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norskboi, he was agreeing with u, talking about the treeckoPlayed inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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1. U already now, buddyIn post 41, midwaybear wrote:RQS Questions
1. Are you scum?
2. What are some of your recent games?
3. What is your favorite role?
2. On my signature, most recent nwb 1999; I dnt think 1997 counts that much
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Good attitude on bears part, albeit a little bit standard
Votato seems to be moving things somewhat, too
(as far as 3 pages r concerned)
Treecko best initial pokemon
Do u feel somwhat threatened norsk? Perhaps ud like some support on that front? Here, take a vote of trust
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Never played scum on a forum game, wouldnt be able to answerIn post 61, Hoctac wrote:well lts see could every one question wehre how good is your scum game?
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Date joined at the siteIn post 78, midwaybear wrote:@stan1ey what mistake? I'm pretty sure they were both trolling in that exchange.
pedit: @hoctac wdym by "he is 2019"
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yeah, trecko has been erratic
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while we r at it, lets try to make communications clean and fluid
the more content we have, the better
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Votatos post was agreeing with him, he mistakenly took it as a post against himIn post 101, midwaybear wrote:
I asked "what mistake" in 78 because I thought they were both trolling. Then I realized that norwee's vote was not based on troll, but I still don't see a mistakeIn post 98, stan1ey wrote:bruh you just replied me about itPlayed inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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Schadd, is it possible for post restrictions on a normal?Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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Wheres the follow up? U threw the stone, but then u wait? How does this change ur view on the player?In post 106, Albert B. Rampage wrote:It is treason then.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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Hey, first normal here
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dnt thread thin; dnt mix nationalities and insults on the same sentence. it goes against the site rules, even as a joke.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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R u refering it aint a bad idea as town or scum?In post 130, popopopopopopo wrote:in a large game like this, picking some VI to quicklynch isn't a bad idea day 1.
As tow, I beg to difer; more players means more scum players, more scum players means a wider ability range on scum play, means a better chance to lynch in a nonrandom manner, wich would be the only strong argument aside from asset evaluation for a quicklynch on a VI; a quicklynch not only denies that, but a VI is also a good target for scum to also lynch and end the day.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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SarcasmIn post 147, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
While we’re on the topic of you mentioning Word321.In post 64, word321 wrote:Perhaps ud like some support on that front? Here, take a vote of trust
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
What is a ‘vote of trust’ supposed to mean?
U r a suceptible player to suspicion, it seems
That means we get more info of ur slot with a vote, cause u react; so, raw pressure is due
That makes the vote worthwile, moreso with the reaction of other players like treecko
But the vote has already outlived its usefulness by now; there is so it dsnt rly matter if I explain it to u
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This is both "gratuitous" and was umprompted; theres no reason to do this as scum, and constitutes my first somewhat serious tl.In post 162, midwaybear wrote:yeah sure
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I like how this affected the game too, but I wouldnt go as far as stating it is a tl yet. I do want to see how this situation develops.
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I think I lost track of the votes by now.
At least we got outside lylo.
A lot of new faces. R yall trying to apparent activity with this?
At least this isIn post 191, Madonna wrote:Only hit page 6 as of now, lamest thing I have seen thus far is the question @mod about post restriction roles being a thing. If they exist in a normal game, are they alignment indicative? Doubtful, unless you want to go way off base and assume out of several post restriction roles, some are town, some are scum, and that is now your voting pool. Like, that is wild.somehingI can talk about. This is by far an overstretch. There were questions about it; in fact,if any of u know about it, pls anser the question, cause I still dnt know the answer. It had NOTHING to do with trecko, or almost nothing; it was a question about the format.
Ive alredy stated this is my first normal game; this feels forced, and is on the "golden range"; the wagon is being formed, and u r in a confortable position of not having initated it nor being in a position of being a decisive vote for the lynch.
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Ya r all getting on my nerve. So let me address ur whole "case" on me, as seen from any players perspective upon reading othger ppl:
-1st: Gut readings/indetermined reason (159, 160, 163, 192)
-2nd: Sheeping (163, 186) (The distintion can be quite blurry)
-3rd: Meta (176, 231)
-4th: Specific commentaries: (191)
-5th: Tone read (218)
Of course, the actual reason to passing such a judgement may be a mix and match of the above, but that is what we can objectively observe.
From these, the 1st is hard/impossible to address, to some extent. Go to the 3rd for something.
The second directly lacks content, and should simply be pointed out.
The third IS valid; farsides post, for example, was actually correct to some extent. Traditionally Ive introduced myself on the 3 games Ive played with my UTC (wich now is in my signature, if u havent noticed) and saying Im southamerican. This, again, is a fair observation; I havent actually introduced myself here, and my tone aint as friendly as, lets say, 1997, wich is probably what she read.
Here r some points to be taken into account for:
1. This is not a newbie game; comparatively speaking, Im probably the least experienced player here. No reason to actually try hard to help anyone on that regard.
2. No one never bothered to actually spontaneously introduce themselves until now; henceforth I dnt bother either, at least in a large with so many players, specially considering there was already enough activity when I posted (to 9-player standards).
And about the "nice/helpful player" style, I somewhat dropped it in favor of a more aggro style; an ISO at ANY point of 1999 can show that, specially cause I arrived there after experiencing 1997, particularly awful on my playstyle.
And about treckos comment, I can only speculate on what he actually read, and how. My bet is he is basing it on my response to previous wagons: "would he act like he is now?"
So, since u r metaing me, Ill point some illustrative events on previous games to illuminate on how I actually see the game (I know this is kind of biased, but hey, accusations on the past, ansers on the past; see by urself and judge it to ur liking):
1.On my style/tone:
1. On my approach to pushes:
--My push on flame, wich is as early as 6 days ago, on newbie 1999; it began on Post 536 and "ended" on 560. It is similar to my push on NorwegianBoy on this game 64; first the push, then an explanation on it, directly to both the person involved and the rest of the playerbase.
--My push on Sea Urchin on the same game, from 65 to 80 also follow the same format stated above.
The reason for such an aproach, specially for an explanation in the end, is simple; it lands the conception of ur observations on town, and helps the player himself improve on that bit, observe that bit, or feel threatened by that bit. More on NorwegianBoy in particular at the end of the post.
2. On my view of the game/reaction to my wagon:
--Reaction to lookers push on Newbie 1999 on Post 47.
--Reaction to Kyoukos push on Newbie 1999 on Post 198 and Post 234
--Reaction to Maras push on Newbie 1992 on Post 1460
--View on the game on GWs wagon, newbie 1992 on Post 1055
--In general, 1999 is a good game to see how I valuate info, how I see interactions by themselves, and the way I trat votes, specially on the first part of Post 280 (if u omit the second part, wich was a blunder)
In general, I try to point out specific arguments done against my person, and try to discern the mentality of other ppl through that where there is content to work with (wich is te case of this post, if u havent noticed); that was the case with kyoukos and maras push on the above posts; But that is when the push may be actually harmful or have some actual content in them; lookers reaction is more akin to an "empty" wagon (wich is this, for the most part, except the issues directly addressed). Also, the post on GW actually shows more my mentality on the matter of the possibility of being killed; we play to maximize possibilities of town winning, it has nothing to do with surviving to see it through. That is rly overvaluated. Hence, on a wagon, it is more important to weighting the players in it with their actions and the arguyments transactioned rather that "just" defending; it can be an opportunity for everyone, me being the target or not. For instance, this has been the most informative event so far in the game, and this is just the first day!
The 4th point was already addressed at some point; this was at first the only thing I could actually answer.
The 5th was addresed with the 3rd point. Yes; this wagon is good in a sense. No; Im not changing my mind. No; its not lamist to either think or point that.
Overall, Objectively speking not even 80% of the voters actually account for their vote. Notably, farside HAS been consistent with her suspiciousness; she has metadived for answers, and that makes me have a tl on her. Its not a conftown of course, cause she actually playing the game being comparatively better to the rest dsnt actually warrant her alignment, but her actions by themselves r actually more towny than scum in nature.
Trecko can or cannot fall on that cathegory depending on his motives for suspiciousness, and I would like if he pointed that out.
Ive already said what I had to said about both madonna and bear.
And about u, NorwegianBoy, if I had to place my chips somewhere, Id say ur simply a town in a deadtunnel. Dnt take it the wrong way, pal; but its easily observable when u go as far as ignoring the potential menace of other player, or adding "imaginary" value to the opinion of a player with 0 content; u find it "plausible" only cause it agrees with u, when objectively speaking there is nothing; nothing new, nothing actually related for the reasons he thinks that way, only raw speculation that u r filling. Thats some kind of bias that comes easier when one dsnt have access to priviledged information. I simply think u r persecuted; the most harmed person for that kind of attitude is u, bear that in mind.
And towards the rest of the spontaneous generation band, it varies form case to case; 7po actions, for example, can lead ppl to taking account of their actions, and he was willing to do the same after that, wich is good; he also have some content of sorts. But we cannot let ppl who actually lurk to do so freely, and it impress me no one has as much as directed their questions towards any of the multiple players who simply r there; sure, this is day 1, so it is not as certain; but being "simply there" shouldnt be a viable choice.
And there u go, a case out of thin air. So go ahead NorwegianBoy, and tell me:What r the so many called motives u see for such a big wagon to remain without the need to question the judgement or the intention of the integrants?
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About Madona:In post 240, farside22 wrote:Just a few more questions word.
Why was madona's vote the one that set you off? Have you ever seen a wagon just form with little reason's before in any of your games?
I'm going to touch a little about what I caught that bugged me.
In post 172, word321 wrote:
In post 162, midwaybear wrote:
yeah sure
however, I am a bit cautious. I don't really see anything too out of the blue with word's current posts compared to his standard town meta
This is both "gratuitous" and was umprompted; theres no reason to do this as scum, and constitutes my first somewhat serious tl.
It's not something I have seen you really say in your other games. It does read very forced as far as commentary goes.
There was a little misunderstanding on my part, it seems; the first time Ive read his comment on 191, I read it as "Lamest thing ive seen so far (in my life, as in an hyperbole)", but upon rereading it I see he meant "Lamest thing Ive seen so far (as in up to the current state of the game)". The first had a more alarmist nature; regardless of the above, I found particularly weak and forced on either case, as I was only confirming an info. What would I supposedly achieve with that? Specially if said info resulted in being false, wich he seems to have known beforehand.
And as for why that and not something else, it was scummy by its own right and was palpable, and felt particularly out at the time.
Regarding other similar wagons:
2 early wagons pop up in my mind. The first was the wagon on Mochi on 1999, a L-1 wagon on a 1-commentary player in a game with a rate of development of 1post/6hours; it easily crumbled afterwards and lead to the first real developments of the game.
The second was the wagon on me/clidd on 1997. This was heavily aided by outside influences of the game, as I had been force-replaced. It was almost entirely a tvt, and devolved in a fullblown stampede deadtunel wich would later shown to be on a jailor, and would monopolize the state of the game afterwards, even after D1. In this case, I havent practically participated in this, mind u; the full extent of it was on Clidd, my replacement of the game. I bet Votato still has PTSD on this, as he was one of the main proponents of the wagon.
The above was one of the main reasons for the wall post, specifically target to norwee (albeit to everyone else too, of course), cause I felt his tone similar to players there. But it seems he is right when he says Im just wasting my time on him.
Regarding midwaybear:
He had access to priviledged info; he knew without metadiving what had happened on 1997. He shared it when he could have withholded the info. Not only that; he was scum on 1997, and he was kind of complacent and somewhat distant on the whole wagon on clidd, so there is a starking contrast there (albeit I was just superficially following the game since my replacement). This by itself aint enough, again, to be conftown, but as far as a townlean goes, it is certainly one, to be remarked among other players.
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TRECKO MY BOY WHAT HAVE U DONE!In post 278, Hoctac wrote:oh
How can I call u trecko now?
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He was addressing my inquiry on my wallpost, thats why it begins with "word, "In post 257, midwaybear wrote:this is contradictoryPlayed inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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Why dnt u like this? Whats ur take on Trecko?In post 246, gobbledygook wrote:
I don’t like thisIn post 231, Hoctac wrote:actually after checking some meta the word wagon is fine
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Thanks for that. I do agree with trecko being somewhat volatile there; but it is not in Trecko im interested in.In post 297, midwaybear wrote:His meta defense made no sense. He said that he found you to be natural in your past games, but then said that you were less natural in this game. First of all, most people found you to be more formal in your posting style not natural. Second, if you are playing different from your meta, how can he like your defense?
Gobbled have 2 posts, and we need some commitment on his part: specially cause one of them was a high impact post, the fake mason claim.
Ive seen this executed both by actual masons and by scum, not only town; it is deceptive in nature, but in this case the wifom can mostly be directed to scum, as long as it remains uncontested, if town motivated.
But here is the thing; every time I see it executed it actually serves more of a fish to players; questioning players become instantly suspicious, and causing a lot of bickering in the process. And most of the time (and for obvious reasons, 99% when executed by scum), it contributes to tvt.
That doesnt make doubting of the claim any less suspicious, nor the possibility of gob being scum is that high, cause he doesnt have anything else; so ascertaining his position on this matter is essential to understanding the whole thing. We need more gob, not only farside and bob.
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Their case is simply bad, ur case was nonexistant :^)In post 366, Aloratom wrote:If word said that madonna's vote is easily the weakest vote on his wagon, that's scummy in itself because my vote was as weak if not weaker. As such, I'm okay with leaving it on word.
U came and voted for the votes sake, while they came and voted in an alarmist way. Votes by emselves r not particularly bad D1, and being inactive early on may be bad, but not as scummy as adding wood to the fire.
(actively inactive while we r at it; no one is 24 hr next to the pc, but when they r and they say nothing, itsbadindee.)
On the other hand, the iso on Madonna is bad; 217, 337 and 341 in particular were kind of off with each other on the manatee thing, specifically.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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Treckos evolution is quite interesting; from joining the wagon from immediatly quitting from bears observation, questioning the wagon multipe times and joining the wagon again after metadiving himself.In post 351, farside22 wrote:It's really weird how he is fine that someone was wrong about his meta and pushes it aside like it is nothing.
Word: Why is a player scummy for fake claiming mason to you? What advantage does gob have for the claim when you are lynched and the leading wagon day 1?
From what I get, he is a somewhat volatile player, from the development above. It does contrast with his recent fixation on Mantee.
But from the antecedents on both Norwee and my pushes, he seems to have given some values on tonereading on those occasions; Norwee was townread for that reason, while I was both townread and scumread from its derivatives.
On the other hand, the push on Manatee was made on a "solid" lead. There is also the component that the lead was digged out by trecko himself, wich would make it more valid on his eyes (he cant decept himself, can he?), so it may be the reason manatee stucked out, and may justify why he was asking for a case on me. From his other reads, I can only guess he toneread Albert and Leadread Madonna.
So overall, I can understand his game; about the meta, well, again I can only speculate, but it is still plausible, for the sheer difference of ppl btw games. Ppl can make meta mistakes, and I am having a hard time with the sheer amount of players to revise and keep tracks upon, wich might translate in a less fluid style.
And on the gob/bob/farside affair:
From what I see from Bob, and what I saw on that interaction, he has played a pretty standard game, asking ppl actually good questions and all that, and his push on u, while its true it was aggresive, I wouldnt mark directly scummy. I didnt rly liked his tone, but that by itself aint a big of an indicative; it does serve as an antecedent, so he is nullish for now. On ur front, farside, I dnt think ur reaction was the greatest to tell the truth; his questions without good answer EXACTLY bc there is no reason whatsovere to question a claim, no matter wheter its true or fake. There r rly more motivations to do this as scum than as town. But alas, Ive seen too many ppl fall for that before; u being a supposedly good player is what worries me about it.
And on Gob, gob was contingent at the time and needed more attention. Ive already said before, but usually fake claims r made mostly by town (like u pointed out), but can be executed by scum, and he had no antecedents; he is still null all the way. So it can be fairly illustrative to have a grasp on his playstyle.
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No, only info in the game so far
Have u played with trecko before?Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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Reasoning, consistency of mantality and ultimate benefits of an action as either alignmentIn post 384, Aloratom wrote:I mean, what is this saying? If votes aren't the wood, what is? I don't get it.
And who is trecko?
U, for example, just used ur vote with an investigative purpose (wich may or may not have been originally motivated as such); such an action can come from either alignment, but is plausible and compatible with town
Unless Madonnas action was also some sort of test reaction, it affected the game in a scum favoring way, not bc of my inherent alignment, but bc it doesnt decentrly contribute to the reasoning on the case in a reasonable way, and is plausible with a hidden agenda behind it
Doubting aint bad, the thingis the way the doubt manifests, its naturality and how it affects the game.
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Ok. Ive had enough time to study the case against Bob.
From the games posted, we shouldnt rly consider the one from april 2019 and july 2019 (he had just gotten into the site; it would be weird for his tone to not rly change).
Team Mafia 2020 had essentially different rules from this one, so it makes sense to play for em, and lacks confidence to be relevant in that way.
The 2 most relevants are, as yall have already commented upon, Mini Normal 2106, and Mini Normal 2122. I dnt think there is enough confidence from neither of the 2 to say he played a radically different style from neither. I felt a somewhat more commented questions on 2106 than 2122 (scum vs town), but that doesnt apply here; the "kind of" aggresisive push on farside remains the only contrast on that regard.
I dnt think that posting so many games taking into account the above would be helpful in that regard; its a kind of gallop in some sense. But Im not exactly good with reading other ppls meta outside games, and neither practice it frequently, so I dnt know if the other games may have some value by emselves.
What I do find kind of scummy is bobs defense, to a point. From what I understood, currently believes that, under his perception, farside "overflowed" the scumrange; ok, maybe he rly thinks that. But the other interesting thing is that he is acting the "trapmaster" here, with plenty commentaries with ulterior motives, to cause reactions. As far as I saw, that is a starking difference to the above games, at least in the earlysh phase. Not that that by itself cant be done by town; but it is a contrast nonetheless.Now he looks more like a Vetinari.
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gob, u just did AGAIN a low profile high impact post on 675. If no one noticed, of course.
So, this is becoming more useful:
VOTE: Bob
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It would probably have been easier if neither u nor norwee voted twice, wich underflowed the votes on the wagon upon readjustment, dnt u agree?In post 718, stan1ey wrote:VOTE: nahdia
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AHHh
So many things
I will be short this time:
1. I think we can trust 7pos judgement on this.
2. The point of searching other ppl is good. The point of not lynching the most likely scum instead is shitty, at best.
3. Im kind of doubting farside, for the whole bob thing; Ive already pointed out my concerns there. I also think Gob has been given a free license on all of this, and would go there on a green Nahdia (wich is just another motive to lynch her). I am willing to compromise on a NDMath, cause his ISO is just that bad.
4. Im pretty sure Norsk boi is just town, and midway has acted strange; I dnt know what r the odds of acting strange as either scum nor town on his case, though. It needs attention.
5. We want, no, we NEED a votecount.
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For a post about me u sure talk a lot about Nahdia and midway, dnt u think?In post 965, Madonna wrote:
The pushes for Nahdia and midwaybear dominate now, and support for a word321 wagon is lacking. You can be the change you want to see happen. But if you need me to lead you, alright.In post 956, farside22 wrote:
Well lets see madonna made a case on word but didn't vote there, which I found odd. She didn't say much about nahdia.In post 953, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't have the ingredients I need to scumhunt because everyone in this game has been so gung ho on bob and nahdia. I try to build some bandwagons to look back on in the future and what do I get? People posting in all caps and shutting down discussion. I'm not just thinking about today's lynch, I'm thinking about the rest of the game.
I think NDmath is scum based on his unvote and not even questioning the claim by nadhia. He is following others and actively lurking.
Those not pushing nahdia have caught my attention a bit more then those pushing. Then you have the copycats like stanly and gobble.
Those are my notes thus far.
VOTE: word321
On the surface, Nahdia is a great lynch. The quickhammer yesterday was bad, but unless you are tracking the vote count religiously, it was actually hard to follow (and my initial reason for not voting immediately upon joining the game), and no one helpfully claimed L-1. Her claim today is bad in both role and target in a questionable way. It is useless in a scum capacity, and her admitting to targeting the nightkill is a shot against her. If Nahdia's scum, what does she get out of one more day by bussing midwaybear that is a good scum move? She loses her buddy, then she loses herself. That is two of our lynches well-spent on scum (a big loss for them), versus her one death today and a more ambiguous future for midwaybear because town is a fickle beast (one versus two, better). A good lynch, but maybe we can do better.
I wanted to like anything about midwaybear's gameplay, so I took a better look, and I found out two things: I hate it, and not all of it is bad. There are few words for caution, suggestions that we take it slow, and a willingness to question assertions; these are things I normally like. On the other hand, all of that is tangled deep between so much sheeping and a lack of defense for the mindset behind it all that it hurts. I wanted to find a reasonable defense here to help make my word321 case feel better, but honestly I cannot. I have been trying to post with more courtesy, so this is all I got: this player needs experience, as town or scum. Lynchable as all get out.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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For a post about me u sure talk a lot about Nahdia and midway, dnt u think?In post 965, Madonna wrote:
The pushes for Nahdia and midwaybear dominate now, and support for a word321 wagon is lacking. You can be the change you want to see happen. But if you need me to lead you, alright.In post 956, farside22 wrote:
Well lets see madonna made a case on word but didn't vote there, which I found odd. She didn't say much about nahdia.In post 953, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't have the ingredients I need to scumhunt because everyone in this game has been so gung ho on bob and nahdia. I try to build some bandwagons to look back on in the future and what do I get? People posting in all caps and shutting down discussion. I'm not just thinking about today's lynch, I'm thinking about the rest of the game.
I think NDmath is scum based on his unvote and not even questioning the claim by nadhia. He is following others and actively lurking.
Those not pushing nahdia have caught my attention a bit more then those pushing. Then you have the copycats like stanly and gobble.
Those are my notes thus far.
VOTE: word321
On the surface, Nahdia is a great lynch. The quickhammer yesterday was bad, but unless you are tracking the vote count religiously, it was actually hard to follow (and my initial reason for not voting immediately upon joining the game), and no one helpfully claimed L-1. Her claim today is bad in both role and target in a questionable way. It is useless in a scum capacity, and her admitting to targeting the nightkill is a shot against her. If Nahdia's scum, what does she get out of one more day by bussing midwaybear that is a good scum move? She loses her buddy, then she loses herself. That is two of our lynches well-spent on scum (a big loss for them), versus her one death today and a more ambiguous future for midwaybear because town is a fickle beast (one versus two, better). A good lynch, but maybe we can do better.
I wanted to like anything about midwaybear's gameplay, so I took a better look, and I found out two things: I hate it, and not all of it is bad. There are few words for caution, suggestions that we take it slow, and a willingness to question assertions; these are things I normally like. On the other hand, all of that is tangled deep between so much sheeping and a lack of defense for the mindset behind it all that it hurts. I wanted to find a reasonable defense here to help make my word321 case feel better, but honestly I cannot. I have been trying to post with more courtesy, so this is all I got: this player needs experience, as town or scum. Lynchable as all get out.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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oh, hte internet
Either way, Im fine going unto the unexplored:
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Im tired of defending myself, bear. Evidence is in the thread. If despite anything yall just call me scum, just do so; if u have REAL questions, ask them; but lets just drop the read x/read y and do somehing productive already.
Town has been bickering for like 5 pages on. Or scum, dnt know, dnt care. Its antitown either way. Nahdia is obv the best course.
I want light on players I havent seen. I know Norwee, farside, have aquired some insight on albert, madonna is here, nahdia, u, etc; but who de heck is NDMath? Who the heck is Gob?
We already got our lynch for the day, so lets just do somethin productive.
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Dnt like his iso. I agree with farside. Also dnt like the bear/nahdia transition, added with the early tr on nahdia. All that can be even understandable, but that is adding info. I want his take.In post 972, votato wrote:
where does this vote come from?In post 969, word321 wrote:oh, hte internet
Either way, Im fine going unto the unexplored:
VOTE: NDMath
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Just looked into this. R u impliying im defending farside? Of all things?In post 971, midwaybear wrote:Bruh it seems like you are chainsaw defending.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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More like what there isnt. Do u see anything besides nominal reads?In post 975, votato wrote:whats bad in the iso?
He mostly says "those ppl r town"; "those ppl r scum"; at most "I like x post".
But most of his posts (sometimes just votes) r like his last one, "Farside is setting off multiple alarm bells for me". Why? What r the reasons for ur statements?
Why do u read bear?
It feels he only adds to wagons without explicitely contributing to the purpose of one (that is, exploration or lynchcasing). But I wouldnt know. Again, I want a real take this time.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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Ok. So:
-Norwee
Spoiler:
-7Po
Spoiler:
-Madonna
Spoiler:
-Gob
Spoiler:
-Albert
Spoiler:
-Votato
Spoiler:
-Midwaybear
Spoiler:
-Aloratom
Spoiler:
-Stan1ey
Spoiler:
-NDMath
Spoiler:
-Farside
Spoiler:
-Nahdia
Spoiler:
Im rly, rly, RLY late for my classes, this is a busy week, and I must go, those r my official reads; I think it was necessary, but I cant rly develop an aftermatch of relations btw players other than those explicitely stated; it took time to write my mind and to explore and fill the missing slabs here and there.
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owIn post 1025, farside22 wrote:And i didn't know i was a headache.
its a headache induced by being better than me in a lot of aspects of mafia, and the constant readjustments i must make on otherwise towny things based on that to understand the game
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theres too few to develop on, as in ur slotIn post 1214, Aloratom wrote:
VOTE: wordIn post 1064, Aloratom wrote:
Pointless?In post 1005, word321 wrote:His 871 Ive found kind of pointless, buts that not exactly indicative (unless Nahdia flips green, but even then, its still too few). I cant rly develop this further.
and with pointless, i meant im pretty sure we rnt allowed to quote pms (or any sensible info, etc), and i dnt know how strict it is regarding translitations
even if it wasnt the case, the fact we cant directly quote can induce instead paraphgrases (i dnt rly know if this is the correct word in english, its what google said)
so it wasnt a point in that regard (only in an hypothesis of adding fuel to the fire, wich clearly was not the case)
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actually, it effectively was the case she was a voyeur, so it rly ended up being the case (only for the wrong side)Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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pal, u need to update this like rnIn post 983, NDMath wrote:Albert
votato, word321
aloratom, popo
stan1ey, Nahdia*
norwee, midway, gobble
Madonna, farside22
*Ignoring claim.
The only actually scummy thing nahdia has done is quickhammer, and there were multiple people there several minutes later who didn't realize it was a hammer. The claim has a chance of being confirmed or confirming someone else is another reason I want to leave them alive longer.
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i mean, from my pov there was progress; there was a wagon on ur slot, u began talkin more...Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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paraphrases*In post 1228, word321 wrote:paraphgrasePlayed inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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well, ill wait for player reactions
tomorrow ill keep checking
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norwee fucked up big time
dnt worry, norwee; i fcked up in worse situations
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overall, i think alberts justification fitstoowell
he couldnt have gone to nahdia on d1, cause he is even; he went to stanley, a person he had shown suspiciousness upon; and he preserved nahdia, but with knowledge he could have confirmed or detracted her role information that same night.
so overall, i think its at a point where its hard to pull off that one in such a gratuitous way, considering he wasnt in real danger.
the info hypothesis maybe was an overread, but its not like its implausible.
on the other side, stanley "got pulled" into the situation, and claimed a role thats insanely useful for scum, and would have rejected an info gathering on nahdia; so as scum he is either claiming another role wich would add to the info hypothesis on that sense, or he is not scum (a roleblockerwould be more useful to gather a claim on norwee, but a rolestopper can gather claims indirectly by everyone who actually tried to target norwee; since he himself targeted norwee, that means he think he is an obvtown, wich adds to the hypothesis of hunting defensive roles). Im kind of on the fece on the plausability of a roleblocker; a roleblocker, balance dictates, must have other defensive roles with blocking capabilities, cause if that was not the case, a defensive chain of unkillable confirmed towns would be able to form upon revealing one of them. so it fits an alien.
ultimately, upon loss evaluation, I think the cop is more important (albeit this point is moot with the lack of another protection role), cause i think the roleblocker is more "killable" from the above (and the presence of another defensive role may indicate the ausence of other ones). of course, its hard to think of the cop surviving; but if there is an odd protection role, it can bait a kill, and if is something like a doc, he can still perform his work one last time.
Overall, its such a bad idea as scum to do, that id go with a town albert scum stanley. we have at least one scum, and this situation also inclines to the one who initiated things.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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allegedly under the hypothesis, if that was not clear; the important think is the mentalityIn post 1402, word321 wrote:since he himself targetedPlayed inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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wait, circulat hought:
why would he hunt defensive roles with an event alien dead?
but then, claiming one as scum would mean he still think its possible
but then it is more probable as town; but that still means he think its possible
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main guidelines(as in gut):
-alberts claim is an horrible idea with so many players if he is scum; stanley got pulled into this; so overall that inclines to albert
main guidelines (claim evaluation):
-alberts claim fits urs; it also perfectly fits everything up to that point on his game, so we would need to think he manages to pull such a claim, on an uncalled situation, and fitting everythin perfectly
-on the other hand, stanleys claim fits the alien, cause rolestoppers cant have a doctor or something to do a healing chain and be "immortal townies"; on the other hand, it goes to an excess of defensive roles. the role is good material for baits, though, cause if ppl got blocked trying to heal the at most apparently under his perception most townread player at the time, they could claim; but theres a hole on that hypothesis (see above)
-upon loss evaluation, it is more convenient to town to have a cop if there is an odd defensive role, cause it can bait kills, and there r less probabilities of having a healer if we have a rolestopper (those would be 3 defensive roles)
overall, things fit better with an albert actually being honest, and r more convenient overall.
i do want to hear full perceptions of the game from both slots.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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Theres something thats been bothering for a while.
U seem to have played with albert before; and i can even buy u thinking some characteristic like that from his meta.
But why did he claim now as scum? im having a hard time weighting this with that.
The whole point is that this would be rly bad play at the stage the game is at.
I have theorized before of a stanley/farside; but if we lynch albert and he flips a cop this would be such an obvious bad play it would be hard not to see whats coming next. It would be a festivity of bad plays at this point. So im willing to hear ur explanation on that, as to why u weight more that particular argument of the game and why u think its not unusual to claim now.Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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just notices i worded terribly wrong almost every post i made on the last 3 days or so
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Believable or not, I havent seen once a investigative role survive to tell a single result beforeIn post 1419, farside22 wrote:Now lets me ask a question back word or to anyone.
Have you ever seen a cop with a guilty on a player unvote before?
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MAN, WHY R WE TALKIN LIKE THISPlayed inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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word321 Mafia Scum
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but rly, explain urselfPlayed inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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word321 Mafia Scum
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im here
i would have lynched stanley myself had norway not done it
i rly feel like this is outside my usual mafia scope until nowPlayed inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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word321 Mafia Scum
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we have a vt on alarotam
a universal backup->even night alien on votato
a tracker on norway
probably an odd night vig
an even night alien on bob
a rolestopper on stanley
a conf vt on manatee, hoctac, gob and farside
on the scum, we have 2 multitasking voyeurs on nahdia and albert
is that everything until now?Played inNewbie 1992,Newbie 1997,Newbie 1999,Large Normal 227,Newbie 2006,Open 784,Open 787,Newbie 2019, Open 790, Newbie 2022.
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