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Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Sat Nov 06, 2021 9:18 am

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VOTE: Not_Mafia
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Post Post #33 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:03 am

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In post 31, AliceK wrote:
In post 28, Three wrote:Can we flash wagon Not Mafia?
That's tempting, but I think we can also wait for him to be replaced out.
Alice, Uglyduck, and Jackson are the only three that came in and posted without giving a vote. Could it be that they don’t want anything to be traced back to them?

Not posted yet: Andres, Kyouko, Not_Mafia, and MargotRosa.

VOTE: Uglyduck[/c]

Discuss.
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Post Post #34 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:04 am

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VOTE: Uglyduck
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Post Post #35 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:04 am

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I don’t know why that quoted Alice’s post.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #4) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:01 pm

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Considering his track record I’m not inclined to believe N_M unless there’s no counterclaim.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #5) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:18 pm

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In post 56, Dwlee99 wrote:Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck
Why not?
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Post Post #76 (isolation #6) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:19 pm

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Why the hell is my text tiny now?
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Post Post #77 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:19 pm

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Wait, no, that’s just my settings. Carry on.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:18 pm

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In post 80, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 75, fua wrote:
In post 56, Dwlee99 wrote:Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck
Why not?
VOTE: fua
Would you mind clarifying, please?
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Post Post #88 (isolation #9) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:19 pm

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And no, we use ‘lim’, as in eliminate.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:41 am

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I’m contributing my fair share. Don’t look at me.
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Post Post #113 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:29 pm

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In post 109, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 87, fua wrote:
In post 80, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 75, fua wrote:
In post 56, Dwlee99 wrote:Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck
Why not?
VOTE: fua
Would you mind clarifying, please?
If they actually answer you I will clarify. Although, it probably won't be needed if they answer you.
I think you should do it anyway.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #12) » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:00 pm

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In post 115, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 113, fua wrote:
In post 109, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 87, fua wrote:
In post 80, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 75, fua wrote:
In post 56, Dwlee99 wrote:Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck
Why not?
VOTE: fua
Would you mind clarifying, please?
If they actually answer you I will clarify. Although, it probably won't be needed if they answer you.
I think you should do it anyway.
Give me a reason to. I am open to it. But I need a reason.
Because:

1. There's nothing to lose from not doing it.
2. I told you to.
3. My vote is still on you and this isn't helping.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #13) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:08 am

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In post 121, AliceK wrote:Based on fact that Jackson is active and didn't get prodded or replaced out he is very likely Town.
Activity doesn’t necessarily equate to towniness.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #14) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:26 am

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I actually agree with the Mozamis wagon, and I think Jackson is suspicious for similar reasons given his most prevalent discussion of the game thus far has been vigilante mechanics without scumhunting whatsoever. They're my top two scumreads, but I'm not going to vote there until Ugly answers my question.
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Post Post #157 (isolation #15) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:31 am

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In post 155, Aaron wrote:
In post 52, Three wrote:Bad idea. Scum have a Doc, if we call out the target and you would hit scum they just protect them. If you would hit town they can still protect them for the WIFOM. And if you're fake claiming Vig but you're still town, they can Watch your target to see if you actually are Vig.

Just shoot the scummiest slot tonight so scum can't anticipate who to target and just default to protecting themselves.
In post 54, fua wrote:Considering his track record I’m not inclined to believe N_M unless there’s no counterclaim.
Stepping out of character for a brief moment. Scum protecting one of their own just confirms them as scum for the following day. WIFOM plays in but if we use our best judgment, we can assume that unless town JK claims to have JKed the target, it was scum doc. And scum doc don't have reasons to be protecting town.

In the situation that the only kill is the vig kill, we confirm a town through the JK.
In the situation that the only kill is the scum kill, we confirm scum through the vig.

Obviously WIFOM plays in but use your best judgement and it should be fine. If it makes zero sense for someone to be scum, then they aren't and scum are WIFOMing, etc.

Fua, that was a horrible post. No town vig should ever cc here.
A cc is 1/3 mafia down before N1 hits, though. If N_M is town he's sentenced himself to death either tonight or within the next couple days anyway, given Mafia knows whether or not he's telling the truth already.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #16) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:33 am

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Scum doc's reason to be protecting town is already right there, though. It puts people in a WIFOM situation where they're at risk of limming a townie that was protected. Mafia doesn't lose their NK by protecting the vig shot anyway, especially if said vig shot is directed during the day.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #17) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:35 am

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(Also, vig wouldn't shoot someone who's widely townread to begin with, so your next point is moot regardless.)
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Post Post #160 (isolation #18) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:37 am

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Also also, this is more minor, but being able to confirm N_M as town or scum D1 is a huge boon to town since he's the most common miselim target in this entire game (and I don't think anyone who knows his playstyle would disagree).
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Post Post #161 (isolation #19) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:40 am

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Also also also, your scenario of the JK being able to confirm a town is inherently flawed because it requires the JK to out themselves to confirm an almost certainly less valuable townie, thus meaning that they get NKed and we lose a PR for no reason.
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Post Post #163 (isolation #20) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:45 am

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In post 162, Almost50 wrote:
In post 157, fua wrote:given Mafia knows whether or not he's telling the truth already.
How would they know that 'already"??
If he’s town then him announcing that he’s the vig means that mafia know whether or not his claim is true. What part of that statement is unclear?
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Post Post #165 (isolation #21) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:49 am

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In early game? Sure, since he’s unpredictable. In the late game where your options are limited? He tends to be very, very appetizing.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #22) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:53 am

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That’s a good point, but I don’t think any VT would claim to be Vig normally since it means they’re probably going to eat a vig bullet at night.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #23) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:54 am

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In post 167, Almost50 wrote:
In post 165, fua wrote:In early game? Sure, since he’s unpredictable. In the late game where your options are limited? He tends to be very, very appetizing.
But if he's Town he'd be almost confirmed by "late game". He has a good nose for Scum and his voting record shows it almost all the time.
Agree to disagree there.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #24) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:59 am

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Thoughts on my other points? Assuming N_M is just WIFOM to be solved at night, that is.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #25) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:05 am

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I feel like this kind of play is exactly the balls to the wall thing N_M would do? But you’re probably better at reading him than I am, so I’ll concede on that front. I’m willing to throw him in as town for now and see how it goes later.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #26) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:05 am

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Anyway, that’s pretty much the answer to my own post about N_M, so I’ll switch.

VOTE: Aaron
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Post Post #200 (isolation #27) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 12:45 pm

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Big money take is that it’s Alice, Aaron, and Jackson.
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Post Post #208 (isolation #28) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:26 pm

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Literally your entire post was based off of the assumption that N_M's claim was a meme. Have you played with him before? Genuine question.
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Post Post #209 (isolation #29) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:29 pm

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Also, my vote on Uglyduckling was only remaining due to me wanting him to answer my question, but A50's own debunking of my response basically explained that for me.

And I voted you because your argument was weak, not because you're sussing me. You're cutting out context from my posts as well as the logic I have behind them in order to fit your narrative.
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Post Post #211 (isolation #30) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:19 pm

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Please tell me we aren’t at E-1.
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Post Post #212 (isolation #31) » Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:22 pm

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Someone please take their vote off now before N_M hammers.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #32) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:22 am

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There’s a difference between CCing Jailkeeper claim when you’re a townie and claiming a PR out of nowhere as a VT, especially in this setup where everyone should logically be assumed to be claiming VT because it’s so easy to be opened up for a CC.

My ultimate solve is Kyoko, Jackson, and one of Aaron/Three.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #33) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:24 am

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My Three scumread is mostly for meta reasons, though, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Post Post #281 (isolation #34) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:26 am

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Actually.

VOTE: Jackson for contributing nothing beyond the occasional commentary on posts directed towards him.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #35) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:46 am

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Are they? I wasn’t paying attention.
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Post Post #285 (isolation #36) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:02 am

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Fair enough.

VOTE: Mozamis
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Post Post #287 (isolation #37) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:12 am

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I mean either way it feels like we’re not getting much done beyond arguing about semantics. Why not just vote someone who went inactive as soon as a case was posited to them?
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Post Post #291 (isolation #38) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 6:52 am

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yeeeeaaah in gavubg root canal and i just got anasthesia and im shaking fuck yea
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Post Post #292 (isolation #39) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 6:52 am

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Fuck
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Post Post #293 (isolation #40) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 6:53 am

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they injecred the anestheia into my gums with three syringes now im
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Post Post #307 (isolation #41) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:43 am

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In post 306, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like when dwlee is willing to push on NAI things like activity it's scum-indicative from them, usually they're averse to that kind of thing
Nah.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #42) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:56 am

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In post 308, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 281, fua wrote:Actually.

VOTE: Jackson for contributing nothing beyond the occasional commentary on posts directed towards him.
I literally explained my situation dumbass
And yet you still have time to pop in and make witty remarks every time you get shaded...
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Post Post #311 (isolation #43) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:59 am

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In post 301, Three wrote:
In post 280, fua wrote:My Three scumread is mostly for meta reasons, though, so take it with a grain of salt.
What? What meta? This is only your second game with me.
Or is it?
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Post Post #314 (isolation #44) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:45 am

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In post 313, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 306, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like when dwlee is willing to push on NAI things like activity it's scum-indicative from them, usually they're averse to that kind of thing
Oh god are you scum
Yes, they are.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #45) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:29 am

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Dwlee is actually a hard townread for me. Same with A50, N_M, and Alice. There are a lot of other people who look scummy as hell, though.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #46) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:15 pm

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In post 317, Dwlee99 wrote:Why am I a hard town read? I've been kinda low effort
Exactly. You try harder when you’re mafia.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #47) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:30 pm

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Also if you were mafia you would have thanked me for the TR instead of questioning it.
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Post Post #325 (isolation #48) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:43 pm

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In post 323, Three wrote:
In post 311, fua wrote:
In post 301, Three wrote:
In post 280, fua wrote:My Three scumread is mostly for meta reasons, though, so take it with a grain of salt.
What? What meta? This is only your second game with me.
Or is it?
I heavily doubt that we've played any other times.
I could be an alt! It's not good to make assumptions about players, after all.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #49) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:11 pm

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Then clearly I’ve played with you in the majority of your games.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #50) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:51 am

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In post 330, Three wrote:
In post 327, fua wrote:Then clearly I’ve played with you in the majority of your games.
That's not how meta works.
That’s actually exactly how meta works— by extrapolating information from a previous game to make an informed inference in this one.
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Post Post #338 (isolation #51) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:48 am

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Why are we arguing about this again? It’s not all that relevant.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #52) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:49 pm

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Nope. Good try, though.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #53) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:49 pm

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In post 351, Dwlee99 wrote:Please murder me tonight fua

No one will remember my screams
But you’re such easy bait in the lim pool…
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Post Post #377 (isolation #54) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:34 am

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VOTE: Kyoko

I’d rather lim this skot than yours at the moment anyway.
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Post Post #385 (isolation #55) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:50 am

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Your arrival into the game was heavily clunky and awkward and your case on me was weak OMGUS that naturally would make anyone you targeted suspicious of you. You’re not first on my list at all, but I have my eye on you.

Kyoko probably needs to die today if RC keeps up this content.
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Post Post #386 (isolation #56) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:51 am

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I say we just boot the inactive for now? Especially since Kyoko was already incredibly scummy and it’ll mean there’s less places for maf to hide in the future.
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Post Post #396 (isolation #57) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:15 am

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In post 395, AliceK wrote:
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Can you claim? If Mafia would have day chat it would be really suspicious to not claim for so long.
Why?
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Post Post #408 (isolation #58) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:15 pm

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Reads:

Town:
Dwlee
N_M
UglyDuck

Townlean:
Alice
Ythan and Iluvythan? Not sure about these slots.
StD

Null:
A50
Jackson
Andres

Scumlean:
RC
Aaron
Three

Lockscum:
Kyoko

There.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #59) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:18 pm

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Anyone who wants to lim the person with the highest post count in the game is anti-town... for sure!
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Post Post #410 (isolation #60) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:19 pm

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Actually, Iluvythan is pretty scummy too. Switch both of them with Jackson and A50.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #61) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:27 pm

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In post 413, RCEnigma wrote:A59 has decent posting but it's mostly mechanical and not in the chaotic way so he's worth keeping an eye on.
A50 tends to be a lot more messy and talkative when he's town while he tends to be on the backfoot and quiet when he's scum so as not to give away his thought process too much. If he doesn't start showing off that side tomorrow I would say be more suspicious of and investigate him. He has pretty big tells if you know what to look for.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #62) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:28 pm

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In post 415, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 408, fua wrote:Reads:

Town:
Dwlee
N_M
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Townlean:
Alice
Ythan and Iluvythan? Not sure about these slots.
StD

Null:
A50
Jackson
Andres

Scumlean:
RC
Aaron
Three

Lockscum:
Kyoko

There.
Scum is more likely to post readlists than Town like this as it's content without actual content :)
Do you disagree with any placements? What do you need clarification on?
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Post Post #421 (isolation #63) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:37 pm

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How should I have responded? :(

My Kyoko read is pretty simple. It feels like they're widening the lim pool by casting suspicion only on the easy slots (Myself, Dwlee, Not_Mafia) without actually providing any reads of their own beyond 'this looks town' or 'this doesn't look town', which is strange and doesn't feel like an attempt to solve so much as them already knowing peoples' alignments ahead of time. I really want this slot in particular to die.

N_M's alignment will be revealed anyway, and he claimed vigilante so I'm inclined to believe he either is vigilante or a VT trying to bait the NK, which are both town. If he's still alive later into the game he should probably be checked out.

And on second thought, I think both instances of the mozamis slot trying to pocket/TR me with flimsy reasoning is actually scum-indicative? Obviously I'm not
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Post Post #427 (isolation #64) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:48 pm

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Eh. They're the one I'm most confident is scum, and since they're not going to pop in to change that opinion today, that's my view on them. Maybe lockscum is the wrong word.

That makes sense, but I don't want to put EVERYONE in null-scum and N_M is easier to deal with if you assume he's town right off the bat. This is also kind of similar to his town play anyway. I'd be willing to put him down to townlean but not null just yet unless we get deeper into the game. Give me a bit and I'll find quotes.
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Post Post #429 (isolation #65) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:50 pm

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In post 41, mozamis wrote:wow normally these large games are mental, this is really quiet.
fua prvisional town read for his good spot about people posting without voting.
(In response to me pointing out people aren't participating in RVS, which is pretty weak reasoning.)
In post 361, RCEnigma wrote:I'm going back and forth on Aaron/Jackson both just being town or being partners. Fua's read there is probably town indicative regardless of those two slots alignment.
There are a few more posts about why he townreads me, but it's not enough for me to put him deeper within the scumleans. Just that I don't have a very great feeling about that particular thought process. If we start running low on time I'll vote him though.
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Post Post #432 (isolation #66) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:55 pm

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Fair point. I'm just not the type of player who likes bloating the lim pool because that helps scum. Generally my way of going about it is to decide to townread players and make up my mind early on so I can just get on with checking out the players I'm more suspicious of without second-guessing myself all the time.

And that's a little confusing to me? Especially because nobody else is really putting me above null. Again, RC isn't my top choice here, but I'm not super opposed to limming him to the point where I'd stick my neck out or anything.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #67) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:39 pm

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It was beginner’s luck.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #68) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:09 pm

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In post 447, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 438, fua wrote:It was beginner’s luck.
Wait actually what? This completely betrays a scum mindset - you wouldnt think of this as beginner's luck if you were town. Beginner's luck is when you do something accidentally that helps you succeed. The way JV describes the response as being like, suave (?), like intentionally tricky I guess, and the for fua to say it is beginners luck is like, betraying that fua benefits from that kind of manipulation. They perceive that kind of response as something that is beneficial.to them that they did accidentally, and attribute it to beginner's luck.

Idk, I also might have missed whatever fua had to say about me but I felt when reading about why they say I'm scum, like this doesnt make sense?

I'll vote RCE for deadline if needed but until then I feel good about VOTE: Fua
I was being sarcastic. Also, you were already voting me.
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Post Post #449 (isolation #69) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:16 pm

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Does seriously nobody else think Kyoko is scum? This is almost a scumclaim with how forced it is.
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Post Post #451 (isolation #70) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:05 pm

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Since we don’t have much time left in the day anyway and there probably won’t be a counterwagon on the scum, I’m the Town Jailkeeper. Sheep me on Kyoko because they’re clearly obvious scumming and should be taken out. Their post is either grasping at straws to try to reinforce my wagon or calling me stupid enough to openly claim scum out in public, which I don’t appreciate.

Mafia will never kill me and I’ll be miselimmed later anyways. Better to force mafia to kill the suspicious slot and remove the utility of their strongman (if Kyoko isn’t their strongman anyways) than lose two townies.
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Post Post #453 (isolation #71) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:06 pm

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Anyway, talk about the events of the previous few days and the reads surrounding me now that I’m locktown.

Also, vote Kyoko.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #72) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:07 pm

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Andres can die tomorrow, but respect my wishes here as a dead man walking.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #73) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:10 pm

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They’re obviously scumming though. No townie would ever use their thought process to catch scum because it’s such an inherently flawed mindset to go about things with.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #74) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:12 pm

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Their most recent post against me says ‘I didn’t read why Fua called me scum and I ignored it, but them saying a joke in response to Jackson’s statement means that they’re claiming scum in public’. Unless you think I’m dumb enough to openly admit that I’m scum and have no self control when it comes to my thought process whatsoever than that is the completely wrong approach to reading me. Keep in mind that they’ve been doing nothing but handing out town or scumreads with no basis and putting sus on the easy targets (Me, Dwlee, N_M). If they aren’t scum they’re incredibly anti-town.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #75) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:15 pm

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Also if Kyoko is scum it clears Dwlee, N_M, and potentially RCE whereas Andres is a low-info flip.
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Post Post #463 (isolation #76) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:23 pm

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I’m not even shading, I’m just paraphrasing what they said.

And I know you follow that train of thought, because you’re not respecting me as a player or considering my point of view. And I just told you how their mindset and approach to pushing me is scummy and grasping at straws.

Anyway, you’ll see when I die tonight regardless that I’m telling the truth.
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Post Post #466 (isolation #77) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:28 pm

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You literally just admitted that you were following the mindset of thinking I’m stupid enough to openly claim scum and have no filter or self control at all, so I should scumread you for the same reason I scumread Kyoko?

And scum wouldn’t kill me
if I didn’t claim
, since prior to this I was such easy miselim bait while Kyoko wasn’t getting any traction whatsoever.

I’m not going to argue with you. Vote Andre if you want, but Kyoko is obvscum.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #78) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:32 pm

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Like. You can see how this is frustrating for me right?
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Post Post #471 (isolation #79) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:35 pm

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I don’t know. On my end it feels like I’ve been trying to be patient and reasonable but then you change the subject immediately without addressing my points. I think it’d be best if we both took a moment and stepped away to clear our heads and look at the bigger picture/calm down.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #80) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:36 pm

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We’re clearly not going to get through to each other because we have such different opinions on what’s scummy and not scummy. For what it’s worth I don’t even think Andres is a townlean for me, so if absolutely NOBODY wants Kyoko for some reason I’ll sheep that.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #81) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:07 pm

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In post 485, JacksonVirgo wrote:Kyouko just isn't scum, or if they are the current reasonings I am hearing is nothing scummy in particular and feels awfully like scum pushed bullshit or cannot be backed up because it holds no actual weight.
In post 475, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 451, fua wrote:Since we don’t have much time left in the day anyway and there probably won’t be a counterwagon on the scum, I’m the Town Jailkeeper. Sheep me on Kyoko because they’re clearly obvious scumming and should be taken out. Their post is either grasping at straws to try to reinforce my wagon or calling me stupid enough to openly claim scum out in public, which I don’t appreciate.

Mafia will never kill me and I’ll be miselimmed later anyways. Better to force mafia to kill the suspicious slot and remove the utility of their strongman (if Kyoko isn’t their strongman anyways) than lose two townies.

Why claim?
Why mafia not kill you?
1. We have a day and a half left to reach a consensus on someone and I don’t want to be forced to claim later when there’s less time to sort things out. Also because I want Kyoko dead.

2. Because it’s objectively better for scum to kill a townread player than a scummy player like me.
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Post Post #488 (isolation #82) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:08 pm

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I don’t know why Jackson’s was quoted. But I’ll respond to it anyway. Kyoko is scum because their push is limited to one person and is incredibly opportunistic in addition to them not addressing any of my scumread on them at all. They’ve felt very dismissive and lurky and I would be incredibly surprised if they flipped green.
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Post Post #489 (isolation #83) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:09 pm

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In post 480, Dwlee99 wrote:I'd vote Kyo sure
Then do.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #84) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:11 pm

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In post 447, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 438, fua wrote:It was beginner’s luck.
Wait actually what? This completely betrays a scum mindset - you wouldnt think of this as beginner's luck if you were town. Beginner's luck is when you do something accidentally that helps you succeed. The way JV describes the response as being like, suave (?), like intentionally tricky I guess, and the for fua to say it is beginners luck is like, betraying that fua benefits from that kind of manipulation. They perceive that kind of response as something that is beneficial.to them that they did accidentally, and attribute it to beginner's luck.

Idk, I also might have missed whatever fua had to say about me but I felt when reading about why they say I'm scum, like this doesnt make sense?

I'll vote RCE for deadline if needed but until then I feel good about VOTE: Fua
I just don’t see this post ever coming from a townie. If you look at my pattern from this game (as well as the game that
they hosted
, you’d know that I tend to be very sarcastic and witty. I don’t ‘slip’, especially since I’m not scum.
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Post Post #497 (isolation #85) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:04 pm

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…I think you misinterpreted what I said.
If I didn’t claim
, I wouldn’t be killed at night. Of course I’m going to be killed now. I’d be stupid to think otherwise.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #86) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:05 pm

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In post 496, UglyDuck wrote:fua - why did you open with the post isolating players that had not voted but had posted?
To push the game out of RVS and gauge reactions. I don’t care about that now. Why?
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Post Post #508 (isolation #87) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:42 am

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In post 499, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 497, fua wrote:…I think you misinterpreted what I said.
If I didn’t claim
, I wouldn’t be killed at night. Of course I’m going to be killed now. I’d be stupid to think otherwise.
I did indeed. Makes more sense. Still not sure why you felt the urgency to claim though.
We have a day left in the phase and I was at 4 votes. I don’t want to risk claiming at 6 hours left especially when this has been a low-activity game.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #88) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:36 am

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In post 517, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 451, fua wrote:Since we don’t have much time left in the day anyway and there probably won’t be a counterwagon on the scum, I’m the Town Jailkeeper. Sheep me on Kyoko because they’re clearly obvious scumming and should be taken out. Their post is either grasping at straws to try to reinforce my wagon or calling me stupid enough to openly claim scum out in public, which I don’t appreciate.

Mafia will never kill me and I’ll be miselimmed later anyways. Better to force mafia to kill the suspicious slot and remove the utility of their strongman (if Kyoko isn’t their strongman anyways) than lose two townies.
Also kinda disgusting you think I'm calling you stupid with that last post - scum are thinking about the game the same as the rest of us (albeit from a different angle) and sometimes you can get a glimpse of the wrong mindset if you read into seemingly innocuous posts
In post 513, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 448, fua wrote:
In post 447, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 438, fua wrote:It was beginner’s luck.
Wait actually what? This completely betrays a scum mindset - you wouldnt think of this as beginner's luck if you were town. Beginner's luck is when you do something accidentally that helps you succeed. The way JV describes the response as being like, suave (?), like intentionally tricky I guess, and the for fua to say it is beginners luck is like, betraying that fua benefits from that kind of manipulation. They perceive that kind of response as something that is beneficial.to them that they did accidentally, and attribute it to beginner's luck.

Idk, I also might have missed whatever fua had to say about me but I felt when reading about why they say I'm scum, like this doesnt make sense?

I'll vote RCE for deadline if needed but until then I feel good about VOTE: Fua
I was being sarcastic. Also, you were already voting me.
it doesn't seem like sarcasm to me
Disgusting? How should I have taken it then?

Either you’re:

A. Saying that I didn’t recognize Jackson’s post about me being suave, not posting content, using psychological tactics against him, and him having to be cautious around me as negative in the slightest.

B. Saying that I did recognize it as negative, but openly and unironically agreed with said negative statement without a hint of disbelief.

I don’t know how it could be interpreted otherwise.
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Post Post #530 (isolation #89) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:40 am

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Like. In the post after he literally said he scumreads me for it. Which is it?
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Post Post #538 (isolation #90) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:49 am

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In post 532, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 502, RCEnigma wrote:Jackson what's your case on Andres besides the reaction to being scumread?
Overall opportunistic nature from what I am seeing as well as wanting to flat out push the agenda harder once people started backing off of you. Instead of giving even a thought to maybe your slot was town, just straight up pushing an agenda.
Why does Kyoko get a pass for this when their case on me was forced and grasping at straws?

Also: Jackson didn’t necessarily out me? It was my choice to claim early.
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Post Post #541 (isolation #91) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:57 am

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They grasped at straws in the post I’ve quoted multiple times where they didn’t refute any of the points I made against them and instead called me out as scummy for two sarcastic responses posts. They also haven’t tried to solve for anyone else besides Dwlee who is almost certainly town.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #92) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:22 am

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I trust Kyoko’s wagon a lot more than RC’s at the moment. I don’t have a solid townread on anyone in the latter.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #93) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:23 am

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In post 546, AliceK wrote:
In post 531, Save The Dragons wrote:apologies for being absent just had my covid booster and i'm sick/really tired so i'll try to get to this when i can
Looks like I missed a lot of content. I will post my reads in next few hours.
I saw fua claimed JK. Slightly panicky claim, ngl.
Perfect, you can watch me die tonight and see that sort itself out then.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #94) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:27 am

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The enormous brain solve if Kyoko is somehow town is Andres-Three-A50.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #95) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:34 am

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In post 553, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 549, Three wrote:I'm fine with either and lowkey think they're just competing SvS wagons. RC trying to split the votes across three wagons at EoD looks bad, and Kyouko shaded both Mozamis and RCE but never voted either and is currently not voting, even though she said she would vote RCE at EoD if Fua's wagon didn't go through.
You honestly actually feel this confident in BOTH top day 1 wagons? Sounds like a formula to just flip two town
One of the theories at the back of my brain is that him and A50 are pointing to you-RC-Kyoko as people who should be elimmed if the Andres wagon doesn’t go through, which is incredibly suspicious and feels like they’re widening the lim pool for the next few days. (Also, ignore my last comment, I don’t think Andres could be scum with these two if it happens.)
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Post Post #555 (isolation #96) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:35 am

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Three has felt a lot more standoffish than he did in the other game I played with him and A50 is doing one of his scumtells right now.
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Post Post #556 (isolation #97) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:38 am

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In post 237, Almost50 wrote:Also please note that I refused to put Mozamis @E-1, so if that flip red I should be suspected even more. ;)
This is also strange, it feels like he’s trying to gain credit for protecting a townie rather than seriously thinking that Mozamis is town/scum.
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Post Post #559 (isolation #98) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:48 am

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In post 557, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 555, fua wrote:Three has felt a lot more standoffish than he did in the other game I played with him and A50 is doing one of his scumtells right now.
A50 far-reaching to scum-read me in one of those previous posts hit me the wrong way super hard but that's all I have on them. What's the scumtell for them?

How would you describe the standoffish change thing for three?
His tell is not creating any real association with other people so if he is caught as scum then he won’t be traced back to anyone else. He did say he TRed Three though, so I’m not entirely sure on that note.

Three’s reaction to Alice’s sole vote on him seems kind of overblown and too defensive compared to his more passive playstyle in the game we played together. This could be him giving an AtE (The ‘Town is dumb and I was treated unfairly last game so don’t let it happen again) or even scum theater with Alice since he ended up unvoting her without any reasoning and she’s had her vanity vote on him the entire time.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #99) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:50 am

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If we want to not lim Andres/Kyoko/RC or at least save them to be resolved at night I would be okay with compromising on A50 and letting that sort things out. His pop-in here was incredibly shady.
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Post Post #563 (isolation #100) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:53 am

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No, his thing is specifically not connecting himself to anyone and sheeping town on the most suspicious wagons without much reasoning of his own to back it up.

Eh. I think if A50 does flip scum it’s going to put some heat on Three. I don’t want him dead today at the very least, but I think someone should keep an eye on him.
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Post Post #564 (isolation #101) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:54 am

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Okay, let’s do that then.

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Post Post #568 (isolation #102) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:56 am

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In post 567, JacksonVirgo wrote:Wait there's no fuckin' way I already got to the second highest poster status.
Soon you’ll be the highest.
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Post Post #570 (isolation #103) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:00 pm

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Also, before I die, I wanna apologize for being a jerk. Was not my intention at all.
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Post Post #573 (isolation #104) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:02 pm

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I’m honored to be a part of this.
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Post Post #578 (isolation #105) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:50 pm

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In post 577, Almost50 wrote:OH! A wagon on the monkey. I LOVE IT! Let me in..

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Who do you think is town?
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Post Post #580 (isolation #106) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:54 pm

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Yeah I do.
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Post Post #582 (isolation #107) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:55 pm

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In fact, I just did. It’s a concept called pressure.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #108) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:16 pm

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Classy.
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Post Post #592 (isolation #109) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:41 pm

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Yes, but when you work against your win condition, it’s an ironic satirization of how poorly town plays nowadays and intellectual commentary on the current site meta. How original.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #110) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:43 pm

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You
know you’re playing badly on purpose, so that makes it perfectly acceptable. Right?
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Post Post #606 (isolation #111) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:02 pm

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In post 599, Almost50 wrote:Like, nobody plays Mafia anymore. Everybody wants to play "meta hunting" instead, and -on top of it they all suck at it.
Fun fact: Refusing to play mafia and calling people morons because they suspect you does not, in fact, help the situation of ‘people not playing mafia’.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #112) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:03 pm

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If you don’t like mafia then sub out and don’t play again.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #113) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:05 pm

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In post 608, Not_Mafia wrote:What did fua claim?
I claimed Jailkeeper and am expecting maf to kill me tonight.
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Post Post #612 (isolation #114) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:07 pm

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In post 609, Almost50 wrote:Uninspiring Play Yields Orthodox Uninspiring Responses Sometimes 2
You should change your name to Almost3. I feel like that would better reflect your attitude regarding being suspected in an online game.
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Post Post #614 (isolation #115) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:10 pm

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In post 613, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 611, fua wrote:
In post 608, Not_Mafia wrote:What did fua claim?
I claimed Jailkeeper and am expecting maf to kill me tonight.
Okay don't target me thanks, I want to kill
Wasn’t planning on it.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #116) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:29 pm

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Well, we have 13 hours left, so… we should find a consensus whether we’re happy or not.

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Post Post #658 (isolation #117) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:19 am

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Four hours left.
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Post Post #660 (isolation #118) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:57 am

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Kyoko is at E-2. We just need a flip.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #119) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:29 am

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In post 662, AliceK wrote:
In post 661, RCEnigma wrote:For the sake of a flip zzz VOTE: kyouko
Yeah, it is very unlikely that she flips scum. Why would you pursue this lim?
Nothing else to do since we have two hours and thirty minutes left. And for what it’s worth I think she is scum.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #120) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:11 am

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We now have two hours left to produce a flip and a player at E-1. If there is no flip Kyoko and Alice are likely scum together.
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #121) » Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:52 am

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Woo! GG, everyone.

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