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VOTE: Bell

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VOTE: RozyRoz

One balloon for you.

I see people.

Light townread on Pickaxe Pete because he actually tries to generate AI discussion and ignores the NAI stuff

What about his posts looked like trying to generate AI discussion to you?

VOTE: Marshmallow

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It’s announcing.
Because scum say it is.
While town say it’s

"Scum syntax" arguments are heresy.

VOTE: Bell


From my long experience of playing with Norweegian (1 game!), he screams town when he's town. My ears are open for the scream.

Was this a serious vote?

lol sorry

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VOTE: RozyRoz

One balloon for you.

I see people.

Light townread on Pickaxe Pete because he actually tries to generate AI discussion and ignores the NAI stuff

I don't think this is an early pocket, but it feels like an early pocket.

Come join the Marshmallow wagon. It shows great promise.

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Thinking Reaver is excited town. Or not a newb.

Thanks for pointing this out. Went to ISO that slot and have a completely different opinion now.

Weren't you already townreading her in 72?

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VOTE: RozyRoz

One balloon for you.

I see people.

Light townread on Pickaxe Pete because he actually tries to generate AI discussion and ignores the NAI stuff

What about his posts looked like trying to generate AI discussion to you?

VOTE: Marshmallow

Voting with a line meant to be replied to

, and not taking part to the discussion about theory that took over the thread for some posts. Not saying his posts are legendary, but they are still better than Superbowl's, for example.

I don't follow. Which line by Pickaxe Pete warranted a response...? Like aside from you who quoted his posts to give him a townlean, no one even bothered to respond to Pete's posts.

This feels like a contrived read. More votes on Marshmallow plz n ty.

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Was this a serious vote?

lol sorry

Sorry for what? I feel dumb for being clueless in front of this two-word post lol

I altslipped

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Plz cat scratch I have standards. I can’t just vote the lowest hanging fruit.
I have a non existent reputation to uphold

What's your read on Marsh?

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We're still in the building wagons phase of the game. There's no reason to fear miseliminating someone when it takes 11 to elim.

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Why are we wagoning MM?

Because of his shitty townread on Pete

Join us!

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You say an argument looks fabricated. What’s your next thought as a mafia player? Who stands to benefit from fabricating arguments?

It seems like you observe some fact about the game and then just turn off the part of your brain which follows up and makes conclusions from that fact. Also explains why you would not be able to see why weak early wagons are fine to just let be

Well stanley is voting for you. How is that for a follow up?

I would also look favorably upon a superbowl wagon

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He seems fine? I don't think what he wrote was a backtrack. Saying "this conversation feels weird" isn't the same as saying it's SvS. He also voted superbowl like right after so I think stanley was just thinking superbowl was being weird

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You say an argument looks fabricated. What’s your next thought as a mafia player? Who stands to benefit from fabricating arguments?

It seems like you observe some fact about the game and then just turn off the part of your brain which follows up and makes conclusions from that fact. Also explains why you would not be able to see why weak early wagons are fine to just let be

Well stanley is voting for you. How is that for a follow up?

I would also look favorably upon a superbowl wagon

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Taking note of how you proposed an alien wagon then flaked

Why did you ignore my post? This isn't the first time you just glossed over someone verbalizing a scumlean on you.

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i mean, it wasn't really a reaction test. Do you feel like the level of agression that he's sending my way is justified?

I don't think it's AI for Norway specifically because I've seen him overreact to a vote on him as town.

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I'm currently town on both Nero and Norway, since their play reminds me of their towngames. NPOM is prob town too, but shouldn't be listened to

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I was gonna respond to it but decided it wasnt worth it because it was a misrep. If you call that vote a follow up

it's admitting alien thought that argument was SvT or SvS posturing which makes no sense (which he knows which is why he keeps backing off that position)

Why doesn't this thought make sense from town!stanley?

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That's a strange conclusion. I don't think I've played with Cat before. I could be wrong.

We literally just finished Mini 2148 where I regret not policy lynching you before lylo

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It doesn't make sense from any!stanley which is why we all realize he can't hold that position, so he backed off it. Because why would SvT fake an argument and why would SvS posture on pg 5 in a large and draw the shitstorm of attention we've gotten

Idk if I'm missing something obvious now, because I still don't get it. Scum get into arguments with town all the time, why couldn't the argument be viewed as SvT from stanley?

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That's a strange conclusion. I don't think I've played with Cat before. I could be wrong.

We literally just finished Mini 2148 where I regret not policy lynching you before lylo

We were alive for live one day together before you got NK'd.

There was literally no argument against Bob that game. I don't think you can argue that you would have voted for Bob over Crayons. I admit I was outplayed but saying I "should not be listened to" is a major overreaction from one game where I was a replacement.

Technically I was alive for 2 days, and I voted for bob in both days I was alive...

Even setting that game aside, your posts in this game still shouldn't be sheeped judging from their content alone

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I’m not catching up. But reaver is town. Bowl is town and the votes on him are bad and you should feel bad.

What's town about superbowl?

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What do you mean by "thinking laterally"? What has he done that is unlikely to come from scum?

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CSF because he said it was staged why would SvT stage an argument

I think there are two interpretations of what stanley was trying to convey in 165, and I'll let him clarify which one. But I didn't think stanley was trying to say that the argument was pre-planned, so much as the argument developed weirdly.

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“the solving of problems by an indirect and creative approach, typically through viewing the problem in a new and unusual light.“-google.

Just read him again.

yeah you're going to have to bring concrete examples, I have read his ISO many times

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The difference in a 4 vote wagon and a 5 vote wagon in this game is literally so miniscule that it makes no difference, especially when one of those votes is Lapsa. The MM wagon will continue to die down until MM comes back on and responds to the investigation kicked off by CSF and reminded by me in my post above. If his response is shitty then I'm all for building a serious wagon then. But let's not pretend that 3 votes + Lapsa is a remarkable wagon opportunity to pass up. It's not.

I love a good, strong wagon. The MM wagon is not one as it stands and my vote remains more useful on you.

So far today I'll be cool with serious wagons forming on Nero, MM depending on response, or Norway. I won't be voting Superbowl or NPOM as they are my highest TRs, CSF is almost up to that same peak tier.

These reads are big oof. Not a fan of the wagon momentum explanation either

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I don't follow. Which line by Pickaxe Pete warranted a response...? Like aside from you who quoted his posts to give him a townlean, no one even bothered to respond to Pete's posts.

This feels like a contrived read. More votes on Marshmallow plz n ty.

"One balloon for you" is usually the kind of thing you say when you want to engage RVS-style conversation with a player.

He voted someone who hadn't picked up their role pm

Also, "contrived read"... it isn't because I give the weak reads I have to start discussion that I'm giving "contrived" reads. This is going to read as more haughty than it should, but I sadly don't see a better way to word it, sorry in advance: you should be thanking me for starting meaningful discussion on people's behavior (in this very case, mine) instead of blaming me for giving a weak read in the first hours of D1 and calling it "contrived".

That being said, I can understand the thought process town!Cat would be going through here, and give some town points to them (more meaningful town points than those I gave to Pickaxe early on).
oh no maybe that's "contrived" too

and final disclaimer, this is not meant to be mean lol, I just find your conception of how people should play quite restrictive.

Weak =/= contrived.

Weak reads are fine as something to get the ball rolling.

Your read is both weak and contrived. It's hard to believe town would look at Pete's posts critically and be like "yeah this is going to be the townlean read that I'm going to throw out"

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438 and 495 ring townie from town looter

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CSF because he said it was staged why would SvT stage an argument

I think there are two interpretations of what stanley was trying to convey in 165, and I'll let him clarify which one. But I didn't think stanley was trying to say that the argument was pre-planned, so much as the argument developed weirdly.

Really getting tired of ppl trying to use general contexts to say that what stanley said made sense. If they’re talking about the argument being staged, that makes no sense. If they’re talking about the argument being a little bit of a stretch/over nothing, we’re trying to escape RVS so why would you say that unless you’re trying to supress AI content??

Some people just say what's on their mind

Don't see how it suppresses AI content

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Mafia rarely "say what's on their mind"

I’m not calling Stanley mafia? I’m defending him ...

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Why am I scum NPOM?

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What other reads do you have Superbowl

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Why the townread on Bell?

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VOTE: Glitch

Cooling on MM scum

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Nero, where can you see that Glitch is pushing your/ Norwegian's lynch, rather than sorting you?

prob the post that says he'll wagon either of us.

So far today I'll be cool with serious wagons forming on Nero, MM depending on response, or Norway.

This is why you're scum. You are working so hard to twist my statements and turn them into something that you would clearly understand if you were town genuinely seeking a scum elimination. You quote what I've said and then add your own words or interpretations, representing what I said as something it is not. But you do so in small steps, not giant, huge, sweeping steps. Big misreps would be seen straight through. But small misreps... you keep pulling them off and acting like I've said things that I haven't.

Flake asked you where I pushed for your lynch rather than sorting you. You quoted where I said I would be cool with wagoning you and Norway in response to that question. Please tell me a player with over 36,000 posts on this website understands the difference between supporting a wagon and supporting a lynch. They are not the same,

especially

not in a large when a wagon isn't even as strong as it would be in a smaller game because it is so much harder to get large, actually threatening wagons with 21 players.

You are twisting my words and misrepresenting what I have said to others in an effort to throw shade at me for something I never said. If you would stop arguing against me for things I didn't say, and start arguing with things I actually said, then maybe we could get somewhere. But I'm at a loss. I'm sorry if I'm too much of a noob for you and I try to take advice from the wiki on how to play. We can't all be 36,000+ post pros. I get voted off a lot for being a noob and so following strategy guides is my attempt at trying to get better. If you're going to just belittle me for trying to improve my play, can you at least do it without being condescending?

Bro 796 Nero literally uses the word “wagon” and not “lynch.” How is that a misrep

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I have no opinion on Titus

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When asked, "Where does Glitch advocate for lynching y'all," and Nero says, "Right here. Where he wants to wagon us."
Then yes. That's a misrep. I want to wagon. Wagon =/= lynch. It can lead to a lynch. Or it can lead to disbanding the wagon. Why is this controversial?

I mean this is just nitpicking at small semantic differences

The difference between wagoning and lynching isn’t even relevant given the nature of siteflaking’s question

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Hey sunflower gal, you enjoying this game?

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What’s wrong with the super wagon, SJ? I think the wagon composition is townish. Do you think Super Bowl is towny?

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What’s wrong with the super wagon, SJ? I think the wagon composition is townish. Do you think Super Bowl is towny?

I do. And I think he's a solid townie as well. Not super but middle of the road when it comes to pushing the game. Which means I don't like that people are trying to eliminate him over weaker players.

What I'm asking myself is 'did scum start this wagon, or did scum see it rolling and hop on?'

Could I interest you in glitch

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When asked, "Where does Glitch advocate for lynching y'all," and Nero says, "Right here. Where he wants to wagon us."
Then yes. That's a misrep. I want to wagon. Wagon =/= lynch. It can lead to a lynch. Or it can lead to disbanding the wagon. Why is this controversial?

I mean this is just nitpicking at small semantic differences

The difference between wagoning and lynching isn’t even relevant given the nature of siteflaking’s question

Do you disagree

Or more topically do you think Nero was “misrepping” glitch

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Mile wide gaps and logic and missing the point, not understanding or failing to comprehend nuance is pretty much par for the course.
Misunderstandings ahoy.

Why did you vote MM initially?

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Sorry I need to prodge. It’s performance review season at work