Mafia 85 - Murder at the Bus Stop (game over)

Xtoxm · Post Post #142 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:57 am

Managed to get internet access a whole week earlier than I was expecting to!

Confirm

Xtoxm · Post Post #217 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:07 pm

ARMLX is SCUM. He is ALWAYS scum.

Vote Armlx

Xtoxm · Post Post #220 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:43 pm

Huuuuh??!?!!?

What are you on about...I hope you didn't referencce some ongoing game.

You get banned....

I vote you cos you scum.

Die Scum!!!

Xtoxm · Post Post #222 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:06 pm

That's a serious accusation, you know. I have no vendetta's less i'm Vig. Heh.

Nice try at deflection scum!!

Xtoxm · Post Post #224 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:35 pm

Claim: Day Cop

Guilty on Armlx

Ehh, i'm just pissing with you lol...

Xtoxm · Post Post #227 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:40 pm

He wishes.

Xtoxm · Post Post #525 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:53 am

Sorry for abscence. Quite busy atm. I'll try to get back to daily posting now that i've got access, and a standard timetable.

Without much looking through the thread:

Fos Jebus
Fos Armlx
Vote Shanba

Mod: not counted, unvote first

I'll try to read the thread and give some opinions at some point.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Slicey (11): Wall-E, Shanba, armlx, Surye, farside22, Riceballtail, Moratorium, Empking, BlakAdder, Alabaska J, al4xz
Surye (2): Demon Pineapple, Sir Tornado
Empking (2): RestFermata, Slicey
Wall-E (1): Mana_Ku
farside22 (1): martin413
armlx (1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1): killa seven

Not voting (6): Azuma, Cream147, Slepz, ace1217, Megatheory, Jebus

With 25 alive it's 13 to lynch.

Xtoxm · Post Post #528 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:31 am

Jebus - One of her posts where she made an excuse for not posting struck me kinda like scum wanting an excuse.

Armlx - I feel his buddying to me is not genuine, his reaction around my joke was a bit odd.

Shanba - Saw a few of his posts, and I can't really explain but I just found him scummy.

Xtoxm · Post Post #533 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:49 am

Uhh...The recent ones. The ones I read, basically.

I thought you were legitmately trying to carry on a vendetta with respect to the joke. I'm not going to discuss the matter more for obvious reasons.

That has nothing to do with my point, as far as I can see.

And I will say this: What you are thinking of has nothing to do with any vendetta. My play in whatever game you are thinking of is/was genuine.

Xtoxm · Post Post #534 (isolation #9) » Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:50 am

Forgot to respond to WE.

No not really, it is just that i'm finding him scummy, but i'm not entirely sure why.

Xtoxm · Post Post #551 (isolation #10) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:24 am

We DO still have two days to discuss Slicey's lynch, so I want everyone to give their opinion on whether or not they think Slicey is scum.

I have no opinion on Slicey at this point. If i've read anything of his, it has not stood out to me in either direction. Given the nature of this wagon, and the fact he has apparantly claimed to be a townie, I would say he is most likely to be town, at this point.

Xtoxm · Post Post #553 (isolation #11) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:27 am

When a quick wagon springs up like this on Day One, and they claim townie, the suspect is more often than not telling the truth.

Xtoxm · Post Post #554 (isolation #12) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:55 am

I should be working.

Instead, I decided to take a look at Slicey's posts.

I have not seen the cases made, but I saw nothing I found scummy, and I get pretty much a standard town read from him.

Why is he so popular, out of interest?

Xtoxm · Post Post #556 (isolation #13) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:03 am

I checked this "case".

I fail to see how anyone could draw that conclusion.

I am now officially against this wagon.

Xtoxm · Post Post #562 (isolation #14) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:11 am

The three I named are my best attempts thus far.

Please try to understand I have read only about, 10% of the thread at this moment, and I don't have full knowledge of what's going on.

WE - I have not read said case. I viewed their posts by isolation. I'll take a look for it.

Xtoxm · Post Post #563 (isolation #15) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:12 am

RestFermata wrote:Wait, yeah. You said Shanba, that's right, xtoxm. But have you figured out why yet?

I have not. Something just didn't feal right when I read some of his posts.

Xtoxm · Post Post #564 (isolation #16) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:18 am

Well that was a headache. WE, I could not find the case you mention. Please link. I don't necessarily think Slicey's case is good, but I certainly don't find it scummy, is my current thought.

WE, if you're vote on Slicey was not a joke vote, then it is terribly poor reasoning.

Xtoxm · Post Post #565 (isolation #17) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:33 am

Your isolation posts 30-34 were the ones I didn't like.

Xtoxm · Post Post #628 (isolation #18) » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:51 am

So looks like nothing's going to change.

Unvote Vote Jebus

Biggest other wagon.

You should all totally follow this wagon, guys.

Xtoxm · Post Post #632 (isolation #19) » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:57 am

I thought it was. There's 3 on 2 votes. Anyhow, I prefer Jebus atm. I FOSed her. I didn't the others. Thus, a better home for my vote.

Xtoxm · Post Post #634 (isolation #20) » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:03 am

I'm glad you think the same. Care to move your vote?

I actually thought it was tomorrow btw, this confused me:

Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: 625

Tomorrow afternoon. 9PM GMT I think is 2EST?

But yeh, still think Slicey's town.

Xtoxm · Post Post #645 (isolation #21) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:15 pm

I think we should lynch someone who voted Slicey today.

Not sure where to place my vote yet. Still need to read up, I guess. I'll think about it.

Xtoxm · Post Post #647 (isolation #22) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:21 pm

What, is that meant as some kind of stab at me? Because I never voted Slicey.

And anyone who left looks better in my eyes. Slicey was a poor lynch.

Xtoxm · Post Post #650 (isolation #23) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:32 pm

Farside: Not too hot on a Jebus lynch right now. Only really voted her because I didn't want Slicey lynched.

WE - Yeh, lynching townies is a good idea, isn't it? Are you saying you'd lynch someone 100% just because you thought that they wouldn't be useful in catching scum?

Mod edit
Votecount:
Jebus (1): farside22

Not voting (21): Xtoxm, Megatheory, al4xz, Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Surye, armlx, Alabaska J, springlullaby, Shanba, BlakAdder, Cream147, Jebus, Riceballtail, Slepz, Wall-E, Empking, Muerrto, killa seven, Zazier

Xtoxm · Post Post #651 (isolation #24) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:32 pm

*100% clear

Xtoxm · Post Post #652 (isolation #25) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:35 pm

Anyway.

I think this might be a good option.

Vote RBT

Xtoxm · Post Post #654 (isolation #26) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:46 pm

All he has done is lurk and vote Slicey. I see no attempt to scumhunt either.

Xtoxm · Post Post #656 (isolation #27) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:49 pm

RBT, claim.

Xtoxm · Post Post #659 (isolation #28) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:56 pm

Hello Muerrto.

What did you think of the Slicey lynch?

Xtoxm · Post Post #672 (isolation #29) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:57 pm

What makes you think i'm scum?

What makes you think RBT is town?

Xtoxm · Post Post #674 (isolation #30) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:19 am

I expect that from you...

Xtoxm · Post Post #676 (isolation #31) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:47 am

Wall-E wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:WE - Are you saying you'd lynch someone 100% just because you thought that they wouldn't be useful in catching scum?
No.

It was the direct implication of what I was responding to.

I fail to see how I am in any way being shcitzophrenic.

Xtoxm · Post Post #680 (isolation #32) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:38 am

Im not interested in a Cream wagon at this point.

Armlx, what you think of RBT?

Xtoxm · Post Post #687 (isolation #33) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:41 am

I'd assume 5 man team in this game.

Xtoxm · Post Post #712 (isolation #34) » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:30 am

Bus Driver is a role, check the wiki or Mikeburnfire's site.

Xtoxm · Post Post #721 (isolation #35) » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:21 am

Probably the same thing I saw. My suspicions of Shanba have waned, for the moment.

Xtoxm · Post Post #760 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:08 pm

I was unimpressed by Muertto's catch up post.

Xtoxm · Post Post #765 (isolation #37) » Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:51 am

I am sorry if you feel offended by me Muerrto, that is just my opinion on it.

I can try to say some of what I didn't like specifically if you like.

One of the main things, I did not like how you acted in regards to Alex at all.

Xtoxm · Post Post #768 (isolation #38) » Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:17 am

What I meant was finding it scummy. I'll look through it again and give more detail. Who knows, my opinion might even change.

Xtoxm · Post Post #777 (isolation #39) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:14 am

Cream looks like Armlx is going for his mislynch to me.

Muerrto, plan to look at your post tonight.

Xtoxm · Post Post #779 (isolation #40) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:58 am

As much as i've looked at you this game, I can't see you being town.

Though ever since my first game with you, I don't think i've ever a) Seen you be town, b) Gotten a town read from you...

Basically, i'm not ruling out the possibility you can be town, but i'm not seeing it.

Xtoxm · Post Post #781 (isolation #41) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:26 am

I don't see how I can elaborate any more than that.

Xtoxm · Post Post #787 (isolation #42) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:28 am

Hmm...Drop the "I think".

Xtoxm · Post Post #789 (isolation #43) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:45 am

Conjecture.

Xtoxm · Post Post #791 (isolation #44) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:21 am

I'm a mathmetician...

In mathematics, a conjecture is a mathematical statement which appears likely to be true, but has not been formally proven to be true under the rules of mathematical logic.

Xtoxm · Post Post #793 (isolation #45) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:23 am

I still have that Day Cop result...

Xtoxm · Post Post #796 (isolation #46) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:32 am

I've pretty much not been serious since post 787, but I am finding him scummy.

Xtoxm · Post Post #799 (isolation #47) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:30 am

Wasn't expecting that from Surye. Perhaps his wagon has more potential than I originally thought.

Xtoxm · Post Post #808 (isolation #48) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:41 pm

Thankyou RF

Sorry Muerrto - Got a bit frustrated at the wagon springing up on me, and didn't have the patience to look through your post...Will try again tonight. Can't right now as i'm on a gap in classes.

Xtoxm · Post Post #810 (isolation #49) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:42 am

Because the way he voted me for making a joke looks horribly scummy, looks like he's just trying to find a scapegoat to deflect attention away from his wagon, and not actually scumhunt, which is something scum wants to do.

Xtoxm · Post Post #812 (isolation #50) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:45 am

If you want my vote so bad you can have it.

Unvote Vote Surye

Xtoxm · Post Post #814 (isolation #51) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:50 am

Yeh, i'm town, so that's bullshit.

Xtoxm · Post Post #818 (isolation #52) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:49 am

Tox, I'm fine with you using gut to justify a post, however I don't like it as an out. It still requires work. For a start, I believe it's generally possible to quantify which posts strike you the wrong way. Please do so.

It's really just a general feel i've gotten off him. He just seems like scum. I don't think I can really explain much more than that.

and was already laying down the foundations for my lynch yesterday when it seemed Slicey was a definite goner and at least parts of popular opinion might be against me (tox and ala had both indicated recently that they thought I was suspicious).

So was I. I wanted to try and avoid the lynch of someone I thought was town. I no longer think of you as scum, btw. I've had a turnaround on you.

FoS: al4xz, btw. ^ up there was pretty damn scummy

What?

I haven't seen anything scummy from him all game.

Especially if tox turns up scum.

Whaaa?

This implies both that you consider it possible i'm scum, and that i'm going to die soon. I don't like.

Xtoxm · Post Post #820 (isolation #53) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:22 am

Yes, I think that largely it was. Plus, you're looking pretty good today, imo.

Xtoxm · Post Post #822 (isolation #54) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:24 am

I was wondering why you were holding back on doing that.

Xtoxm · Post Post #824 (isolation #55) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:29 am

I have explained why. Why don't you read it?

Xtoxm · Post Post #827 (isolation #56) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:52 am

Wall-E wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:I still have that Day Cop result...
I don't get this post. Did you intend it as a joke, Xtoxm?

Yes.

Was kinda hoping the post where I said I was joking would convey that...

Xtoxm · Post Post #831 (isolation #57) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:15 am

I'll give you the other two, but I haven't been all over the place. I believe i've been quite clear about who I do and don't suspect.

Xtoxm · Post Post #833 (isolation #58) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:22 am

This wagon is pathetic.

Xtoxm · Post Post #835 (isolation #59) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:30 am

The guy who tried to prevent yesterday's mislynch must be scum.

Xtoxm · Post Post #837 (isolation #60) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:36 am

That's not the part I disputed. I have been clear on where my suspicions lie, I never disputed that I haven't been clear on why.

Xtoxm · Post Post #839 (isolation #61) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:37 am

Who do you think I am talking about?

Xtoxm · Post Post #841 (isolation #62) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:46 am

so trying to stop a lynch on a townie is more of a scumtell than a town tell (within reason)...?

No, that's completely ridiculous.

Enough people believed in the Slicey lynch that he hung. Are you now saying that you presented enough evidence to derail the bandwagon and were ignored?

Possibly...

I see you decrying the lynch, but you hardly made an effort to fight it down.

Yes, I did.

Don't try to tell me what I have and haven't done, thanks.

Xtoxm · Post Post #843 (isolation #63) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:56 am

Being scum is a scumtell, so you can't talk.

Xtoxm · Post Post #848 (isolation #64) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:40 am

You clearly haven't been reading the thread.

Xtoxm · Post Post #850 (isolation #65) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:41 am

No.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Surye (4): springlullaby, Riceballtail, Muerrto, Xtoxm
Xtoxm (3): Surye, armlx, al4xz
Cream147 (2): Empking, BlakAdder
Jebus (2): farside22, Shanba
Sir T. (1): Wall-E

Not voting (10): Megatheory, Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Alabaska J, Cream147, Jebus, Slepz, killa seven, Zazier

With 22 alive it's 12 to lynch.

Xtoxm · Post Post #852 (isolation #66) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:43 am

That's not all you missed.

Xtoxm · Post Post #854 (isolation #67) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:44 am

Not really.

Xtoxm · Post Post #856 (isolation #68) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:46 am

I wasn't expecting you not to be.

Xtoxm · Post Post #858 (isolation #69) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:50 am

How am I playing "badly"?

Xtoxm · Post Post #861 (isolation #70) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:51 am

And sorry Muerrto, I don't plan on spending time going through your post in this situation where i'm being wagoned. Apologies.

Xtoxm · Post Post #862 (isolation #71) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:51 am

Wall-E wrote:Your post 856 scans like a teenage girl in a tantrum, as to several others before it.

I wasn't asking you.

Xtoxm · Post Post #864 (isolation #72) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:54 am

No, I just feel this wagon on me is silly and undeserved...

Xtoxm · Post Post #867 (isolation #73) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:57 am

What reactions?

Xtoxm · Post Post #869 (isolation #74) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:59 am

Xtoxm wrote:And sorry Muerrto, I don't plan on spending time going through your post in this situation where i'm being wagoned. Apologies.

To clarify, this is because i'm to frustrated too, rather than anything else one might assume. I was unclear.

Xtoxm · Post Post #870 (isolation #75) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:59 am

Surye wrote:
Wall-E wrote:Your post 856 scans like a teenage girl in a tantrum, as to several others before it.

No, the wagon was already intact before that.

Xtoxm · Post Post #871 (isolation #76) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:00 pm

Surye wrote:
Wall-E wrote:Your post 856 scans like a teenage girl in a tantrum, as to several others before it.

And, be that as it may, since when is that a scumtell?

Xtoxm · Post Post #873 (isolation #77) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:03 pm

As far as i'm aware, there is nothing i've failed to respond to.

My vote was not OMGUS, I explained it when I placed it.

Xtoxm · Post Post #875 (isolation #78) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:07 pm

Now you bring it up, it wasn't in the same post that I gave reasons, it was a couple before that...I'll go find it...That was just the tip, I think something you said pissed me off or summit...

Mod edit
Votecount:
Surye (4): springlullaby, Riceballtail, Muerrto, Xtoxm
Xtoxm (3): Surye, armlx, al4xz
Jebus (2): farside22, Shanba
Cream147 (2): Empking, BlakAdder
Sir T. (1): Wall-E

Not voting (10): Megatheory, Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Alabaska J, Cream147, Jebus, Slepz, killa seven, Zazier

With 22 alive it's 12 to lynch.

Xtoxm · Post Post #877 (isolation #79) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:08 pm

Xtoxm wrote:Because the way he voted me for making a joke looks horribly scummy, looks like he's just trying to find a scapegoat to deflect attention away from his wagon, and not actually scumhunt, which is something scum wants to do.

Xtoxm · Post Post #878 (isolation #80) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:11 pm

Surye wrote:
Surye wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:Because the way he voted me for making a joke looks horribly scummy, looks like he's just trying to find a scapegoat to deflect attention away from his wagon, and not actually scumhunt, which is something scum wants to do.
Oh, I find testing the waters with a vote and a harsh, direct accusation, only to fall back to a joke when it was ill-received to be quite justifiably scummy.
And your vote was in response to my case against you, which I fail to find any response to. :/ That's pretty much scum-OMGUS?

I did not "fall back", it was a "joke" from the start.

Xtoxm · Post Post #881 (isolation #81) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:12 pm

You are basically accusing me of a lie, and it's word against word. There is nothing more I can say about it than that.

Xtoxm · Post Post #882 (isolation #82) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:14 pm

I said something which basically meant armlx was 100% confirmed scum. How can that be percieved as a serious comment? At this stage, in this situation, atleast?

Xtoxm · Post Post #884 (isolation #83) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:20 pm

Well, what do you expect when armlx asked me the silly question that he did?

Xtoxm · Post Post #886 (isolation #84) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:24 pm

That is genuine.

Xtoxm · Post Post #887 (isolation #85) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:25 pm

Anything before my post 787 I think it was, you can take as genuine.

Xtoxm · Post Post #898 (isolation #86) » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:52 am

I know you're insulting me here, but I can't help but feel good you've stopped pushing this wagon.

Xtoxm · Post Post #899 (isolation #87) » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:30 am

Muerrto:

Vote: Al4xz

lynching someone for lurking alone is simply bad, period

and OMG the lurker discussion KEEPS going on and on and on...

I did not like this at all. In my early games, I always pretty much fully supported any lurker lynch. And it is not a scumtell. Often scum lurk, I find.

Lynching someone for lukring alone is not simply bad, in fact i'd say it's often a very good reason on it's own.

I don't know what you're on about with your pot/kettle stuff, or why you gave out those minuses...

I really, really hate knowing Tornado's town because his constant relying on meta of HIMSELF is soooo bad, omg ANOTHER post about your meta with link quotes to other games? dude, meta does not clear you, period.

I find meta is sometimes the best thing to form a read on. Not always, ofcourse, but sometimes.

Shanba comments on meta, the problem is meta'ing YOURSELF is bad, it sounds like you're trying to convince everyone you can't be scum if you act a certain way, why would town have to convince anyone? minus for you since if you're scum you know Tornado is town

Why is it bad to meta yourself?

I have in the past stated that i'm obvtown by my standards when i've been town.

This Slicey lynch is horrible. People say he acted scummy, where, quote it, people say he got people's hackles up, where, quote it, there are NO quotes in these posts people, this is bad, town should've noticed this, bad lynch

<3

plus?

Wall-E and Al4xz both distancing Surye? Hm... maybe I wrote off Wall-E too much, but Al4xz saying it and FoS'ing him RIGHT after Wall...

Not seeing Alex scum at all. Think Wall also looks town. Surye i'm unsure about.

So really I guess it was just mainly your comments on Alex that made me dislike you, the rest seems ok.

Xtoxm · Post Post #902 (isolation #88) » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:01 am

Not if you can back it up by proving your meta.

Xtoxm · Post Post #904 (isolation #89) » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:14 am

No, it's not easy to control your own tells at all. I have personal experience of this.

Xtoxm · Post Post #909 (isolation #90) » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:35 am

Was he lurking or not playing? Obv not playing since he posted to confirm and to random vote, that's it. So how do you differentiate?

You can usually tell...

Because as scum wouldn't you have motivation to LIE and try and meta yourself town? Meta'ing yourself is like saying 'Well I act like this as town and this as scum so since I'm acting like this I must be town.' WIFOM anyone?

The hard part is playing to your meta. Xtoxm-Scum plays by trying to mimick Xtoxm-Town. He has a very hard time doing this, and usually fails. Have you ever looked at your on play in a game, and think, yeh, i'm obvscum here, by my meta. I have.

Huge plus that you were about the only one who saw how bad the lynch was. I'm still waiting for my quoted day 1 'case'.

Sounds like the waiting is directed at someone else, but just to confirm, you're not expecting it anyhthing from me here?

What makes you see either Al4xz or Wall as town?

Well to me they really just look like they are pro-town to be honest. I'm not sure how to explain it much better than that. And although I think Wall is misled in several areas, he does look like town imo.

Do you start with everyone town and just haven't seen anything scummy yet? I guess I kind of start with everyone in the middle and watch which way they slide based on their actions.

No, yeh I do the same thing as you really, and yeh people kinda slide one way or the other. (Except with some people such as armlx who start as scum and have to work their way out

)

Al4xz and Surye fell off the other side.

Lol.

Really can't see Alex being scum, i'd be quite surprised if he was. Surye might be. Not sure about him atm. Some stuff looks ok some stuff looks dodgy.

Xtoxm · Post Post #910 (isolation #91) » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:37 am

Although, thinking about it, Surye is giving this game a lot of attention. I'd rather go after one of the scummier lurkers personally, although for some reason people never endorse lurker lynches until, like, lylo.

Xtoxm · Post Post #914 (isolation #92) » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:02 am

Unvote

Xtoxm · Post Post #947 (isolation #93) » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:25 pm

There are too many people absent from this game, and I don't feel like attacking anyone who's active right now.

Vote K7

Xtoxm · Post Post #951 (isolation #94) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:22 am

Because he always lurks to endgame and everyone refuses to lynch him, because "lynching lurkers is bad", and it's ridiculous.

Xtoxm · Post Post #953 (isolation #95) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:24 am

You think it makes him more likely to be town?

Xtoxm · Post Post #957 (isolation #96) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:33 am

I don't think anyone active is scummy enough to warrant being lynched right now.

So even if it's a guess, I think this is a good way to go.

Plus, it'll mkae the game more active if non-participaters die.

Xtoxm · Post Post #959 (isolation #97) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:34 am

armlx wrote:
You think it makes him more likely to be town?
That's not an excuse. What makes any of the other lurkers any different.

OH wait, I made a case on Cream. Hmm....

Cream is legitimately V/LA, and some of the stuff he said prior to that struck me as town.

Xtoxm · Post Post #960 (isolation #98) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:34 am

Yay a deadline.

Xtoxm · Post Post #961 (isolation #99) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:39 am

And people are doing it again.

I don't get why everyone refuses to consider someone who practically refuses to participate for a lynch.

Xtoxm · Post Post #965 (isolation #100) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:05 am

Well I don't remember what exactly, I just remember thinking it.

Xtoxm · Post Post #969 (isolation #101) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:10 am

No, he was active and then had RL problems. And he said he'll get back to normal soon.

Xtoxm · Post Post #972 (isolation #102) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:17 am

Cream, what do you think of my case on K7?

Xtoxm · Post Post #987 (isolation #103) » Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:15 pm

They don't.

Xtoxm · Post Post #995 (isolation #104) » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:04 am

killa seven wrote:
BlakAdder wrote:
killa seven wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:There are too many people absent from this game, and I don't feel like attacking anyone who's active right now.

Vote K7
the point is to hunt scum, the whole not wanting to attack active people is dumb, if they look scummy you should go after them, this seems like a lazy ass vote to me.
Fine talk coming from a chronic lurker. Besides that, this just seems like an OMGUS without the vote.
It's not omgus, me and x go threw this alot, when he cant make a case on someone he votes me and calls it lurker vote, x has never played with me as scum, in fact we have been lovers in another game and we night talked and knows exactly how i play.

But tell me him saying "i dont want to vote for someone active" doesnt sound like i dont feel like making a case but im tryna look active.

That may be true.

And yes, i'm well aware of your playstyle and I explicity stated it's not a scumtell.

However, if i'm not seeing scum in the active players (as such) it increases the likelihood of a lurker being scum.

And it pisses me off that you always lurk to endgame and i'm lynched D1 half the time.

Xtoxm · Post Post #998 (isolation #105) » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:07 am

I'm not repeating myself just because you can't be bothered to read the thread.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:27 am

Neither.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:51 am

I do not intend to repeat.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:06 pm

Wow, wasn't expecting that from you...

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:07 pm

What is your problem with it?

How is he not as good a lurker vote as any?

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:18 pm

V/LA makes someone who consisently lurks as scum not be a scumtell.

See me in Cow's Polygamist, if you want to dispute that.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:03 pm

I can't point t out but I remember him saying and I checked and it was all his games.

Xtoxm · Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:08 am

Seriously, why the fuck do we have to lynch an active player...

Xtoxm · Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:32 pm

No, this wagon is good.

Xtoxm · Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:55 am

Xtoxm · Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:37 am

Less than 12 hours after my previous post...

Mod edit
Votecount:
killa seven (8): Xtoxm, al4xz, farside22, Surye, armlx, Wall-E, BlakAdder, Cream147
Surye (3): springlullaby, Riceballtail, Muerrto
Cream147 (1): Empking
Jebus (1): Shanba
Xtoxm (1): Alabaska J

Not voting (8): Megatheory, Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Slepz, killa seven, Zazier, Jebus

With 22 alive it's 12 to lynch.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:58 am

Ok, I know I might get some stick for getting doc lynched there, but he wasn't contributing, and he never claimed, he could have done when it became evident he was going to be lnched by the deadline rules.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:01 am

I don't like AJ's last post at all. It looks like he's just looking for an excuse to add himself to my wagon. And he's started to lurk recently, which is unlike him. Until then I was finding him town, but I think this is the best i've got right now.

Vote AJ

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:22 am

By my count

Azuma
Gremwell
Slepz
Zazier

All need replacing. There's gotta be atleast one scum here, i'm sure...

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:38 am

Yeh, K7 should be lynch immune in all games.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Alabaska J (2): Xtoxm, Jebus

Not voting (17): kuribo, Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, al4xz, farside22, Surye, armlx, Wall-E, BlakAdder, Cream147, springlullaby, Riceballtail, Muerrto, Alabaska J

With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:39 am

That crap defense by Kuribe makes me think he's scum trying to sound good by attacking the mislynch.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:43 am

That's a scumslip right there. He just admits to knowing i'm town, because if I was scum then the K7 lynch was a massive sucess.

Unvote Vote Kuribo

Still think AJ would be a good scum pick, though.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:47 am

He just said I failed when I got K7 lynched, but it's only a fail for townies.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:00 pm

I didn't fail, I still think he was a good lynch.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:03 pm

Anyway, you've already been caught in a lie by trying to get me lynched while at the same time accidently acknowedging you know i'm town. So it is you who fails.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:12 pm

You can't be that dumb.

Xtoxm · Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:34 pm

I caught you and all you can resort to is personal attacks. You're pathetic.

I'm done talking to you.

Xtoxm · Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:44 am

And how the fuck am I scum? Idiots...

And yeh, i'm a powerrole btw, so get you votes off me ffs.

Xtoxm · Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:46 am

I don't say stupid things.

Xtoxm · Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:16 am

Order of Night actions:
The action on top is resolved first. If there are multiple actions of 1 type, the action I receive first will be resolved first, but all actions of that type will be resolved (so a vig and a goon killing each other will both die, for example).
1) passive abilities
2) blocking
3) target-changing
4) protecting
5) killing
6) alignment-changing
7) investigating/tracking/watching etc.
Questions about this can be asked in thread or via pm.

Votes off him nubs.

Xtoxm · Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:03 am

armlx wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:
Order of Night actions:
The action on top is resolved first. If there are multiple actions of 1 type, the action I receive first will be resolved first, but all actions of that type will be resolved (so a vig and a goon killing each other will both die, for example).
1) passive abilities
2) blocking
3) target-changing
4) protecting
5) killing
6) alignment-changing
7) investigating/tracking/watching etc.
Questions about this can be asked in thread or via pm.
Votes off him nubs.
Every other game I have been in ever has had cop results show up even if the target dies.

I've been in games where cops don't get results on them if they die.

Plus, Alex has looked pro-town all game.

Xtoxm · Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:44 am

How is he acting like scum?

That just makes me more suspicious of kur.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:51 am

SL - That would just make Muerrto town, not necessarily make Surye scum.

I'm sure you can understand that i'd rather lynch cream today.

Even though it's seems far-fetched for Armlx to be lying here.

Unvote Vote Cream

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:27 am

Dont' screw around we don't need a claim, 2 more.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:29 am

Why?!

Nothing's gonna change anything, just fucking lynch him.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:32 am

All he can do, no matter alignment, is make a claim, which isn't going to change him from today's lynch. It's not gonna help anyway, there's no point hanging around.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:34 am

Uggggh. So we're just gonna sit here like lemons for 2 days?

How about I full claim to spice things up?

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:47 am

Why not?

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:53 pm

Yeh I am starting to think he could be scum now.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:49 pm

FOS RBT

Refusing to vote Cream.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:18 pm

I have something that would appear to clear Zazier.

But with all these Bus-Drivers around, we can't really be sure.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:42 pm

Shall we just MC?

Xtoxm · Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:47 am

It was me, wasn't it?

Xtoxm · Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:01 am

Armlx already knows i'm a powerrole, and now he's trying to get me lynched. Plus, what are the chances of finding 2 scum like that in 3 nights? I think Arlmx bussed.

Vote Armlx

Xtoxm · Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:23 am

While he's trying to get me lynched I have no other option.

Xtoxm · Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:35 pm

Meh, you'll just lynch me anyway, and there's no point telling scum my role.

Either lynch me, or leave me alone.

Xtoxm · Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:29 am

Unvote Vote farside

I think this was the worst vote on my wagon.

Xtoxm · Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:06 pm

BlakAdder wrote:Oh, yeah, that's totally going to get votes off of you.

Hey, it worked for me.

Wall still looks town, I tend to believe him.

Oh look, farside's on that list. Coincidence? I think not.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:44 am

I had a dream earlier where Wall got lynched and came up town...It was wierd...

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:22 am

I'm not.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:49 am

We're both dead so we can talk about it.

I was getting speedlynched on like page 5 or summit stupid.

Letting that go through would not have helped town at all.

I claimed a guilty the my top suspect, and although it was wrong, reactions around my claim let to the capture of Shinra Day Two (Of whom I had claimed cop for).

You can't call that bad play.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:50 am

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:58 am

And if I hadn't, i'd have been lynched on page 6. If the town wasn't being so silly I wouldn't have ahd to.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:48 pm

I can see there being 3 doc's, but not 4.

If there is a another doc, I definatley think it's worth CCing for a 3rd scum here.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:02 pm

There's no point to protect Armlx when SL was on him anyway...I find that kinda scummy...I'd expect a doc to think about their action...

Well, guess we gotta have everyone post and say whether or not they CC.

Gremwell hasn't posted in months, definately needs replacing. Zazier too.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:17 pm

I agree it looks pretty bad but i'm not happy to lynch him for this...I want a CC to feel comfortable doing that.

Xtoxm · Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:34 pm

Ask the mod, then tell us. He will have stored all Night actions incase of replacements etc.

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:33 am

I think he's town, but he's being horribly anti-town by refusing to even ask the mod for his actions. If he doesn't i'll vote him as policy.

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:01 am

Although I don't see the logic behind any of his actions, I do believe him and definately will not consider voting him without a CC.

I suggest you think about this before rushing the lynch of another possible power-role.

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:14 am

Yes, and it's annoying that he's voting me, but retalliation voting should be the last course of action when you think someone is town, in such a situation.

Though thinking about it, the lack of his changing a vote here is quite possibly a scum-tell.

Why would you keep voting the only person defending you when you're about to be lynched?

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:40 am

See, that is why I am suspicious of Armlx. If Wall isn't scum, i'll not be happy with Armlx living to endgame.

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:09 am

Only one scum is required to survive for victory.

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:17 am

And get protection for the entire game, in a game that seems to have an abnormally large number of protective roles, presumably the scum also have a Doc and BD.

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:18 am

Plus, SKs never kill cops, they are cop immune, it's Mafia's job to take out the cop, so saying that is very scummy.

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:27 am

Hmm...Possibly a fair point about scum wouldn't have known about town protection roles.

However you nicely choose to avoid my speculation of scum likely aslo having protection roles. You bussed an RB and a Goon. I see no dead Mafia BD or Doc.

BD = Bus Driver.

I have never seen a cop that gets guilty on an SK on this site, and find they also get NK Immunity about 50% of the time, so I don't know where you pulled that from.

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:01 am

Wall-E wrote:Why don't I unvote Xtoxm? Because he's 1) scum and 2) defending me in the face of an inevitable lynch, because he knows I'm town. Duh.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Wall-E (7): kuribo, Riceballtail, armlx, ThAdmiral, Surye, BlakAdder, Jebus
Xtoxm (1): Wall-E
farside22 (1): Xtoxm

Not voting (6): Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, RestFermata, springlullaby, farside22

With 15 alive it's 8 to lynch.

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:02 am

armlx wrote:
However you nicely choose to avoid my speculation of scum likely aslo having protection roles. You bussed an RB and a Goon. I see no dead Mafia BD or Doc.
Again, CLEARLY the right option in that case would be the counter claim, assume no town cop counter claims, and etc. Or just, you know, protect al4xz and use him as a fake cop.

I have never seen a cop that gets guilty on an SK on this site, and find they also get NK Immunity about 50% of the time, so I don't know where you pulled that from.
The only games I can think of where the SK was cop immune are the large C9ish games. Every game I have modded the SK has been cop vulnerable, bar Random 2 where the SK was night action immune completely.

This basically sounds like an unreal reach by you as scum in some desperate attempt to get the town to deal with a protected cop for you.

If scum have no GF they no that no cop exists, and setting up a CC makes the one cop look real.

Xtoxm · Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:06 pm

Well we're both pro-town power-roles so it might be an idea to get a new one installed anyway...

Xtoxm · Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:56 am

Only scum know that. My point is the scum's knowledge of whether they do or don't is what's important, and how Armlx-Scum could know to do that.

Xtoxm · Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:57 am

armlx wrote:
Riceballtail wrote:I was going to believe the claim, at first take, but I'm only being further convinced of scumminess now.
You were going to believe there were 3 doctors?

I think it's quite possible.

Why are you saying it's not?

Xtoxm · Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:27 am

Half of them need replacing.

Xtoxm · Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:45 pm

farside22 wrote:
Surye wrote:
armlx wrote:
kuribo wrote:
armlx wrote:I'm not sure if this is just him being scum or him being vindictive due to me calling him out for being an idiot.
Yeah, but look at some of the other stuff he's tried to push.
True.

Still think Wall-E is the OBV lynch today.
My question is why Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, RestFermata, springlullaby, farside22 doesn't think so.
Actually I had forgotten till today that 2 doc's are dead. I highly doubt Wall-E is telling the truth. Are we ready for a hammer at this point?

Scum has just realised how little suspicion she can get for hammering the doc...

Xtoxm · Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:13 pm

I don't think you should be lynched today, i'm just saying im suspicious of you. Other scum should be gone after first.

I'd be very happy with an absentee/lurker lynch, actually.

Xtoxm · Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:19 pm

Sigh. More broken roof tiles outside. Which means i'll have to pay as they charge the block

Vol had better be lynched when I get home tonight...

Xtoxm · Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:20 pm

O_o

Wrong game lol.

Xtoxm · Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:25 pm

If you really are town you're being very silly Wall.

Xtoxm · Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:25 am

Xtoxm · Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:28 am

As opposed to say he's a scum doc.

Xtoxm · Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:34 am

I've only participated in one Doc lynch. And he didn't even claim.

Xtoxm · Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:52 am

You have a thing for lynching pro-town power-roles don't you?

Xtoxm · Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:22 am

Bah...

Xtoxm · Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:13 am

Had BA as one of the scum...Largely stopped following...Town deserved to lose after the whole lynching me/Wall PR's thing. Though thinking about it, Armlx was probably the only participating pro-town member.

Xtoxm · Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:42 am

I suspect I was blocked most nights. Fact I died the night I did confirms I was blocked, or Farside's kill wouldn't have gone through.

Xtoxm · Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:51 pm

NK Immunity for being GF