Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

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Expect minimal participation from me.

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ET, if you think/thought there were 6 scum in this game why do u only have 4 scum reads?

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ET, if you think/thought there were 6 scum in this game why do u only have 4 scum reads?

Please stop faking being a noob, it's unbecoming.

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Etine is town.

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Found the scum.
VOTE: Vasex

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Kitty

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DGB why are you voting kitty

Is that a problem for you?

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cake sounds tasty tho

I need a scientific explanation for the corn syrup.

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DGB why are you voting kitty

Is that a problem for you?

no? do you not want to answer my question?

I literally gave it zero thought beyond

"hey this guy vasex seems to be townie and know what he's talking about more than me."

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Enchant is town.

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but wasn't kitty the first wagon and not etine or was etine the first wagon?

Kitty is first wagon and started by Vasex, You and T3 (i suppose). If Kitty will die as town then probably they are not mafia, because mafia would be hesitant to push. But if Kitty is mafia then i really suspect bus.

:goodposting:

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VOTE: T3

So is there a TL;DR of claims so far? I'm never going to remember all of them.

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I'm gonna pass on that one.

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Ego bed time for young goddess

I forgot my account password guys

Much embarrass, I'm here now though!

So guys.

How bout we pretend I'm a rep in and tell me what's happened so far?

I might as well give up with this account at this point

I fail to see how that makes Andres scum and not town defending slots.

Also guys miller is not a normal role

Definitely not defending slots

Vibes so far, I don't like pushes so far.

Nero lock town. All pushes there needs to stop

Marky, etine, vasex, ???, ???

Have fun with this hero solve

Zoomer?

I'm old af

VOTE: Artemiana

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Let's eliminate Kitty tomorrow.

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not when that claim is a 180 on a previous claim

What did I miss?

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I forgot my account password guys

Recoverable in 2 minutes.

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Also I don't have to be on a wagon with DGB and Andre!

or we could help DGB bus

funny

my point was that DGB left a viable t3 wagon to vanity vote. From my POV that looks like scum that doesn't want to be on a ml.

Right? I wanted to vote scum. Deal with it.

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How is 1-shot cop and night 1/2 cop not directly counter claiming each other?

I agree, but the technically correct play is to let both live the night, and eliminate one tomorrow. Preferably Kitty.

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Also I don't have to be on a wagon with DGB and Andre!

or we could help DGB bus

funny

my point was that DGB left a viable t3 wagon to vanity vote. From my POV that looks like scum that doesn't want to be on a ml.

I like this analysis - its something i am guilty of when I am scum

VOTE: DGB

OK so you're saying T3 is conftown?

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Hi, would anyone like to help me catch up?

You rolled scum

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Hi, would anyone like to help me catch up?

You rolled scum

Do not worry, my heart is pure

After reading your posts, your role PM isn't as pure as your heart, but both are equallly red.

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I don't know how popular here to destroy your partners from the very beginning

Day 1 bus'ing is a plague on this site, the good kind of plague.

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Do you believe Artemiana lied about forgetting her password? It's an alt account so why is this unreasonable to happen?

Click on

"forgot your password?"

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Even without a password... this is not a reason not to read the game at least. She could tell other reasons - lazy,busy... but no, a password, a password.

When you're scum, password recovery is much more of a chore. I can't believe that you, of all player, can be softened up by this tripe.

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Andres has basically just been pointing out stuff mechanical.. moving to lean scum.

Agreed.

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I mean I agree with you that arte/ana are scum but I don't think you are town either. Like you left the T3 wagon b/c? arte was scum? sure so does that mean you started to town read t3? why didn'y you use your words?

So why are you accusing the person changing their vote to a scum, instead of the actual scum? Yes I town read T3. If not I wouldn't have unvoted.

That's a garbage take, Nero.

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DGB, you are wrong about Enchant

I've been wrong before.

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You know what, DGB... I need your updated opinion about Enchant. What do you think. Still townie? Possible scum now?

There seems to be a language issue at play where he can't help but sound like a movie villain, so good luck tone-reading. I see some posts that sound like genuine town frustration. But like everyone keeps telling me when

I'm

bleeding green with town frustration,

it could be faked

!

I'm actually more concerned with your question. Do you

know

that Enchant is scum and you want to corner me for a wrong town read?

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I've been wrong before.

explain

You seriously want me to explain that my reads aren't 100% accurate?

Why don't you hassle players that are trying to frame me for wrongly townreading their buddy?

You sounded like a good player, I guess I was wrong about that, too.

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Vasex is still prob town for #1350, top post on this page. He's just trying to find scum the six degrees of separation method.

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I dont know roles of anybody except me, but I think I might found smth important so I need to know is your opinion about Enchant has changed or remained the same since "Enchant town"?

Yeah I still think he'll flip green.

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So classic mafia

Elaborate on "classic mafia" and illustrate with the posts that show this.

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why didn't you stop somehow this huge endless attack from T3 (who wasn't townie for you) to your almost only townie Enchant?

Do I look like I care that much? It's fucking Day 1, I could be wrong. I also townread T3. Let him do his work.

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Other players were discussing are reasons good or bad to scumread Enchant like T3 for slipping

I eyerolled this shit, slips never pan out unless it's a cut and paste URL from the scum PT.

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I got to this thoughts thinking could you be with T3 like partners? Because you said "Enchant townie", then T3 starting to cry with caps lock "Enchant is scum", and there is almost no reaction on that from you, like it is ok for you.

So maybe you can be partners with T3, not scumreading him and not intercepting of doing smth bad for town from your POV... And just pocketing Enchant.
Or maybe you are partners with Enchant and trying not to show it much with the defense, hoping that this storm will end soon.

That's trash six-degrees-of-separation scum hunting. People's abilities to zero in on actual scum aren't that great. Even the best of the best score only slightly above chance.

It's Day 1, I think

player A

is scum!

Player B

disagrees with me and defends

player A

, so

player B

must be a buddy of

player A

.

Player C

scumreads

player B

, therefore

player C

is in the town pile.

Player D

is going after

player C

so

player D

must be scum. My Day 1 solve is A/B/D!!!!!!!!!!!!! Curiously

player E

has exactly the same solve, therefore

player E

is town. Right now

player F

is voting

player E

, so

player F

is scum.

You're even worse at this game than i am.

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Do I look like I care that much?

Etine town, Enchant town - sound with much confidence. Like a huge bet in poker.

I also townread T3. Let him do his work.

firstly not. you voted him. but because of claiming, not because of attack on your townie.

Oh good grief. I've been posting naked reads sine 1973 when we played mafia through academic email with reel-to-reel main frame computers and posts came out of a dot matrix printer.

I also don't give a shit if anyone wants to scumread my town reads. Maybe they're right.

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tvt

That's at least 50% correct - and I think he's town, too.

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VOTE: deep-city-lights

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VOTE: Anastasia

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If Anastasia is scum, it would be an honor losing to her.

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I like Kerset's #1639.

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I meant 1640

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No one listens to me so i will pick by myself.

Kitty targets Anya
T3 targets samantha97

Was this post meant for your scum PT?

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VOTE: deep-city-lights
VOTE: A50
VOTE: deep-city-lights
VOTE: A50
VOTE: deep-city-lights
VOTE: A50
VOTE: deep-city-lights
VOTE: A50
VOTE: deep-city-lights
VOTE: A50

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VOTE: deep-city-lights
VOTE: A50
VOTE: deep-city-lights
VOTE: A50
VOTE: deep-city-lights
VOTE: A50
VOTE: deep-city-lights
VOTE: A50
VOTE: deep-city-lights
VOTE: A50

NICE. Now I know DGB is Town.

Only scum would call me town.

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VOTE: deep-city-lights

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Cool, I was VT, washing my hands of the game.

Good luck to those who give a shit.

P-edit, you can't unvote after hammer lol.

Off to go back to coding then.

I can't vote this.

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i mean not really reactions like that are nai it means very little anyone can fake a reaction like that

kitty even did one earlier and everyone believed him even though he's a creature of darkness

Kitty gets one more day for the claim. Kitty gets a guilty? We hang Kitty. Kitty gets an inno? We hang Kitty.

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Can we get rid of deep-city-lights now?

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Give me ONE reason not to yeet that slot.

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Dcl is a blocker

REJECTED

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what is a blocker

Some made up reason not to vote for deep-city-lights.

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deep-city-lights can't take the heat of my one vote.

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There is no roleblocker crumb in dcl's minuscule iso.

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Some of you are uncannily sure that Cabd is scum.

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viewtopic.php?f=23&t=86228&start=650
Cabd's most recent scumgame btw

What's the comparison.

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I guess no one wants to back up their meta links.

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yea im new this is my first game

No you're not the way you are confident about this traitor thing implies you think you have knowlege about forum mafia
Whats your main/site you came from?

ive never played mafia before im new

DIE SCUM DIE

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btw Goofbal can you start being useful? You are not helping town

No. I have made a vow never to bother trying to be useful again. Those days are gone.

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scum nero would pocket people

That’s all you have? You don’t think they’ve been encouraging every garbage push by Vasex? Or diverting attention away from T3 at the most convenient times? And has put down multiple convenient / garbage votes? Am I like insane here?

If you can make a believable case that Nero is encouraging Vasex's garbage pushes, I'll vote Nero. Deal?

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don't really want to vote vasex and I still think cabd/andre are better lynches but the silver lining of a vasex lynch is that maybe we'd finally get to lynch some lurker scum.

Why do we need Vasex to push lurker scum like deep city lights and its bad replacement?

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my only experience with dgb was them afking then hyperposting near day end and outing themselves as a serial killer in a grand idea game

Link pls

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Is dgb usually very good in searching townies or scums?

No, not only am I terrible at finding scum, but everyone scumreads me in every game, no one believes my PR claims and I never survive Day 2. Even the players to whom I hint that I doc-protected them the night before (hello Prism). I am also vig bait, see Team Mafia.

I wasn't going to play mafia ever again, but when this game started, which I had signed up for when dinosaurs were still roaming the earth, I decided to just go through the motion and not care.

Here I am deal with it.

BTW I townread you, and that's not to your credit given my record.

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Link pls

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84823

I wasn't a serial killer, I was an

assassin targeting a scum faction

. I didn't "out myself as SK" - I outed myself as a neutral player trying to kill aliens.

There's no need to make me look worse than I actually am.

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yall post too much

didnt read anything whats up

Why is this still alive

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bloodhail is funny

It's just a run-of-the-mill trolling scum

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k i can vote for T3, dunnstral, deathnote, deep city lights, n cabd

deep city lights has been replaced by bloodhail.

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And DGB doesnt like Anastasia. Though it is difficult with dgb, and Nero would like to elim them

I'm at peace with Anastasia for now.

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I thought you said bad play =/= scum.

That's where I am at with Enchanted.

Meanwhile deep-city-lights/bloodhail are getting away with massive lurking and trolling.

Any player that is demonstrably worse than me needs the guillotine.

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yeah, strange post from dgb. if dgb is with enchant, then nero was absolutely right about dgb

Enchant is gonna flip green. I'm not touching that wagon.

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yall post too much

didnt read anything whats up

this is a wolf afraid to leave the barn

I'm already taking note of all the players trying to save this worthless slot.

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Enchant's self vote is painfully townie.

Vasex, you may be a worse player than me.

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everyone should self vote so they become confirmed city

VOTE: Anya

there we go now you know i'm town as well

for what it is worth - I think the vasex self vote was explicitly towny because there is plenty of logical reasoning for him to get frustrated at the gamestate there as a townie when comparing to his play in the game thus far.

I am the Queen of Self-Voting and AtE.

If anyone ought to know that self-vote is townie, it's me.

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I did not mean to quote Anya, I was referring to Enchant.

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WindowsXP has already laid down the BS reasons for that. I would wager that both are town.

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it was clearly a stupid town gambit to not get nightkilled

but if he is not bulletproof like he said then he is going to get killed anyway

True but the scum may not want to waste a NK trying, and instead would push for a day elimination.

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1 shot cop is easy scum claim to make, you make 1 result, you just clear 1 player or your scumbuddy, and then you have an excuse as to why you never die.

Except we're killing Kitty tomorrow no matter what, so it didn't work.

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Bloodhail, vote Enchant, he is a scum
I dont know about Anastasia anymore

You're weirdly into that d-c-l/bloodhail slot while parroting nonstop "Enchant is a scum."

Does anyone have a theory to explain that weirdness?

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There's this nagging feeling they're just being a jerk-bag townie

You know that slot won't be NK'd.

I could buy the jerk-sack theory were it not for the deep-city-lights compounding factor.

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VOTE: Enchant

But of course.

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I'm not a massive fan of voting bloodhail here as an elim on them wouldn't give us that much info. Better to have the claimed cops target them tbqh

Why waste an investigation on a slot that we can day-eliminate?

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I'm not a massive fan of voting bloodhail here as an elim on them wouldn't give us that much info. Better to have the claimed cops target them tbqh

It will give us info as the votes start coming... or not.

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VOTE: T3

Here. Now they are 5 votes vs. 5 votes.

Probability of hitting scum is low.

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if enchant is scum, it casts great shadow on dgb and mark

If Enchant is town, it casts a dark shadow on Vasex

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If I flip town should you die next?

Did you really say "if" instead of "when?"

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VOTE: T3

Here. Now they are 5 votes vs. 5 votes.

Probability of hitting scum is low.

No one dared to cast a vote since I evened out the playing field?

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what is scumcase on him?

It's a Vasex tunnel that lead to a charismawagon.

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Arrogant town with fanciful theories.

Almost everyone is ignoring him... because his repetitive arguments make no sense. He gets really excited about made up traitor BS. It's a long shot and worth discussing but Vasex presented it like a done deal.

Anyhoo... who is scum, Anastasia?

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NDMath was online and... and nothing.
48 hours have passed.

Now that's significant.

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but the chance we swing to an andre lynch

I could swing there.

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@WindowsXP

You are my favorite boomer operating system.

Who should I vote for?

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thats y i tell xp that bad play should be punished if he is town who lied

If he's town, claiming BP as cop isn't a bad play.

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Mafia cop also implies Traitor;

How so?

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My argument is that logic was ignored in order to push t3, and a lot of correct but awkward conclusions appeared from nowhere:

-Mafia having a cop
-Traitor in the game (which is implied with a mafia cop)

And neither of these things are natural to think about. Thinking that mafia have a cop is not a natural conclusion at all. And kerset walked it back but I don't fully buy that

The traitor speculation might me TMI - a kind of signal, even.

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ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

The first mention of "traitor" in the game.

Fishing?

Now, read WindowXP's sustained yet oddly understated defense of T3 before the elimination.

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1. Traitors are usually equipped with bulletproof to avoid swing.
2. Traitor knows scum identity but scum doesn't know traitor, so crumbing is necessary.

Asking

for a crumb?

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also according to wiki, scum team is typically informed that traitor exists.

Third mention of "traitor."

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Ah i have time here - didnt hammer so I can see who does hammer for info. Selfish i know but it helps my pov.

If i want to go about something a specific way i refuse to get bullied into something else.

I have a very specific reason for not hammering that is deeper than that. But keel trying to shade me and see where it gets you.

I dont hammer resolvable investigative claims but heres me not pushing for unvotes bc i think the evidence now is pretty compelling.

(I.e. i dont want this wagon necessarily on principle and wont ve tbe final vote)

I dont wanna vote t3 but ill let the wagon go with less resistance. I want to observe what happens now.

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VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

Can you show your calculations? The case against WindowsXP is compelling to me, I'd like to compare.

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Dunnstral, what are your thoughts on WindowsXP and Kerset as possibly signalling to a traitor?

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VOTE: Vasex
First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact. There was no single wagon that vasex wouldn't join, except for this one which flipped scum.

Can you show your calculations? The case against WindowsXP is compelling to me, I'd like to compare.

Its not based on calculations. It is based on my memory.

Show me his posts, then.

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First he pushed literally everyone beside T3. Once T3 fate was settled he made 180 and hoped to hide this fact.

Show me the posts that support this, scum.

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i agree xp looks pretty bad but i'm not sure why they would accuse their own mafia cop of being a traitor? like if they are a traitor why do they draw attention to their teammate and make them look suspect with their crumb?

Maybe it backfired - they hoped to bring up the topic because they weren't finding a crumb. Then Kerset comes along and explains that the traitor is expected to crumb.

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1. Traitors are usually equipped with bulletproof to avoid swing.
2. Traitor knows scum identity but scum doesn't know traitor,

so crumbing is necessary

.

Asking

for a crumb?

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Vasex pushed really hard for Enchant to be the final wagon of the day.

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We should expect a result from Kitty.

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T3 not town.

VOTE: Enchant

the attempt to quickhammer cabd wasn't good either

Look at these two consecutive posts.

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VOTE: t3

VOTE: t3

scummy vote - trying to make t3 look like the only viable wagon.

Look at this other pair of consecutive posts.

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1 shot cop is easy scum claim to make, you make 1 result, you just clear 1 player or your scumbuddy, and then you have an excuse as to why you never die.


t3 claims a specific modifier that would be out of character for a new player - granted he has a scum team behind him as scum, but i think he was reading from his role pm here rather than a scumbuddy feeding him a claim, because in that case he would not have claimed BP in the first place there.

Another posts that makes me want to eliminate WindowsXP.

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With T3 flipping mafia doc, and his cop claim turning out false, I now believe Kitty is town.

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With T3 flipping mafia doc, and his cop claim turning out false, I now believe Kitty is town.

T3 has been eliminated Day 1. He was a

Mafia Cop

.

He wasn't a town Night 1-2 cop.

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Spoiler: Quoting A50's summary of Vasex's summary for easier access"

[quote="In post 3249, Almost50]Actually quoting this for easier access

Spoiler: Vasex Summary

T3 was a mafia cop
So i reread everything in day 1 and made notes about any suspicious or important moments, mostly connected with t3 or some other suspects. It is rather convinient, u can use it. In the end there is my conclusion who is a scum.

195 nero says t3 town because he is voted by scum xp
229 t3 thinks the tone of etine is fake
235 list of scums from etine, t3 is the first
244 ndmath thinks t3 is pocketing him
249 attack of t3 on etine for 3 rvs posts of dcl
265 andre voted t3 because t3 is complaining about being voted on rvs
268 andre is being pretty pinged by t3
287 anya thinks that t3 is defending enchant, she votes him.
301 Anya: "T3 actually feels like he's been wearing heavy clunky armour and had a defensive riot shield up from the start of this game" (maybe she wants the others not to elim t3)
303 Anya: "maybe like a wolf cop" (wow!)
306 kerset: "Why people bully T3. Is it a meme?"
307 mark: "Anya makes a very good point ref T3", but votes etine
313 kerset "Etine if you start attacking T3, people will townread you"
318 windows "I think mark might be scum here"
346 mark "T3 I could see some associatives with NDMath/Enchant but pretty nullish individually."
353 t3 "When questioned about a small thing Etine gets very defensive. Marky Mark and Nero are some trs right now."
407 xp: "etine/t3/mark"
409 cabd: red "t3,std,etine"
418 t3 after attack from dunn to std: "STD has made zero impression on me at all. I'll look at his ISO."
424 townies and scumies from std, there is no t3
426 t3 Reads:
Hard town: Marky Mark, Rathe
Town: Nero Cain
Lean town: NDMath, WindowsXP, dcl, Anya, DeathNote
Null: Vasex, Kerset, samantha, STD, DGB, Dunnstral, Arte, Andres
Lean scum: Enchant, Cabd
Scum: KittyTacky, Etine
Most of my null reads are basically people who haven't donr anything.
430 t3 "Cabd feels like a lot of noise but no content. Enchant is townreading one of my scumreads and I didn't like the framer interaction"
431 std "adding T3 to town"
438 anya "T3's hurdle jumps are a little more graceful and improved"
477 etine "Idk about T3 anymore.."
514 rathe to t3 "so u could be mafia n vasex is town"
556 arte "Marky, etine, vasex, ???, ???"
613 t3 "Etine's claim was terrible. I just don't see an actual lazy babysitter claiming lazy babysitter at e-5."
638 t3 "Dunn vs STD giving me tvt vibes."
657 rathe "vasex initial scumread on kitty was fair i guess, but i think T3 jumping on was not good"
662 rathe after vote on t3: "i can say that maybe vasex is town, but nothing has really changed for T3"
675 xp "rathe also on my scumdar"
681 t3 after votes on cabd "Cabd is only a scum lean for me, I 'm keeping my vote where it is."
704 xp "is it bad that i wanna say i wanna sheep vasex today and like basically make them town leader like i fucking trust this dude to be town 100% and they are putting in effort i am unable to really put into a large game like i hate sorting 20 other people LOL" (then samantha bookmarked this a mafia post)
712 kerset's rainbow: t3 orange
738 t3 " don't particularly like how kerset hopped on the Kitty wagon but I feel like the specific reasoning would only besomething Kerset would say in the scum chat."
804 t3 to enchant "SLIP"
805 t3 "PUTTING SOMEONE AT E1 MAKES SOMEONE CONFIRMED TOWN IF THEY ARE SCUM
BUT HOW WOULD YOU KNOW KITTY IS SCUM IF YOU ARE NOT HIS PARTNER"
818 kitty "I was a Town 1-Shot Cop"
836 std "OMG I HAVE A CAKE NEXT TO MY NAME
WORSHIP ME
by unvoting kitty and going after the real scum here, Cabd"
940 vasex "t3, u missed the question" ---- there i noticed that t3 didnt tried to explain the slip to std, who didnt get it... why t3 should explain it to his partner, right?)) If std was town, t3 needed to explain to him to make a new believer in this theory, but he even doesnt try to persuade std
966 anya agrees with kerset, that xp is mafia
991, 995, 996 dkkoba talks with cabd about roles, miller and t3... i dont really understand the sense maybe because of wrong translating
1010 mark "t3 among scums"
1019 (1 minute left) t3 " ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me"
1014 mark votes dunn
1020 mark talks smt about t3, i dont understand (what does fos mean?)
1022 xp to t3 "traitor claim?"
1023 kerset agrees woth xp about t3 traitor
1024 mark downgrades fos rather fast (fos?)
1031 std is trying to attack cabd while others attack t3 like a traitor... with caps lock!
1038 cabd to std "Weird angle here man."
1044 dunn doesnt understand why t3 is traitor but says to std "scummy"
1048 etine before vla "Just wanted to say I approve of T3 votes, even if mine is kinda old by now."
1110 nero votes enchant after votes of mark and enchant to t3 "could enchant just be scum here?"
1116 nero talks about pressure on t3
1122 dgb votes artemiana
1138 Artemiana has requested replacement.
1146 anya votes cabd after samantha's vote to t3 ; though in 1149 she says that enchant is town ; t3 has 8 votes now...
1158 t3 "I'm not a bulletproof. I'm another pr. I was quite confident Kitty and Enchant were both scum and my specific power role has reason to question Kitty's claim.
I thought Ktty was going to be limed and be mafia, so I wanted to eliminate all chances of scum going for me"
1159 t3 "I'm a night 1 and night2 Cop. I highly doubt there is another 1 shot cop."
1168 std reaction to this – he needs to reread)
1173 Enchant after caps lock attack to kitty in 1172 (AHAHA DUDE) he says: “I want to say, yes fine, elim me see me flip townie, but then lynch Kitty without hesitation as it's damn funny. He ready to admit any evidence, even if it incriminate them as well.”… then much later in the post 1347 I returned to it asking “Why not T3 ? You are voting T3, but at the same time you suggest elim you and then Kitty after you........ Why not T3? Why do you vote T3 if Kitty is scummier for you? You dont believe T3 is a traitor or a scum, arent you?”
1196 anya changes the vote to Artemiana
1198 mark's some more messages about t3
1232 anya votes kitty
1244 xp votes dgb,dgb asks then "OK so you're saying T3 is conftown?"
1247-1248 kitty votes t3, then he votes cabd with words "NVM, T3's recent posts seem kinda legit."
1259-1263 dunn "what cabd did?" (defending cabd), kitty "active lurking" (againsr cabd), std "exactly" (against cabd); btw anastasia came...
1267 Anastasia says “I think Kitty/T3 are both good police officers who want to keep our beautiful town safe. I would trust both of them.”
1278-1279 last posts of deathnote "I'd vote out both cops to be honest".
1320 t3 "Townys entrance from Ana. I would rather not vote LHF slots day1 right now."
1323 t3 "Andres has basically just been pointing out stuff mechanical.. moving to lean scum."
1325 nero “we should be picking on of arte/ana DGB or CABD to lych”
1326 nero “this is ok too.” (to elim andre), «but better cabd»
1339 t3 “The thought of limming Andres just got less appealing.”
1353 t3 after rathe vote cabd “I'm not voting Cabd today because of Kitty/Cabd interactions, i just don't see that being a bus.”
1354 anya “Anastasia is fascinating wolf”
1360 dgb is trying to focus my attack on Anastasia
1362 DGB “Yes I town read T3.”
1374 vasex noticed smth maybe important: DGB considers T3 and Enhant are townies for him , but he didn’t stop the attack between his townies to each other.
1382 std says we are tvt with DGB
1420 etine considers andre scummy
1427 etine considers deathnote scummy
1431 etine considers rathe scummy
1434 etine “I know T3 claimed cop but I think his play is still scummy.”
1440 Anastasia “Samantha null-scum”
1454 Anya votes kitty
1457 Anya “t4 is town bc why would he counterclaim kitty with that cop claim in such a bad position but everythign about kitty is howling
vasex t4 are my cities
kitty anastasia are the sheds”
1458 Enchant to Anya “Because he almost yeeted for Bulletproof claim?
Because he is highly mafia who doesh't fear nightkills?
WHY EVEN COUNTERCLAIM COP CLAIMS IF YOU CAN CHECK SOMEONE AND COUNTERCLAIM AFTER, WHAT THE LOGIC YOU USAGE”
1459 Anya “bc T4 was a wagon and going to be executed without a claim...
him claiming bulletproof so that wolves didn't kill him bc he's actually a cop makes sense and i don't think a wolf does that bc town sees lying as wolfy”
1477 Nero to DGB “I mean, you yourself know that d1 bussing/distancing is a thing. If you started to town read T3 why blank vote and not try to keep t3 from getting lynched? Being silent and not trying to keep t3 from being lynched just looks like scum that was getting off that wagon so they didn't have to be on a ml.”
1484 std votes Samantha and says “samantha's posts are vapid, empty, and sparse”. Before that Samantha recently confirmed that still thinks that xp is mafia (and Anastasia and ndmath are townies for her)
1487 vasex noticed, that Samantha was voting t3 together with xp (she had said that wouldnt do it)
1510 std and Samantha voted cabd , then t3 says cabd is hard town
1518 std “nero is so scummy now”
1537 rainbow from cabd: t3 is green because is claimed cop like kitty, the red ones are Dunn and Anastasia of course
1549 std to cabd “what the hell am i doing in the claimed people tier i thought you scumread me” (maybe this is not a pair)
1572 etine sheeps ana and votes cabd
1633 vasex: cabd maybe with enchant, and he didn’t attack his red t3, they all were with more votes
1719 t3 “DGB is null right now based on the way the wagons have formed. If Emnchantis scum then kitty is also scum, and everyone seems to wantkitty and I to survive night 1.”
1725 nero to std “god u r so scummy”
1732 t3 about Anastasia “DDepends. I do think the password case against her is pretty good.”
1733 xp “also i dont want to tie anyone to anya because anya is a strong town slot ; i think STD is a good check for a cop here.”
1748 xp “wait i thought i was voting cabd lmao”
1751 xp “T3 check DGB
Kitty check NDMath”
1790 std says about windows xp and etine “tvt”
1806 xp “change this to T3 -> Etine, Kitty->DGB i want scum to nightkill Etine if they are town<3”
1817 xp wants “T3 and Kitty acknowledge their targets”
1823 mark “+1 for both claimed cops to acknowledge their targets publicly”
1864 xp “its too late you can't unvote lol its hammered.”
1865 std (leaves a message like before the possible night?) “i liked this better
T3 check DGB
Kitty check NDMath
but w/e”
1866 cabd («hammered») “I was VT”
1871 enchant about cabd “He is town for 99% now”
1899 vasex about xp “these rather stupid questions remind me the first scummy i found here on forum because of similar questions” (I still agree with that)
1927 kerset suggested the idea to elim Enchant (the t3’s enemy)
1937 std votes kerset
1943 xp says to std that kerset is hard town
1982 t3 about a50/deathnote “the previous slot was pretty towny.” (btw lolwhat? Deathnote said that he would like to elim both cops, and t3 calls him townie)
1989 dgb cant vote this – the claim of cabd
2006 Anya “vasex etine windows(?????) T4 Cabd is my new city list”
2079 Andre “We had a role get run up that claimed 2 different things including a 2-Shot Cop in a game with a claimed 1-Shot Cop and they’re alive?!”
2082 xp “i think t3 had town motiviations despite the messiness tho”
2084 andre “T3 is the most blatant Scum in the game.”
2087 andre “T3 is like OBVIOUS Scum. In fact, it’s so obvious it’s completely painful to me.”
2113 andre “T3 is BLATANT Scum. Blatant.” (after votes to t3 from xp and rathe)
2114 xp “are u drunk andres lol u seem like weird”
2126 xp changes his short-time vote from T3 to Vasex (this is the first vote in new vasex's train)
2176 andres other scums “{DeathNote, SaveTheDragons, Nero Cain, WindowsXP}”
2195 ndmath votes andres and says that t3 can be with these people “Windows T3 Rathe”
2243 andre “Also @Vasex T3 didn’t claim 2-Shot Cop. They claimed N1/N2 Cop. Now, I really hope that they meant to say 2-Shot Cop, but I’m not actually sure. The Claim seems very specific to me.”
2256 std “so is "night 1/night 2" a normal modifier? or are people assuming he meant something else?”
2265 std “i think there's a difference between 2 shot cop and the role T3 claimed”
2268 t3 asks andre “Why an sr on nero?”
2281 stupid questions from std to andre “does scum!Andres admit he hates scum and that's why he's been avoiding this game so much?”
2298 Anya votes Nero
2311 T3 calls Etine like a girl: “Etine's claim was bad but with the wagon on her maes me think she is town.”
2336 Andre about T3 again…
2345 kerset “At the moment i am open for all of {Enchant, Vasex, T3} but i am pretty sure that Enchant is the only one of them that can be realistically eliminated.”
2368 after many votes on vasex t3 says “I hard tr Vasex for pushing likely scum fmpov. So unless I've been pocketed I'm not voting this.”
2369 kerset “Its fine T3! Just follow his lead then.”
2370 t3 votes vasex
2377 bulge: Vasex [9] - WindowsXP, Enchant, Marky Mark, Vasex, Save The Dragons, Kerset, Anastasia, Etine, T3 /// T3 [2] - Rathe, KittyTacky
2385 mark “T3 can you please articulate the thought process behind you going from Town!Vasex to voting him to unvoting him in such a short window? I just don't see how this makes any sense for you as either alignment”
2400 bloodhail “VOTE: T3 vasex votes are bad” and then 2405 “what happened to hard townreading vasex”
2401 Etine votes T3
2406
2422 Anastasia “I think DGB is town”, then in 2425 “I do not think DGB says this if she is mafia.”
2424 windows votes Samantha
2426-2436 windows talks and then the conclusion “People I am wanting to vote in: STD, Etine, CabD, Samantha97”
…some kind of attack from windows to std, I don’t believe it…
2521 Anya against Anastasia
2526 Anya claims mafia
2552 Anya votes Samantha with Windows hp (but she thought he is scum with samantha! Now she is not).
2557 Xp is town for Anya
2615 Enchant votes t3
2624 the attempt of Enchant to consider Etine and T3 are together because of my idea about gender (i dont believe it now, or maybe the percentage is very low)
2635 t3 votes andre
2639 nero “you know who I'd really like to get rid of? DGB.”
2653 Windows votes bloodhail with DrippingGoofball, Anya
2659 dgb “It's just a run-of-the-mill trolling scum” about bloodhail
2667 rathe “k i can vote for T3, dunnstral, deathnote, deep city lights, n cabd”
2672-2690 windows BIG POSTS TO DEFEND T3 (!!!)
2706 Enchant says HMMMMMMM about t3 was 3-4 night Cop in previous game (!!!)
2711 windows agrees to vote Enchant with me (!!!)
2712 DGB defends Enchant
2714, 2719 Enchant votes himself and gives up
2727 samantha votes t3
2732 Anya says bloodhail is afraid to leave the barn a wolf
2734 dgb says enchant will be green
2813 dgb votes t3 making 5 5 “Probability of hitting scum is low.”
2827 mark “Like I wouldn't be crying if we limmed Enchant today but I would peg them as null for me personally and I think we can do better”
2853 bloodhail “almost50 is lock mafia btw, just want that on the record”
2854 a50 tries to attack Enchant too!!!
2867 windows gives up after Anastasia talking and votes Cabd again
2873 Anya votes Andre
2921 DGB looks like he doesn’t like my vote to Cabd
2928 if it is not sarcasm, DGB tries to attack NDMath
2975 mark and kerset voted t3, it became T3 [7] - Rathe, KittyTacky, Etine, samantha97, DrippingGoofball, Marky Mark, Kerset
2978 windows says kerset is mafia!!!
2987 dgb says she can vote andre
2993 kerset shows previous game of t3
2995 xp says he didn’t know about previous role of t3, didnt notice enchant message, and even says about drunk dkkoba!
3000 Anya votes T3
3013 Anya says she also didn’t notice this info (she was in previous game of t3, where he was a 3-4 nights cop, but she died much before that) + A50 and Artemiana were in that game too!!!!
3037 dgb says that t3 did right thing if he is a cop
3053 bloodhail votes t3 “we doing T3, cool”
3065 Enchant votes t3 «I end this hysteria.”

The conclusion:
In the most dangerous moments for t3 his possible partners tried to save him, they were trying to refocus town's attention on other targets: cabd, enchant, bloodhail, even samantha and vasex.
So many scums are here: STD – Windows – Anya – A50 – DGB
This is in priority order. STD is mafia 99%. Windows 80%, Anya 70%. Etc.
Andre considered t3 mafia, but didnt vote him in the end.
A50 promised to hammer somebody, but didnt hammer t3.
If cabd is town, Anastasia can be mafia with ease, though if windows is mafia, he changed his vote from enchant because of her, so probably she is not.

Confirmed townies for me: Samantha, bloodhail, Rathe, Kerset.
Lean town: Etine, Mark, Dunn (?), Cabd (?)
Kitty is the most probable cop, but he still can be a scum, there are some chances.
Lean scum: Andre, Anastasia, Nero, NDMath
Scums: STD, Windows, Anya, A50, DGB (?)

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: WindowsXP

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: T3

why me fry me

your tone is scummy

Early bus'ing.

[DrippingGoofball]

like it doesnt make sense for u to link ur self that heavily to mafia if ur mafia

I have seen it happen. The more brazen players can credibly pull it off.

[DrippingGoofball]

Windows believes kitty much.
Windows believes dgb is not miller and true townie.

Scum miller aka godfather isn't a thing in normals.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think CabD is spewed town, anastasia/Nero/STD/NDmath/A50/Dunn feels like a grouping that has all scum potentially. the only other person i would add there would be Vasex if I absolutely had to based on the rushing nature of their play d1 except when T3 was wagoned. The thing is, Out of the names outside the wagon, I had given concrete reasons about my T3 stance, meaning that I had a genuine thought process about it.


If anyone was bussing on wagon: samantha, Etine, Kerset, Vasex are the pool of 4 ONLY that i would consider there. everyone else is fine.

Explain how these 4 were bus'ing.

[DrippingGoofball]

The best tactic for town's leash is to leash scum to a scum.
So if mafia leashes true cop kitty, why they decide to choose dgb?
Who could be easy in scums or lean scums after t3's death.
Smth interesting here, but we need to understand should we believe kitty at all?

They chose me because I'm useless.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think, mafia doesh't actually need to leash someone. If they find out Cop checking someone, who is mafia member, they simple shot them or prevent check.

They may fear a watcher in a large game especially .

[DrippingGoofball]

If someone can make a slam dunk case for Nero scum, I will switch my vote.

[DrippingGoofball]

FWIW I have zero objections to the DGB check. DGB as a confirmed entity is a great thing in a list like this.

DGB- This is the game where you get your groove back. Even if kicking and screaming all the while.

<3

[DrippingGoofball]

Similar to how dgb is basically clear and im not really paying heed to their reads.

Bless your infinite wisdom.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Andres

[DrippingGoofball]

I would not mind dying today if it means i can be rid of the bad takes

I am waiting for your Nero case.

[DrippingGoofball]

Windows XP help me sheep you.

[DrippingGoofball]

In any case, I’m probably not getting run up here in a short period of time. So maybe I can find some time tomorrow to really get into this. I want to stop commenting until I have a holistic view of the game.

Nero is still Scum though.

I am open to being convinced.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[DrippingGoofball]

doesn't really matter if they're open or closed, the end result should be realizing 2 town cops isn't possible

unless you played a bunch of games with 2 town cops somehow?

Trust me, if Win XP is DkK they're FAKING ignorance.

Put your money where your mouth is then.

VOTE: WindowsXP

[DrippingGoofball]

I hesitate to vote STD because scummy is how he always plays, but I have to reckon he he being scummier than usual.

[DrippingGoofball]

Btw Andre is 100% confirmed scum.
He broke under pressure like scum.
And he said that he has such a problem when he is a scum.
With promising to read, promising to be in game, and absense, absense

VOTE: Andres

[DrippingGoofball]

Std, what do you think about xp?

i think they're hunting i think they're trying to find scum

If anyone can fake this, it's XP.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm gonna make this interesting.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[DrippingGoofball]

Save The Dragons

[6]

- Kerset, bloodhail, Anastasia, Dunnstral, NDMath, Vasex
Dunnstral

[5]

- Rathe, samantha97, Save The Dragons, Almost50, DGB

[DrippingGoofball]

It would be nice to know why Dunnstral is scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't know but it looks right with the wagon compositions

That way of looking at wagons never panned out for me and I abandoned it back in 1971 when we were playing mafia with walkie talkies.

[DrippingGoofball]

It would be nice to know why Dunnstral is scum.

read dunnstral n save the dragon n tell me if it feels genuine or fake

I read them both and they both sound fake. Is there anything more?

[DrippingGoofball]

Fwiw if Vasex continues to just lowkey discredit/flame me I'm just gonna lock my vote on him for D2 and not engage with him.

I read him in case he has a good idea, but he has so many ideas that there is no point wasting time trying to counter them all. Let him flame away, no one seems to care.

[DrippingGoofball]

@STD

Who is scum now?

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Nero Cain vibe check

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: WindowsXP

[DrippingGoofball]

Okay @Rathe, I’ve read closer. I understand your skepticism. I think there’s good reasons to SR XP here. I might have been wrong there.

Vote!

[DrippingGoofball]

Okay @Rathe, I’ve read closer. I understand your skepticism. I think there’s good reasons to SR XP here. I might have been wrong there.

Vote!

I think there’s Scummier players this game. Like Nero.

VOTE: Nero

[DrippingGoofball]

could i interest anyone in a dunnstral wagon

I like the current 4 v. 4.

[DrippingGoofball]

Wagon composition.

That's rubbish "6 degress of separation" scumhunting, it never stands to scrutiny.

[DrippingGoofball]

but yeah I think instead of making a whole point about how you wouldn’t hammer because it should self-resolve mechanically, you probably take the Town cred and execute T3 there

Making assumptions about "WindowsXP"'s play is a big mistake.

[DrippingGoofball]

Three deaths, and Dunnstral!scum.

Today is going to be lit.

Are there missed kills Night 1?

[DrippingGoofball]

I think the Vig shot at Dunn who was being “protected” by Etine, which is why they died too. That would be my explanation. And then the Scum shot Kerset. If I had to guess.

This makes sense. But we need to find out if the vig's shot was successful on Night 1 or not (if the shot was available).

[DrippingGoofball]

This here is a key fork in the road.

Save The Dragons [5] - Kerset, bloodhail, Anastasia, Dunnstral, NDMath
Dunnstral [4] - Rathe, samantha97, Save The Dragons, Almost50
Nero Cain [3] - Andresvmb, WindowsXP, DrippingGoofball
Andresvmb [2] - Nero Cain, Vasex
WindowsXP [1] - Etine

NDmath made this post viewtopic.php?p=12745139#p12745139 where he wrote:

Convinced by the arguments on this slot more than on nero or Windows.
VOTE: Dragons.

With this vote, NDmath raised STD's tally from 4 to 5. That looks bad for NDmath.

A bit later, A50 raised Dunn's tally from 3 to 4, making it ahead of the Nero wagon. That looks very good for A50.

[DrippingGoofball]

So.

Dunn is neighbored with a player should now be conftown.

He is a traitor, but an informed traitor, he knows who his partners are, but they don't know who he is. He is looking for signals from his team.

IMAGINE HOW HARD DUNNSTRAL TWITCHED WHEN HE READ THIS:

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

How so?

Because here is his known scumpal T3 being accused of being a traitor by WindowsXP.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't know if my heart could handle another taylor swift traitor event.

Now now

The scum

probably

doesn't know whether the traitor is informed or not.

Here is Cabd "handling" a Taylor Swift traitor event with his heart.

[DrippingGoofball]

do we actually know what information dunn had?

Minimally, your team mates' identities.

[DrippingGoofball]

You know, I was pretty sure I was going to be walking into the thread, and voting you before I saw what happened in my absence.

Now? I'm not really sure. I need a few hours to think about what went down around the kitty wagon and re-read the key players, as well as

think about the T3 traitor angle

stuff.

A filler post that ends in

"thinking about the t3 traitor ANGLE."

[DrippingGoofball]

but on an unrelated note

u feel uninformed

so i think i can tr u too

Posts that make you go

[DrippingGoofball]

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

What are the chances...

...that scum thought WindowsXP!town was the traitor?
...that WindowsXP!scum was bringing up the topic of traitors to give the traitor an opportunity to manifest itself?

If scum thought WindowsXP!town was the traitor, then scum must have defended WindowsXP as their possible partner.

Remember how laboriously WindowsXP defended T3?

We might need to yeet Windows for the info.

[DrippingGoofball]

quick to come to their defense aren't you

VOTE: T3

i have a mechanics question for you: how many wolves are usually in a neighbourhood of 4?

lmap what the fuck i remembered someone mentioned a neighborhood early and went to look it up

is this why anya was killed?

Good catch.

[DrippingGoofball]

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

Getting back to this.

Scum probably would never have voted WindowsXP after this "traitor" bit.

[DrippingGoofball]

All of Day 1, no votes for WindowsXP.

These are the players that voted for WindowsXP on Day 2.

WindowsXP [4] -

DrippingGoofball, bloodhail, Etine, Vasex

Between WindowsXP's traitor prompts and defense of T3, their time is up.

VOTE: WindowsXP

[DrippingGoofball]

I doubt there's another protective as that would allow a chain of protection between the babysitter and the hypothetical second protective.

A second protective, if they exist, could be gated.

[DrippingGoofball]

I really do think NDMath and Nero for instance are much more obvious ones.

They will get their day in court but no player has been more traitor-feeling and scumpal-denfending than Windows.

[DrippingGoofball]

Like given the pressure on Dunn yesterday, the counter wagon was definitely heavy on Scum. There’s no real reason to execute outside of it just yet I guess is my thinking.

Save The Dragons [10] - Kerset, bloodhail, Anastasia,

Dunnstral

, NDMath, Nero Cain,

Etine

, KittyTacky, Vasex, Enchant

[ELIMINATION]

The players in bold are obviously suspicious, however, 5 remain alive. I'd prioritize NDmath, Nero and maybe even Enchant in that lot.

[DrippingGoofball]

Like given the pressure on Dunn yesterday, the counter wagon was definitely heavy on Scum. There’s no real reason to execute outside of it just yet I guess is my thinking.

There are ample reasons to yeet Windows.

[DrippingGoofball]

Can you trust me for one second here?

I need more convincing arguments than those you've offered. My mind is open.

[DrippingGoofball]

In other news, I am still down with a vasex wagon and him pushing town yesterday only makes me want this more. Objectively, he's defended a maf PR d1 until their elim was looking unavoidable and then pushed town d2.

You saw my list. I would happily execute amongst {Nero, Vasex, NDMath}. That’s my preferred pool. If folks think XP is Scum I really can’t blame them. XP’s list of votes is terrible, there’s no way around that. They’ve pushed Enchant as an alternative to T3, defended T3 aggressively, did not vote for Dunn (who we know is Scum now), and attacked a laundry list of Town or probable Town D1 (Etine, samantha97, DGB}. But, they did have votes out for T3, Vasex, made an early argument against them, and also suspected NDMath (who I think is suspect), and called Kerset hard Town for example (1943). I think we’re giving them a lot of grief over their perceived overt defense of T3, and that’s entirely reasonable, but we might not be looking at the overall (mixed) picture. But again, it’s never straightforward so, I don’t want to pretend like it is here.

I don't disagree, but there are too many questions re:Windows and we really need that flip.

[DrippingGoofball]

I obviously think there's a very good chance Windows will flip scum.

It seems to me that the game crowd vibes with similar scumreads, so we're basically talking about order of priority at this point.

[DrippingGoofball]

a nero lim is better and would also be quite telling ref XP's slot too.

Could you expand a bit on that?

[DrippingGoofball]

What if T3 claimed 1-shot bulletproof before discussing it with his team.

What if T3's team panicked expecting the actual traitor to
counterclaim, or be vastly confused?

[DrippingGoofball]

That makes no sense. The Traitor knows who the Scum are. If they had a hood, then they would just out there and it would be like they aren’t a Traitor.

I hadn't thought of that. It makes a lot of sense.

[DrippingGoofball]

I support the neighbors claiming.

[DrippingGoofball]

XP's claim refusal tantrum is scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

XP's claim refusal tantrum is scum.

how?

Read my sig.

[DrippingGoofball]

im not claiming out of spite yeah, but it isnt alignment indicative

It absolutely is alignment-indicative.

[DrippingGoofball]

like i legit give my very honest reasoning as to why i thought t3 was legit and somehow im magically scum from that?

get real.

In conjunction with your early comments about there being a traitor.

If it wasn't you sending out feelers about traitors, then who was it?

[DrippingGoofball]

like i legit give my very honest reasoning as to why i thought t3 was legit and somehow im magically scum from that?

get real.

In conjunction with your early comments about there being a traitor.

If it wasn't you sending out feelers about traitors, then who was it?

so you think - i told t3 in scum chat to claim 1 shot bp and then get him wagoned for it?

No, I literally said that T3 made this claim without his team's approval.

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UNVOTE: XP,

Please read the game from the beginning and give me your theory about how the scum and the traitor were sending each other smoke signals and feelers.

I am unvoting to give you the time.

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did they already know ? lol

The traitor was informed, he knew his buddies. The buddies did not know the traitor. The more seasoned scum might have tacitly assumed that the traitor had BP. Or not.

Help solve that puzzle please.

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Windows, when can I expect an answer to my question?

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Windows, when can I expect an answer to my question?

i dont need to be the one to do the research, i am burned out on this game and i need to come back with a refreshed mindset.

there are >10 other players here, go bother them for it

Uncurious about the game solve, that's a scum claim.

VOTE: WindowsXP

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What simple fruit vendor do? Giving fruits for vanilla?

A kind of vanilla cop

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So we have 2 vanilla cops, in a way.

Hmmmm

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You won't answer my question, but you sure are blah-blah-ing about lots of nonsense.

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I told you I unvoted you to give you time to answer my question, and you won't.

So the vote is back.

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ok well i give up bc if this town is gonna have DGB as clear and never dying bc scum know their reads are oftentimes flawed and manipulated easily its gonnna be a town loss at this point so.

Remember that game where I was town and you manipulated me so skillfully that I became scum MVP?

If I townread you, I wouldn't trust it.

I certainly learned that I cannot judge you on "tone" which is why I am only looking at your actions and their results, even ignoring possible motive.

I am purty sho that you were sending out feelers to the traitor, and your steadfast refusal to address this, or offer credible alternatives seals the deal for me.

You keep changing the subject.

You really don't want us to poke at traitor/scumteam overt communications.

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You have my blessing, amen.

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VOTE: Nero

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My mind would have to be changed significantly tho to vote outside Vasex/NDMath today

VOTE: NDmath

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VOTE: Cabd

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I would rather go NDMath than Cabd at this point.

VOTE: NDMath

I'm not sure about Cabd's alignment but I think NDMath has done shadier things this game on a whole.

Can you expand on this? I'm torn between the two.

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UNVOTE:

awaiting vote count.

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Still wondering, why town need two roles for searching mafia PRs who can fake Vanilla, which is very niche thing.

Right, remind me of details please.

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I dont believe Andre

It seems like too baroque a claim to just make up.

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Now - if the claim is true, it doesn't mean it's town.

But if I had to claim this role, I would worry about the reaction regardless of alignment.

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Cabd has 5 votes.VOTE: NDmath for healthy competition.

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No one has admitted to being a roleblocker.

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Cabd has 5 votes.VOTE: NDmath for healthy competition.

And there was I thinking I rhyme with DGB for once.

We do rhyme but I wanted to see who would pile on which player.

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I just woke up.

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Thank you Bulger, and good game scum team!