You beat me...My last game was in 2016.In post 9, Bub Bidderskins wrote: First game in nearly 10 years. The meta's still to random vote at the start of day 1 I assume?
for showing me up.....
You beat me...My last game was in 2016.In post 9, Bub Bidderskins wrote: First game in nearly 10 years. The meta's still to random vote at the start of day 1 I assume?
Im sold.In post 21, Bub Bidderskins wrote:In post 17, KawaiiKame wrote: It beginsSo right off the bat I'm somewhat suspicious of both Kawaii and Hu Tao here. This is admitedly somewhat weak because the game just started, but both of these posts are really fluffy, non-commital and not progressing the game. Now, is this progressing the game more than a random vote? I dunno, but the reason why "random" votes are a thing is to create an initial paper trail of some sort...they aren't really random, so it immediately puts the scum in a bit of a pick of whether or not to bus. So far, these posts are just the most flimsy, "hey I'm here but not actually advancing the game" kind of posts.In post 18, Hu Tao wrote: Hello everyone
I'm, going to go ahead and VOTE: Hu Tao
Mainly because it was another post right after a fluff post by Kawaii. Kind of reads as scum thinking "okay, need to say something now to not look suspicious" while being non-comittal.
Also going to put afinger of suspicion on Kawaiifor similar sorts of reasons, but I think it's very unlikely that both Kawaii and Hu are scum. No way a scum comes in right after their buddy to make an almost identical post.
my gut response is "that is where you put your "finger" versus a vote". Its a way to get credit for something without doing the hard work. That being said...this is Day 1 and I see you getting conversation started, so it could be probably nothing. ALSO, I just did the same thing.In post 39, Bub Bidderskins wrote:Fair enough, but just out of curiosity, why are you more suspicious of Kawaii than Hsu?In post 33, curiouskarmadog wrote: Im sold.
However, Im going to
vote Kawaii
I hate finger of suspicions...its like getting credit for a vote without having to do anything. If Kawaii flips scum, this looks sketchy.
consider this my finger of suspicion (any hypocrisy) on Bub
I dont think it was ever in style.In post 41, Cephrir wrote: Also btw FoSing is out of style these days
LOL.....In post 59, Hu Tao wrote:Why vote him over me if you're "sold"?In post 33, curiouskarmadog wrote:Im sold.In post 21, Bub Bidderskins wrote:In post 17, KawaiiKame wrote: It beginsSo right off the bat I'm somewhat suspicious of both Kawaii and Hu Tao here. This is admitedly somewhat weak because the game just started, but both of these posts are really fluffy, non-commital and not progressing the game. Now, is this progressing the game more than a random vote? I dunno, but the reason why "random" votes are a thing is to create an initial paper trail of some sort...they aren't really random, so it immediately puts the scum in a bit of a pick of whether or not to bus. So far, these posts are just the most flimsy, "hey I'm here but not actually advancing the game" kind of posts.In post 18, Hu Tao wrote: Hello everyone
I'm, going to go ahead and VOTE: Hu Tao
Mainly because it was another post right after a fluff post by Kawaii. Kind of reads as scum thinking "okay, need to say something now to not look suspicious" while being non-comittal.
Also going to put afinger of suspicion on Kawaiifor similar sorts of reasons, but I think it's very unlikely that both Kawaii and Hu are scum. No way a scum comes in right after their buddy to make an almost identical post.
However, Im going to
vote Kawaii
I hate finger of suspicions...its like getting credit for a vote without having to do anything. If Kawaii flips scum, this looks sketchy.
consider this myfinger of suspicion (any hypocrisy) on Bub
(attempt to make friends)In post 81, Andante wrote: I vote Kowahbunga for town leader.
In post 95, curiouskarmadog wrote:LOL.....In post 59, Hu Tao wrote:Why vote him over me if you're "sold"?In post 33, curiouskarmadog wrote:Im sold.In post 21, Bub Bidderskins wrote:In post 17, KawaiiKame wrote: It beginsSo right off the bat I'm somewhat suspicious of both Kawaii and Hu Tao here. This is admitedly somewhat weak because the game just started, but both of these posts are really fluffy, non-commital and not progressing the game. Now, is this progressing the game more than a random vote? I dunno, but the reason why "random" votes are a thing is to create an initial paper trail of some sort...they aren't really random, so it immediately puts the scum in a bit of a pick of whether or not to bus. So far, these posts are just the most flimsy, "hey I'm here but not actually advancing the game" kind of posts.In post 18, Hu Tao wrote: Hello everyone
I'm, going to go ahead and VOTE: Hu Tao
Mainly because it was another post right after a fluff post by Kawaii. Kind of reads as scum thinking "okay, need to say something now to not look suspicious" while being non-comittal.
Also going to put afinger of suspicion on Kawaiifor similar sorts of reasons, but I think it's very unlikely that both Kawaii and Hu are scum. No way a scum comes in right after their buddy to make an almost identical post.
However, Im going to
vote Kawaii
I hate finger of suspicions...its like getting credit for a vote without having to do anything. If Kawaii flips scum, this looks sketchy.
consider this myfinger of suspicion (any hypocrisy) on Bub
what exactly do you think his point was there? break it down what YOU think the point is please.
So instead of him looking scummy to you, you vote me?In post 118, Bub Bidderskins wrote:
I'm getting a mild townie read from Hsu but I'm not 100%. They didn't panic or immediately deflect when under some mild pressure, but did use it as opportunity to ask questions. For example, I read their post #59 questioning curiouskarmadog's vote for Kawaii over Hsu as a good faith attempt to scumhunt and not a panic deflection. Still early and I'm not married to this read, but for now in the town pile.
He said "I think X are Y" are scummy. I voted Y. You ask "why did you vote X over Y". Which was explained when I voted. Your next question was "But if you think that why would you agree with the cases in the first place." which essentially is saying.."if you think Y is scummy, why would you agree with X and Y are scummy". which is a straight out silly question.In post 138, Hu Tao wrote:You are basically saying you're sold on his cases but voted the one he has a scumread on that he didn't vote. Because you think it could he a soft bus? But if you think that why would you agree with the cases in the first place. I think you should be answering it, not having others answer for you.In post 95, curiouskarmadog wrote:I dont think it was ever in style.In post 41, Cephrir wrote: Also btw FoSing is out of style these days
LOL.....In post 59, Hu Tao wrote:Why vote him over me if you're "sold"?In post 33, curiouskarmadog wrote:Im sold.In post 21, Bub Bidderskins wrote:In post 17, KawaiiKame wrote: It beginsSo right off the bat I'm somewhat suspicious of both Kawaii and Hu Tao here. This is admitedly somewhat weak because the game just started, but both of these posts are really fluffy, non-commital and not progressing the game. Now, is this progressing the game more than a random vote? I dunno, but the reason why "random" votes are a thing is to create an initial paper trail of some sort...they aren't really random, so it immediately puts the scum in a bit of a pick of whether or not to bus. So far, these posts are just the most flimsy, "hey I'm here but not actually advancing the game" kind of posts.In post 18, Hu Tao wrote: Hello everyone
I'm, going to go ahead and VOTE: Hu Tao
Mainly because it was another post right after a fluff post by Kawaii. Kind of reads as scum thinking "okay, need to say something now to not look suspicious" while being non-comittal.
Also going to put afinger of suspicion on Kawaiifor similar sorts of reasons, but I think it's very unlikely that both Kawaii and Hu are scum. No way a scum comes in right after their buddy to make an almost identical post.
However, Im going to
vote Kawaii
I hate finger of suspicions...its like getting credit for a vote without having to do anything. If Kawaii flips scum, this looks sketchy.
consider this myfinger of suspicion (any hypocrisy) on Bub
what exactly do you think his point was there? break it down what YOU think the point is please.
In post 137, Hu Tao wrote: I'm glad with curious votes. I think they are the most suspicious still. No updates to my reads. I do think someone who was on my wagon is likely scum trying to put a vote down, but I can't say that is all for certain
Really like who?
seem legit, cant argue math.In post 128, ballpointpen wrote: VOTE: curiouskarmadog
bub noting that karma's explanation for voting kawaii was effectively bullshit is the most villager-y thing he's done all game, and karma's chances of being wolf were raised by a solid 17% because of that
is that what I said? Where did I remotely indicate I thought you were a low poster? Also compared to who? Are you a low poster? Did I indicate I thought you were a low poster OR did I note that you only tried to make friends and told a joke to get people to like you. Did I even vote you in that post? Also, interesting phrasing there. "reads". Who uses reads? Scum just vote and make up a reasons. They dont use "reads" because they know who scum is.In post 144, Andante wrote: VOTE: curiouskarmadog
I don't have manyreads, but this is just "I'm pushing a low poster cause I can" and it's "here's a push, but I can't push too much just cause there's nothing for the slot, but if I shade her enough, I can get votes there"
sorry, only enough room for 1 dog in this town.
In post 176, Kowahbunga wrote:Yeah it wasn't said like that at all. Post 48 - "Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really.In post 170, KittyTacky wrote:????In post 166, Kowahbunga wrote:Well you should. They literally slipped and called me town which is impossible for any town player to know on D1. Its not, however, impossible for scum to know on D1.In post 165, KittyTacky wrote: I don't like Kowah's push on Greeting.
Do you not know that "X is town" is basically just a way to say "I have a strong TR on X"?It is a common mistake for townto assume that every post has intention."
That was in response to my 44. "I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret."
They did not just simply say "Kowah is town" they responded and said what I said "is a common mistake for town" that's not a town read. That's not a guess. That was an attempt to discredit my opinion on the game followed by a them blatantly mentioning what my alignment is. This does not come from a town POV.
Also, why don't you actually read the game before you come in here and discredit what I've been doing? What gives you the confidence to come in here, tell me you don't like my push on Greeting, and then openly prove you haven't even looked at it?
He came into the game....trying to make friends...making some jokes (IMO) Anything this is day 1...so I just noted it and moved on.In post 181, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I'm not quite sure I'm getting your line of suspicion on Andante at the moment.
LOL, well you covered all of your bases then didnt you? "Im leaning scum, but could be wrong" What post in particular do you feel is not coming from a town mindset?In post 182, MalcolmTucker wrote: Quick skim of Curious Karma's ISO would move them into slight scumlean for me at the moment. I could be on the wrong track but their posts don't feel like they're coming from a town mindset so far.
welcome.In post 185, GuyInFreezer wrote: Man I know it’s only 8 pages but given how long the posts in last two pages looked there must be some sort of 1v1 going on
so the answer is (mostly) just meta. in your opinion, would scum also fall back on "I dont have many reads, so I just join the biggest wagon"?In post 188, MalcolmTucker wrote:Andante's playstyle so far feels pretty typical for them and I've seen it come from town Andante in previous games.In post 186, curiouskarmadog wrote:He came into the game....trying to make friends...making some jokes (IMO) Anything this is day 1...so I just noted it and moved on.In post 181, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I'm not quite sure I'm getting your line of suspicion on Andante at the moment.
THEN his only contribution to the game is to attack me for not liking this play so far and making a note of it.
He only votes me ONCE the wagon gets going with a made up reason that doesnt make any sense.
What do you think of this reason to vote me?
You don't have to agree with it but I don't think Andante's reason for suspecting you is particularly awful - they think your scumread is unnaturally weak and don't feel it's necessarily a genuine read coming from town. From experience as well I know Andante's suspected me in the past when I was town voting for them, I think they tend to suspect players who scumread them when they're town as a general rule unless the read is really strong.
I think the fact they're admitting they don't have too many reads at this point feels natural in a townie way, they're willing to admit to weaknesses in their play at this stage in a way scum sometimes aren't.
someone has got to eventually. BUT I am curious WHY. In my opinion as we get closer to the resolution (lynch or counterwagon) I imagine at least one scum will come to my defense to get some town cred upon my reveal. I dont feel like we are in that stage yet, BUT I am curious WHY you feel I am town.In post 190, GuyInFreezer wrote: I bet I can so many people angry by claiming that I townread ckd.
Noted...and thank you for your answers.In post 196, MalcolmTucker wrote:I play this way a lot. I'll admit when I'm uncertain and I'm often uncertain early game. Never feel the need to go all-out with a read as town because to do so wouldn't reflect how I'm thinking.In post 187, curiouskarmadog wrote:LOL, well you covered all of your bases then didnt you? "Im leaning scum, but could be wrong" What post in particular do you feel is not coming from a town mindset?In post 182, MalcolmTucker wrote: Quick skim of Curious Karma's ISO would move them into slight scumlean for me at the moment. I could be on the wrong track but their posts don't feel like they're coming from a town mindset so far.
If I am leaning scum in your opinion, why not vote me? I am not close to being hammered. And so much information could come out of a little pressure.
I don't tend to vote heavily early game as a general rule and I'd have Ballpoint down as scummier than you anyway.
Post 97 pinged me a little because the joking attempt to get a wagon on you feels really forced - as is your hint now I should vote for you. You clearly don't think you should be read as scum so why do you want attention to be wasted on you? It feels like a failed attempt at wanting to look townie by acting as if you're cool with people voting for you. It doesn't reflect how you're approaching the game.
I don't think Andante is particularly scummy and feel like your push there is pretty weak.
I have one of those posting/playing styles that gets a lot of action (wagons/votes) no matter my alignment. Dont know why...In post 222, Cephrir wrote: I am having... A Thought Process
@ckd- why did you call for a wagon on yourself as opposed to someone else?
speaking of honest scum hunting. you went through my posts (I assumed you did, because you are scum hunting right?) and didnt see a question directed at you?
its my STYLE baby, its mine style.In post 250, ballpointpen wrote: ckd sounds really edgy but it turns out to just be the capitalization
funny tactic to HIGHLIGHT certain words more than others
curious....thoughts on Bub and Andante....and if you are feeling saucy Hu Tao.In post 261, Greeting wrote: There's definitely at least one scum in: {KittyTacky,NJAC,Glitch}. I'll see in the postgame if my instincts were right.
I did what now?In post 277, Andante wrote: like, one of my first actual posts back, dog was picking me to SR solely cause I wasn't around to defend myself, yet I don't think any of yall realized that? so I show up, call it out, you vote me? feels like a really weak reason to sr me
I got one answerIn post 281, Andante wrote: like, I'm literally the 2nd most popular SR. WHAT HAVE I EVEN DONE THIS GAME TO BE A TOP SR FOR?
but moving on.In post 282, Andante wrote: like, I haven't done... anything?
who said your SR was fake? did you question them about it? who do THEY think is scummy? I was going after you because I thought you were easy? WHERE? If you really believe that, what post{s} led you to believe that.In post 282, Andante wrote: like, I haven't done... anything? great work yall! I think we lim the slot with nothing, we watch them flip town, then just shrug it off tomorrow. sounds like a real solid plan.
versus my sr on karma dog (which I saw someone say was so fake) where karma was very clearly going after me with the thought I was an easy lim, aren't scum only looking for the easy lims here? giant 17p game, "heyyy let's just pick off town, 1 by 1" like, THERE'S NOTHING GENUINELY SCUMMY ABOUT MY POSTS. I can see the "oh frozen scum" argument, but like, that's literally not even the argument against me
why am(was) I scum read? who are your other reads? Why wouldnt they be bussing me? As of this change of vote my wagon was Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins, KittyTacky, Andante, KowahbungaIn post 295, Kowahbunga wrote: The confusing thing to me now is that I scum read Curious for their ISO. But two of my three other scum reads are on him. Which makes me feel less confident in him being scum now.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Greeting
I'm going back here.
whats that case again?In post 352, KittyTacky wrote: Still think it's CKD. The case makes sense and they're doing a poor job defending themself.
yeah I am soft claiming....if the definition of a power role is non-vanilla, then yeah, I am a "power role".In post 378, Bub Bidderskins wrote: Softclaiming a vague power-role is absolutely the scummiest possible reaction to building pressure.
At this point I'm locked in on the CKD wagon.
this is true. this will not be countered. I mean...I am not 100% sure there is not another role like mine, but balance wise...I dont think so.In post 382, Save The Dragons wrote: It doesn't sound like ckd is claiming a role that's gonna get cc'd tho
I really cant without basically claiming. you will have to believe me or not, we can discuss game theory after this is all over.In post 393, MalcolmTucker wrote:Can you explain why not? If you have a strong role then it may be more helpful for us to know and gives a better indication you are indeed town.In post 383, curiouskarmadog wrote:yeah I am soft claiming....if the definition of a power role is non-vanilla, then yeah, I am a "power role".In post 378, Bub Bidderskins wrote: Softclaiming a vague power-role is absolutely the scummiest possible reaction to building pressure.
At this point I'm locked in on the CKD wagon.
ALSO this isnt in reaction to the wagon, it is a reaction to me leaving for the rest of the week.A full claim will not help town at all.If you want to find out what I am, you will have to kill me tonight.
side note, I dont care about wall texts...I am usually called out for them. I just didnt want to add to the post.In post 389, Bub Bidderskins wrote:Sorry about the wallposting.In post 365, curiouskarmadog wrote: for Bub
dont want to repost the huge wall that was 242.
however my question was simply this.
in my post 136, I ask why you decided to leave off my question to Hu Tao when you made your "CKD is scummy because he is not scum hunting case". you post all my other posts, but deliberately left that post out. I wanted to know why?
and you still actually havent answered that question. Why did you chose to leave that post out when you posted ALL of my other post to "prove" your point. Clearly you cherry picked post and that post did not fit into your narrative.
I didn't cherry pick -- I picked posts that were representative. Your question to Hsu doesn't go against the narrative, in fact it exemplifies it. You asked Hsu a banal and vague question that's unlikely to actually advance the game state. But you did it to make it look like you were scumhunting so you could point to it if and when accused of not scumhunting.
Look back at my post, I actually think I did myself a disservice by not quoting your question to Hsu in post #95 because it would have made my point stronger. It fed into my vibes that you were posting stuff that wans't meaningfully scumhunting but in the moment I was posting the other examples sprung more easily to mind.
I also did answer your question to me in post #242 but I guess you didn't like/notice my answer.
yay more jokes...more friends. no content.In post 401, Andante wrote:Hey look friends!! I made it to the townie basket!!! Yall proud of me? XDIn post 376, Glitch wrote: Andante, Kawaii, ballpoint, and Bub are in my townie basket.
I am proud of me too!!!
really? I havent pushed a scum read?In post 403, Andante wrote: my thoughts on the karma dog claim, they can't full claim right now without that being scummy af,and the way they've been playing, doesn't seem to me like they have actually been trying to push a sr,like with the knowledge they're gone rest of d1, the way they're playing doesn't seem to line up with what I think town would do, cause it seems more that karma dog doesn't care who the lim even is, and the "here's a soft claim" is cause the wagon is basically non existent, can't commit to a hard claim, and this?? like, just go "X is my top sr, lim X" and that's like going "hey look! shiny thing!!!" this is day 1 of a 17p game. "Hey guys I'm busy, won't be here again till d2" literally all you need to say, then we go "ok cool, can vote elsewhere" it's not like there's 1 scum alive.
idk, I don't like the "here's my claim" thing, that is far from what I would do there as town
wait, was the directed at me? You thought that was an insult? you WERE sad sacking. Voting yourself and throwing a tantrum. I mean..come on.In post 1433, Cephrir wrote: Thx I'm always up for a good insult
why?In post 1431, Hu Tao wrote: Curious you may not be my top scumread anymore. Good work
look, sorry if your feelings are genuinely hurt. But your reaction to a little pressure does not match the years of experience you have. So it is hard to take that at face value. The im going to take my ball and go home stance was silly and not helpful. I stand by what I said, if you flip scum, you should be embarrassed how you garnered town cred. For me, that is what you did. I had a null read on your until that. Then you just appeared like a sad sacking town.In post 1442, Cephrir wrote:Thanks, doubling down is usually a good response when someone says they were hurtIn post 1439, curiouskarmadog wrote:wait, was the directed at me? You thought that was an insult? you WERE sad sacking. Voting yourself and throwing a tantrum. I mean..come on.In post 1433, Cephrir wrote: Thx I'm always up for a good insult
thats fair.In post 1447, Cephrir wrote: Maybe just shut up about it instead of banging on
flash wagon on Bub?In post 1446, Hu Tao wrote:I'm trying to pocket you. Is it working? Can you vote one of the 2 wagons? Your vote is doing nothing to end the dayIn post 1441, curiouskarmadog wrote:why?In post 1431, Hu Tao wrote: Curious you may not be my top scumread anymore. Good work
In post 1451, Hu Tao wrote:100% agreed with this btwIn post 1445, curiouskarmadog wrote:look, sorry if your feelings are genuinely hurt. But your reaction to a little pressure does not match the years of experience you have. So it is hard to take that at face value. The im going to take my ball and go home stance was silly and not helpful. I stand by what I said, if you flip scum, you should be embarrassed how you garnered town cred. For me, that is what you did. I had a null read on your until that. Then you just appeared like a sad sacking town.In post 1442, Cephrir wrote:Thanks, doubling down is usually a good response when someone says they were hurtIn post 1439, curiouskarmadog wrote:wait, was the directed at me? You thought that was an insult? you WERE sad sacking. Voting yourself and throwing a tantrum. I mean..come on.In post 1433, Cephrir wrote: Thx I'm always up for a good insult
Well I guess I had a good run.In post 1457, Hu Tao wrote:This post ruined all town cred you gained. Unfortunate.In post 1454, curiouskarmadog wrote: on come?!?! the two people I have SR on, are agreeing with me?!?! ugh...
jesus..In post 1511, schadd_ wrote: replacing cephrir
In post 1519, Flavor Leaf wrote: What are people’s reads on Bud?
Im not going to claim what I am not....ANNNND I have already stated that killing me wouldnt wreck the town. SO does my claim suck or does my role? I guess this is one of those, "I told you so...haha I was right and you were wrong" situations...but also, ill be dead. so there is that.In post 1522, Flavor Leaf wrote: Curious’ claim sucked. Never trust a day 1 softie like that. It could be true, it just sucked, and let’s them hide for a little bit behind it.
I’ll trust a VT claim Day 1 over a softie any day.
in this net of two you are throwing....(and this is a serious question) are Bub and myself both scum? If the answer is some version of "NO" then YES you shouldIn post 1523, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m almost willing to go Curious today because of the softie.
But yeah, Bud pinged my scum tinglings.
He said..in the same post, we were both scummy. I am asking him if he thought we were scum together. Where did I say anything else?In post 1545, Venmar wrote:Stinky stinky. It's not about just the pagecount, the game has been going on for almost 3 weeks now and could go on longer as Ceph is now slated to probably get replaced too. I think at a certain point when a day has been dragged on for as long as this one has, the focus gets lost in all the noise and fatigue. I think scum would be the ones mostly interested in prolonging the day and avoiding a consensus since keeping town confused and divided is ultimately more useful than a cheap 'lim.In post 1533, curiouskarmadog wrote:in this net of two you are throwing....(and this is a serious question) are Bub and myself both scum? If the answer is some version of "NO" then YES you shouldIn post 1523, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m almost willing to go Curious today because of the softie.
But yeah, Bud pinged my scum tinglings.
lynch(something about a machine) one of us. I think a lot of information could be garnered from our flips actually. I mean, look you have already laid the ground work to go after one of us tomorrow, why not do it now. There are more than enough people here who have expressed interest in my wagon. And I imagine scum will use the length of the game as a guise to "vote X because the game is going to long".
That reminds, Ive been a 100 page D1 game. This is nothing. It is a large game with people you like to have one word posts. Get over (to all) it or replace out, but leaning on "I just want this day to end so I dont care" is a cop out....and scum will DEFINITELY be saying this at the end.
Also I don't think there is anything that Flavor said that'd indicate both you and Bub HADto be scum together and it's weird to me you went straight to theorizing that. Painting the situation as a black and white one that seemingly makes it seem like the choice is either you or Bub just feels like a sussy defense aimed at getting you at least into N1.
garbage post.In post 1547, Bub Bidderskins wrote: I'd be down on a flash wagon on Bub if it means we end this goddman day.
LOL...oh you.In post 1568, Bub Bidderskins wrote:Fuck sorry I missed your question because it was lost in all the garbage 1-sentence posts.In post 1562, Save The Dragons wrote: WHOOOOOO
is this a job interview, why you giving us a resume?In post 1955, Flavor Leaf wrote: I forgot how jaded I get playing games after 9 years of being on site. Add up my 2 main accounts, I might have the highest post count of all time. Not sure if that's correct, though. stoned thoughts.