Mafia 82: International (Game Over)

[BlakAdder]

I'm here. Reread coming.

[BlakAdder]

Okay, sorry, but that took forever.
Regarding the Hascow vs Cream issue, I see nothing wrong with Has's fos. In fact, I find Cream rather suspicious myself.
On the topic of Netlava, I see him as somewhat scummy, but he could just be an overeager townie. I'll need to see a bit more action to be sure.
Otherwise, Skruff's post directly before mine seems a bit suspicious to me. Stepping into WIFOM territory to defend someone that's only slightly under fire tends to catch my eye.

[BlakAdder]

Wrong choice of words. Vote-hopping would be better.

[BlakAdder]

I'm going to go ahead and

vote: Netlava

, for the same reason as everyone else: voting someone that he had a town read on, and totally ignoring the accusations the next day. I'll also put out an

fos: Skruffs

for responding to my WIFOM accusation with more WIFOM.

[BlakAdder]

@Korts: I mentioned that I picked the wrong choice of words there. Vote-hopping would have been better. I was trying to pick something that didn't look like I was trying to paint him in a scummy light.

[BlakAdder]

Wifom seems to be your general 'trick' to get out of situations that you don't like; is there a reason you want to avoid actually giving your opinion on this matter?

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you are talking about. Where did I respond to you with WIFOM?

[BlakAdder]

@Skruffs: That is not the defintion of WIFOM. You just described a leading question. WIFOM is generally an "if I were scum" or "why would scum" type of statement. Search the wiki and you'll see what I mean. Also, I don't think your long-winded analogy has much to do with any of this.
In related news, it may be obvious, but I'm thinking of a Skruffs-Netlava connection. I think Netlava might be our lynch today, but if either of them flips scum, the other will be my first vote the next day.

[BlakAdder]

@Skruffs: That is not the defintion of WIFOM. You just described a leading question. WIFOM is generally an "if I were scum" or "why would scum" type of statement. Search the wiki and you'll see what I mean. Also, I don't think your long-winded analogy has much to do with any of this.
In related news, it may be obvious, but I'm thinking of a Skruffs-Netlava connection. I think Netlava might be our lynch today, but if either of them flips scum, the other will be my first vote the next day.

We're not exactly five pages into Day 2. I really don't like the way you're so confident in Netlava winding up as our lynch. Are you in a hurry?

Not particularly, it's just that just a lot of people suspect him and he hasn't offered much defense. Besides, saying "

I think

Netlava

might

be our lynch" doesn't sound that confident to me.

[BlakAdder]

Sorry, I'm here. Just haven't posted because I don't have much to say at this point.

[BlakAdder]

I'm here. Not much to say at this point, but I do like Korts's thoughts on the SC-Skruffs connection. However, my vote on Netlava will stand at this point.

[BlakAdder]

I'm with Korts and Hascow here. However, I don't quite feel comfortable voting either of them just off of this.

[BlakAdder]

@Korts: My bad. I meant SC or Skruffs.

[BlakAdder]

Well, the obvious thing people will want to here from you, killa seven, is what are your thoughts on the Netlava wagon? Or any of the other players with votes on them?

[BlakAdder]

I'm still here and reading.

[BlakAdder]

All right, I'm still here. Just to show that I'm reading, I don't really like the Raider wagon. It boils down to BM and Raider bickering because Raider changed his mind. I'm still for the Netlava wagon.
Just so I don't have to lurk any more, does anyone have any questions for me, or want to know my stance on anything?

[BlakAdder]

Still here. Not much has changed, I like my vote on Netlava.

[BlakAdder]

BM, I'm sorry, but I don't understand your points. Is there anyway you can rephrase what you said about Hascow and KoC, please?

[BlakAdder]

@BM: Reading what the others have said kind of cleared up what I was confused about. Your case didn't look like it was made up of actual scumtells, and that's what confused me. Also, what do you mean by "something doesn't have to be a scumtell to make a case?"

[BlakAdder]

@BM: Thank you for the explanation.
@Netlava: Seriously? This is all you have to say when you're L-2? My vote stands.

[BlakAdder]

And I believe that's the hammer.

[BlakAdder]

Armlx's idea sounds reasonable, especially with the method of death. Poisoning is most likely Mafia, and dismembering is definitely SK. Drowning might be Mafia too, but I don't know. Is it possible that there are poisoners in the Mafia? I've seen roles before with names like that who have a NK, but it takes place the next night.

[BlakAdder]

2 Mafia groups by themselves is a possibilty, as it would explain the flavor from Day 2, and the deaths tonight,

if

there are Poisoners in the Mafia. However, I can't shake the idea that there is a SK, just because of the MO's, dismemberment in particular.

[BlakAdder]

@Armlx: I think I mentioned it up there. A Poisoner is scum with a separate NK that takes place the next night.
@CK: I know, this is just me thinking out loud so others can comment on it.

[BlakAdder]

@Armlx: I think I mentioned it up there. A Poisoner is scum with a separate NK that takes place the next night.

Sounds broken.

Eh, it's just that I've seen this role before, and the fact that two people were poisoned might be a hint at this. Of course, I don't want to dwell on this too long.

[BlakAdder]

heh, although Skruffs' question to SC about whether or not he was a survivor was a terrible question, it's gotten some very, very interesting responses from SC. I don't like the dancing around the question he's doing. It's like he's some sort of neutral who wants to claim survivor after the town says there's a reason not to lynch claimed survivors.

You should vote him.

This wagon is moving a bit fast for me to jump on right now, but I'm strongly considering it if SC doesn't get any better.

QFT. I'll keep it as an

fos: StrangerCoug

for now, but I've still got my eye on him.

[BlakAdder]

@StrangerCoug: How does hypocrisy apply to scum?

[BlakAdder]

@StrangerCoug: How does hypocrisy apply to scum?

I thought I made it obvious. If you are accusing somebody of doing something scummy, then doing that same thing yourself is scummy.

Then specify that you are voting them for the scummy thing, not because they are being a hypocrite.

[BlakAdder]

What were you hoping for, Tubby?

[BlakAdder]

i don't know really,, it just all seems so anticlimatic is all,,,

no stomping of the feet, no yelling just "fine swiss townie"

Hmm... it could just be me, but it seems kind of suspicious to want people to get emotional.

fos: tubby

[BlakAdder]

Which, apparently, was not do it calmly.

[BlakAdder]

I'm still alive. Not much to say.

[BlakAdder]

I've been fence-sitting until this point, but I'll

vote: StrangerCoug

now. I believe that is L-1.

[BlakAdder]

intend to vote tomorrow: Citizen Karne

Dropping the hammer like that makes my scumdar go berserk.

[BlakAdder]

Have So Many Holes, They Appear to Be Swiss Cheese (12):

8. DynamoXI,[/color]

Swiss Townie

, Lynched Day 1
5. Erratus Apathos,

Swiss Roleblocker

, Cremated and Drowned Night 1
17. Netlava,

Swiss Townie

, Lynched Day 2
12. Cephrir,

Swiss Townie

, Poisoned Night 2.
7. Knight of Cydonia,

Swiss Townie

, Drowned Night 2.

20. Korts,

Icelandic Mafia Doctor

, Poisoned Night 2.[/b]

19. Sineish,

Portuguese Mafia Tracker

, Dismembered Night 2.[/b]
21. StrangerCoug

,

Swiss Townie

,

Lynched Day 3.

6. armlx,

Portuguese Mafia Watcher

, Drowned Night 3.[/b]
16. Cream147,

Swiss Townie

, Dismembered Night 3.
24. hasdgfas,

Swiss Townie

, Poisoned Night 3.

4. SensFan,

Icelandic Mafia Roleblocker

, Cremated Night 3.[/b]

Current Game Stage:

Day 4

Deadline:

None

Does that strike anyone else as odd? One mafia has a tracker AND a watcher? Another has a doc AND a roleblocker (okay that one isn't quite as odd but still).

I smell death miller.

I think you have the wrong idea of what a Death Miller is. What is your understanding of the role?

[BlakAdder]

Who had replaced Hascow? Or is that just what BlakAdder called hasdghfhs?

Yes to your second question.

And on the subject of BlakAdder, his play looks to be mirroring what I saw from armlx. I just went and took a look at all the posts BA has made in this game. Short posts that do not offer much in the way of game discussion. His play just seems removed.

Add to it that "intended vote for tomorrow" and...

Well, I want to here some justification from BA about his actions first, but my vote leans towards him right now.

Semi-lurking like this is normal playstyle for me. I do it as both town and scum.
I said that I intended to vote CK tomorrow because it would be irrelevant at the time, as he had just dropped the hammer. However, after thinking over the Night phase, I decided against it. Quick hammers quite obviously appear to be Karne's thing, and I thought that it didn't seem like that big of a deal anyway.

[BlakAdder]

Can someone explain one thing to me. What makes my "intend to vote tomorrow" scummy?

[BlakAdder]

I didn't really feel the need to comment on such a bad case, but hear you go.
Your case on me is nothing but misinterpreting my words. By saying that I intended to vote Karne the next day, I was in no way implying that I knew that I would live to the next day. And even so, that would be a stupid move by the scum as well, as we have now confirmed that there are multiple killing groups.

[BlakAdder]

@EGL: I already said that I decided not to vote Karne because I thought about it over the night. The intend to vote thing was based off of gut and instinct.
@ Raider: My point is that not even scum would be able to guarantee that They would live through the night.

[BlakAdder]

@EGL: I already said that I decided not to vote Karne because I thought about it over the night. The intend to vote thing was based off of gut and instinct.
@ Raider: My point is that not even scum would be able to guarantee that They would live through the night.

So there's no real reason that you changed your mind.

Did you just totally ignore what I said? I didn't vote him because I took the time to think about the situation rationally.

[BlakAdder]

In answer to EGL's question (sorry it took me so long, meatworld issues):
Three things went through my mind:
1. I took his apparent love of his speedhammers (from looking at his avatar and sig) into account in my thoughts.
2. I thought that he could have just overlooked Raider's request to allow StrangerCoug to speak.
3. After taking this time to calm down a bit, I came to thinking that the hammer was not that big of a deal. In hindsight, StrangerCoug was pretty scummy, even if I didn't think so at the time.

[BlakAdder]

I forgot that I had voted him. I remembered fence-sitting until that point, and I still kind of was.

[BlakAdder]

So a person with an unusual process is automatically put at the top on your scum list, BM?

[BlakAdder]

I said that I was fence-sitting at the time. There's a difference.

[BlakAdder]

Because I thought that StrangerCoug was a better lynch than anyone else, even if I was not 100% sure that he was scum.

[BlakAdder]

Care to redo it, then?

[BlakAdder]

@Tom: I already mentioned, I thought Stranger was the best lynch of the day.
@Everyone: I believe I'm at L-2. Would everyone like a claim?

[BlakAdder]

Fine. I'm a Swiss Doctor. I protected Hascow N1 and Cyberbob N2.

[BlakAdder]

Sorry, I did not breadcrumb. I usually don't.
I targeted Hascow the first night because he had not really done anything scummy and he had been fairly helpful in discussion. Cyberbob was my next runner up for the same reasons, and I did not want to target the same person two nights in a row.

[BlakAdder]

I generally try to keep from picking the same person too much as doc. I want to keep myself fairly unpredictable.
Obviously, I wish I had picked Hascow last night, but other than that, I have no regrets.
Yes, I targeted the players who I thought were most pro-town. I figure it's the best idea when there are no proven power roles.
Also, that N1 and N2 up there should be N2 and N3. I got a bit confused because I replaced in on D2.

[BlakAdder]

Mafia usually target the most pro-town players, so yes. Also, I can't remember off the top of my head Has or Cyber ever having a serious wagon on them.
I was never told who was protected N1, I'll PM the mod to see.
I don't think I saved anyone.

[BlakAdder]

Just got confirmation from the mod, there was no action N1.

[BlakAdder]

I don't keep track. I hardly ever play as doctor.

[BlakAdder]

Oh, you mean how many protects do I get per night? Okay, I get one. I thought you were asking about my play history as doc.

[BlakAdder]

Care to share what your "idea" for me is?

[BlakAdder]

personally if i were a doc i would never claim it, i might claim watcher/tracker something anything but doc,,,

to me claiming doc=scum fishing for real doc but thats just me

Town should

never

very rarely lie. Besides, if I claimed Tracker or Watcher, what would I do for my results? Just claim that I saw nothing every night?

@Caboose: I don't know about K7. That seems like normal play from him.

[BlakAdder]

Yes. I see no reason that my opinion on the subject should change. However, I am still not totally sure, and we will need to wait and see.

[BlakAdder]

I don't know. I'm going to do another read/skim tonight and try to pick out who I feel is most pro-town. But I don't know whether I should announce my pick in-thread or not.

[BlakAdder]

LAL= lynch a lurker???

LAL = Lynch all liars, I believe

[BlakAdder]

Still here. Not much to say right now.

[BlakAdder]

The answer to all the questions ask to me is, I changed my mind. No you cannot know why.

not helpfull

vote: springlullaby

QFT. Deliberately ignoring questions and not explaining yourself are not pro-town.

vote: springlullaby

[BlakAdder]

Dammit... I don't know whether I believe SL or not. I'll keep my vote for town.
SL, go ahead and tell us everything that you learned from your role. If you're town, you are a clear choice for a NK tonight.

[BlakAdder]

could have? hmm. I must admit i'm really curious as to your role now. :p

I didnt attempt to kill Skruffs last night.

BM

Then what did you do to him?

[BlakAdder]

@BM: No, I don't know your role. Have you claimed?

[BlakAdder]

I don't like how scared Caboose is of claiming.
Caboose, are you a variation of a doctor or are you a different role entirely?

[BlakAdder]

Should I protect one of the investigative roles and Caboose protect the other?

[BlakAdder]

I like BM's plan.

[BlakAdder]

Right.

[BlakAdder]

Ah, so the cremation was an SK kill. That clears things up a bit.

[BlakAdder]

Rule 1 of being a watcher. If you see someone go to your target, but the target doesnt die, they are almost certainly not scum. This game could be the exception, with scum having power roles, but its a bit of a reach, with 4 already dead. Anyway, you can have categorical proof that i didnt attempt to kill Skruffs last night- as the only kill which could have prevented it was an arsonist, and he was busy cremating Sensfan.

Another exception is the possibility of the mafia poisoner role where the poisonee doesn't die until the next night.

Well, if we refer to the MS.net flash... That would certainly be the case.

wot?

BM

We've been over this already. Just google mikeburnfire and you'll find his "Common Mafia Roles" flash. Mafia Poisoner is in there.

[BlakAdder]

I'm not liking Tom. Especially after this last post. Karne has only suggested a Tom wagon and he's already putting together bad defenses.

[BlakAdder]

vote: Tom Mason

He's getting more suspicious with each post.
@BM: If you've already claimed Cop, why wouldn't you tell us your night results?

[BlakAdder]

I know I agreed not to talk about this, but I have found a flaw in BM's plan. If anyone besides BM does not want me to talk about it, speak up and I might not mention it.

[BlakAdder]

Okay, there were two things:
First, I'm surprised no one has said this yet, but Caboose being an arsonist and not a doc shoots a hole in your idea.
Second, there is no way in your plan to find out if the cop (being you) is innocent. That would be a pretty convenient situation if you were scum.

[BlakAdder]

Correction: By "Caboose being an arsonist" I mean firefighter.

[BlakAdder]

I just pointed out what needed to be said. I realized that there was no way in the plan to confirm BM's innocence.
@BM: Yes, I suppose your results are the only way to confirm your innocence right now, but considering that you haven't even shared that...

[BlakAdder]

Congratulations, Raider. Best wishes.

Just pointing out, since some people seem to be taking what I said the wrong way, I am not blaming BM for the hole in his plan that came up since Caboose claimed Firefighter. I know that there was no way of him knowing that.

[BlakAdder]

I think that BM's plan should be forgotten about at this point. I'm protecting whoever I think is best.

[BlakAdder]

If the plan was so obviously flawed, why didn't you bring it up when it was relevant?
Regardless,

unvote, vote:BM

because of his plan, and because he seems to be the only remaining person openly denouncing the idea of Mafia poisoners.

[BlakAdder]

No, he has specifically said that there is no such thing as a mafia poisoner and therefore the mafia do not have them.

[BlakAdder]

Why can't we lynch BM. IMO, he's a much better lynch than SL.

[BlakAdder]

I'm thinking of a tubby-BM partnership right now. Tubby has followed everything BM has done and now since BM isn't here he's just gone back to voting me based on a non-existent case.
@Tubby, if I've been "becoming more scummy with every post," can you site any scummy things I have done?
@Raider, basically, BM's plan had no way to prove whether he (BM) was scum or not, and he is the only person who has specifically denounced the idea of Mafia poisoners.

[BlakAdder]

The vast majority of BM's defense looks like WIFOM to me. He has just been saying repeatedly "Why would scum claim cop at that point?" It might just be paranoia, but I get the feeling that he's trying to clear himself solely based on WIFOM.

[BlakAdder]

Question 2 does not make a lot of sense. Could you rephrase it?

[BlakAdder]

Thank you.
I think that the poisoners are Mafia. I assume that both mafias have one, but I am not sure.
1: That doesn't hold any water. Mods can include whatever roles they want.
2: That seems to be the only way that it would make sense for there to be mafia poisoners. If the poisoners were pro-town they probably would not have killed every night.
3: I honestly am not sure about this one. Just a theory, but do you think that there could be three mafias? (i.e., Mafia 1 has a Tracker and a Watcher, Mafia 2 has a Doctor and Roleblocker, and Mafia 3 has two poisoners?)
Do you not see any reason to question the people that think that there are no poisoners?

[BlakAdder]

Why does this matter though? We are looking for scum not the poisoner.

Good point, Raider. I hadn't thought of that. I'll have to go back and look at BM's other questions as well to see if any others had any pro-town significance.

[BlakAdder]

I like BM's plan.

~ this was dec 7th

If the plan was so obviously flawed, why didn't you bring it up when it was relevant?
Regardless,

unvote, vote:BM

because of his plan, and because he seems to be the only remaining person openly denouncing the idea of Mafia poisoners.

~this was dec 15th

so it took you that long from being completely on board with the plan to hating it and voting bm?

vote: Tom Mason

He's getting more suspicious with each post.
@BM: If you've already claimed Cop, why wouldn't you tell us your night results?

why does it matter if he reveals his findings are you getting nervous??

that and to top it all off,, ( wich i know this is the pot callin the kettle black) but your posts are about as worthless as a lurker you post no content no original opinion nothin, your like that kid at a fight thats standing behind the fighters yellin, hey are you gonna let him get away with that, eggin them on.

that and i don't like the fact that every other post you bring up the poisoner thing ,, enough already we know they exsist but dop you have a thought on alignment??

If you're going to attack me, at least respect me by not using crap logic.
You ignored that during that eight-day period where I changed stances on BM's plan, people had pointed out the flaws in the plan that were not visible on the 7th (which I will remind you is the day that BM released the plan).
Of course it is important that the cop reveal his results. Witholding important information from the town is in no way helpful.
I've voiced my stance on the poisoners' alignments several times. Read the fucking thread.
And you resort to insulting me as well. Great. I know have almost no doubt in my mind that BM and Tubby are scumbuddies.

[BlakAdder]

I'm going to have somewhat limited access starting the 26th. I'll try to post as much as I can.
I still like my vote on BM. Tubby would make a good wagon too.

[BlakAdder]

Hallelujah, someone has seen the light.
Good catch on that one, EGL. I honestly can't believe that I didn't see that myself.
Got any defense to this, BM?

[BlakAdder]

EBWOP: I meant to say Tom in my post, not EGL

[BlakAdder]

@EGL: I would notice if my kills were both were both apparently not working and my targets were happening to be targeted as well.
Also, there is also the chance that I have to protect them on the night that they die rather than the night that they are targeted. I didn't get any information on that. Would it be worth asking the mod?

[BlakAdder]

@EGL: What I meant was, it would be very easy for me to notice if I was a CPR Doc. If everyone I'm protecting is suddenly dropping dead, I would notice. It would be just too much coincidence for me to just be a Quack and my protect targets still be targeted.
Review, as requested by EGL. I protected Hasdgfas N2, and Cyberbob N3.

[BlakAdder]

BTW, I'm pretty sure the 50% chance of a kill does not apply to CPR Docs.
Also, I think it's safe to bet that CPR Docs and Insane Docs (the ones that are 50% chance protect, 50% kill) are informed of being so.
This is a pretty good reason to think that I am a CPR Doc if it's true, but I also think that a CPR Doc would give the game 5 potential NK's, which would probably imbalance it.

[BlakAdder]

Usually, the mafia who sends the kill PM is the one who actually performs the kill. But I don't want to try to out-guess the mod.

[BlakAdder]

Yeah, but if I'm correct, that's not exactly a normal game.

[BlakAdder]

If you knew that, then why bring it up?

[BlakAdder]

Say... do you guys think you could talk about lynch targets?

Gladly. Either BM or Tubby needs to die as soon as possible. At this point, I'm fine with either.

[BlakAdder]

How do you know that I just haven't read your post yet instead of ignoring it? Quit making attacks on me personally and play the game.
I would vote for you, but nobody else appears to hold the same idea. BM's wagon has some momentum already. Like I said, I'm fine with lynching either of you. If anyone else votes you, I would be more than happy to switch wagons.

[BlakAdder]

well then post your case so i can respond,

all i wanted you to do was acknowledge that i posted it and tell me why you would rather vote for bm over me?

it doesn't make sense to me so now you can play the game

Firstly, if you just want me to respond to your post, say so. Don't just say "BlakAdder's an idiot because he's not listening to me."
Secondly, as I said, I don't prefer BM over you. My vote just happens to already be on BM and I don't want to move it without good reason. I'm fine with either of you getting lynched.

[BlakAdder]

ok here is what i think

i believe that the case on bm is scum driven

why else would you be willing to lynch a claimed cop? especially if there are no counter claims?

they way i see it whats the harm in letting him live another day if he doesn't have any results to share tomorrow then by all means lynch him, if he lives through the nite.

Why are you so anxious to get yourself lynched rather than BM? Going off my theory that you two are scumbuddies, I would assume he's a power role and you're not. Or are you trying to stall the game by having another competing wagon?
Cop is too easy for scum to fake claim. Having ruled themselves and their scumbuddies out, they can point to just about any player and say "I have an innocent on so and so" and if there's another cop, they'll agree. Or, better yet, they can bus a scumbuddy that way and can be pretty much confirmed town.
Quit trying to negotiate votes off of BM. I want either you or your scumbuddy lynched today and it looks like it's going to be him.

[BlakAdder]

Sorry. BM is still my vote, and you're my vote tomorrow.

[BlakAdder]

Sorry. BM is still my vote, and you're my vote tomorrow.

[BlakAdder]

BM, can you please explain (although I'm sure you have already and I have just missed it) why, exactly, you will not claim your targets?

I've been trying to ask him this for forever. I'd like an answer too.

[BlakAdder]

no i have been questioning it from the beginning but i also think BA is the poisoner and needs to be lynched

Chrissake, tubby. No matter what we are talking about, you always try to move discussion back to your non-existant case on me. Stop tunneling and focus on the matter at hand.

[BlakAdder]

If my vote carries no weight, why do you want it off of BM so badly?

[BlakAdder]

Fair enough. You're still scum though.

[BlakAdder]

No, I haven't. I sent a PM to the mod, but it's still in my Outbox, so I assume he's on vacation or something.

[BlakAdder]

Can we

please

just lynch Tom Mason? We can go after BM if Skruffs dies of poisoning tonight

or

save an innocent man's life if he lives. Why are we focusing on BM today when we can have so much more information tomorrow?

So you're willing to let Skruffs die to see whether BM is innocent?

[BlakAdder]

Can we

please

just lynch Tom Mason? We can go after BM if Skruffs dies of poisoning tonight

or

save an innocent man's life if he lives. Why are we focusing on BM today when we can have so much more information tomorrow?

So you're willing to let Skruffs die to see whether BM is innocent?

Well, yes, but that is irrelevant. What makes you think killing BM will stop his alleged target from dying?

If we lynch him today and prove that he is Mafia, I will protect Skruffs tonight and save him from dying.
Just in case somebody wants me to clarify, I am mostly sure that this will work because if the poisoners are a delayed kill, than I protected Hascow the night he was originally targeted by the poisoner and he still died. Therefore, if I protect a target the night after they are targeted, i.e., the night they are supposed to die, I should still be able to save them. This will also work if the poisoners don't work on a delayed kill either.
So, let's lynch BM today and if he flips scum, I'll protect Skruffs tonight. What do you say?

[BlakAdder]

Okay, I just got confirmation from Skitzer. In order to save someone being poisoned, I have to protect them on the night that they die.

[BlakAdder]

@CK: My protection of Hascow should not have worked at all. I did not protect Hascow on the night he died, and thus he should have still died whether he was killed with a direct or delayed kill.
Also,

Why do you have such a hard-on for me?

Probably sigging this.

[BlakAdder]

Meh, whatever. It's still getting sig'd.

[BlakAdder]

Are you serious? BM's my biggest suspect. I'm not protecting him.

[BlakAdder]

I would highly suggest you use your vote more productively, springlullaby. Perhaps move it to Tom Mason?

Or BM.
Or Tubby.
Or someone with more reason behind their wagon besides the fact that they're lurking.

[BlakAdder]

I'm here. BM is still the best wagon.

[BlakAdder]

Caboose: What about K7, other than the fact that he is lurking, makes you inclined to vote him?

Same question to SpringLullaby.

[BlakAdder]

I've made up my mind. It's just the fact that no one is agreeing with me.
Also, we have a majority at the moment. You're succeeding in nothing but adding another competing wagon to the mix.

[BlakAdder]

What else is there to discuss? One of them is going to be the lynch today.

[BlakAdder]

I just finished reading the TM case. It has merrit but I like the case on BM better. The thing that makes me like the idea of a BM lynch more is because of the information he is holding out without a real reason as to why.

Care to place a vote on BM then?

I will assuming BM does not post the information in his next post.

I am tired of watching BM drag things in circles with this whole posting information charade.

If he had anything to post, he would and should have posted it weeks ago.

QFT. Forget about this and just vote him. He hasn't posted any actual content in weeks.

[BlakAdder]

ANYTHING OF CONSEQUENCE
I think everyone would like to particularly hear your investigation results.
Or, here's a better idea.
YOU COULD PLAY THE FREAKING GAME AND SCUMHUNT AND VOTE AND NOT JUST RUN AWAY ONCE YOU BECOME THE LEADING WAGON

[BlakAdder]

Whatever. You're still holding back your targets.
Also, if there are indeed mafia poisoners, it would be very easy for Mafia to fake being a pro-town poisoner.
Thirdly, why did you bother claiming Cop in the first place?

[BlakAdder]

I'll remind you that you said that when BM flips scum.

[BlakAdder]

How can you be so sure that there is only one scum left from each group?

[BlakAdder]

Raider, would you replace into a game that was over 100 pages?

[BlakAdder]

*sighs* It would be so much easier if you would just hammer BM. I promise I won't hold it against you. (Can't speak for the others, though.)

[BlakAdder]

That's true, but beside the point.

[BlakAdder]

@BM: These last-minute gripings aren't really helping your case at all. Firstly, it makes me more suspicious of the fact that you weren't saying a thing before your claim. Second, all of them pretty much add up to either "Everyone's suspicious and you should all go crazy in a clusterf*ck of WIFOM and ridiculous votes tomorrow," or "Here, Tubby, even though I'm pretty much dead, here's what you should do tomorrow to help us win."

[BlakAdder]

Thank you so much, Cyberbob. It's good to see a couple of people with sense in this game.
Also, tubby, you're only reinforcing my thoughts of lynching you tomorrow.

[BlakAdder]

Damn. I'm going to reread Raider, but we can't dwell on the lynched too long.
That said, I think the next move is obvious.

vote: Caboose

With BM flipping town, I think it's pretty obvious that the "cremated" kill flavor belongs to one of the Mafias.

[BlakAdder]

@EGL: I think that the most logical idea for kill flavor is as follows:
-Icelandic kills by drowning
-Portuguese kills by cremation
-We have another pro-town poisoner
-There is an SK that kills by dismemberment
If anyone wants to disprove me, go right ahead.
@Tubby: Please elaborate on how you specifically knew that BM was not Icelandic Mafia or I will shift my vote to you.

[BlakAdder]

Meh... anyone else buy this?

[BlakAdder]

I see no reason to not vote Tubby at this point. See Citizen Karne's post.

Vote: tubby

[BlakAdder]

@EGL: Oh, yes, thank you for pointing that out. I need to a post-it note or something on my computer to remind me to unvote before voting. Anyway, I agree about taking time to discuss today, so I will keep my vote off of tubby for the moment.

Also, I protected EGL last night, so I assume that it's safe to say that I protected him from death by cremation.

[BlakAdder]

How is that funny?

Hm gee I don't know, maybe it's because your last post was on the 21st, you've only posted 22 times in the whole game and you've never posted anything of substance (only one post went over more than one line)?

QFT. Start posting more.

[BlakAdder]

Damn. I was typing while I was on the way out of the room, I must have forgotten to hit submit before closing.
tbh, I looked over everyone and I couldn't find much of anything that was majorly scummy coming from you. Everyone else, I at least found something. So, you were my choice.

[BlakAdder]

Ewww...
You guys are actually using NK flavor meta? That's really weak.

BTW, protected myself last night. I was hopping that I drew the arsonist kill, which I seem to have done.

How often can a protective role protect itself?
This, the discrediting of our NK discussion, and my argument earlier lead me to

HOS: Caboose

[BlakAdder]

Survivors should be immediately lynched, as there is no way to confirmbthat they are either self-aligned or harmless. Didn't CK say this already? Can we lynch you now?

[BlakAdder]

@Caboose: Do you have no other input to make?

[BlakAdder]

But if it is this blatantly obvious that each killing faction has its own kill flavor, it's worth discussing for at least a moment.

[BlakAdder]

Why?

[BlakAdder]

Yes.

[BlakAdder]

But why is she more likely to be pro-town than lying?

[BlakAdder]

Fair enough. I still suspect you, though.

[BlakAdder]

Mod: Could we get a vote count please?

I'm all for voting Tubby, but I want to get as much conversation as possible out of the day. Accidentally hammering would be bad.

[BlakAdder]

Just a note: I'm willing to hammer tubby when we are finished discussing for the day?

[BlakAdder]

Dammit, dammit, dammit! What part of we're not through talking can you not grasp?

[BlakAdder]

True. Anyone have anything left to say before the day ends?
I, for one, feel that if we have a vig or another pro-town poisoner, Caboose should definitely be their target tonight.

[BlakAdder]

I still think he's the SK.

[BlakAdder]

Don't make any assumptions yet. We can't know for sure what his role is until the Mod reveals it.

[BlakAdder]

Give it a second, he'll be back here soon.

[BlakAdder]

If that's really the case, I'm going to laugh so hard.

[BlakAdder]

Dammit! Go town.

[BlakAdder]

Good game everyone. That got suspenseful near the end.

[BlakAdder]

EBWOP: Anyone have any constructive criticism on my playstyle?