WHAT?!? "Hey, everyone, let's lose us some townies at night before we go on! Since, you know, day one is random, since it's a safe assumption that we don't have day abilities in the town and that we have any power in the town that can provide us with info at night! Yeah, that'll helpegruntz wrote:What the hell is going on? Wonderful way to start off the game, guys!
I, personally, find the first day to be completely useless. It's happened many times: tons of discussion, just to get back where we started, and in the end we all just vote for no lynching.
On the first day, I think it'd be best to not lynch at all. If we just take out a random guess, we could end up hurting ourselves in the process.
I'm not voting for it just yet, to see if any discussion can be born from this; but seriously, stop voting randomly for idiotic reasons.
Quoting my replacee to say thaqt 1)I agree and 2)you have bad grammar.thedragonsprincess wrote:I agree but disagree with what people have been saying. I agree that the random voting stage of the game is ok, but I don't like the idea of a random lynch. By random voting it gets discussion going which helps us dig out people who give scummish vibes by what they've said. is that lynch always scum? no. but at least it isnt a bandwagon lynch based on no information whatsoever.
New=/=exempt from suspicionThe Fonz wrote:Bookitty wrote:Okay, not a joke vote.
unvote; vote egruntz
You may not agree with the random vote phase, but I really dislike your suggestion of a "no-lynch".
Just because you don't derive anything useful doesn't mean others don't or can't, and pushing for a no-lynch on day one (and your stated assumption is that there automatically WILL be one, which also tells me you haven't read many games here, if any) is in my view counterproductive and rather scummy. You're making a lot of assumptions about what will occur, and jumping to a conclusion without enough evidence.
Additionally, you're a killjoy.Unvote, vote: BooKitty
Kitty, you're an experienced enough player. You must have noticed the 'townsperson' underneath his name, right?
Yeah, but we have no guarantee that night will provide us with useful info. Then we're just down another dead body with only slightly greater odds of hitting scum.egruntz wrote:Erhm, exactly my point. If we choose to lynch someone randomly, with the odds of 3-4/18 being mafia, there's a pretty good chance that we'll lynch one of our own people. If we skip the first round and only lose one of the town instead of two, then we can keep the town living longer.boo wrote:Do you think you can get more information from a dead body than from a live one?
All I'm saying is that we shouldn't vote or lynch randomly. It'll most likely effect the town.
Well, obviously you think I'm scum, since you voted for me. If not, then what a poor reason to vote for someone. All that I've said is that it'd be best to skip the lynch for the first day. Surely you shouldn't vote for me, just for stating my opinions?What conclusion do you feel I've rushed to?
That right there shows horrible quality in a mafia player.
If your opinions are scummy it's prefectly valid to vote for you.
<3 PanzerPanzerjager wrote:Look, random voting is an essential part of the game and I'm going to doubt anyone's mafia playing ability who doesn't realize it. It gets discussion going and then someone says something and it gets analyzed and then someone says something else and it get's analyzed. Like now, egruntz said "hey, guys we should no lynch" everyone reacted and now The Fonz said "he is a newbie so don't pay attention" These are two of the more important pieces of evidence right now(in my opinion) and both have happened due to the random voting phase, so quit your bitching, kthnx.
Second, I hate all this random lynch talk. We are not randomly lynching anyone. We are gonna decide via deliberation and democracy, thusly forcing people to make a decision. Discussion is good. Interaction between players mean things; Making it ignorant and irresponible to end day immediately with a random or No lynch. And if it was random, I'd much rather roll an 18 sided dice and lynch the player that's number comes up. That has much more of a chance a causing interaction between players then just saying okay guys, vote no lynch. Besides no lynch can't even defend himself.
Anyway, back to important things,Vote: The fonzYou wrote off a newbie that obviously wasn't even a newbie and then you voted someone for attacking the guy's idea, which was obviously terrible.
P.S Thinking someone is scum is not the only reason to vote for someone, don't be so naive
P.S.S I think Fonz is scum
...Never mind.Panzerjager wrote:You had nothing else to say about that post. I'm not posting content for the rest of the game.
But we have a limited amount of time to do that. May as well get all the data we can now.egruntz wrote:First gather information,thenvote or lay a FOS on someone.
That's how I'd do it.
WIFOM, Xyl.Xylthixlm wrote:Someone is trying too hard to appear protown.liamcool wrote:Erhm, exactly my point. If we choose to lynch someone randomly, with the odds of 3-4/18 being mafia, there's a pretty good chance that we'll lynch one ofour own people. If we skip the first round and only lose one ofthe towninstead of two, then we can keepthe townliving longer.
All I'm saying is that we shouldn't vote or lynch randomly. It'll most likely effectthe town.
Unvote, Vote liamcool
Since I don't feel like quoting everything he says (it's all scummy) I'll just
Yes, after we lynch Fonz.Xylthixlm wrote:DS and Mills, stop fighting each other and vote egruntz.
No, but we should have good ideas on who is scum before then. Hence, wagons.Sangy wrote:And it's better to rush a lynch now?Xylthixlm wrote:We have a fixed deadline and I really don't want to rush a lynch in the last week before it hits.
No. Everyone plays differently, but that doesn't mean that tells based on play style are meaningless. Overall playstyles don't help, but game-by-game, it's a good thing to be suspicious of, if for no other reason than it provides pressure. Pressure is good.thedragonsprincess wrote:sorry for the lack of posting guys but im back now. I still need to do a re-read but in reading this page Im not sure egruntz is scum.... he may just have a different play style then the rest of us. I've had a different playing style then the rest of the players in my previous game and ive had fingers pointed at me too.
Role fishing.liamcool wrote:Idea: Mills = Lyncher?
(just something that came to me just then)
This is scummy. A bit.Mills wrote:Are lynchers even possible in minimally flavoured games?
Mills and Pirate both engage in role fishing. Not good!
Hey,egruntz wrote:FOS: Xylthixlm
No, not because he voted for me, but because he seems he wants to get the day done with, and skip right onto night. It's best to spend your time and gather the proper information before casting a vote, otherwise you could end up screwing your own team greatly. Why rush things when we've limited time, anyway? Why create a bandwagon just for the hell of it?
Not a scummy move, but something that grabbed my attention.
But tomorrow, it'll be 3/17, or worse, and each day only gets us deeper in the hole until we HAVE to lynch scum or lose - a situation known as lylo. Once we reach this point, our odds of knowing who the scum are is the same zero.egruntz wrote:But if we all can't agree on a definite mafia by that time, we'd best be off by not lynching at all, instead of taking our chances when it's, what, 3/18 against us?
Haha, and QFT.Panzerjager wrote:@Egruntz, being a moron is not a playstyle.
But are they just antitown more than they're scum? I think it's more likely idiots will be scum.Xylthixlm wrote:Sufficiently bad idiots can be antitown without being scum.
...Fonz has been getting slightly more protown. This is good.
The cow speaks the truth.hasdgfas wrote:All right then. I have completed my reread and a couple of things jump out at me.
1: egruntz: I'm leaning towards townie at this point. No lynches are a terrible decision, but I think he seriously thinks it's best for the town, even though that may be wrong. He says it's his playstyle, and at this point I believe him. I'll be watching him closely because a playstyle like that throws up a red flag with me even if the rest of his posts look pro-town.
2: DS: This is the entirety of his postingDisciple Slayer wrote:VOTE: OGML
Bandwagon to victory.Disciple Slayer wrote:UNVOTE
VOTE: SNAPS THE PIRATE
Bandwagon to victory.Disciple Slayer wrote:UNVOTE
VOTE: THE FONZ
More bandwagoning. Reasons to be given after Christmas.Disciple Slayer wrote:I did a quick reread, and I'm not happy with how Bookitty jumped on egruntz for mentioning the term "No Lynch". egruntz wasn't really pushing for one, he just mentioned it. It seems like the sort of thing scum would do on day one: push for a mislynch on someone for nothing at all, really. So therefore,
UNVOTE
VOTE: BOOKITTYDisciple Slayer wrote:Thank you, Elias. We need to keep these idiots in line.Disciple Slayer wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present Exhibit A: numbskull at work.
These lesser individuals are quite fond of the word "lol" and have a habit of chaining them one after the other, in capital letters. Excessive use of "lol" is a clear sign of inferior mental capabilities. We really can't do much other than pity the fools.Mills wrote:LOLOLOLOL BURNTBandwagoning, Bandwagoning, Bandwagoning, Bandwagoning by another name, calling Mills an idiot, calling Mills an idiot, defending the fact that all he did was bandwagoning while calling Mills an idiot.Disciple Slayer wrote:@Bookitty: I was just bandwagoning. I thought there was something against The Fonz, but after a reread, there wasn't anything.
Mills has an easy task. All he has to do is stop being a first-class idiot and we will get along fine.
This is unacceptable no matter who you are. You definitely have to take part in this, and shameless bandwagoning and calling someone an idiot as all you do just should not happen. That is how scum play.
vote: Disciple Slayer
Patch15: Where is that taking part in this game that you promised us 3 days ago?
Momentarily I will have my short summary of everyone else in the game.
Just my basic thoughts on them after my re-read.
By far, egruntz is still the scummiest; he's changed his opinion multiple times based entirely off pressure, and has done a good job of disguising it, but he's not done anything protown. He's had one real opinion, a scummy one, and everything else has just been blind following.