't be totally against backing it if someone would crunch the numbers in a clearer manner.

[Eldritch Lord]

Back, been V/LA, forgot to tell my games. I'll be posting ~ 1 day. My apologies, I am however, still here.

[Eldritch Lord]

It seems I will be busier than I originally thought. With my recent V/LA and the reasoning nature of this game (read: Walls of text) I don't believe I will be able to provide this game with the kind of time and dedication it deserves at this point. I apologize for the inconvenience but I must:

Request To Mod: Replace Me, Please.

Thanks for being great players--the game, for the short time I was in it, was enjoyable.

[Eldritch Lord]

Support Request: Deadline Change

[Eldritch Lord]

El is scum and K7 is trying to kill the doctor.

Korlash- No quotes, proof, or reasoning other then that? That is a rather weak case you are pushing and not something worth lynching someone for.

K7, Neko - Could I hear your case against El and my former counter-parts? Quotes and detail would be appreciated.

El - Could I hear your case against any of the players as of now?

I still feel like Neko is scum...

Will post a case tonight/tomorrow. Kind of V/LA for tonight.

[Eldritch Lord]

Note: I can continue to play, but my contributions may be limited, if a replacement can be found, it would be great.