Mafia 85 - Murder at the Bus Stop (game over)

[kuribo]

You guys are absolutely right, let's lynch all the lurkers.




(the indicates sarcasm)

The K7 lynch was pointless, anyone who's played with him knows that he almost never posts anything worthwhile.

[kuribo]

That crap defense by Kuribe makes me think he's scum trying to sound good by attacking the mislynch.

Opportunism denied. I replaced in after the mislynch.

Go sit in your failure corner.

Vote: Xtoxm

[kuribo]

That's a scumslip right there. He just admits to knowing i'm town, because if I was scum then the K7 lynch was a massive sucess.

Unvote Vote Kuribo

Still think AJ would be a good scum pick, though.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen on this site. And I've played with Empking. Way to fail, captain OMGUS.

You yourself called it a mislynch. From my point of view (that of the town, you see) it's also a mislynch. Your failure is in your complete lack of logic and your (now two) weak attempts to accuse me.

You see, I have no need to try and look anything regarding the mislynch--- I wasn't playing.

Also, it's nice to see you say that you're the one that "got K7 mislynched."

Here, have a big pointy hat to wear while you sit in the failure corner. It reads "OMGUS."

[kuribo]

I didn't fail, I still think he was a good lynch.

Yes, lynching lurkers instead of scummy players is great.


IF YOU'RE SCUM.

[kuribo]

Anyway, you've already been caught in a lie by trying to get me lynched while at the same time accidently acknowedging you know i'm town. So it is you who fails.

....


You can't be this dumb.

[kuribo]

You can't be that dumb.

Think about what you're saying instead of just pooping on your keyboard and playing in it before hitting "Submit."

You (poorly) attack me for criticizing a (poor) lynch. I tell you that your opportunism is a failure, and your (poor) brain somehow parses that to read that I know you're town?

Come back when you're not high.

[kuribo]

I caught you and all you can resort to is personal attacks. You're pathetic.

I'm done talking to you.

"Resort to personal attacks?" Have you never played with me? I resort to personal attacks even when the person I'm talking to ISN'T being ridiculous. Hell, I do personal attacks just because it's Monday.

You've been caught trying to push (another) stupid wagon.

[kuribo]

You're completely ignoring the fact that I never assumed he was town and that his "scumslip" relies on totally (insert insulting word here) logic and an extreme amount of word-twisting.

If anything, when I accuse someone of opportunism, it means that I'M ASSUMING THEY MAY BE SCUM.

[kuribo]

I'm pretty indifferent on the xtoxm wagon. I mean, a lot of what he has been saying has been really absurd, but the level of absurdity I'm used to seeing from him is above average. It's not enough to meta-null the actions, but its worth considering.

So by HIS own logic, the fact that he says stupid things shouldn't exclude him from a lynch.

He said that K7 lurks every game, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be lynched, so if Xtoxm always does stupid / scummy things, he shouldn't be excluded from lynching.*


* I'm not agreeing with this, merely pointing out that taken logically, his argument would advocate his own lynch. I understand that taking Xtoxm's arguments as logical may be a fallacy.

[kuribo]

And how the fuck am I scum? Idiots...

And yeh, i'm a powerrole btw, so get you votes off me ffs.

Early claim, overreaction.

Unvote

just to be on the safe side.

[kuribo]

I don't say stupid things.

Are you from the Bizarro World?

[kuribo]

Personally, I don't like the Xtomx attack. Xtomx usually plays like a fucked up kid, so I don't see anything TOO suspicious about this. However, the fact that Kuribo is pushing it so hard intrigues me...as does the fact that Xtomx actually resorted to LOGIC this time, even though it was epic phail logic. Interesting.

I'm not "pushing" anything, I'm defending myself from an argument worthy of Corky from Life Goes On.

[kuribo]

What I want to know is, how was K7 lynched by only 8 people when it was 12 to lynch? Am I slow?

deadline

[kuribo]

K7 never claimed, but I don't see how Wall-E saying he did makes him scummy.

I dunno, is hallucinating scummy?

[kuribo]

Hmm. I think Wall-E remembered that which I listed above, and then combining it with what he knows now (that K7 was a doc), and figured he claimed doc. That's the logical explanation as town. Mafia, he's dead meat.

I don't like you dropping an FOS on the guy... after you make this nice, convenient excuse for him.

[kuribo]

Vote: al4xz

since I coulda swore I typed that already.

[kuribo]

Hmm. I think Wall-E remembered that which I listed above, and then combining it with what he knows now (that K7 was a doc), and figured he claimed doc. That's the logical explanation as town. Mafia, he's dead meat.

I don't like you dropping an FOS on the guy... after you make this nice, convenient excuse for him.

This really only makes sense if they are scum buddies. Which they could be, but I'm curious why you vote for al4xz over Wall-E. Do you see a point to al4xz's behavior where Wall-E is town and al4xz is scum?

Yes, if Wall-E were town, and al4xz was scum, Al could be trying to buddy up to a townie so that if Wall-E were lynched, he could point back and say "I told you so." Of course, there's no way of knowing this now.

The vote falls on Al because I want to know why he felt the need to toss Wall-E an excuse for his behavior, and to me the best way to hasten his tongue is through voting.

[kuribo]

Hmm. I think Wall-E remembered that which I listed above [Xtomx claiming to be a powerrole], and then combining it with what he[Wall-E] knows now (that K7 was a doc [he confuses Xtomx with K7]), and figured he[K7] claimed doc.

Exactly right.

well isn't that convenient

Mod edit
Votecount:
Wall-E (4): Alabaska J, Muerrto, Surye, BlakAdder
Surye (2): springlullaby, Riceballtail
al4xz (2): kuribo, armlx
Alabaska J (1): Jebus
kuribo (1): Xtoxm
Jebus (1): farside22
Riceballtail (1): Wall-E

Not voting (7): Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, al4xz, Cream147

With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch.

[kuribo]

It's convenient that the explanation that was helpfully supplied to him just so happens to be the truth as he claims it.

[kuribo]

I know. What can I say? kuribo and I must have the same twisted brain structures.

Wrong. It wasn't my explanation, and you shouldn't try to paint it that way, as I was criticizing al4xz for giving it to you.

[kuribo]

No...

Wrong, wrong, wrong

FoS: Al4xz

for the

attempted

explanation for Wall-E's actions. HOWEVER, this doesn't explain ONE thing...

Even IF you mismatched the claims and thought K7 claimed Doc when it was actually Xtomx, how the hell did you think even for a second that we purposely lynched a claimed doctor for information?

You can't mismatch that. You actually thought we lynched someone you

thought

claimed DOCTOR for information only...whether he claimed or not is irrelevant, in your mind he claimed and was still lynched for information per your quote:

Let's face facts and move on from wah wah the doc died. I admit I saw his claim before he was lynched, but figured we needed the information. His claim should have been more heartfelt.

Vote stands and Al4xz is next when Wall flips scum.

Also, he claims he saw the claim with his own eyes, and figured we needed the information so

he went along with it

.

[kuribo]

Kuribo, if you agree your vote is misplaced.

Whether Al4xz is paying attention or not is also irrelevant. Wall

saw

a doctor claim and lynched him anyway. Your vote should be there.

As I already stated:

The vote falls on Al because I want to know why he felt the need to toss Wall-E an excuse for his behavior, and to me the best way to hasten his tongue is through voting.

[kuribo]

Hey now, don't bus your scum partner yet, you still haven't told us, which I've asked you twice:

WHY DID YOU EXPLAIN WALL-E'S ACTIONS FOR HIM?

And now, why are you voting him since you clearly agree with his reasoning since IT'S YOUR REASONING THAT HE'S CITING.

[kuribo]

Hey now, don't bus your scum partner yet, you still haven't told us, which I've asked you twice:

WHY DID YOU EXPLAIN WALL-E'S ACTIONS FOR HIM?

And now, why are you voting him since you clearly agree with his reasoning since IT'S YOUR REASONING THAT HE'S CITING.

Incorrect. I don't agree with his reasoning because he hasn't really provided much reasoning.

At first, the reason why I explained Wall-E's actions for him was because there was a possibility in my mind that he was Town and had made a mistake. I voted for him now because of a good point Muerrto brought up (or made me realize, I couldn't tell from his wording) - why didn't Wall-E protest and give us shit about the fact that we lynched a claimed doctor for information? That's the final straw for me, it's enough. I say Wall-E's case has enough evidence for me now. (before, it was just a single piece of evidence that could also be a town mistake - nwo it's two pieces and both point to scumtell.)

HE DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE A REASON





YOU GAVE HIM A REASON


HOW FREAKING HARD IS IT FOR YOU TO GRASP THAT

[kuribo]

Hmm. I think Wall-E remembered that which I listed above, and then combining it with what he knows now (that K7 was a doc), and figured he claimed doc. That's the logical explanation as town. Mafia, he's dead meat.

Heavy FoS: Wall-E

THAT IS THE POST WHERE YOU HELPFULLY SUPPLIED WALL-E WITH HIS JUSTIFICATION.

HE QUOTED THAT POST AND AGREED.

YOU ARE TERRIBLE AT BUSSING.

[kuribo]

So, for the fourth time, and after EACH AND EVERY POST UNTIL YOU ANSWER:


WHY DID YOU ANSWER WALL-E'S QUESTION FOR HIM?

[kuribo]

I had a reason. I am trying to explain it.

You guys are right about one thing: I essentially thought I'd lynched the doc, and while I felt bad, I figured you guys had a good reason for doing it, and so I didn't say "Well why the hell did you guys do that?!" when I posted. Instead I let it slide and figured I'd catch up at another time.

I will continue to answer questions about this.

I AM NOT ASKING YOU ANYTHING.

I AM ASKING AL4XZ A QUESTION.

THE TWO OF YOU NEED TO STOP THIS WHOLE "WE ARE VENOM" SYMBIOTIC BIT.

WE GET IT, YOU'RE SCUM BUDDIES.

[kuribo]

I am no longer defending you because I believe you to be scum. Take no offence, this is a game.

"awwww, poor wall-e, it's okay buddy, it's just a bus, it'll help us win. there there. there there. i won't let them mean ol' townies get us. shhhh. it's okay."

[kuribo]

I am no longer defending you because I believe you to be scum. Take no offence, this is a game.
I am now attacking you because I believe your reasoning is weak. It sounds like something you slapped together. However...

This makes me want to lynch al4xz over Wall-E. that, and my memories of Wall-E's actions in Sensfan's High School Mafia.

The kicker is... it's not the reasoning Wall-E slapped together, it's al4xz's reason... that al4xz is criticizing. WTF?

[kuribo]

....


Who do you THINK I mean by "him?"


Wall-E was asked why he said what he said.

You answered for him.

[kuribo]

I don't see it as a slip from Wall-E. I think just too many games at one time

In what possible game could he be playing where lynching a claimed doctor for information would be acceptable?

[kuribo]

I'm going to trust armlx's meta and

Vote: al4xz

until I read through again.

kuribo, you can try to get me hanged for being lazy, but school just got easy again, and I'm about to go into another one of my active phases, so you would be lynching an active player. (shrug, do what you gotta do)

o noez, i might accidentally lynch someone who's playing, however will i sleep at night?

(like a rock, brother)

Also, your vote just reinforces my mindset that you and al4xz are buddies.

Further, if you were paying attention, you'd note that i'm voting al4xz, but we already know you're not.

[kuribo]

And Kuribo, I don't have the memory to remember everything that goes on around here.

That is the lamest excuse for anything ever. It's a complete cop-out that could be used to justify any action at any time.

[kuribo]

That's not WIFOM at all. Your throwing that term around when it doesn't even apply is very suspicious.

I thought I made it clear I didn't know how to use the term.

Then don't use terms you don't understand. You don't hear me talking about anti-disestablishmentarianism, do you?

No, I think you used the word with the intent of trying to minimize the attacks against you. IE,

"Yes, what you're saying may be true, it may not be true, but it's WIFOM so we're not discussing it."

GUESS WHAT.

WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.

And yes, it makes you scummy when you try to come up with a lame cop-out for past behavior and trying to set yourself up for bad behavior in the future.

[kuribo]

unvote, vote Muerto

in my experience with him as scum he tries to push things too hard.

I believe Wall-E excuse is good enough to cause me to look elsewhere for now.

I don't think he's pushing it at all, in fact, I agree with him that it seems like a completely irrational thing for town to do. It's just that I've got work to do with our good friend al4xz here.


@Al4xz: Hi, I'm Chris Hanson. Why don't you have a seat right over here?

[kuribo]

That's not WIFOM at all. Your throwing that term around when it doesn't even apply is very suspicious.

I thought I made it clear I didn't know how to use the term.

Then don't use terms you don't understand. You don't hear me talking about anti-disestablishmentarianism, do you?

No, I think you used the word with the intent of trying to minimize the attacks against you. IE,

"Yes, what you're saying may be true, it may not be true, but it's WIFOM so we're not discussing it."

GUESS WHAT.

WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.

And yes, it makes you scummy when you try to come up with a lame cop-out for past behavior and trying to set yourself up for bad behavior in the future.

OK, we'll discuss it then. You wanna? OK. Have you ever used the excuse "I forgot" in Mafia? Would you consider it scummy? Would you consider it townie? How so? Do I think you're going to accomplish anything by pushing such bullshit at me?

Final thought: I have already explained WHY I defended Wall-E. Now, state your case again. Why is it that you are so persistant in attacking me?

o, by dichotomy I meant scum/town between Mr GIJoe and alex, or vice versa.

o.O?

Bullshit? You call the fact that you're trying to explain away your behavior by saying, "hurrr hurr, I can't be asked to remember everything I say or do, hurr hurr."

My vote's leaving you till you're strung. GG.

[kuribo]

EBWOP: NEVER leaving you until you're strung, that is.

[kuribo]

I think if I had it all to do over again, I'd have done it again just to get the information.

Yes, but your opinion doesn't mean much to me, since you've already said that you would be willing to lynch a claimed doc for information.

[kuribo]

Just so everyone knows, I would never do that for reals.

But you thought you did, and you did advocate it.

[kuribo]

I believe Wall-E excuse is good enough to cause me to look elsewhere for now.

Just caught this. You do realise Wall-E never made an excuse other than 'school is tough', right? Al4xz made his excuse for him and Wall-E even simply quoted him and said 'yeah that's it'.

That's exactly my point as to why they're either scumbuddies, or else Al4xz is scum buddying up to Wall-E. I'm leaning toward A, but B is possible.

[kuribo]

I'm trying to learn how to use terms, not trying to negate their arguments. Wait, cross out the last bit - I am trying to negate their arguments while also trying to leanr how to use said terms.

How have you been on this site for almost a year and not learned what WIFOM means?

[kuribo]

Apparently, you've been researching me.

I don't have to research you:

al4xz
Mafia Scum





Gender: Gender:Male
Joined: 26 Jan 2007




IT'S RIGHT UNDER YOUR FREAKING USER NAME

[kuribo]

I've often said before that meta is pointless if the person being meta'd is the one pointing out the meta.

Even further, the most dangerous player is one who knows his own meta.

[kuribo]

Hi guys.

It's me, Wall-E.

We need to talk.

I know I've been a scummy, lurky, non-contributing turd in this game so far. The town as rightly cast doubt on me for it. I deserved it.

But.

After some careful consideration of al4xz's posts, I've made a decision.

I am officially denouncing the al4xz lynch. I think you're up the wrong tree on this one.

As I am convinced there are scum on his wagon, I'm asking everyone to give their strongest reason for voting al4xz before we lynch him.

Unvote.

I don't think this is asking too much. In fact, I think it would be downright sensible of us, given how close al4xz is to lynch and the time we have to deadline.

Thoughts?

THIS IS THE MOST UNSURPRISING THING I'VE EVER READ.


can we lynch wall-e's scum buddy now?

[kuribo]

As I am convinced there are scum on his wagon, I'm asking everyone to give their strongest reason for voting al4xz before we lynch him.

And I've already stated all of my reasons for voting him:

Started off with him giving excuses for YOU,
Then criticized you and the excuse HE gave,
Reacted badly when the town turned its attention toward him,
Uses language that he doesn't understand in vain attempts to make the case against him look weak,

And that's just off the top of my head.

You jumping off his wagon surprises me not one bit.

[kuribo]

I attacked the excuse Wall-E gave, not the defense I gave to him. Same goes to Kuribos'.

Wall-E never gave an excuse. YOU gave him an excuse, and he said you were exactly right. Then you attacked the excuse YOU gave him.

*I* never gave him any excuse, and attacked YOU for giving him one.

I don't know if you're just reaching for anything you can find to save you from a lynch, or if you're playing some entirely different game that the rest of us aren't privy to, but the facts don't even support your statement that I just quoted.

[kuribo]

If we were both scum, wouldn't most people be more likely to bus at this stage?

The fact that you're the one trying to bring this up makes it even more likely that you're trying to do the opposite in order to throw people off.

[kuribo]

You're vote was already on Wall-E, silly.

Now stop panicking, it's not helping.

[kuribo]

So we're all clear, I'm supposed to be scum for saying arguably the stupidest thing ever in a mafia game, right? Not because of a reasoned, A follows B case, but for one single incident that nobody is likely to do, especially scum?

You're missing the part where people don't like how you're reacting to the pressure and basically playing "Look how innocent and nice I am, I can't be scum!"

[kuribo]

one single incident that nobody is likely to do, especially scum?

Also, that leads to WIFOM (in its correct usage)

And also, the fact that you say scum is unlikely to do it, makes YOU more likely to do it as scum.

Of course no one is likely to do what you did. But you did it.

It's highly unlikely that I will grow a second head named Obiruk who will post loving, kind words to everyone. But if Obiruk DID sprout from my shoulder, there'd be no point in me pointing out how unlikely that would be. Because it happened.

[kuribo]

I don't think Al4xz as town would clear Wall-E. I'm voting Al4 because his behavior is scummy.

I'm perfectly willing to sort Wall-E tomorrow on his own merit.

[kuribo]

I don't think Al4xz as town would clear Wall-E. I'm voting Al4 because his behavior is scummy.

I'm perfectly willing to sort Wall-E tomorrow on his own merit.

Hm...I've seen town screw up and answer for someone else before. I really dislike the Al4xz wagon. Keep in mind I said that about Slicey and K7 and was right both times. These wagons are scum driven.

@Kuribo: What do you think about the slip? Was it scummy? A mistake? Can you tell me a way a townie would've made it? If not, why are you voting Al4xz? I'm starting to wonder why you pushed the Al4xz thing so heavily right after Wall-E came under fire...

Yes, it was scummy.

And I've explained FIVE FREAKING TIMES WHY I'M VOTING AL4XZ.

[kuribo]

I'll reiterate it in case you people are too damn lazy to go back and read (AGAIN)


I wanted to pressure Al4xz to see how he would respond after he defended the guy I believe to be his scumpartner.

I am not satisfied with Al4's reactions. It's been scummy.


IS THAT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE? SCUMMY BEHAVIOR?! BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER MAGICAL CRITERIA FOR VOTING PEOPLE ASIDE FROM BEING SCUMMY, PLEASE--- SHARE THEM WITH ME.

Mod edit
Votecount:
al4xz (6): kuribo, armlx, BlakAdder, RestFermata, Riceballtail, Surye
Wall-E (2): Muerrto, al4xz
Surye (1): springlullaby
Alabaska J (1): Jebus
kuribo (1): Xtoxm
Jebus (1): farside22
Muerrto (1): Alabaska J

Not voting (6): Azuma, Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, Cream147, Wall-E

With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch.

[kuribo]

You haven't explained why you're voting Al4xz INSTEAD of Wall-E. You just said it's scummy. So if you can't think of a situation where town would do what Wall-E did, that makes him scum, right?

But Al4xz's reaction

seemed

scummy to you, by your own words. That denotes a possibility of you being wrong, yes?

I'm confused.

And stop using caps =p

There's the possibility that all of us are wrong, and to say otherwise is to be ignorant. I don't think I'm wrong though.

So, if I feel that Al4xz is scummier than Wall-E (and believe me, it's like comparing oranges to bowling balls in terms of which is more round), my vote naturally rests on Al4xz.

As it's an impossibility to lynch both today, I'm voting for the one I find scummier.

[kuribo]

This entire discussion is going round and round in circles.

[kuribo]

Four more days... we need a target... don't let the scum make a last-second push against someone and mislynch!

We have targets, it's not my fault if you're not even bothering to consider them.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge that al4xz is a target?

[kuribo]

Sorry, was going by the vote count.

[kuribo]

Night 2, Empking, but he died before I got my results.

Ummmm.... does it work that way?

[kuribo]

Uhhh, sry, thx.

That is NOT how cops work ever.

Didn't think so, thanks.

[kuribo]

BlakAdder is like that old prospector-type in the neighborhood who scowls at all the neighborhood kids and assumes they're all on drugs.

Yes, but if that's the case, then you're the guy who's standing on the street corner with one pants-leg up, nodding hopefully at people who pass by.

The reason we assume you're scum is because...



(wait for it)...



YOU'RE ACTING LIKE SCUM.

[kuribo]

How is he acting like scum?

That just makes me more suspicious of kur.

He's only acting town if you're high.

Are you high?

Do you like drugs?






Do we need to stage an intervention?



Look, if you want to argue his case for him, fine, whatever. But to say he's not acting scummy.... seriously?

[kuribo]

Still like killing Wall-E, still got my vote there. Don't like BA either. Dislike Kuribo for the shift from Wall-E to Al4xz I mentioned earlier.

What, are you drunk? I've been riding Al4xz for quite awhile now.

Also, I explained why.

Mod edit
Votecount:
al4xz (6): kuribo, armlx, BlakAdder, Riceballtail, Surye, ThAdmiral
Wall-E (2): Muerrto, al4xz
Alabaska J (2): Wall-E, Jebus
Surye (1): springlullaby
kuribo (1): Xtoxm
Jebus (1): farside22
Muerrto (1): Alabaska J

Not voting (5): Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, Cream147, RestFermata

With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch.

[kuribo]

Let's all kill Alabaska J.

Or the obv lying scum al4xz.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that's willing to call BS on the whole "oooh, I didn't get a result because he died." It sounds like scum trying to be cute and not confirm any living players or implicate a scum buddy.

I don't like Xtoxm's statement that al4xz has been looking town all game. Just the fact that so many people are on his wagon would indicate the opposite.

So if he's the cop, why haven't the scum moved to hammer him?

I don't like Wall-E's attempt to shift the wagon on to AJ. It's not "either AJ or al4xz." In the absence of stringing Al4xz, you, Wall-E, are my next choice.

[kuribo]

Let's all kill Alabaska J.

Or the obv lying scum al4xz.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that's willing to call BS on the whole "oooh, I didn't get a result because he died." It sounds like scum trying to be cute and not confirm any living players or implicate a scum buddy.

And you and Armlx are willing to lynch a claimed uncountered cop to find out? And if he is cop? What then?

Then lynch me or Armlx? Or one of the dozen of other people on his wagon?

[kuribo]

Hold on a sec.

I believe armlx but I have the following to reveal.

I'm a bus driver I exchanged Muerrto and Surey last night so, barring another interference, Surye is scum.

My weak-crumbing bus driver - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 76#1300276

I replaced in late during N1 and choose no action.

So then that also makes Muerrto town (because Armlx would have actually investigated Muerrto), if you're telling the truth? Or am I misunderstanding the Bus Driver role?

[kuribo]

For a good portion of this game, Armlx has been one of the few people I've seen as pro-town. I trust him the most of all of you.

Unvote

Vote: Cream

[kuribo]

Why?!

Nothing's gonna change anything, just fucking lynch him.

Calm down, we have plenty of time to kill your scum partner.

[kuribo]

Wow, failed ANOTHER thing.

No result is the correct PM always.

Seriously, why anyone believed al4xz is beyond me.

Let the record show, I called bullshit--- which is sad, since I'm retarded. I expect better of towns.

[kuribo]

ugh god, you people make me want to kill myself and everyone around me

[kuribo]

AM I THE ONLY VANILLA TOWNIE IN THIS GAME


also

JESUS FIGHTING CHRIST, STOP CLAIMING

[kuribo]

AM I THE ONLY VANILLA TOWNIE IN THIS GAME


also

JESUS FIGHTING CHRIST, STOP CLAIMING

way to claim.

thanks, I was quite proud of it myself

[kuribo]

Shall we just MC?

sure, if you want the scum to win



oh wait, you probably do

[kuribo]

I TOLD YOU SO

[kuribo]

Vote: Wall-E

Raise your hand if you didn't see this vote coming.



Now put your hand down, you're an idiot.

[kuribo]

It was me, wasn't it?

He just said he wasn't gonna say, why would you even ask?

[kuribo]

It was me, wasn't it?

He just said he wasn't gonna say, why would you even ask?

[kuribo]

sorry for the double post, stupid CPU quota

[kuribo]

Vote: Wall-E

Raise your hand if you didn't see this vote coming.



Now put your hand down, you're an idiot.

Is this because of al4 defending Wall-E

yes, and also because Wall-E is scummy, and also because as soon as Al4's defense of WAll-E was pointed out, they immediately began voting one another in a sad attempt to distance.

[kuribo]

Armlx already knows i'm a powerrole, and now he's trying to get me lynched. Plus, what are the chances of finding 2 scum like that in 3 nights? I think Arlmx bussed.

Vote Armlx

Why do you keep claiming "hurr hurr, power role?"

Having trouble thinking of a credible role?

Anyway, he doesn't "KNOW" you're a power role, all we KNOW is that YOU'VE TOLD us you're a power role.

Might as well not bother, there's no reason to lynch an un-counterclaimed cop.

[kuribo]

Armlx already knows i'm a powerrole, and now he's trying to get me lynched. Plus, what are the chances of finding 2 scum like that in 3 nights? I think Arlmx bussed.

Vote Armlx

Besides, use your brain. Does Armlx (if he were scum) need to bus TWO partners in one post? No. This would severely hurt his chance of winning.

[kuribo]

I don't like Xtoxm's attempt to start a wagon on armlx. The logic behind it is only the second stupidest logic he's tried to show in this game. (See his first vote on me for the stupidest)

This wagon is picking up way too fast for my liking, it reeks of opportunism.

[kuribo]

Hey, woah, what's all this sudden baseless conjecture on me?

You're f'n kidding me, right?

This, THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of someone using language that tries to minimize the case against him.

[kuribo]

Uh, wrong wrong wrong wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong.

Of course we're going to rehash past stuff, you don't get a pass. Not now, not ever.

If you think it's baseless, show why it's baseless. Show why you and al4xz weren't buddying up, and then distancing from one another once it was pointed out.

[kuribo]

Uh, wrong wrong wrong wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong.

Of course we're going to rehash past stuff, you don't get a pass. Not now, not ever.

If you think it's baseless, show why it's baseless. Show why you and al4xz weren't buddying up, and then distancing from one another once it was pointed out.

This becomes extremely more relevant when one of the two in suspect flips scum.

EXACTLY.

And Wall-E's attempt to call it "baseless" is exactly what I was talking about in the post that he called a "null post." He's been doing stuff like this all game. Townies don't try to mischaracterize legitimate concerns as "baseless," they explain their actions.

[kuribo]

Based on al4xz's defending on Wall-E,

VOTE:Wall-E

Still debating the Xtoxm debate.

al4x was scum.

Usually, scum defend town. Al4x may be a new player, but still assume its this way. We can come back to this later.

No, Al4xz defended Wall-E for something completely ridiculous, interjecting himself where he wasn't needed. Then, when Al4xz was called scummy for it, he and Wall-E began voting each other.

To say that scum don't defend one another is stupid--- of course they will from time to time, because they expect someone like you to pipe up and say, "Hurrr, obvtown, scum was buddying up to him."

[kuribo]

This wagon is also acceptable. I almost investigate Wall-E had I not worried about Kuribo doing the exact same thing I always do (albeit I should have realized I do it as both town and scum, so it was a sub-par choice).

yeah that'd be like saying that I'm scum because I'm hostile and antagonistic, but I'm always that way

[kuribo]

Anyone else see Jebus' last post as subtle misdirection? "Nah, Wall-E is probably town because al4 defended him. Let's talk about it some other time."

What's your big hurry to move on? We can talk about it now. Hell, we can talk about it from now until Judgement Day. You agree? Good, let's do that.

[kuribo]

And it's not JUST the defending or JUST the OMGUS between the two of them.

It's the TIMING. The SECOND it was pointed out that al4xz had defended Wall-E, they immediately took steps to try and remove that link.

[kuribo]

Yeah, I'm not liking Xtoxm, but I don't think he's scum, I just think he's playing his usual inconsistent self. The thing I dislike most about Xtoxm is "lolol let's lynch the claimed cop" because that's what we said Wall-E was advocating. But let's face it--- if Xtoxm is scum, it's an extremely ballsy move to draw attention to himself in that way. I don't believe in Too Scummy To Be Scum, but God damn, the more I think about it, the more I think it'd be mind-numbingly stupid for scum to try and push an Armlx wagon. There doesn't even seem to be an upside for scum to do that.

[kuribo]

Oh, al4xz, not Armlx.

I have played a straight-up game here. If I agreed with someone, defended someone, attacked someone or backed off of someone it was, I assure you, intentional. Draw whatever conclusions you feel are appropriate. If you come up with a specific question, I'll answer, but your generalized accusation, asking me to defend against your imagining, that's impossibly burden-of-proof shifting of you, kuribo.

Words words words.

That's an awful lot of them for a post that says absolutely nothing.

You could be the Governor of Alaska with double-talk like that!

[kuribo]

i'm a town power role

Yeah, okay dude.

[kuribo]

Hey, it worked for me.

no, what worked for you is that people think you're an idiot as opposed to scum

[kuribo]

I find xtoxm assuming it was him who was targeted by me odd when I said it was a town result but was too obvious. Possible godfather alert.

he did say he's a power role, he never said anything about being a town power role


^--- this post is only half joking, i just assumed he meant to imply that he was pro-town

[kuribo]

but yeah, that "you targetted me, right?" seemed pretty smug

[kuribo]

vote: xtoxm

not sure if I'm at L-1 yet or not, but don't lynch me before giving me a chance to claim

YOU'RE POSTING RIGHT THIS MINUTE


WHAT'S STOPPING YOU


STOP TRYING TO THINK OF A CREDIBLE CLAIM TO SAVE YOURSELF AND JUST CLAIM.

[kuribo]

being unhelpful to the town isn't going to save your neck

[kuribo]

it's not unhelpful to the town for me to fish for scum by waiting for L1, pinhead

Wrong, retard.

Your behavior has been so scummy that it won't make a damn bit of difference who's voting you.

[kuribo]

Sorry, not playing that game either. If you've got something to attack with, unleash it for me to deal with, but I'm not building a case on myself based on the lies told about me in this game and then defending against it. Do the case-building yourself and I'll meet you halfway by providing the defense. It's better for others to attack (so craplogic can surface).

Minimizing the case against you by repeatedly calling it lies is a scumtell.

Also...




IT'S NOT CRAPLOGIC IF YOU'VE BEEN SCUMMY.

KEEPING YOU ALIVE TELLS US NOTHING.

IF YOU'RE TOWN, THE SCUM DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DO THE WORK BECAUSE YOU ARE DOING IT FOR THEM.

IF YOU'RE SCUM, YOU'RE TERRIBLE AT IT (but worse at being town)

[kuribo]

that's not what he's saying, he's saying that if you really want us to think you're town, you need to stop screwing around, and start answering the accusations against you


and frankly, I don't like your attempt to paint that request as "asking you to build a case against yourself"

[kuribo]

I foresaw in a dream that the Lions would win 24-17.

I really need to work on getting better at this predicting the future stuff.

[kuribo]

He's asking me to go through the thread, find the lies told (albeit in most cases probably unintentional lies) about me, compile them, and then defend against that. I defended myself as best as able when questioned earlier in the thread. Any further attacks are going to have to be brought up again. That's how the game is played.

I hate when people characterize the cases against them as "lies."

Even if they're wrong (and I'm not saying they are in this case) they aren't necessarily lying. Sometimes people are just wrong.

[kuribo]

Look at the language Wall-E is using. It's a clear attempt to deflect not only what's been said already but things that may be said in the future. He's already tried to plant the seeds that he thinks scum are running him up the flagpole.


But that's just it...

Confirmed scum DIDN'T run him up the flag pole.

Confirmed scum DID defend him with retarded non-logic until we jumped down their throats about it. At which point confirmed scum and Wall-E began voting one another.

So, to reiterate:

Al4xz: hay guyz, leave wall-e alone, i can explain his actions
Wall-E: Al4xz is right, that's exactly what happened!
Town: You guys are scum buddies!
Al4xz: Yeah, good idea, vote Wall-E!
Wall-E: Screw you, vote Al4xz!
kuribo: oh for Christ's sake.

[kuribo]

1) I have never mischaracterized the cases against me, because I called them lies (albeit probably unintentional ones), and that is exactly what they are. Try again, BA. Also I don't really care who thinks poorly of how I define things that aren't true as lies.

2) I will claim now. I'm a doc.

The word lie is defined as an INTENTIONAL misleading.

You know, like your claim.

[kuribo]

So, Wall-E:

1) was okay with what he thought was a lynch of a claimed cop (even though it wasn't)
2) has very real connections to known scum (and note that he hasn't denied it, preferring to debate semantics)
3) teases a claim repeatedly before coming up with "lol doc"
4) can't tell us who he protected because he "forgot"
5) Evades / snipes at every single comment made toward him with weak defenses
6) uses language that clearly intends to defuse his own lynch
and 7) see 1 - 6!

Or am I still "lying?"

[kuribo]

1) I have never mischaracterized the cases against me, because I called them lies (albeit probably unintentional ones), and that is exactly what they are. Try again, BA. Also I don't really care who thinks poorly of how I define things that aren't true as lies.

2) I will claim now. I'm a doc.

The word lie is defined as an INTENTIONAL misleading.

You know, like your claim.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPAM THIS THREAD WITH EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE FAILING TO READ IT I WILL POLITELY IGNORE YOU

THANKS MGMT

No, retardmonster, I reply to things as I read them.

[kuribo]

yeah, there's no need to counter-claim and hand the scum another doc on a silver platter

[kuribo]

Also...

you know how sometimes when people lie, they give up TOO much information in an attempt to sound credible?

See Wall-E's timestamps. First of all, we can't know for sure that the timestamp is when he said it was. Second, what the hell would knowing what time he did anything prove?

Mod edit
Votecount:
Wall-E (7): kuribo, Riceballtail, armlx, ThAdmiral, Surye, BlakAdder, Jebus
Xtoxm (1): Wall-E
farside22 (1): Xtoxm

Not voting (6): Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, RestFermata, springlullaby, farside22

With 15 alive it's 8 to lynch.

[kuribo]

If I didn't know better, I'd think Xtoxm is playing "lololol how scummy can i look lololol" while the rest us play mafia.

[kuribo]

In the future I will, at worst, be able to use this thread as a meta-defense. I pretty much do the opposite of what everyone expects me to do in every possible situation, so I'm not surprised everything I say is apparently a scumtell.

I AM a doc.

So when we expect you to play to your win condition, you'll do the opposite?

[kuribo]

lol you guys are going to encounter what i call the 'wall-e' effect soon

as town, i give off 'scum tells' all day

as scum, i give off 'town tells'

it's like i'm some kind of psychologically reversed mafia player

there's simply no accounting for it

well, no, that would mean you're a really good scumside player, and somehow I doubt that's the case

[kuribo]

besides, look at what he's saying

"I'm not going to help you guys, but I gotta warn you, I'm always scummy when I'm town! If I were scum, you'd never know it because I'd be so town!"

Mod edit
Votecount:
Wall-E (7): kuribo, Riceballtail, armlx, ThAdmiral, Surye, BlakAdder, Jebus
Xtoxm (1): Wall-E
farside22 (1): Xtoxm

Not voting (6): Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, RestFermata, springlullaby, farside22

With 15 alive it's 8 to lynch.

[kuribo]

why the hell wouldn't you protect someone n1?

[kuribo]

However you nicely choose to avoid my speculation of scum likely aslo having protection roles. You bussed an RB and a Goon. I see no dead Mafia BD or Doc.

Again, CLEARLY the right option in that case would be the counter claim, assume no town cop counter claims, and etc. Or just, you know, protect al4xz and use him as a fake cop.

I have never seen a cop that gets guilty on an SK on this site, and find they also get NK Immunity about 50% of the time, so I don't know where you pulled that from.

The only games I can think of where the SK was cop immune are the large C9ish games. Every game I have modded the SK has been cop vulnerable, bar Random 2 where the SK was night action immune completely.

This basically sounds like an unreal reach by you as scum in some desperate attempt to get the town to deal with a protected cop for you.

If scum have no GF they no that no cop exists, and setting up a CC makes the one cop look real.

How do you know if the scum has a GF?

[kuribo]

Okay, Xtoxm's retarded play is starting to adversely affect the town.

[kuribo]

I'm not sure if this is just him being scum or him being vindictive due to me calling him out for being an idiot.

Yeah, but look at some of the other stuff he's tried to push.

[kuribo]

he's still never said he was a pro-town doc

[kuribo]

Xtoxm, you're probably the least helpful person in this game


NEXT TO WALL-E

[kuribo]

hurr hurrr hurrr

[kuribo]

well, of course you'd say your alignment is townie


are there any more bus drivers still living?

[kuribo]

I don't know about the vig claim. Farside could be the serial killer, too, because we clearly have one of those running around.

[kuribo]

Iiiiiin fact... read the flavor.

Xtoxm had his throat cut.

Let's assume that the mafia tends to shoot:

Night 1- Moratoriam shot (mafia), Sir Tornado stabbed multiple times (SK)
Night 2- Empking SWORDED~!, Shanba shot (mafia)
Night 3- Muerrto (claimed doc) shot (mafia), Alabaska SWORDED~!, al4xz stabbed in the neck
Night 4- Xtoxm throat cut, springlullaby shot.

So am I on to something, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Either way, we don't lynch farside today: If farside is the SK, we need to smoke out the mafia first and take farside out during the endgame.

[kuribo]

It should also be noted that we've only had ONE three-kill night in a game already loaded to the teeth with power roles.

I'm guessing (again at the risk of playing out-guess the mod) that the vig was one-shot and killed either Alabaska (because alot of people thought he was scum) or obvscum al4xz. Of course, the SK wants to out the mafia, too, since SKs are generally self-aligned and would get endgamed by the mafia in a 2/1/1 or 3/2/1 endgame.

[kuribo]

BA's vote after my claim reaks of scum wanting to get rid of a power role.

We already played that game once.

[kuribo]

Also scum wants a vig dead.

scum want the SK dead too, but most of the time, SK's are NK immune

[kuribo]

Why would they assume there WEREN'T more bus drivers?

[kuribo]

yes, because everything xtoxm did this game was perfectly logical

[kuribo]

you know, you could just ask the mod in a PM if you're allowed to self-vig at night

[kuribo]

Actually, I dunno how much I like the self-vig idea. If scum have a bus driver, then they would be able to move her vig to where they wanted, essentially giving them a second kill. I know it's a load of WIFOM, but I also can't say that we should ignore the possibility.

RBT's right, it's a distinct possibility. And the fact that he suggested this makes me think if he was scum, he'd keep it to himself.

[kuribo]

Interesting, Admiral.

The problem is that we don't need to kill the SK today. In fact, we may very well lose if we kill the SK today. We need a scumkill.

Vote Admiral

Shame on you.

[kuribo]

The problem is that we don't need to kill the SK today. In fact, we may very well lose if we kill the SK today. We need a scumkill.

The later part is false.

Why not?

[kuribo]

That would require 5 mafia alive right now for us to lose, and a caught SK's only out is to force a scenario where town can't lynch them or they lose aka KILL TOWN.

ah

[kuribo]

If it theory didn't involve such a ridiculously large number of scum, I'd think that Kuribo's statement was a scum slip.

and if I didn't think you just misread it, I'd think you were retarded

[kuribo]

ie, hey genius, it's not a scumslip when I say "we may very well,"

[kuribo]

no actually riceballs right, I remember it went real quiet around thanksgiving last year as well.
mmm, i'm going to have some turkey tonight methinks!

This.

The Admiral makes an interesting point. Would it be worth the bus driver claiming to save him?

is it worth you rolefishing to lynch you?

Mod edit
Official Votecount:
farside22 (3): armlx, Jebus, ThAdmiral
Jebus (2): farside22, Riceballtail
ThAdmiral (1): kuribo

Not voting (6): Gremwell, Netlava, Zazier, RestFermata, Surye, BlakAdder

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

[kuribo]

hey, he is dead

get outta here dead jackass

[kuribo]

Netlava, why are you bothering to vote RestFermata when the mod said she's up next for replacement?

Are ya hopin' to get her to post? Cuz if the mod can't do it, I don't think your vote's gonna do it either.

[kuribo]

We've also speculated that we almost certainly have a serial killer. (of which I think it's farside)

[kuribo]

I still think she's either mafia or a serial killer. Screw it. I got nothing else right now anyway, and Surye's right, all of the focus has been on farside. Any other lynch right now would be under-discussed.

Unvote, Vote: farside

[kuribo]

damn, go town and whatnot

[kuribo]

Riceballtail kills Kuribo
BlakAdder kills Kuribo

haha