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Hello all
This is my catchup *done during the night*
It will be posted in a series of posts (would be damn too long to do it all in one post)
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Hello again to the people I know, and nice to meet you to those I don't
Now to those I don't know: I am a very transparent player. Like the most transparent player on the whole site, if I may so myself. Now as different people may have various translations of the term, it may take you some vivid training to get the virtual type of transparency I'm referring to.
To those who already know me... let's talk about the weather. Like, how's it going in Vermont?
Introductions aside; Titus being Town solves like 30% of my problems already, and you guys having lynched scum on D1 should take care of another 20% or so.
You hould've thought before you spoke, bro.fwogcarf wrote:hot take the scum are the users who have numbers in their name
VOTE: Wake88
Do they have fricking laser beams attached to their heads?fwogcarf wrote:help its been six hours and im still trapped in a cage full of sharks
And by the end of page 1 I've decided -after careful consideration and lengthy debates with my beloved friends JJD & Ap (see my signature)- to town!bin Umlautfor no good reason at all.
Note: Before you exclaim or object, my advice is to reread my signature carefully. Judge Joseph Dredd agreed to this, and his word isLAW
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gobbledygook wrote:@Mod: AP sends his regards and says he loves your modding already.
This is a scum claim. I dunno how or why, but as Drew-Sta flipped red then I must be right.Drew-Sta wrote:I’ve been waiting to do this since the game thread was announced as banana’s.
And how are you going to tell it's T v T when you just said your reads are weak at the start of the game?Titus wrote: My goal here is to stop T v Ts and create the best environment to have you guys carry us across the finish line.
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Titus wrote: The Moonlogic QueenSpoiler:
I would have town!binned Titus too for 63 except she's already mod-confirmed, so it looks like the Turkey already got her attetion before I even had a chance, and now I have to plsy the jealous and mean type. After all, everygoodgame needs to have an antagonist who is revealed -towards the end- to not be the villain. Here goes:
I am leaning towards the secind T v T rather than the first one. Call it a hunch.Titus wrote:It could be T v T, T v S or T v T.
End of page 3 and Black Cat joins the town!block, while Nahdia (now Dr Easy Bake) is a town lean. (I will also continue to TR DEB all through the game for outside-of-game reasons, namely his entertaining setup design)
OTOH, everytime I read a post by fwogcarf I want to scream "SCUM!", but then I'm not a "gut" oriented player, so I'm going to shut up about it for the time being. I just wanted it to be out there.
P-edit: Did I really type Black CAT?? I obviously meant Black RANGER, but I'm not editing it out, as it serves to clear me in case BR flips red at any point. Y'know.. "A50 couldn't have forgotten his p's username when ethey had all night to talk in the scum PT". (See how VERY TRANSPARENT I am?)
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EoP 4 and fwogcarf is still scum for 98. To put it bluntly; this is blatant exploitation of a T v T quarrel, and -een then- it's not a mere hum, but rather a shade on both sides.
Hi. I am wakebob3141 wrote:Be funny if i ever find a posts with 88 typos. Be funny to see what they would typo out88. Oops! I mean I am A50. (You're welcome. Dead Cops deserve a laugh every now and then too.)
Also Nahdia's definitely Town. This game is easy (well, easy to scum hunt for the main team at least. If there's a SK -as was indicated by the two NKs on N1- then I am at a loss of who that might be, but still those I called TOWN already are not it.)
Note to self: Try skimming/skipping flipped PRs bickering for a faster catch up.
Depending on fwogcarf's alignment I may move SirCakes to the town!bin (as of page 6). Also Dre-Sta voting Umlaut at this precise time makes me think they're probably not scum together (Note that I did not call Umlaut Town here. Read above if necessary)
@Mod: Posting images of bananas in every VC is bordering in harassment. Speak up, Turkey. Do you have something against monkeys?
Similar to SC, Nor is not on the same team with fwogcarf (can we have a stabdard abbreviation for that name?). This is from 221 as I don't see Nor mixing his own partner with Fenraiser (who did not have a single vote at him at the time).
And now I'll take a short recession/break and be back at the top of page 10
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Jeez! A bloody slash missing and the post is @$#@!#
Here's the intended format:
EoP 4 and fwogcarf is still scum for 98. To put it bluntly; this is blatant exploitation of a T v T quarrel, and -een then- it's not a mere hum, but rather a shade on both sides.
Hi. I am wakebob3141 wrote:Be funny if i ever find a posts with 88 typos. Be funny to see what they would typo out88. Oops! I mean I am A50. (You're welcome. Dead Cops deserve a laugh every now and then too.)
Also Nahdia's definitely Town. This game is easy (well, easy to scum hunt for the main team at least. If there's a SK -as was indicated by the two NKs on N1- then I am at a loss of who that might be, but still those I called TOWN already are not it.)
Note to self: Try skimming/skipping flipped PRs bickering for a faster catch up.
Depending on fwogcarf's alignment I may move SirCakes to the town!bin (as of page 6). Also Dre-Sta voting Umlaut at this precise time makes me think they're probably not scum together (Note that I did not call Umlaut Town here. Read above if necessary)
@Mod: Posting images of bananas in every VC is bordering in harassment. Speak up, Turkey. Do you have something against monkeys?
Similar to SC, Nor is not on the same team with fwogcarf (can we have a stabdard abbreviation for that name?). This is from 221 as I don't see Nor mixing his own partner with Fenraiser (who did not have a single vote at him at the time).
And now I'll take a short recession/break and be back at the top of page 10
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OK. Back. And the first post that's worth commenting on is 273 and -again- it's "carf" willing to give "someone" a pass for the day. It's unclear to me whether he meant Drew or Lucky though, as he was quoting Bob's post directed at Drew about Lucky. Elaboration would be much appreciated.
(Putting this up as an isokated post on it's own so it can be easily seen and responded for)
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Next up os his vote on Nahdia (284) and it's now looking like carf is struggling to find someone to vote for. It doesn't feel like "town confusion" as he is not actually engaging with his vote targets to try and get a better read. He's hust throwing his vote around.
On page 16, CLAP's vote on SC is nad, but the justification is even worse. I mean this was the VC (I edited out those who hd no votes on them):
And my mind has travelled the universe and back trying to figure out what that was supposed to mean. Like it was 3 days to deadline so you're trying to consolidate, so you add a third vote on the counterwagon to that on your TR and mot a seconf vote on the person you calim you want to lynch? It's not like 2, 3 or even 4 votes are a serious wagopn at that point anyway, but why not push for your original/main SR instead since surpassing 3 votes on your TR is very much achievable if you had any case at all?gobbledygook wrote:
And here is the post he voted in:
CantLynchAPuppy wrote:Three days to go and the wagon development feels really slow. Gotta zoom!
VOTE: SirCakez
Just because I have this slot as null and he seems like the biggest comparison to fwog, who I have as null/town
Then the lst line sounds like absolving oneself from the ramification of the flip, because he didn't really have a SR there, it was just a NULL read. And he's not even sure carf is town, so it's not really an "I would rather this over that because we've got no timw and hammer is imminent" kind of thing. It's just an "I have a weak TR in this and have no read on that, and while I have a SR on a third person and there's no danger of a rushed wagon on any of them at the moment I will choose to place my vote on the Null read rather than the Scum read with 3 days left to deadline".
Then at the top of page 17 Titus suggests a 3-players pool to lynch fromthat includes SCwhom he had just voted, and he exclaims why????
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@Titus: Can you explain why you TR carf without the use if the word "feels"?? Please and thank you.
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429 is actually surprising me. Let me see if carf does commit to his SR on Drew.
And here comes the first vote on the Drew wagon and -once again- Black Ranger is town here.
Titus wrote:Ok Drew might be town here.
You don't need to explain the TR on carf if you don't want to. I'm just going to let you do your thing while I do mine.
So. The pass was meant for Drew and not LL slot?fwogcarf wrote:
I wouldn't jump to a townread just yet but he gets a passIn post 477, Titus wrote:Ok Drew might be town here.
Nor is playing care-free, which I think is town indicative of him. I'd take this with a frain of salt though as he is good as scum too.
Important: I am skimming hard on some pages, so if it looks like I've missed something important please feel free to point it out to me.
I seem to recall Umlaut doing that earlier. Is this some sort of a secret club/society greeting or something? Are you two scum together???NorwegianboyEE wrote:*twirls moustache*
By now I think Nor/Manatee/carf/Umlaut/LL are my suspects (broad lynch pool) but I'm more interested in flipping Manatee/LL today.
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Oh, shit. On page 23 and BR switched vote. Understandable as the Drew wagon didn't take off and it was only him there, but now I can't wait to see how the day ended with a Drew lynch.
And then he dies.bob3141 wrote:Im pushing manntee.
You already explained that you think scum are content with town pushing town. What makes you happy voting the leading wagon at the time??? (yes, I'm questioning the IC's decisions. I need to understand exactly how you think to be able to decide whether I can sheep you when I have doubts of my own about one thing or another)Titus wrote:VOTE: Bob
We need a lynch. I am worried about the wagon participation rate but we can't hold out any longer.
Page 28.. just afew hours to deadline.. and NOT A SINGLE VOTE ON DREW!!
Was osuka shot over this post or did he also crumb something? I mean, Drew was already lynched, so why shoot osuka??osuka wrote:Without thinking much about it, there is at least one scum in { drew, umlaut, puppy }
OK, stike out Umlaut for certain. 717 does it for me. Manatee> LL >> carf > Nor for me.
And now I need to ask just ONE question: How did you guys end up lynching Fenraiser on D2 after all that hard defense of Manatee by flipped scum on D1? A defense that was certainly not done under any pressure as it didn't look like Drew's lynch was in any rational scope at the time. Did you all think it was TMI done for town!cred after te Manatee lynch goes through or something like that?
Page 30: OR osuka was killed because he could swing a lynch anywhere he wanted in just a few hours??
Backstabber.ManateeDude wrote:works with me
VOTE: drew
Fenraiser wrote:Run me again for drew!scum pls.
Guess I'm the next mislynch??Wake88 wrote:Reason?
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If it ain't Manatee it has to be fwogcarf (in addition to Luciano). I still make it 50-50 at best that this was a distancing move rather than an actual push. Whoever lives of the two gets to be "conf!town by virtue of being the CC to the other".Drew-Sta wrote:By virtue of no options, Manatee. I just think the reasons for it are shit and I honestly think we'll see them flip town.
It could also be a last minute attempt to limit the loss, as lynching a Goon may have been better than lynching the Nea??
And that was the end of D1
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D2:
No shit! What if I told you I still think osuka is scum?CantLynchAPuppy wrote:im all caught up
Agree manatee is probably spewed clear andosuka probably isn't scum for pushing that Drew lynch.
Umlaut wrote:Honestly, real-life obligations or no, I think we kind of have to lynch Wake if he doesn't start playing the game.Wake88 has been lynched. He was an:
Atomic Bomb
Everybody loses; including the lynchee. Mod is hospitalized and has a survival chance of a ranch turkey on Thanks Giving.
thanks for playing. Stay safe.
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Personally I'd go for all-town (or -at leat- Mafia-free)Black Ranger wrote:Umlaut: how pure is this wagon?
ManateeDude (6) -bob3141, Umlaut,Titus, Nahdia, SirCakez,osuka[L-2]
Why Nahdia? She only had one vote on her, so she really didn't need to join the Manatee wagon for survival.Umlaut wrote:Every confirmed-town player was on the Manatee wagon (and also I was). So if we think scum was on the wagon then fmpov it has to be Nahdia or SirCakez.
Here are my alternative propositions:
(1) It was an all-town wagon on town. Scum kept clear and were vanity wagoning (prove false since fen flipped green and I know I am also green)
(2) Both manatee & Cakez are town and Scum decided to keep the equilibrium (which makes it Nahdia on Manatee and any of the 4 on SC + flipped scum Drew). My only reservation is I TR Nahdia hard here. Even more than I do you.
(3) SC is Scum and Manatee is Town. Now why did Drew refuse to lynch Manatee to save his p if for nothing else?
(4) Manatee is Scum and SC is Town. That one is the most plausible one, and it explains why Drew refused to vote Manatee (probably has a more powerful role than Nea considering -in this case- he would be bus'ing his own p to survive). It also makes the Manatee wagon all-town proposition more likely, and the third scum was also voting SC (and considering I suspect all 4 of them, and more so the last 3 of them, that's actually where my money is at.
NOTE 1: #4 is also plausible for Manatee+Nor to be the 2 scums alive. In this case I'd double down on Manatee having a MUCH stronger role than Nea. LL can be the SK maybe.
NOTE 2: Regarding my TR on Nahdia it was explained earlier. Please search for her name in my ISO and find the specific reason/post why I TR her.
I seriously din't know why, but EVERYTIME I read a post of yours my guts scream "SCUM POST".fwogcarf wrote:I'll be honest, I've been suspicious of Fenraiser for quite a while now
Role Cop, JOAT & Watcher are all stronger roles for Mafia to have. Also Psychiatrist on the case of a SK in-play, although that isn't listed in the ecplicitly Normal Roles list.ManateeDude wrote:the arguement that im scumbuddies with Drew is bizarre honestly. on top of the fact that I was in a way worse place and mafia neopolitan is a fairly strong role especially in a (near) mini so it seems unlikely a stronger mafia role exists. why would I bus drew like that at EoD?? I was in a substantially worse place then him and lynching me if I was scum is always a better scenario bc I have next to no associations
I would even argue that a Mafia Babysitter is stronger than Nea with the existence of another lilling role (SK or Vig) which is already a given.
Same thing Drew said shortly before he got wagoned for the last time. Coincidence? O think not. But we will see.NorwegianboyEE wrote:Main point was getting a lynch as having one is better than nothing.
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This is actually looking good for Umlaut/SC/BR. There's absolutely no reason for scum to push the lutker that looks like the designated lynch of the day. In fact, they'd either ignore or soft defend in this case, lnowing that it is a mislynch and that people normally would FoS those who pushed it.gobbledygook wrote:
Town OTOH get frustrated with the slot they cannot get a read on, and are much more likely to push there thinking it's scum who doesn't know how to play scum, doesn't like to play scum or is inconfident enough they prefer to go under the radar. This should not apply to seasoned players (suck as wake88) though, because he totally knows how to play scum and isn't afraid of posting "fake reads" and stuff. I dunno if hr hates playing scum, but I definitely know he lurks a LOT as TOWN of late. (Like, ANYBODY could have just checked his most recent games. Duh!)
Geez! 4 votes in 6 minutes on Cakez?? Does this look normal to you? Cuz it doesn't to me.
EoP 51 and still believe LL+carf make a lot of sense as 2 scuns together, and Manatee can either be town of SK in this case. The reason I think LL+carf is more likely is them both keepong wake88 at "scumlean" but wanting to lynch elsewhere. This makes keeps the door open for then to go back to pushing the slot in the future if they need to, but also absolves them from responsibility if he was flipped on D2.
You guys need to decide if wake (now Almost50) is scum and needs to be lynched, or is "not the correct lynch" and thus is ABOVE the Null line for you (and this goes for everyone alive, actually). Decide NOW.
And you know what? I am upgrading Umlaut to a full TR (i.e, removing him from SK pool too). So -unless we somehow have an explicit guilty or a really obvious slip- my lynch pool is going to be in LL/carf/Nor/Manatee for the foreseen furure.
Because -at the time- if SC is lynched and flipped Town then LL wasn't on him. If Fen takes off (which is what happened) then it wasn't his preferred lynch, Either way "it wasn't his fault". See where I'm coming from?Umlaut wrote: This doesn't make any sense, why would you move off your preferred lynch which is at L-1 to another wagon?
Good explanation. I don't buy it though. Not from someone as relatively new as your join date suggests.LuckyLuciano wrote:Because while I' more confident in scum between {Nahdia, Cakez}, I feel more strongly about Fen being scum than either of those slots individually. So while I think it's better for the game to sort between Nahdia and Cakez, I'm just going to let the game play out how Titus wants it to and vote Fen.
Note: This is not you usual "let's harass the newbie" kind of push. In fact, you've gained a fan in me already with your elaborate play (and especially so if you are SCUM). It's just how I'm reading the game.
Another note: I'll admit O've been skimming, andespeciallythe lomger posts. If you feel like I missed something in the likes of 1303; please feel free to requote the exact portion or retype a new -shorter- post. Thank you.
This is likeLuckyLuciano wrote:@Bake, just go ahead and hammer and we can move on to the next day phase.scummest post int he whole thread (and probably the scummiest I've seen in 2020 yet). WHY couldn't you wait for wake's replacement to arrive too? Mid had promised and additional 72 hours already, so what's the hurry?the
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So, who are we MISlynching today? Not Titus, I hope. That would be too scummy to push and too hard to achieve. I mean, it's not IMPOSSIBLE (*Smirk*) but I'd rather we get a little more subtle mislynch today that won't require all anri-town slots to be on it.
Note: NOT saying ALL anti-Town were on Fen. I'm saying that's what it would take to get the IC lynched in this game.
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@Luciano: So you're trying to copy your exact town posting style from that game here? Nice to know.
Also, nice that you managed to catch the specific details of my case on you while skimming, and having enough time to go grab your own post from another game when you had just said you didn't have the time.
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Update: Now that we have a GS and a JK flipped, we now know we had at least 4 PRs. You still think Nea is the strongest role Scum had?
^ @Manatee ^
@Nor: I don't remember you playing against Scum me either. Just go to you topics page though and put Almost50 in your serach box and check the games we played together.
As for you being good at scum, I don't remember where exactly I go this, but I seem to have this impression that your scum!game is semi-identical to your town!game in terms of tone. I just think you are more careful with your posting (care more about how you look) as scum. Maybe I am confusing you with someone else??
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Maybe. I mean, playing on alts and in many game styles (Normal, Open, Themed.. etc) confuses me sometimes. My short term memory also doesn't help (I get to keep the "impression" but forget the "cause"). I may have even played you with an un-outed alt (I honestly do NOT remember that either)In post 1366, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Oh wait... That bastard game by Korina!?
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That's my lynch pool, mate. All 3 of themIn post 1367, SirCakez wrote:I think one more scum must be between (Manatee, LL, fwog)
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I would also like to remind everyone to treat the day as LyLo (from a Town PoV). It is 5-2-1 as we speak, so a mislynch coupled with 2 kills on town and we would be 2-2-1 (that's the worst case scenario, but it has to be considered, as if that happens we lose and are kingmakers)
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Doesn't matter to me if it started as 2 teams of 2 or a team of 3 and a SK. The point is we have those numbers anyway. (Unless the mod was trolling when he made it "barely" a Large just to give us the false impression of MB, and we have a REALLY bad Vig. I won't even consider this)In post 1373, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
2 maf 1 sk?In post 1372, Almost50 wrote:It is 5-2-1 as we speak
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Nurse isn't a PR.
I mean, I agree with the rest of the post, but Nurse here was a "Named Townie" to give the Scum Nea a false positive (They'd get Not Vanilla). Nurse would have been a PR only if we did have a Doctor, which we obviously don't because we have a flipped Town JK already.
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It's because I said everytime I read a post of his I want to scream "SCUM!" (which is true, btw).In post 1386, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Stop being mean towards A50. I love his tone.
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Considering this is a NORMAL, I would like to inform you that the Role Cop gets VANILLA when they target the SKIn post 1393, LuckyLuciano wrote:So Role cop was the SK-cop and Gunsmith was the mafia-cop. Pretty sure Ranger investigated Fwog N1, so Fwog would be not-mafia. I could buy him as SK.
(But -of course- who am I to argue with someone who has 10 years of experience to back them up)
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You do know you were the 4th person in my 4 suspects pool, right? Now on this page a lone you committed TWO scumtells (that's MAFIA tells). The first is when you lowkey suggested we hunt for the SK. The second is this one. You agreeing on something that is totally false. Come one, Nor! With all your experience in the Normal queue you can't honestly tell me that you didn't know that SK was considered an ALIGNMENT and thus can't be given to a ROLE COP (who gets ROLES, but NOT alignments)In post 1396, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Sry i’m dumb. You’re completely right.
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Get over it already. That game was like 4-5 years ago.In post 1397, SirCakez wrote:He definitely could fake that catchup as scum.
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@Luciano: What is the definition of toxic/toxicity in your book, of you please? because I don't think I said/made one single toxic phrase/move on anyone. Unless merely FoSing you is considered toxic to you then I don't know what you're talking about.
And my remark was a direct counterpoint to your earlier response. I don't care how long you've been playing, but if you didn't know SK's role is Vanilla you're not as experienced as you may think you are.
So, now you need to decide whether I was correct to consider you a newbie. or if you were deliberately stating inaccurate info with the intention of misleading town.
The choice is yours (in Jigsaw's voice)
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Well, let's just say you're new to MS then. Same case applies though.
P.S. WELCOME to the site. I already said I was liking your play in general. Liking you though doesn't mean I replaced in to lose to you (or rather to gift you the win).
Also -as a side remark- the fact that I was not instantly shot upon my replace-in during the night points to a higher probability scum AND SK don't know me wellm which is why I am having a hatd time deciding if Nor is anti-town or not. The other 3 (including Manatee) wouldn't shoot me on the night I replaced in.
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Regarding my argument: i have a saying (many of those who played me before know it) and that is "in order to catch scum; think like scum". I don't think >I< would work hard to build a wagon on someone and then jump off it citing such reasoning (i.e. while still keeping SC in my lynch pool). I'd only leave the SC wagon if I was convinced he was CLEAR.
As scum though, I might do just that. I mean, hop off the wagon when it looks like it may actually lead to a lynch.
For the second part, I suspect it is more incriminating than you had intended it to be. Please reread your own phrasing. You are saying you KNOW Wake was Town?? You certainly wanted to preserve the slot and protect it from being NK'd, so you are either saying you know my slot is Town or you are saying I'm your scum buddy!!
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@Luciano: Let me tell you something.. in fact I did mention it in my analysis so here's a recap: As Town; I would have wanted to lynch wake. The only thing that would stop me from doing that is the fact we have 2 kills per night, so I would actually be hoping he would end up being killed to save us the trouble.
Now let me ask you this: WHY did you want wake to survive this long? Cuz I know he wasn't even reading the thread (proven by his weird post declaring he won't be claiming results .. in the middle of day ONE. The guy didn't even know what day it was)
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Of course I'd be willing to table it for later. We have 3 anti-town players living and I have a 4-players lynchpool, so i must be wrong on at least one. Furthermore, I do not claim to be omnipotent so there's a relatively good chance I am wrong on one of my TRs too, so let's say I would actually expect to find two scums in my pool and give it a 50-50 on the 3rd one.In post 1409, LuckyLuciano wrote:Do you really want to talk about your slot? What if I told you that when the time comes I can explain myself such that if you are town, I must be town, and that I can confirm my thought process with references from each day phase? Would you be willing to table this topic for now to look elsewhere? We have all day to come back to this if you wish.
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Huh? I don't think JKs have guns. I mean, not according to the list a Normal GS would get "Has a gun" on.In post 1417, Titus wrote:I think Black Ranger checked Umlaut night 1. It makes his stretched, awkward tunnel make sense. It's also part of what people found scummy IMO.
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*Sigh*In post 1417, Titus wrote:I think the rolecop was designed to get a guilty on the serial killer and the gunsmith was designed to get a guilty on mafia.
@Luciano: I retract my "newbie" description on you, and I do apologize on top of it.
Also @Titus: How is a Role Cop going to get a guilty on a Neapolitan??
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When was the last time you were convinced by anything I say??In post 1417, Titus wrote:I think we should still look into A50 more. I'm not really convinced by his posting.
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I'm talking about the ONE GAME you saw me do that as Scum. I know it was the only one because I never did it again. It was my first game on the site and I didn't know what to do after having losy my partner on D1 and failed to pick the correct kill between RC & SS (Snarky).In post 1418, SirCakez wrote:
I have no idea what you're even referring to hereIn post 1402, Almost50 wrote:
Get over it already. That game was like 4-5 years ago.In post 1397, SirCakez wrote:He definitely could fake that catchup as scum.
In short, I'm talking about THIS game.
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I'll take this as a compliment, so THANK YOU.In post 1429, SirCakez wrote:I just know you're a competent player and good at putting out content regardless of alignment
Now seriously, if you think I'm hard to read and would be able to replicate my town game as scum, how about you check out wake's play AS TOWN? Here's a list of his town games in the last year:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82764 (He was Innocent Child)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82679 (You were in this game. He was a Watcher)
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81665 (I personally replaced him on this one. "We" were VT)
Now compare that to his scum game here:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81560 (Mafia 1-shot Strongman)
and tell me if you see the difference.
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It doesn't matter all that much really. If we lynch the SK today it will be 4-2 which is MyLo, and considering (a) Even numbers are better than Odd numbers for scum, and (b) the possibility of cross-killing; I think it cancels out the small advantage of MyLo over LyLo.In post 1475, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If we kill 1 mafia and there are 2 kills on town from last mafia + SK we are down to. 3v1v1. Which is not the best option. Some scum are already pretty much caught anyway, so the point is to get rid of SK first.
Let me elaborate a little:
5-2-1 >> Lynch the lone scummer (whether that is a SK or a 2nd team Mafia is irrelevant) >> 5-2 going into the night >> 4-2 tomorrow guaranteed
5-2-1 >> Lynch 1 of the main team >> 5-1-1 going into the night >> 3-1-1 tomorrow with a possibility of 4-1 or even 5-0-0 (Game over).
So, the important thing today is to lynch an anti-town slot (i.e. avoid a mislynch at all costs)
I see no advantage in Not Lynching either, or I would have demanded it. All it does though is buy us another day but we would still be relying on cross-kills, which isn't good for us.
We have to lynch correctly today is my final conclusion (which is why my vote is still idle rather than thrown randomly at one of my suspects)
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If I could meet you face-to-face I'd probably be kissing you on one cheek for your modding and slap you on the other for your playing.In post 1486, Dr Easy Bake wrote:
I'm here now, shouldn't that be more important?In post 1436, LuckyLuciano wrote:@DEB, have you caught up yet?
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Here are 2 questions I asked in my catch up that went unanswered.
@fwogcaf:
In post 1343, Almost50 wrote:OK. Back. And the first post that's worth commenting on is 273 and -again- it's "carf" willing to give "someone" a pass for the day. It's unclear to me whether he meant Drew or Lucky though, as he was quoting Bob's post directed at Drew about Lucky. Elaboration would be much appreciated.
(Putting this up as an isokated post on it's own so it can be easily seen and responded for)@Titus:
In post 1345, Almost50 wrote:@Titus: Can you explain why you TR carf without the use if the word "feels"?? Please and thank you.
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1- I don't see itIn post 1505, NorwegianboyEE wrote:A50 what are your thoughts on my spicy SK read?
2- I am not hunting for one scum side over the other
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Did you crumb at all??In post 1521, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'll just pop off this mass claim right now, because i'm feeling starved for content now that this is the only game i can post in atm.
Im a VT.
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Huh! Beat this:In post 1526, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Let's see that last sentence in close up:= VT
UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE.
P.S. Did you know that Vermont's postal code is Vt??? I bet you didn't (you being from Norway, that is)In post 1339, Almost50 wrote:Hello again to the people I know, and nice to meet you to those I don't
Now to those I don't know: I am averytransparent player. Like the most transparent player on the whole site, if I may so myself. Now as different people may havevarioustranslations of the term, it may take you somevividtraining to get thevirtualtype of transparency I'm referring to.
To those who already know me... let's talk about the weather. Like, how's it going inVermont?
Also post 300 by wake was a slip of his role being VT. What bloody results was he talking about? Anyone with an active ability would have known it hasn't been time to use it yet (or they would have been notified via PM that "It's N1 and you have until [deadline] to submit any actions"
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You thought I was a TPR???? What gives?In post 1537, LuckyLuciano wrote:So an A50 lynch is back on the table.
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Yes. It's the same old monkey. I mean, I'm using my main here, so your question doesn't make sense.In post 1541, NorwegianboyEE wrote:A50, is it you...?
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Could you please reread my catch up? I said that I do NOT believe there is a Doctor in this setup, because we did have a JK flip (it's unusual to have both JK & Doc on the same side). I also called the Nurse flip a "named Townie" that was meant to give the Scum Nea a false alarm of a PR (baiting Scum NK unto a powerless slot)In post 1549, LuckyLuciano wrote:More specifically, I was operating under the assumption that Wake was doc.
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It's not moonligic if taken at face value (Scum Doctor to bypass GS). But then we had a Nurse flip that said they'd be upgraded if a "Doctor died" (i.e. didn't specify alignment). THAT would be a really bad move from a balance PoV, because it spells "on addition to Scum losing their Doctor they ALSO are up against a Town Doctor". Even with a Disloyal Scum Doctor they'd know who the protected player is in advance, while a Town Doctor doesn't give them that advantage.In post 1556, Titus wrote:I actually think the doctor could be a scum role designed to bypass the gunsmith. I'd include a compulsive disloyal doctor in a setup like this. That's probably moonlogic though.
In short, when I look at balance I view as "compensating the side that lost a PR to keep them in the game" rather than "reward the side that already took the lead with more power". The Compulsive Disloyal Scum Doctor would have been very much an option IF Osuka's flip included "TOWN" Doctor rather than just "Doctor"
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Would you reconsider fwogcarf for me, please? We can meet halfway and lynch there is you will.In post 1557, Titus wrote:I kinda don't want to lynch A50 or EE or LL or Cakez because they care about the game atm. I know town might be demoralized here due to the shitty lack of cross kills and moderation but I find it hard to go after my SRs nonetheless.
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Oh, and I guess Manatee works too
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So be it.
VOTE: Manatee
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Hopefully you don't. Look into my eyes.. you're a sheep! You are MY sheep. You do as I say and you vote where I tell you to.In post 1579, Dr Easy Bake wrote:Not if I have anything to say about it.
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23 hours after my last post and only 2 players posted twice each. On a Wednesday (i.e. not even a weekend).
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Oh, well. I don't even know what to do next then. All I have right now is a tinfoil theory that we are wagoning the 2nd scum indeed (the one they tried and managed to save on D1), and it made the third one replace out untimely (he did say he was quitting Mafia AFTER this game not during it)
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The mighty Titus will be back sometime soon, I am sure. She's just taking a rest from all the madness that surrounds us. I have faith in you to be back on your feet though, and even stronger than you were.
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Well, despite the fact that 3 Mafia + 1 SK is always more likely, and despite the fact that what lead me to type the bolded in the first post was reading someone proposing it was 2 teams of 2 (I don't remember who), I will ignore both these points and go straight to the 3rd: You seem to have missed the phrase "tinfoiltheory". You're quoting it, but it's not registering in your mind. By definition; a theory isan idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action, and -in this case- it explains the untimely replace out.
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@LL: 1588 was talking about why fwogcart would replace out at this time. I get that you would consider it NAI and it could very well have been due to RL, butassuming it's not(first thing about a theory is it's based on and assumption leading to a supposition that explains something), so assuming it's not RL I proposed the theory aforementioned. Given the assumption he could not have been SK (nothing changed for them), could not have been unhappy someone fromthe other teamwas wagoned (why would he care, and how would he even know for sure?). He could not even been unhappy about his own teammate (of 2) being wagoned (that happened on D1 and he didn't leave). The ONLY proposition left to make (ASSUMING HE REPLACED OUT FOR IN-GAME REASONS) is that he is a member of a 3-players team, who had lost 1 already, but was hoping his living buddy could carry him still, but then that second buddy also looks like being in the chop (or maybe he was angry Manatee flaked on him??), so he decided to quit.
Nice observation though.
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This is a quote from the wiki:In post 1596, LuckyLuciano wrote:I mentioned it earlier. There is no way to explain Ranger tunneling Fwog D1 then suddenly town reading him D2 and never mentioning him again unless he investigated Fwog N1.
In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors),
So a Gunsmith clear is a soft clear at best. I won't throw away my own reads based on some speculation of who the dead GD incestigated and what their result was, andespecially sowhen I had checked and found no trace of a "tunnel". In fact; Ranger voted fwogcart for a whole 2 posts (48 hours apart, but that was because he didn't post at all between them. He voted fwogcart in 184and gave no particular reasonfor it. His next post was 293 and he voted fen in 294. I thus would very much appreciate if you quoted some of Black Ranger's "tunneling" on fwogcart to begin with, and THEN we can talk.
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Fuck! I messed up the brackets and coped them too!!!
@Mod: Would you be kind enough to correct my brackets so as they actually link to the mentioned posts? I put ] instead of [ 3 times.
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This is daft, and now I'm left with the dilemma of deciding whether it's town daft of a scum-motivates announcement.In post 1606, LuckyLuciano wrote:I'd rather lynch between slots that can be either SK or Mafia. That rules out Fwog today (SK Only), and make me hesitant on Manatee (D1 wagon dynamics make me think he's likely not mafia). I'm most willing to lynch between {A50, Cakez, DEB}.
I say there is NO EVIDENCE that Black Ranger ever targeted fwogcart to begin with and ASK FOR QUOTES to prove nthe allegation, and Signor Luciano here IGNORES the request and INSISTS fwogcart can't be Mafia. Furthermore he wants us to abandon the OTHER Mafia read which we are voting to follow his own illusions/schemes (depending on whether it's daft town of a scum move). Thanks but no thanks, amico mio.
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@LUCIANO:You said Ranger tunneled on fwogcart on D1.QUOTE IT.
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We can all vote Manatee to end the day for starters. It also serves to save us the wait for a replacement to the slot. Fwog's replacement has been requested already, so if that doesn't happen overnight I'm sure the mid will be able to do something about it. Game abandonment is never a good option, and it only happens if the MOD decides they can't run it to completion.
Just vote Manatee and let's get the flip.
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You're the one who suggested it in 1618. Or are you PK just abandoning the game but not OK finishing properly?
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My bad then, but now I have to wonder why is it alright to abandon the game and not to get it done with properly. Y'see, I maybe wrong, but when someone calls for the abandonment it gives me the feeling they don't care about the game anymore, so it's should be alright for them to just end it in any way. You being alright quitting but not OK lynching an absent slot raises the question of "what have you got to lose if the game went on?". You do understand what I'm insinuating, don't you?
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