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[tenebrousluminary]

there's a very good chance all 3 of those are town shots so if you are town then maf team is doing us a favor lol

Kinda where I am at and I think still elim Titus

Wagon shoulda switched to Cape when I tried and scum blantantly overruled me while trying to make it my elim.

You should really reread the thread lol. I literally hammered just to get that day over with.

But if we eliminate me, we eliminate me. Just give me a few days to get my thoughts together.

I hate you because I was about to case April like literally 30 minutes after you hammered who I am less confident on since the Nero flip, but sorta still pretty confident on.

God Nero was openwolfing in the hood, they would have been the easiest push for me today

VOTE: April Ludgate

Okay. VOTE: April

VOTE: April

Oo, Froggy Protection Posse…ACTIVATE

we been here.

Just gotta figure out which of em are the sheep. They also all actively avoid any deeper analysis on Frogster slot.

Please read my posts.

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That's fine, just don't say I'm not analyzing him when I just did.

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Oh fuck off.

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I refer you to my previous post.

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I do not have an inno on tene

I’m about 80% sure tene is scum

Tene if they don’t solve can go back in the pool

I'm pretty sure not one single person read the solving posts I made at the start of the day.

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It sucks that Scorp scumreading me just proves all the harder that he is town even though it makes little sense that I would have tried so hard to prevent his mislim in that case.

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I do not have an inno on tene

I’m about 80% sure tene is scum

Tene if they don’t solve can go back in the pool

I'm pretty sure not one single person read the solving posts I made at the start of the day.

It’s more a pattern. A few walls isnt communication

Yeah, no, I'm not doing this again. Be wrong.

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ok so starting out, i want to pull out the votes that titus placed in the last couple days, especially from when she still thought she had a chance of convincing people she was town and getting people on her side, starting after the malcolm flip:

1) 5062 she votes DV, reaching out to tene and VP
2) 5069 after I ask her why she didn't vote eyes as her top scumread and someone who already had votes, she switches to eyes
3) 5261 she votes Nero, reaching out to VP. she also names scorpious, eyes, and DV as her top scumreads
4) 5609 she votes frog, reaching out to eyes and VP. VP is extremely pocketed by this point
5) 5839 she votes DV, reaching out to me. at the time i thought she could be trying to feed me a scum partner to get me on her side, but now i think that's unlikely
6) 6070 she votes VP after the cape wagon forms, telling math not to get distracted. this is still the scummiest post in the game.
7) 6088 she votes cape after i call her out for her previous vote. after this i think she knows she's dead and has given up trying to get people on her side for the most part. i think the votes after this point are less meaningful, but for the sake of completion, they are: VP to end the day, then next day there's Cape, then frog, then self.

so, from all of that, i don't think the DV votes are partner votes. the frog, cape, and eyes votes all easily could be. it's also worth noting that she reached out to tene and eyes with her votes at one point, but each of those were when she was also reaching out to VP. still could be meaningful

(also, as an aside, 6709 is one of the clearer examples of her trying to turn me and april against math and get us on her side. she was more focused on pocketing april since I wasn't budging, but she tried with me a few times too. april is town)

i think frog and cape are the most likely scum. it could easily both, but it's possible that one is town. purely going off movement and the way titus voted, i would lean towards cape. cape also voted titus to help end the day and i think there was likely scum in that group. but purely going off play, i would lean towards frog. i think he hasn't really been trying to solve for a while now, and even when he did show up, he just ranted about how my meta read was bad and still gave no attempt to solve. that just sounds like scum who thinks they were caught for the wrong reasons but doesn't want to give out associations.

so most likely scenario imo is that it's both frog and cape. assuming we're hunting for 3, the third could be any of eyes, galron, tene, scorp. i would lean towards eyes or galron, then tene and scorp. really the only thing in galron's favor is the yeet clear. if there's a traitor, it could be anyone, so i don't think it's that worth hunting for them from my pov.

eyes is probably either honest about his role (as either alignment) or is maf with tene. i think it would be pretty risky as scum eyes with town tene to out a result without asking for a claim first. the fact that he didn't ask for claims at all makes me lean towards thinking he does have the role. i don't have strong feelings at this time about whether his role makes him more likely to be town or maf. currently assuming he's more likely to be town, and fine to focus on frog/cape for now, but still keeping him in mind as a possible partner.

if it's frog and not cape, i think it probably has to be tene. my heart doesn't want this one to be true. third is probably eyes, but could be galron. probably not scorp.

if it's cape and not frog, scorp is more likely. eyes is still possible but less likely bc i think tene is also less likely here. third probably galron? idk im not super sold on that team

if it's neither cape or frog, we're in trouble lol, but it's probably eyes/tene with... scorp? maybe galron? maybe a traitor?

if it's none of cape/frog/eyes... it isn't. there's no way. like 1% chance. but it would prob have to be tene, scorp, and galron. which i don't think even pair that well.

I think I'm willing to follow you today, but I think you're too confident about your townreads. Dragons doesn't appear in this post at all. Why?

I don't really get why you're pairing me with frog and not cape. If anything, I would have thought the other way around. I am also surprised regarding what you must then think I'd have been doing all game. I guess it's not important right now.

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VOTE: frog

[tenebrousluminary]

That's prety simplistic but no point in litigating it right now.

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This is a sudden flip compared with Datisi's earlier expressed Scorp townread because of his "Luca Blight tell." I believe it supports Scorp town, and makes me question why Dragon gets no attention from this quarter.

What's the "Luca Blight" tell?

UNVOTE: fire

Having taken a step back from the game this feels more like a TvT

I think Datisi explained it somewhere in their iso, but I no longer remember.

[tenebrousluminary]

If Galron is scum we need Cape’s town flip to state that.

We are not really in a position to be doing this.

I tried to read Cape's iso earlier to see whether I'd be OK if it came to this, but I got bored. So I'll try again later.

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If Galron is scum we need Cape’s town flip to state that.

We are not really in a position to be doing this.

I tried to read Cape's iso earlier to see whether I'd be OK if it came to this, but I got bored. So I'll try again later.

Yes we are. If not now, when? After another town flip? Based on Titus’s play Cape is most likely scum. It’s who she resisted the most.

I mean, never. We can flip players for being scum. We can't flip players to prove other players anymore. We burned those "proving" April and we can see how that turned out. You'll never get my vote with an argument based on neighbor spec. The Titus/Cape case is the only reason I am even considering this.

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If Galron is scum we need Cape’s town flip to state that.

We are not really in a position to be doing this.

I tried to read Cape's iso earlier to see whether I'd be OK if it came to this, but I got bored. So I'll try again later.

Yes we are. If not now, when? After another town flip? Based on Titus’s play Cape is most likely scum. It’s who she resisted the most.

I mean, never. We can flip players for being scum. We can't flip players to prove other players anymore. We burned those "proving" April and we can see how that turned out. You'll never get my vote with an argument based on neighbor spec. The Titus/Cape case is the only reason I am even considering this.

Fine I think Cape and Galron has a scum.

I think it’s most likely Cape but if not it proves Galron

My wording was shit. Any issues now?

Yes, but it's not relevant right now.

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I don't think a town flip from Cape proves anything about Galron, and he is probably a traitor anyway if scum which is not all that helpful.

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I don't think a town flip from Cape proves anything about Galron, and he is probably a traitor anyway if scum which is not all that helpful.

Do you think Cape flips town?

Not sure.

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I was TRing them before. I havent decided yet whether what has been shown since them overcomes that for me.

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Cape, how did you get from 2379 2380 to 2713?

Cape, what changed since 6278 that has removed me from your lim pool? Also, what is your stance on Galron?

Could you expand on 6786?

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How does 3407 3415 come from a partner, including the Datisi quotes?

Although it's true he flips his vote around somewhat often, I see a consistency to it. For instance,he has come back to Eyes like, 4 times.

I liked the VP -> Nero flip but not so much the Nero -> out of hood flip since I was liking his insistence on hood scum as it seemed to not benefit him.

6221 is almost too good to be true.

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You ask why we're "making this complicated" and then introduce an SK that there's no evidence for? Dude.

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I think it is something like Eyes/Frog/Deas or Eyes/Frog/April. Galron can go in any slot.

[tenebrousluminary]

april is a very big fish but also shouldn't be fried

Agreed. I want to see which of you is scum if any before moving there. You get one shot at April.

I think Cape is scum maybe just Fire and April and Tene for the rest

With how little resistance frog got he’s in the PoE.

April and I would deserve an Oscar for this.

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april is a very big fish but also shouldn't be fried

Agreed. I want to see which of you is scum if any before moving there. You get one shot at April.

I think Cape is scum maybe just Fire and April and Tene for the rest

With how little resistance frog got he’s in the PoE.

April and I would deserve an Oscar for this.

Why do you say that?

Never mind, just help me bus her tomorrow then.

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Fire got one. We should give him a chance to find us another.

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Fire is the one who convinced me so I am going to continue to give him credit. The chip on your shoulder is not relevant to me.

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anyway cape's 4861 and 6945 and now not knowing that VP claimed ascetic are just, like... is he even reading the thread?

oh they claimed?

Well, anyway I am literally just vanilla town neighbor.

No modifiers at all. Arguably better then ascetic XD.

Do with that what u will

I asked you some questions, are you planning to answer them?

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I can't say the prospect of voting with April and not with Math and my strongest townread makes me feel great.

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Cape, how did you get from 2379 2380 to 2713?

Cape, what changed since 6278 that has removed me from your lim pool? Also, what is your stance on Galron?

Could you expand on 6786?

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How does 3407 3415 come from a partner, including the Datisi quotes?

Although it's true he flips his vote around somewhat often, I see a consistency to it. For instance,he has come back to Eyes like, 4 times.

I liked the VP -> Nero flip but not so much the Nero -> out of hood flip since I was liking his insistence on hood scum as it seemed to not benefit him.

6221 is almost too good to be true.

1. Wasn't a real SR on Yeet, I was just feeling sassy :p

2. Recent posting has been arguably the best out of everyone alive. So yeah, welcome to the not lim pool club.

3. 6205, 6208, 6250, 6272. I am not sure scum acts like they are conf!biasing themselves out like this and then tells everyone that vig should shoot them if VPB flips town. Literally makes no sense to me from a scum POV to do that, but I am willing to reconsider. I do want them to answer my questions I just threw at them.

4. Good question, is this really even directed at me or...?

5. I was not wrong about the Titus thing was I?

The part after the == was not directed at you, yeah. Thanks for answering.

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Oh, and Galron read?

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That will be 4 fucking times April disagreed.

4

Malcolm, VP, Titus, and now Cape

Last time I got my way it was scum.

Wanna bet Cape is scum with April?

I don't think Cape's side of their interactions clicks well with that.

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Yeah, Cape’s been playing odd, and has done a lot of weird things if scum, but that might be by design.

I’m okay doing Cape first then Froggy tomorrow

Hmmm now she’s not okay with Cape first now that it is happening?

Similar to Titus

She said not VP.

I vote Cape

She votes VP.

This is blatant

That's a pretty good point.

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Oh. Okay. Well, Eyes is scum.

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Seems like a role you'd put in if there was a traitor and/or hood scum.

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I think all scum are probably in Cape frog eyes galron.

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it was a well played scumgame, if so

VOTE: Cape

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SInce it's quite obvious at this point, I'll confirm that I don't have an info role.

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It doesn't escape my notice that scum-fire on a 4+traitor team can win by killing Math tonight and faking a guilty tomorrow. It's a pretty damn well laid plan if that's what's happening so I rate it as pretty unlikely.

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I would honestly prefer to eliminate Eyes today in order to confirm that the town power level makes any sort of sense whatsoever.

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Fire's iso absolutely supports his claim. I could find crumbs as early as day 2. If this is fake, it was planned from the very start. Seems deeply unlikely.

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The traffic analyst from a setup spec standpoint makes much more sense as a scum power.

If Fire doesn’t die I’d be sus as hell but patiently analyze

No, any scum investigative power is a rolecop or Eyes trueclaiming. Nero's death has to be explained.

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The traffic analyst from a setup spec standpoint makes much more sense as a scum power.

If Fire doesn’t die I’d be sus as hell but patiently analyze

No, any scum investigative power is a rolecop or Eyes trueclaiming. Nero's death has to be explained.

Nero’s death if Fire is scum is simple
Nero’s PoE was accurate

If Nero was PR hunted then eyes or another PR

Titus was too eager to agree it was a PR kill.

No way. Nero was getting run up that day. It makes no sense.

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I know I'm not getting it, but we should be killing Eyes here every single time.

[tenebrousluminary]

N1 was a mason shot
N2 was an infinite shot psychologist
N3 was Nero
N4 was enchant

Vigs are ICs in normals can’t be given to town
I and HEM are mason clears

Now 4 shot follower, inf shot ta, inf shot psychologist.

Yes there’s two shot alien but …

You’re still looking at 1.5 checks a night accounting for alien.

Ta is the piece that doesn’t make sense here

It could be an OP setup which is why I am not demanding Fire’s head
But of the claims I believe limited shot eyes over infinite shot TA

I think the OPness can be chalked up to 5 scum.

Also, who ever even heard of a 4-shot anything?

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I think Math's point that Fire could easily be a mafia traffic analyzer is a good one, and the possibility of this is why I would not be in favour of eliminating eyes today. It is also, perhaps cautiously why I would rather not go with fire's first-choice lim of frogster, really as a precautionary measure more than anything else. That's what I'm thinking at least.

PEdit: I kind of get where Math is coming from here.

I feel as though a town flip from Eyes is the only thing that could possibly persuade me of fire scum. Otherwise, if fire fakes a guilty tomorrow I am going to vote wrong.

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Haha, that fire guy. Super suspicious, amiright?

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I also don't really think that reasons for townreading Scorpious hold up?

They don't. I'm still townreading him, but I'm done screaming about it.

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From a quick read-through I can't really find anything in ISOs that precludes Scorp/Cape/Frogster/Eyes from being scum together. Not a reason for them being together, but if there was something that meant X and Y could absolutely not be scum together then that would be something to look closely at in terms of thinking about possible teams.

I think my choise of elim would be Cape.

I prefer tene tbh in a fire town world.

Tene doesn’t sit right with me

I think you just don't like something about my tone or personality. I should be an easy read here.

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Expressing my reads is a town trait. You may be confirmed town, but I am just as confirmed town FMPOV.

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It seems like you want to scumread anyone who dares contradict you and that's absurd.

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Yeah I think I'll go back to "be wrong then." This is so pointless every time.

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VOTE: Frog

There are enough pseudo-confirmed town supporting this, and I don't want to vote with Eyes.

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i do think frog is likely but i don't think eyes should be a factor in that

Also I think Frog is more certain to be scum and I'm no longer very worried about this being some sort of scum master plan to save Cape now that I know Deas, Dragons and April can probably be trusted.

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Fine.

VOTE: Cape

[tenebrousluminary]

eyes prefers frog strongly.

Not sure why they aren't voting Frog, then.

[tenebrousluminary]

eyes prefers frog strongly.

Not sure why they aren't voting Frog, then.

Why aren't you?

I've tried to convince Math/Fire. They aren't convinced. I don't see any point in fighting it.

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Fine.

VOTE: Cape

Pay attention people...This is a scum vote..

You got me bruh. My obviously town motivated play all game was all part of my master plan and only you are clever enough to see through it.

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So Eyes' reaction to everything that's happened today is just nothing huh

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idk if cape scumbuddies really come to his defense like this but whatever

i think they wanted to bus frog lol

Agreed.

[tenebrousluminary]

Prediction: If this flips town, Math will live and somehow find a way to blame me for it.

[tenebrousluminary]

I am quite likely the only uncleared player who is not scum. I expect this game to end when Math decides to mislim me despite how painfully obvious my alignment should be because I did not strike his ego enough and dared to be right about a wide variety of topics, and I am preemptively mad about it.

VOTE: Frog

[tenebrousluminary]

April is not scum.

[tenebrousluminary]

I do apologize for my Scorp misread. I accept that it is in large part my fault that he is still with us.

[tenebrousluminary]

We should elim Frog then Eyes here and deal with Galron later or not at all.

[tenebrousluminary]

fireisredsir

has been found dead. They were a

Town Traffic Analyst

fireisredsir

You are a

Town Traffic Analyst

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may visit a player to investigate their communications. Assuming no interference, you will be informed "PLAYERNAME has communications.", "PLAYERNAME does not have communications.", or "You got no result investigating PLAYERNAME.". A player has communications if they are a member of a private thread with more than one living member, or a Mailman.

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

OH WAIT

FIRE most likely TA'd DV and Myself.

That means DV and I are both confirmed Not Groupscum.

Yeah, Galron scum equity definitely goes up here, but still think Frogster over Galron here, because traitor's less important to hit than Groupscum because traitor cant win on their own.

We do not need to guess. He claimed his results. Dragons was cleared as well. It is frog-eyes-scorp.

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I guess it could be frog-eyes-galron. That part doesn't matter so much.

[tenebrousluminary]

Literally all we need to do to win is not mislim me.

I doubt we can do it.

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Also, I believe Deas will be killed next, so he should provide any final thoughts.

[tenebrousluminary]

We actually can misfade you and still win

Not if it is 4 scum + traitor, which I suspect it is.

But yes, i am content with the innocent results. One of you could be traitor, but we don't need to eliminate the traitor so i do not care.

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My main fear is that Math will be the one making the decision in the end. I have faith in literally anyone else to see I am town over scorp/galron if they actually analyze the game.

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I probably should not have even said this but I have been stewing on it all night and anticipating the fire kill.

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Occurs to me that Scorp started suspecting me out of nowhere right around when he probably figured out scum couldn't win without killing me

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I'd be fine with going Eyes first if that's what the people want. I'm at about 99% on him and 95 on frog

[tenebrousluminary]

April can't be group scum and it makes no sense to aim for a traitor that might not even exist so pls put that out of your mind

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Galron could be group scum that got lucky though, especially if I was right that scum started with some info about our powers

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Like April has now been wrong 5 times in a row

We’re hitting MathBlade territory. So I really don’t want Frogger

I'm not the only one in this game.

I also was one of the only ones saying Cape had done a lot of anti-scum things, and actively said i wanted to do Frogger, and not Cape, but sheeped you all yesterday.

It absolutely does not matter if you're wrong throughout the game if you end up getting to the right positions.

I tried to push the momentum away from Cape multiple times too and was townreading him all game. I also tried to steer us away from the neighborhood all game, and we can now see that I was right.

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im personally starting to town read Tene this day phase and after everything.

@Tene - would you be willing to claim now? i think might as well have everyone's role.

Yes, I don't think claiming will hurt anything at this point, in fact there is probably so little to claim left that I will just do it.

I'm VT. I was trying to pull the kill away from yeet.

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Prediction: If this flips town, Math will live and somehow find a way to blame me for it.

I am quite likely the only uncleared player who is not scum. I expect this game to end when Math decides to mislim me despite how painfully obvious my alignment should be because I did not strike his ego enough and dared to be right about a wide variety of topics, and I am preemptively mad about it.

VOTE: Frog

Luminary,

Are you familiar with the Jungian concept of ego death?

Not really. I feel pretty confident there is going to be no point to this question.

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I do quite think it is frog. He has done no solving and posted nothing town from day 2 on. But we can do eyes first and talk about it tomorrow.

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Mentally I was pretending to be a Detective once I saw the Yeet flip, I thought it would fit nicely. Revised to odd night on the eyes claim, even though I figured he probably has rolecopped me. I knew my chances of getting killed were slim after the first time didn't work, but might as well try.

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Sorry that you have to be scum mate

[tenebrousluminary]

Imagine demanding accountability when you've done nothing at any point. How about you be accountable to your win condition and try to do something town, explain your solve, or literally anything?

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Lmao

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This shitty distancing isn't going to work.

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No shit!

[tenebrousluminary]

This shitty distancing isn't going to work.

Are you inferring that he's distancing with me?

No, with Eyes

[tenebrousluminary]

If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.

Maybe I should make a stance now?

VOTE: Frogsterking

There you go.

Yeah, I think Eyes has heavy traitor potential.

Their reads were very solid if you go check their early ISO.

"if my reads were perfect"

Then it might be this, this could also mean there's an additional scum in the game.

Either way, this leads more credibility to the Frogster is scum.

Wouldnt having good reads be poor play for a traitor?

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All caught up (unless new posts while I'm composing this)

Current reads:
[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]Aristeia/April Ludgate
[*]fua/Enchant, [*]Nero Cain, [*]VP Baltar
[*]fireisredsir, [*]DeasVail, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90

Scorpious

Datisi/Titus

Frogsterking,

tenebrousluminary

Again. Frog/Tene at the bottom, who else is there? Titus.

Eyes is traitor, Frog and Tene are scum partners with a possible Scorp thrown in.

What? Why would a traitor put the entire team at the bottom? I'm just the game winning mislim... there's not even an explanation for my moving around from him. Which is in lockstep with what Scorp is doing, incidentally.

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I’m convinced you guys really don’t want to solve this game you just want to go in these enormous circles..

It’s beyond trite..

If you’re shooting for 10k plus posts, cool. But think about that..

There have been 8000 posts… 8000

If you don’t have votes yet. I feel bad for you

What is trite is having not one reason to back up any of your reads 8000 posts into a game.

[tenebrousluminary]

Why am I scum?

You must have a great reason to be so certain!

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Why am I scum?

You must have a great reason to be so certain!

That’s twice now that you’ve clapped back at me when mocking the game..

Why would town care?

....if you're town I'd like to not lose, but clearly you aren't haha

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"Why would town care about sorting me" amazing logic. 10/10 I will now selfvote.

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I saw it too.

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Scum really just didnt notice the fire claim and got lucky huh

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We can do Eyes first. They're both scum, I don't care. I'm a little worried Math won't be willing to go for frog ever, although I don't fully understand on what basis, but right now I just need a fucking W and I don't care which one it is.

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Really helpful, thanks scorp

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Let's have some Frog Stew and move to the next day.

Azumarill is probably the correct play tomorrow, or deal within Scorp/Tene.

Disclaimer- if you are planning on deciding between the two of us based on content just lim me..
I have tried and tried and tried and this game is so dry, I get bored within 50 posts…

I don’t see what possibly more can be discussed. I’m not mocking either. I don’t see what “new” information I can bring to the table.

eh, im leaning Tene.

People keep saying you're good at this game.

It sure doesn't seem that way.

Maybe Math is right about this. Coming in and starting a super strong push against a townie would be great traitor play.

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VOTE: Mega

I don't trust april anymore.

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Frog, scorpio, and Galron are the only possible scum PRs. (Galron is a less chance because Galron would have to do the N1 kill)

There’s likely three group scum left and a traitor.

Eyes flip if scum (as it should be) ironically confirms StD/Deas mostly town VT and the likely scum if any in that list is tene

Tene Scorpio Eyes April is likely it or mostly it.

Tene/Scorpio could be TvS/SvT but has a scum in it.

If Eyes is town then StD/DV are conf VT or goon

So then StD and DV plus me if I live should drive tomorrow.

I could have probably gotten a Frog elim today by just not moving my vote. I'd be throwing the game away on purpose if your theory was correct. I thought we were past this

Dragons and Deas still cannot be goons. It is not possible. Please leave them alone.

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Like bruh why are Scorp and April both suddenly bussing me when they were in a great position to win by not doing that. It does not make sense.

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Surprised to see this outcome. I was sure the nightkills would be specifically designed to kill me. The only thing I can think of is that Math was the main force protecting Frog, but idk.

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My issue is parts of me trust both Tene and Scorpious, but I don’t think it’s TvT, I just don’t know which one it is.

The scum in them, if true to be TvS, has done well to position for those of us in the game.

Outside perspective like a dead thread can probably see it incredibly obvious, but they have that special vantage point watching from that DBZ cliff where baby Trunks was introduced

I am sort of astounded that you see some sort of spectacular positioning in Scorp's gameplay when it has mainly been to do nothing and refuse to explain anything.

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So frogster was wagoned 3 times, and 3 times the counterwagon was flipped, and all 3 times it was town, and he's still alive?

eyes did not fliptown. i dont fully agree with all of april's characterization of the game. i don't think all of those frog wagons were that significant. granted i am leaning he's scum, but you should have accurate information

overnight i was thinking your slot is just mafia, feel free to try to show otherwise

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I wonder if it's actually valid for me to just straight up OMGUS as my entire basis for reads since I essentially know for a fact that there is no way for scum to win without eliminating me.

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Surprised to see this outcome. I was sure the nightkills would be specifically designed to kill me. The only thing I can think of is that Math was the main force protecting Frog, but idk.

they are designed to have me faded over you.

Can't be. Eliming you objectively makes no sense and will never happen.

My issue is parts of me trust both Tene and Scorpious, but I don’t think it’s TvT, I just don’t know which one it is.

The scum in them, if true to be TvS, has done well to position for those of us in the game.

Outside perspective like a dead thread can probably see it incredibly obvious, but they have that special vantage point watching from that DBZ cliff where baby Trunks was introduced

I am sort of astounded that you see some sort of spectacular positioning in Scorp's gameplay when it has mainly been to do nothing and refuse to explain anything.

What do you mean? The do nothing is more likely to be town, the positioning would be scum, so not sure what you're arguing here.

You said "the scum has done well to position"
If Scorp is scum he hasn't done anything well
That holds if he's town too actually

VOTE: Mega

I don't trust april anymore.

This was the most odd post by Tene.

We were on Frogster together, but then I go and case Eyes for like half a page, and then they state this, and go the person I had just cased?

I honestly have no recollection of this Eyes case. I was just looking at the vote count and seeing my company and I was like, you know, I don't think I want to vote with April and Scorp, I want to vote with Math and like Dragons or whoever it was.

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I wonder if Math was killed because he wanted to get Galron. I think he still wanted that, right?

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Surely it's not because I was going to argue I would never have killed Deas. While that's true, I can't imagine it would have worked as an argument.

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Sometimes I don't know if I like this "it must be tene or scorp" narrative. While Scorp is certainly playing like scum, if it were Frog/Galron/April, that would be very advantageous for them to promote.

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Eh, that seems unlikely, though. Does traitor-April really camp on a Frog vote for that long and risk having to win the game without him? Seems suicidal.

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Sight reading has me leaning to Deas/tene team..

Shit like this is how I know that your read on me is baseless. You clearly aren't reading the game.

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Sight reading has me leaning to Deas/tene team..

Shit like this is how I know that your read on me is baseless. You clearly aren't reading the game.

Quiet scum…

lol this is so pathetic

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VOTE: Scorp

Despite the earlier flashes of town, at this point dude is so committed to not making the slightest effort that I don't see what else I can possibly do

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Why are you eliminating the Galron slot from suspicion?

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I'm not sure. His play has been pretty underwhelming, but I am currently reading into the Math nightkill and thinking it might be a sign that he's the mistake.

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I don't think we are, but we probably should be.

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Well I have claimed VT and so has Scorp. Not sure if anyone else has. I don't think we need an order, I can't imagine there being more than one non-VT claim.

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That makes me nervous but I'll try to stay strong.

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Oh never mind you can't possibly be setting a team up to QH since there is no possible team that could. Ok. This is ok.

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Hard to feel too bad about that one

Thanks for modding

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We definitely were not in the 70th percentile of anything, except maybe being contrary