hi, i'm large normal 242. and i'm over with.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

preliminary Thoughts: at least one of maria/frog are mafia. Neri feels subdued but i wont push it just based on that bc i like them like this and prefer it that way

VOTE: frog

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Oh ya also marci obvtown

[Big Chungus Gaming]

what day is this

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I mean this might have been a scum slot after all

So because I'm voting you I'm automatically mafia?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

what day is this

also i figured this out from the last votecount on my own, it day 1. some of the conversation i saw seemed to imply there was a night phase so I was confused.

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Whether for the reasons presented or not so far I think Maria looks quite scummy here. There's a cagey defensiveness to some of their posts after being accused which vibes with me as scum trying to clear their name but not wanting to look overly desperate but panicky while doing so.

I think Fennec vs Frog is TvT. Fennec very much feels like they're thinking out loud in the thread in a townie way, while I find Frog's play can be quite erratic but engaged when they are town. I'm not particularly seeing strong scum motivation from either of them at the moment.

on a frogs wolf flip, this is almost certainly a partner

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could the people pushing fennec please explain why you're pushing the slot? with quotes, preferably. I am not seeing the reason at all.

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Whether for the reasons presented or not so far I think Maria looks quite scummy here. There's a cagey defensiveness to some of their posts after being accused which vibes with me as scum trying to clear their name but not wanting to look overly desperate but panicky while doing so.

I think Fennec vs Frog is TvT. Fennec very much feels like they're thinking out loud in the thread in a townie way, while I find Frog's play can be quite erratic but engaged when they are town. I'm not particularly seeing strong scum motivation from either of them at the moment.

on a frogs wolf flip, this is almost certainly a partner

You're wasting your time and ours building all your reads around a scum!Frog flip which isn't going to happen. You can see I'm unlikely to be scum from activity alone. I don't consider these bad preflip associative takes to be game advancing content.

The first problem being that I'm not scum, the second being that it isn't really likely that I would be scum FYPOV, the third being that I'm probably not going to get flipped this game, and the fourth and final problem is that there's not a lot of reason to believe there is any meaningful connection between malcolm and I based on what you quoted.

ok we can test that by putting majority votes on you and see how hard it is to kill your slot then
who is mafia in your view?

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Whether for the reasons presented or not so far I think Maria looks quite scummy here. There's a cagey defensiveness to some of their posts after being accused which vibes with me as scum trying to clear their name but not wanting to look overly desperate but panicky while doing so.

I think Fennec vs Frog is TvT. Fennec very much feels like they're thinking out loud in the thread in a townie way, while I find Frog's play can be quite erratic but engaged when they are town. I'm not particularly seeing strong scum motivation from either of them at the moment.

on a frogs wolf flip, this is almost certainly a partner

You're wasting your time and ours building all your reads around a scum!Frog flip which isn't going to happen. You can see I'm unlikely to be scum from activity alone. I don't consider these bad preflip associative takes to be game advancing content.

The first problem being that I'm not scum, the second being that it isn't really likely that I would be scum FYPOV, the third being that I'm probably not going to get flipped this game, and the fourth and final problem is that there's not a lot of reason to believe there is any meaningful connection between malcolm and I based on what you quoted.

ok we can test that by putting majority votes on you and see how hard it is to kill your slot then
who is mafia in your view?

Does it matter or are you just a troll alt?

Who's mafia?

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I'm down to policy Big Chungus after a couple maf flips.

so chaining you into malcom will work? good to know.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

real talk - if you're town frog, the best way for us to find eachother is for you not to be obtuse and have a honest heart to heart with me. what are you working with right now? who do you trust the most? who should i look at with more scrutiny?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

signed, Big Gaming chungus

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: Maria

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maria

squints

Spoiler:

2 bears

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I'm back baybee

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VOTE: big chungus gaming

I am here to game, big leages, big chungus

Cape why are you voting BCG?

1. Clearly haven't tried reading the thread even though it isn't too hard.
2. 400

I thought this was a p scummy post before the site nuked itself.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: big chungus gaming

I am here to game, big leages, big chungus

Cape why are you voting BCG?

1. Clearly haven't tried reading the thread even though it isn't too hard.
2. 400

I thought this was a p scummy post before the site nuked itself.

Like Frogsterking for instance, it really didn't seem like you wanted to actually solve that slot despite Frogsterking saying a lot

Whats your solve of frogsterking slot?

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I was worried at first that Big Chungus was a game thrower but I'm pretty sure it's just a scum slot. I'm getting a strong troll vibe from them which reminds me of when NK15 replaced into Gamma's mini Normal. I ignored it in that game but now I think that tone is AI.

Gamma, how sure are you on Maria? I have three solid SRs right now including her. I'd say I'm

moderate

certainty on all three of Maria, Chung, and Greeting being scum, and my Maria read is pretty dependent on the feedback you've provided about her meta.

I am pretty sure Claire is scum. The fact she’s avoided engaging with my read on her when last game, I was wrong on her and she was not afraid to say so, says a lot to me.

Can you cite this?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Gamma how do you feel about frogsterking?

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Gamma how do you feel about frogsterking?

Was iffy on him early but I think he’s town now
What do you think of Toog?

I ask the questions here.

Why were you iffy and what made them town?

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Gamma how do you feel about frogsterking?

Was iffy on him early but I think he’s town now
What do you think of Toog?

I ask the questions here.

Why were you iffy and what made them town?

VOTE: big chungus gaming

I am here to game, big leages, big chungus

Cape why are you voting BCG?

1. Clearly haven't tried reading the thread even though it isn't too hard.
2. 400

I thought this was a p scummy post before the site nuked itself.

Like Frogsterking for instance, it really didn't seem like you wanted to actually solve that slot despite Frogsterking saying a lot

Whats your solve of frogsterking slot?

I would have to relook but I think he was one of the townier slots in terms of how he was solving

What made you suspect him in the first place?

Is your Maria read independent?

See: p#550

I think you gamma and frogster are fairly paired so its very important we see some receipts. I want to flip one of you 3, primarily Frogster.

Anyways this sudden toog push when the push on me flopped is funny

Mafia is too easy.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Really? I skimmed frogster iso at some point on saturday before site went down
I don't see anything like that. What *I* read was distancing style interactions because they never really went anywhere

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@toog do you have any confident reads atm either way?
Do you think your wagon is pure, if not, whos scum on it in your view?

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Oh yeah, I forgot to talk about Nero

Like I know I have said Nero has been hedgy

But at least Nero has been direct with how they feel about my slot 49/53

I feel like some random thoughts that Nero has had have looked like they had a towny throughline such as 57/80, specifically, "If he's scum that read on Gamma for slightly silly reasoning looks like buddying."/90.

So Nero has been direct with his suspicion on me and has had some posts that I feel like would be strange if he were mafia ie. mafia know I am flipping town so immediately partnering me up with Gamma doesn't feel scum motivated.

You're probably Town BUT your analysis on Nero is lacking in critical thinking. You need to find your inner zen and try again with Nero.

Like this is not a "sorting" post, this is "let me post a read i want to state and then try to justify it with something unrelated"

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Yea, can we wagon frogster here rofl

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After frogster go cape and that will crack the game open, gamma looks pretty bad off that, toog prob spewed town. Probably more.

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Also mariar is one of the best players of this game so the fact we have scumreads that align is a sign i think she is town between frog/maria

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Actually wait thats circular logic but fuck you it works

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I think im biased towards frogster being scum over maria tho mainly cuz i see multiple people able to be paired with frog

[Big Chungus Gaming]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

I'm not getting eliminated lol

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Gamma how do you feel about frogsterking?

Was iffy on him early but I think he’s town now
What do you think of Toog?

I ask the questions here.

Why were you iffy and what made them town?

piss off

Hook line sinker

[Big Chungus Gaming]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

Sorry ill leave some mafia for the rest of town ): there should be like 5 so theyll have something

@mariar do u see what im seeing wrt frog cape gamma btw?

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@toog do you have any confident reads atm either way?
Do you think your wagon is pure, if not, whos scum on it in your view?

Not really.
Maybe; maybe not.
I dunno.

If I'm elimmed though, I'd like the honor of at least picking my hammer.

Oh i see (;

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VOTE: maria

since my vote on Kitty is useless. Not sure why ppl town read that.

Do people really think scum!toog was like "I'm going to not try today and announce this fact in my second post"

Cuz I don't

there is a reason I havent swapped over there

cuz u saw the venge soft and dont wanna be asked to hammer

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: maria

since my vote on Kitty is useless. Not sure why ppl town read that.

kinda rude gamma

Since when do you care

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Do people really think scum!toog was like "I'm going to not try today and announce this fact in my second post"

Cuz I don't

VOTE: malcomtucker
fuck it we ball

hi enchant

[Big Chungus Gaming]

If this is a villager it locks one of Pooky/Toog wolf for me if it's a wolf? Well, easy.

y u ignore me

[Big Chungus Gaming]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

Sorry ill leave some mafia for the rest of town ): there should be like 5 so theyll have something

@mariar do u see what im seeing wrt frog cape gamma btw?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

policy Big Chungus Gaming

bad for gamestate

Sorry ill leave some mafia for the rest of town ): there should be like 5 so theyll have something

@mariar do u see what im seeing wrt frog cape gamma btw?

Okay this seems like a scum post
5 scum in a 16 player game is very unlikely

you mistake me for someone who looked at more than the game type when replacing in. I am only now just learning we have only 16 players. i see large, i assume 4-6 scum so "like 5" is a normal response. are you sure this is just a "bad villager" maria?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

as far as malcolmtucker goes i'm not a fan but i'm willing to give him a chance to catch up today

Whats your read on him then?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

643 is a flail defense if I've ever seen a flail defense before.

whats your read on him

I asked first

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charloux and std are town

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Though

Frog

kinda has a point, the Crescent/

BCG

slot is bad and we might need to just policy elim them.

?? I'm literally trying? Why policy

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I was gonna post a read list but too lazy bc im on mobile. Remind me after work
It should be obvious im.town btw since the case against me amounts to "policy "

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pooky why did you find crescent suspicious? Can you explain your read there?

No marci, do not sheep pooky, I'm town

I just got home btw reads list incoming.

Full disclosure i havent read most of the game yet.

@std i think ur town but maria is srsly not the play here. Pls consider voting with me here: VOTE: frogster

kitty is prob town here, i think they're grossly wrong, but probably town.

@charloux, consider reading some of STDs recent stuff. Let off the gas. Let the slot breathe. Their reaction is towny. If you are looking for them to do something you gotta let em breathe i get you feel you "got" them but considee that... you dont.

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or maybe she is actually going thru something and that easily explains it and its massively rude for you to assume she's randing out because of being mafia.

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Though

Frog

kinda has a point, the Crescent/

BCG

slot is bad and we might need to just policy elim them.

It isn't a policy if they're legit scummy. If they were just a townie-looking player with a bad playstyle it would be a policy and I oppose that. But it isn't imho.

one reason i called it policy is that I didn't think BCG was actually scummy

so whats the reason for policy then

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marcistar
Save The Dragons
Charloux
MariaR
Fennec
Greeting
KittyTacky
Toogeloo
Enchant
PookyTheMagicalBear
Gamma Emerald
MalcolmTucker
Cape90
Frogsterking




SirRhett putting this dude here bc i legit havent read a single post by them


where im roughly at

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or maybe she is actually going thru something and that easily explains it and its massively rude for you to assume she's randing out because of being mafia.

you asked me why I voted for her

I explained why

also how the fuck am i being rude to Crescent she's literally not even here rofl

there's a very easy plausible explaination why she isn't posting and it's that? ergo that's going to lead you to misread her very easily

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charloux and std are town

ur bad

bruh Gamma

What
Even if I overlook BCG TRing two people I don’t, they’re also pushing 3 slots that I think are town (and 1 that I know is town)

maybe dont roll scum against me

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charloux and std are town

ur bad

bruh Gamma

What
Even if I overlook BCG TRing two people I don’t, they’re also pushing 3 slots that I think are town (and 1 that I know is town)

maybe dont roll scum against me

Maybe don’t be a fucking creep
You hide behind this newbie facade but it’s painfully obvious who you are. Given that, your play seems remarkably like last time I saw scum!you.

i haven't had a "newbie" facade. I indicated I knew several people including you just was lying on the down low.

and no, that's quite impossible for this to resemble the last time you saw scum me other than it matching me personality wise.

you couldn't even explain basic progression on your reads and got caught. its ok. better luck next time.

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But I prefer BCG today.

I think Fenrir might be a better vote because his Claire vote looks like scum trying to put momentum back onto a town wagon

so scum is std and I, we're both on different vanity wagons, and just allowing this cross to build. very good theory gamma. let's see if anyone actually buys it.

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i join games on alts so i can act more chill and not have to go as hard as i normally do but then gamma has to go and intentioanlly force me to revert back, probably intentional here to bait me into being aggro so he can hide behind the shield and then out my main as a weapon.

no, you will not.
VOTE: Gamma

This is not town.

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Though

Frog

kinda has a point, the Crescent/

BCG

slot is bad and we might need to just policy elim them.

It isn't a policy if they're legit scummy. If they were just a townie-looking player with a bad playstyle it would be a policy and I oppose that. But it isn't imho.

one reason i called it policy is that I didn't think BCG was actually scummy

so whats the reason for policy then

1. You were not reading the game CLEARLY. Acting like it at least.
2. You are looking at the game through the lens of extreme bias and this really annoying "I am right" lens that will make us lose the game if we pay full attention to you.

So while I don't think either of these things necessarily point to scum, it's an anti-town playstyle that frankly annoys me

im allowed to have as much confidence as i'd like on things tyvm lmfao

interesting that this standard doesn't hold for you for gamma who is actually playing up a "i am right" lens or frog who well, is frogsterking, and as well as pooky too who has naked shifted votes and not attempted to sort my slot genuinely.

but yeah, i'm not reading "clearly" or whatever? nah you saw someone mention a policy and you wanted to force me to be PoE via that.

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charloux and std are town

ur bad

bruh Gamma

What
Even if I overlook BCG TRing two people I don’t, they’re also pushing 3 slots that I think are town (and 1 that I know is town)

maybe dont roll scum against me

Maybe don’t be a fucking creep
You hide behind this newbie facade but it’s painfully obvious who you are. Given that, your play seems remarkably like last time I saw scum!you.

i haven't had a "newbie" facade. I indicated I knew several people including you just was lying on the down low.

and no, that's quite impossible for this to resemble the last time you saw scum me other than it matching me personality wise.

you couldn't even explain basic progression on your reads and got caught. its ok. better luck next time.

I opted not to explain because when I asked you a question in response to yours you got pompous
So I’m not gonna play ball with you when you’re just gonna be an assclown. Instead you can just die.

you keep using these insults, but I do not think you understand the meaning of them.

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i join games on alts so i can act more chill and not have to go as hard as i normally do but then gamma has to go and intentioanlly force me to revert back, probably intentional here to bait me into being aggro so he can hide behind the shield and then out my main as a weapon.

no, you will not.
VOTE: Gamma

This is not town.

I assure you there was ulterior motive but I’m still not scum. But yeah you just confirmed my whole triple-imposter theory I had on you. You’re a sick fuck and I kinda thought of you as a friend before but I sure as hell don’t now!

ok i dont care about your personal issues im playing a game, stop calling me names thinking i replaced in solely to troll you or whatever. im not entertaining this and this is the last time i publicly bring this up and warn you about doing this.

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Though

Frog

kinda has a point, the Crescent/

BCG

slot is bad and we might need to just policy elim them.

It isn't a policy if they're legit scummy. If they were just a townie-looking player with a bad playstyle it would be a policy and I oppose that. But it isn't imho.

one reason i called it policy is that I didn't think BCG was actually scummy

so whats the reason for policy then

1. You were not reading the game CLEARLY. Acting like it at least.
2. You are looking at the game through the lens of extreme bias and this really annoying "I am right" lens that will make us lose the game if we pay full attention to you.

So while I don't think either of these things necessarily point to scum, it's an anti-town playstyle that frankly annoys me

im allowed to have as much confidence as i'd like on things tyvm lmfao

interesting that this standard doesn't hold for you for gamma who is actually playing up a "i am right" lens or frog who well, is frogsterking, and as well as pooky too who has naked shifted votes and not attempted to sort my slot genuinely.

but yeah, i'm not reading "clearly" or whatever? nah you saw someone mention a policy and you wanted to force me to be PoE via that.

Gamma apparently knows who you are and thinks you are scum, or just Gamma wants to push you for personal reasons, I can't tell. Actually I am seeing the ladder.

I have 0 idea who you are. I am very certain you are not the only other player who I would know who does make a lot of alt accounts. Like the person I am thinking of would legit find me as town in 0.5 seconds of reading me if they are town so obviously you are not them if you are town, so I don't think we familiar with each other if this is the case.

With Gamma, I can at least see a level of reading and a sense of actually being caught up before talking being shown.

Given my theory about BCG being confirmed, I also saw them approach being behind very differently as town before recently

ok now you're just openwolfing rofl

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you know for a fact that my townplay is not 1 dimensional and depends on how the game goes so this is just more fluffed up shit to make a push on me happen

[Big Chungus Gaming]

we have gone for too long without killing someone plz consolidate tyvm

this is anti town, no.
the only reason its been "so long" was because of the site going down

u scum pooky? u happy with the current wagons?

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you know for a fact that my townplay is not 1 dimensional and depends on how the game goes so this is just more fluffed up shit to make a push on me happen

Bruh
I would still rather vote out Fenrir for info

"for info"

*ignores the fact that STD's recent posting is increcibly towny bc thats incredibly inconvenient*

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gamma is doing a scum tactic where he pushes me hard, gets people to sheep, and is now backing off so that he can wipe his hands clean of the damage while being the primary reason that my slot is even on the table.


most of the arguments against my slot have boiled down to "dont like playstyle" and "policy", if argument is even provided, both of which are frankly barely applicable here and are meant to distract from facts.

frogster and gamma are so painfully obviously paired it is like a big red sign that says "mafia here"

[Big Chungus Gaming]

good luck getting std to go over after me btw bc when i flip town I legacy assign them as one of my stronger townreads and i wish you much luck in outting yourself more by going against it.

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Enchant is kinda just like the other games I have played with Enchant so I do not know how to actually read that slot at all

Counterpoint this other game Enchant has been a part of which contradicts everything I just said: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=88671

VOTE: Enchant

Easiest mafia game of my life

anyone who claims they can accurately read enchant is a liar, especially while trying to hamfist meta into the read. that being said i have the slot in PoE and could even feasibly be paired with frog/gamma

[Big Chungus Gaming]

people please answer: why do people townread gamma/frog?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

like this is very reminiscent of what i see from STD when they get pushed like this and are constantly forced on the defensive - no one wants to give the slot breathing room, i promise u will see what i see if the slot is allowed to breathe. that being said im pretty sure its a primarily scum driven push between std/myself so it will be hard to probably actually get that - however if you're town repeating that std is scum - perhaps try not to and let them breathe a little because they do better when they have more free reign

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Yeah, I'm sold that BCG is a good flip for Town.

No ur not lmao
Ur only reason for pushing me is bc im pushing you and gamma ROFL

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Honestly it is entirely incongruent with frogs history of doing gamethrow level plays in the past for him to be pushing policy on me this way - and thus why he is pretty much caught here atp.
The maria push was similarly just omgus fueled iirc from what i read. Frog isnt thinking critically about this game, its just whoever pushes frogs=mafia

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Yeah, I'm sold that BCG is a good flip for Town.

No ur not lmao
Ur only reason for pushing me is bc im pushing you and gamma ROFL

Partly yes, you're also incendiary and pushing Cape who I townread and you're townsending Dragons who I don't.

LMFAOOO THIS IS SO RICH COMING FROM YOU
absolutely fake

[Big Chungus Gaming]

am i misreading ur partner std who ur bussing? Is that why ur trying to tie me to them?
@std how do u read frogs push on you, please ellaborate on this dynamic

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i join games on alts so i can act more chill

You're also clearly a liar, so I think you will enjoy playing scum the exact way you're playing this game right now.

Wheres the lie in that statement? Is my entrance not chill? Do you know my main?(you shouldnt unless... gamma fed it to you in the scum pt)
So no. You tried. You failed.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Ive seen you break down and basically throw at least twice, so no.
Actually you claiming you havent played with me gives me pause on you/gamma being paired so maybe maria was right lol
VOTE: frogster

[Big Chungus Gaming]

frogster is exhibiting scum behavior where he does not have a real read on me. He is creating a conclusion and trying to work backwards from it. This is what less experienced scum will slip up on often and why analyzing people's pushes is effective at finding mafia. Look at how frog pushes my slot - and look at how he justifies it, look at how he does it with maria as well. There is no genuine progression. Hes just arbitrarily determined to find my slot as scum because i am inconvenient in the gamestate as I am pushing his slot. He has scrambled to find reasoning but as my play has been actually towny thus far it falls flat.

I think I recall frogster accusing someone of flailing earlier - i think that accusation was projection.

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FYI Chungus, trolls are often more effective when it isn't obvious what they're doing, you remind me of grade school too much to get a rise out of me. Have a good night and good luck pooping up the thread.

I'm not the one shitting up thread by posting random reads without reasoning.

Feel free to actually rebut with a proper argument and we can talk tho

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Also my posts are not what you'd ever call "shitting up the thread".
They're normal posts for a mafia game and a player who is invested in it. Trying to spin a false narrative that I'm posting too much and thus bad for the game.

The fact frogster is not getting more votes right now is frankly - embarassing

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KT and Charloux just sitting on the sidelines trying to stir the pot by calling people scum without providing substantial reads is starting to make me question

Oh i'm sorry; Was i supposed to keep quiet and let the day pass hoping something would happen?

BCG is prob a troll; I have no idea what pooky/toog/enchant are thinking. That's 1/4 of the people with a question mark for their actions.

So hell yeah i'm going to stir the pot!

Please ellaborate - how am I trolling?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

also cape has moved up in my reads since last i posted abt them

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: enchant

[Big Chungus Gaming]

hello NM would you like to join big chungus gaming

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i still think STD pretty towny and i think this push is scum motivated bc STD is historically an easy miselim :/

[Big Chungus Gaming]

@std can u like do anything to just spew urself town like i think u are town and don't want to have u go over and then i die and we're back at square one

[Big Chungus Gaming]

r u willing to die to save std

hell no

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Can somebody please give me a brief summary of the game so far?

only if you join big chungus gaming

[Big Chungus Gaming]

lmaoooo pranked

[Big Chungus Gaming]

That's hilarious this site bans good players when they get put on tilt by trolls or players who are aggressively anti town for *whatever reason* they play that way. Why not ban the trolls/aggressively anti town players instead? Or at least delegate them to certain games only. I don't think NM counts as a troll or aggressively anti town because he doesn't intentionally disrupt the people who are actively solving in the thread, like Chungus has been doing since he replaced in.

With my approach you cultivate a community more people in general want to play in over time? Instead of less people?

L-O-L

can you quote which posts of mine are trolling/anti town?

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@frogster which posts of mine are trolling? I am trying to understand your thought process but you come off as a frustrated scum who doesnt know how to get me off their back

[Big Chungus Gaming]

@frogster which posts of mine are trolling? I am trying to understand your thought process but you come off as a frustrated scum who doesnt know how to get me off their back

viewtopic.php?p=13516214&user_select%5B ... #p13516214

no I want you to actually pin point specific posts so we can discuss your thought process.

you're being unhelpful and should be policied for this kind of behavior if you dont want to be cooperative and help people understand your thought process.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

please stop trolling the game

[Big Chungus Gaming]

because as far as I can see, the only reason you call me a troll is because I am pushing your slot and that feels like a way to discredit my push on you by trying to attribute my play to something its clearly not.

its also intensely ironic considering your play in games such as KTANE where you blew up the IC, you should be the last person to call others trolls.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: frog

ok just policy this

[Big Chungus Gaming]

this is obnoxious frogster but not with the passion that you feel from town obnoxious frogster

this is someone trying to desperately push someone off fosing their slot and not wanting to use a nightkill on them because crescent was probably an assigned mislim bc of her lowposting and flaking


frog if you are town and playing like this, im disappointed and I cannot say I did not try to extend several olive branches to understand you. i read your posts, I calculated scenarios, and the scenarios where you are mafia are the most likely. if you are town you can reduce that by actaully coming clean about why your thought process is the way it is. otherwise I am sticking to my guts and sticking here.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: enchant

Opportunism.

why am i scum again?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ur assigning actions and trying to justify a scum reason - but why is there no town reason there?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: frog

ok just policy this

OMGUS amogus.

You:
1) scum flailed
2) trolled in a disruptive way
3) made weird votes
4) were opportunistic
5) gave me bad vibes

this is a load of nothing.

"flailing" is not a real thing. i was getting into the game. this is how I may normally come off as

trolling? I direct you to the same question I asked frog - WHERE. where is the trolling? Answer: there is none and this is a non point.

weird votes? I can explain each and every one of my votes. ask me about any of my votes. I will explain why I made them.

opportunistic? or perhaps I'm consolidating somewhere - such as to save a person I believe is town - something that should be normalized. or perhaps I moved my vote to someone to add more pressure to them to sort them. see how easy it is to find these reasons?

bad vibes? skill issue.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

kitty can you walk me through why you think frog and gamma are both town?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

after you point out which posts of mine are trolling, actually. I want to know what you're seeing as "trolling".

[Big Chungus Gaming]

maybe u can query frogster in ur scum pt what he saw since i think you borrowed that read from him

[Big Chungus Gaming]

this clown puts me in a teamsolve and then turns around and lists me as a tr wtf is this

cuz they pulled the reads list from the scum pt they were planning and forgot to update their progression cuz it was not real

[Big Chungus Gaming]

u defended me so you had to be pushed so i could be a miselimination

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Greeting is at 2 votes and needs 7 more. Once they get close BGC or someone will hammer to get their silly bus cred.

Here's a list of Town people who can vote greeting:

Furtive
Pooky
Toogle
NM
Malcolm

*Marci

Pedit

*Wait marci voted dragons? Add marci

Frogster is not even reading any of my posts and their scumread on me is fabricated, assuming I would hammer greeting after stating this:

marcistar
Save The Dragons
Charloux
MariaR
Fennec
Greeting
KittyTacky
Toogeloo
Enchant
PookyTheMagicalBear
Gamma Emerald
MalcolmTucker
Cape90
Frogsterking




SirRhett putting this dude here bc i legit havent read a single post by them


where im roughly at

is crazy outting.

like there's so much evidence in the thread that frogster is just making up reads and not even reading to sort people. how much more obvious can it be?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

frog's read list is full of weird and vague reasoning, not a single frog read has any sort of real depth, a few have reasonings from in game but theyre all based on how they're reading the players frogster is pushing.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Bribes are strong. Ego weak.

VOTE: Greeting

how are you reading frog?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

marci, am I still shady uwu?

ur mid

Marci there's like no way you're Town here lmao

thats what ive been saying!! stop stealing my reads smhs
why dont u set up a wagon on me if ur so sure? i bet u wont : P you saw in lost i went pretty far, are you not afraid? (:

Marci why are you trying to derail the Greeting wagon?

cuz i like greeting as a person. (nah i just have a gut feeling rn and i wanna test)
my turn, why were you so buddy buddy w me until i voiced my feelings on u

I could see marci/mariar/bgc/greeting

nah ur one dimensional thinking

u should consider frogster is just not town and thats why the 1 dimensional thinking *kpop dance*

[Big Chungus Gaming]

@Mod :

I unvoted std, and didn't vote for malcolm

I only have 2 townreads right now and that's Frog and cape. Had a townread on fennec/furtive but it's been kinda fading over time. Not a fan of furtive so far.

My only scum read is Malcolm, and std by extension to him. Malcolm is on V/LA so no point in pushing him.

Maria, Pooky and Gamma/NM i will let be for today.

I'm up for a policy execution on BCG and toog. Toog turned his brain off and is just parroting. Hate BCG whole "Higher than thou" and "can't touch me" attitude following Gamma ban. His exe would bring the game some peace.

Titus, Greeting, Enchant, Kitty and Marci are null. I admit i haven't been paying much attention to Kitty and Greeting.
The priority right now should be me getting a read on Greeting, but the chance of me getting a townread strong enough that i refuse to vote is slim at best.
If i noticed anything scummy at a glance they wouldn't be null right now.

maybe u would get better reads if you townhunted over scumhunting - you seem to be worried more about finding scum than town when that is the completely wrong strategy in larges. also policy elims are cringe + i havent done anything deserving of a policy, you're just mad i'm more invested and passionate.
regardless ill drag u to a win whether or not u like it, frog won't nightkill me and i will be alowed to carry

[Big Chungus Gaming]

just because your confidence is flaccid doesnt mean everyone else's should be too

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I'll explain all my reads when I have time, in a few hours.

sounds good. i had fennec as fairly towny b4 they were replaced so nice to see you're continuing the trend.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I'll explain all my reads when I have time, in a few hours.

sounds good. i had fennec as fairly towny b4 they were replaced so nice to see you're continuing the trend.

Do you like the 'you're town if I'm town' idea then?

i totally understand it as a "sort me later dude i think you're town here" kinda deal, i've done similar in the past so i relate and think its def good

[Big Chungus Gaming]

just because your confidence is flaccid doesnt mean everyone else's should be too

Yes and nothing speaks confidence more than a guy using an alt with a vpn and a virtual machine who likes to antagonize everyone and anyone while having a giggle. Oh how i envy you---

Spoiler:

we have never played before anyways so it doesnt matter that you don't know who I am rofl.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

furtive why do u think frog is town?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

why is game suddenly dead

[Big Chungus Gaming]

stop having lives

[Big Chungus Gaming]

why is game suddenly dead

viewtopic.php?p=13516214&user_select%5B ... #p13516214

can you stop trolling the game?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

actually no, dont stop trolling so its easier to get people to vote you

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Oh ProfessorDrapion is back in the bunny alt trying to vote me out for his third game, third account in a row.

If I go to read professordrapion's games and see that they are nothing like me, I dearly hope that people finally start seeing you are full of shit and make sure you die here.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I see that shut you up now that everyone knows who you are. Good.

this is a forum game, not a chat game.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

there are some parallels but the typing style is significantly different enough where I think you are lying that you genuinely thought I was this player, especially since I brought up KTANE which this player likely does not know about

[Big Chungus Gaming]

viewtopic.php?p=13442655&user_select%5B ... #p13442655

you decide if frogs is full of shit or not - I think its not an honest claim he is making about me, and he should probably be policied for trolling (: (and also just in general being scummy + lying to advance pushes)

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I see that shut you up now that everyone knows you are a liar. Good.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

what's odd is that .. you have never played with professordrapion, so it makes no sense for you to assume I am them either. That's another strike mr frog, but even though you've been struck out for a while

[Big Chungus Gaming]

especially since I brought up KTANE which this player likely does not know about

lolcatting now?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

frogster is trying so hard to mask that the reason he pushes me is because I push his slot - trying to contrive reasons such as "trolling" and such -> a townie has no reason to lie in this manner about their reads. If frogster genuinely thinks someone is scum and is town - they can find real reasons to pick out and explain them. The fact frogster has on several occasions dodged this and has shown incapability of doing this is a sign he is just scum here and is just more or less flailing about trying to avoid the hard questions I am throwing at his slot.

VOTE: FrogsterKing
VOTE: FrogsterKing
VOTE: FrogsterKing
VOTE: FrogsterKing

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Frogster, which game did you read from ProfessorDrapion that made you believe I was an alt of that account? This is not a friendly question - this is me testing you further. The more questions you dodge, the more you are incriminated so speak carefully

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I take back what I said about Elementary school: I think I would have found you hilarious in Middle School.

Have a good night, Drap.

can someone else fucking question this dude with the questions i have tried to get answered? i am not in the mood for this obnoxious immaturity.

like fucking put pressure on this, this is annoying that all of you are like "hmmm yes i think this is towny behavior" like no fucking just because this dude has a history of being obnoxious as town doesnt mean they cant lean into it as scum? this is probably the most easy aspect of frogster that he can do and its just personality based.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

viewtopic.php?p=13442655&user_select%5B ... #p13442655

you decide if frogs is full of shit or not - I think its not an honest claim he is making about me, and he should probably be policied for trolling (: (and also just in general being scummy + lying to advance pushes)

if this even is you, you are extremely different that game

Something I feel is up since you just very conveniently pulled that up

it isn't me, "conveniently"?
go look at drapion's completed games. there's like 3 of them. all i did was pull up their profile and look for games, it isn't "convenient"

u ok dude? your logic is usually better in games

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i 100% hardclaim i am not drapion, who i have even never played with before.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

what's odd is that ..

you have never played with professordrapion

, so it makes no sense for you to assume I am them either. That's another strike mr frog, but even though you've been struck out for a while

also, for someone with 5000+ posts I am surprised you know every game that ProfessorDrapion and Frogsterking are involved in

search.php?author_id=35673&sr=topics or maybe you can use your eyes and read how many games this dude has, and the fact playerlists are the first post of games. its really that easy.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i dont want to have to actually claim who my main is but i will if i have to if people are being that obtuse and following this dude.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

what's odd is that ..

you have never played with professordrapion

, so it makes no sense for you to assume I am them either. That's another strike mr frog, but even though you've been struck out for a while

also, for someone with 5000+ posts I am surprised you know every game that ProfessorDrapion and Frogsterking are involved in

search.php?author_id=35673&sr=topics or maybe you can use your eyes and read how many games this dude has, and the fact playerlists are the first post of games. its really that easy.

21 matches, like 3 completed games. you do the math cape on how long it takes to pull playerlists and skim ISOs

[Big Chungus Gaming]

also theres 1 completed game there that all he did was post in and not play in cuz his name isnt in the OP so there u go

[Big Chungus Gaming]

u really wanna claim im nuclear ghandi? the guy who missed a cop claim and submitted a vig shot on town?

someone who lowposted hardcore?

when im a top 3 poster?

nice try dude.

also i bet nuclear ghandi isnt even drapion

[Big Chungus Gaming]

if people wanna really believe this kid's lies and obviously contrived bullshit then im done with yall im not going to try and u can vote me out lmfao. yall dont deserve me

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i know cape is smart enough too to see that my typing style is significantly different than this dude drapion - so im eagerly awaiting to see how cape responds after actually doing the research I hope he may be doing now

[Big Chungus Gaming]

viewtopic.php?p=13442655&user_select%5B ... #p13442655

you decide if frogs is full of shit or not - I think its not an honest claim he is making about me, and he should probably be policied for trolling (: (and also just in general being scummy + lying to advance pushes)

if this even is you, you are extremely different that game

Something I feel is up since you just very conveniently pulled that up

Yes it's obviously him and the guy can act kind of. You should look at a link to his Nuclear Gandhi alt he used for one game to throw against me (and failed.)

@Cape

check this out:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89826&user_select[]=36739

He invented the most RIDICULOUS character to throw this game

And Town still won

God I can't get the link to the ISO to work. But he is Nuclear Gandhi in that game. When he got tired of trolling he just let the account sit there and the mod had to replace it out

citation + seethe + cope + you tried to tie me to a player who voted you once to a game to discredit me

[Big Chungus Gaming]

stop calling me drapion. im not going to ask again

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ok that tracks, sorry. im a bit upset rn at this situation and kinda really hate when ppl get away with this kinda stuff easily.

idk if lolcatting is the right term but like, its an extreme way to question dodge and refuse to answer questions that are hard to answer if the original claim was a lie and was not honest.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

It's less the trolling IMO and more the dumb tone and weird votes. Also he didn't answer my question about Malcolm.

and you refused to humor me on which votes were weird because I clearly told you all of them are explainable because I always have a purpose, even if weak, for moving votes. I like to use my vote as an info gathering weapon.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

What the piss was page 43?

if people wanna really believe this kid's lies and obviously contrived bullshit then im done with yall im not going to try and u can vote me out lmfao. yall dont deserve me

Yeah my vote stays parked. This is a frustrated scum post.

why cant it be a frustrated town post?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I might know BCG

might

uh I will research brb

please dont out me ! thx in advance

[Big Chungus Gaming]

3. Explain your Malcolm vote.

BCG didn't just dodge this question, he ghosted it. So his whole invitation to explain any of his votes is just empty words.

frogster has ghosted my questions, whats your read there?

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i had to search your iso kitty, and the question was seeded in a post with a quote right before it which hid it. is it really that difficult to reask a question? it is very easy to miss shit.

anyways i put a vote on malcom because:

a) i thought they were reasonably paired with frogster
b) I townread maria pretty hard and wanted to save that slot as the vote were as follows at the time:

Spoiler:

vote count 1.5 !

MariaR (3):

Gamma Emerald, Frogsterking, Nero Cain

MalcolmTucker (3):

PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, MariaR

Cape90 (2):

SirRhett, Save The Dragons

Toogeloo (2):

Charloux, marcistar

Frogsterking (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Greeting

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

KittyTacky, Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• replacing nero cain

c) i just wanted to amp the pressure up on the slot to see what they would do.

clearly that didnt last in the chaos that followed

[Big Chungus Gaming]

It's less the trolling IMO and more the dumb tone and weird votes. Also he didn't answer my question about Malcolm.

Eh I take it back KT seems pretty Town here.

i have something to say about this progression frogster just had wrt kitty but i'll wait till kitty actually responds to me actually answering their very nice hidden question they were so sad i didnt answer.

i aim to remove all excuses

[Big Chungus Gaming]

It was in a response to a bullet-pointed list, I thought you'd read it instead of skimming?

Anyways, fair enough. I still think you're scum.

no you dont because frogster just spewed you scum

the poorly contrived distancing ploy he just did was blatant and fake

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ill prove to cape im not drapion

scumbug den

[Big Chungus Gaming]

he will confirm thats proof enough

[Big Chungus Gaming]

ill prove to cape im not drapion

scumbug den

proof taken, lines up

not sure it makes you towny based off meta yet, but lips sealed

when you first popped into the thread what made Frogsterking scummy then at that point?

felt like a shell of what i normally attribute to frogster essentially. no passion or fire in their play

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Oh, Big Chungus is DKKoba

Congratulations I guess

Like if this is Koba and you know that and you can't tell they are scum then I don't think you understand how Koba plays D1 at all.

Frogster: this is scum. Why? Trust me bro i have a process. Whats the process? No clue.

People still falling for obvious scum tricks of just bluffing their way through.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Frogster has constantly made stuff up, hell he even finally had to admit he *was* trolling* (after repeatedly being called on it) and just now claiming a super dooper secret method(it isnt real).

I dont want to kill alisae slot here. The fact frogster is adamant on this means its likely town.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

marcistar
Save The Dragons
Charloux
MariaR
Fennec
Greeting
KittyTacky
Toogeloo
Enchant
PookyTheMagicalBear
Gamma Emerald
MalcolmTucker
Cape90
Frogsterking




SirRhett putting this dude here bc i legit havent read a single post by them


where im roughly at

I don't always explicitly state my PoE but my votes have clearly conveyed this bottom 7 as my PoE, cape has moved out tho

[Big Chungus Gaming]

hot take but VOTE: STD

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Hey BCG do you like genshin impact

No

[Big Chungus Gaming]

idt frogster and std are paired so also have that

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Also VOTE: bcg that 180 is giving me whiplash

How so (:

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: Marcistar

I think her crocodile tears are damning

Idts and don't talk abt her like that pls

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Hi i remembered this game

who did math replace?
I think std is the best choice today based on his rxn to my vote

[Big Chungus Gaming]

Hi I've been dealing with a mental health thing for the past week or so - ill get to this later. I still think marci has been obvtown since d1 and pooky pushing on her this way is prob outting

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: pooky wynaut

[Big Chungus Gaming]

afteer my.last game.i guess i don't have that same drive after falling flat for getting pushed.
kinda out of this game so imma claim im.loyal bg, if theres a vig this can combo nicely.
I can create a clear potentially and yeah.

I'd like to get STD and i can BG pooky tonight

[Big Chungus Gaming]

signed, Big Gaming chungus

crumb here btw

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: titus

i "visited"

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I did visit pooky.

i think you fail to connect the dots of frogster's flip

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i said "visited" because it failed bc i obviously visited an illegal target

[Big Chungus Gaming]

pooky claimed that frogster was clear somehow off an investigative action that pooky supposedly confirmed.

titus was claiming an action that implied frogster was 100% clear

there are too many investigatives here + i think the whole claim was suspicious around it

[Big Chungus Gaming]

well u better hope im not 1 shot, even night, or roleblocked tonight if u wanna do ur plan

[Big Chungus Gaming]

pooky claimed that frogster was clear somehow off an investigative action that pooky supposedly confirmed.

titus was claiming an action that implied frogster was 100% clear

there are too many investigatives here + i think the whole claim was suspicious around it

This is incorrect. I visited MalcolmTucker n1. He's vanilla. I did get a result n2.

you assumed i was clear because of frogster. this is incongruent.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

well u better hope im not 1 shot, even night, or roleblocked tonight if u wanna do ur plan

If you were those things you’d say so as to not waste the coordination.

So are you?

Should we just be aiming for scum?

I figured you’d love a townfirm.

idk if i want to to force scum to play around it

[Big Chungus Gaming]

mech wifom (:

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I am afraid I am going to insist BGC or my theory BGC + Pooky is looking mighty fine.

that theory doesnt make any sense considering how i was treated by pooky but go off

[Big Chungus Gaming]

VOTE: enchant whatever

[Big Chungus Gaming]

u cant threaten me with a push when i know damn well i look good off pooky scumflip here and u know that

[Big Chungus Gaming]

u cant threaten me with a push when i know damn well i look good off pooky scumflip here and u know that

Except you don’t?

And my threat has nothing to do with that.

It’s more that you were willing to “confirm” Pooky, but you aren’t Titus.

because im a fucking 1 shot and the 1 person who could have confirmed it is dead and i suspect titus had something to do with that

[Big Chungus Gaming]

do you really think that theyd let anything more than this restrictive of a loyal role that combos with vig into a normal? i bet NM also is 1 shot here so yeah

[Big Chungus Gaming]

well played.

sorry i wanted to do a favor and help and broke my retirement and lost motivation to play altogether

[Big Chungus Gaming]

also yes this was townsided asf, where scum knew several PRs, shot correctly every night, miseliminated a strong PR, and still were in a really shit spot.

[Big Chungus Gaming]

something i plan to implement the next time i modorate a game is like some way for mafia to highlight stuff for their replacements. in principle, nothing is stopping mafia from literally just doing this themselves in the scum pt, but also nobody plans around having to replace out in the future and also nobody gives a fuck about the game the second they decide to replace out. here's a writeup of how i'd put it in the rules

[some note in the setup post] (starting) in this game, i'll be giving mafia the ability to make a diary of messages to send to any future replacements to their slot. this is primarily to aid in keeping track of things like fakeclaims, and should have limited effect on gameplay. Im simply disclosing it. mafia should still look out for things their predecessors forgot or neglected to highlight (i'm not helping with this*)

[in the mafia PT] you can keep a list of notes for any future replacements. if you put "

highlight

" at the top of any of your posts in this PT, i'll send a list of those highlighted posts in the role PM i send to anybody that may replace your slot in the future. you are encouraged to do this to record any roles or actions you fakeclaim in the main thread. (as always, i automatically inform replacements of actions you did truthfully take).

*i think it just barely leans towards mod influence if i literally just keep track of fakeclaims myself. i think the aspect of it where i'm like personally doing the players' job doesn't really matter if i do it consistently because it doesn't really have a way to tip off info to anyone, but of course i might forget to do it sometimes and maybe it causes me to be more keen on the players' claims which in turn puts me more at risk of accidentally communicating something to someone.

really, messing up a fakeclaim because you replaced is just something that shouldnt ever happen. it's just like annoying extra work to have to do when you replace into a scum slot which i think people already don't like doing, and it's easy enough to mess up, and it feels like out of game influence. theres a small extent i'm willing to let a good guy with OGI beat a bad guy with OGI and do the extra work myself but also i dont want to. lol.

this is something from the mod thread that i wonder if anyone would have thoughts about

I tend to replace into late stage games like this because the spots don't always get taken, and yeah this would be super helpful

I left a message on my exact actions before I replaced out, I advise reading the scum PT and your prior slot before posting

[Big Chungus Gaming]

That was the good things I had to say about the game. The players were all excellent.

However, I cannot fathom how this set up passed review

mafia 2-shot follower
mafia 1-shot loyal bodyguard
mafia night 3 voyeur
1x Goon

V

town novice disloyal vigilante
town fruit vendor
town voyeur
town novice joat (roleblocker, alien, tracker)
town rolecop
town 4-shot rolecop
town even-night combined doctor tracker
5x VTs

This is the most "fuck you scum team" set up I have ever personally seen in a game. The 2 shot follower was basically our only useful pr, with the night 3 voyeur being fairly useless, and the 1-shot loyal bodyguard was an actively harmful role.

If it the BG ever worked, we... still lost scum, and gave a guilty to the vig. If we holster, the loyal modifier means we are fucked if forced to coordinate with the voyeur.

and on the flip side, the town had a disloyal vigilante (which is possibly the strongest possible town PR?) + a doc + 5 invest type roles.


A Disloyal Vigilante existing, along side a protective, in a game where the scum team did not have any form or ways to influence (roleblock, jailkeeper, scum doc, strongman, SOMETHING) that is pretty messed up


And I kind of worry that since the scum team won, no one who approved this set up will even care to listen to the fact that this set up was bad for the scum team. But it was. We won DESPITE that, largely because town got so lost in the messed up mechanics of this game that they floundered for a few day phases.

This game makes me want to steer away from the Normal Queue so long as set ups like this are getting passed by review.

Anyways.

Rant over.

I helpfully "burned" my shot before the claims were out enough to force coordination

[Big Chungus Gaming]

adding disloyal to a vigilante and then giving power that prevents fakeclaiming + can protect the vig turns the game into a PR puzzle for scum, because the power level of a disloyal vig is so absurd because it removes the massive drawback of the role( that i feel makes it not very good) and also gives it a possibility to create soft innos.


mech wifom only works for so long but i guess it is good to punish townies for trying to game setups - but still, there ought to be a limit of balance thats expected, informed of at least some aspect of the setup would have been massive QoL of helping give mafia an idea of possible angles to avoid, or what to look out for.


also personally i thought it would be so absurd to have a disloyal vig that i assumed NM was a regular vig who was trolling and thats why i left him alive, because after pooky i felt he would shoot at town

[Big Chungus Gaming]

I think the balance was townsided but acceptable with a regular novice vig fwiw. Like toeing the line but not too bad.
It did take a lot of mech outplay to counter.