Mafia 82: International (Game Over)

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/ replacing in,, wow do i have alot of work to do,,

will post more soonest

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@bm,

ok so i finished reading the treaty arguments and i have a few questions,

1) the treaty its self would either work like fly paper atracting scum to it thus making it easy to se them correct?

2) by making the treaty small say less than 6 it cares no real danger power? but it does break the large group up into small peices,

the best way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time

i also think the likely senerio here is two families an sk,, why/

sk usually kill in a most brutal manner, torching, dismemberment, or lots of blood and gore, { nite one kill come to mind}

were has a vig is more methodical planned out still a sloppy

but those are just my thoughts now still a load of pages to go through.

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2) by making the treaty small say less than 6 it cares no real danger power? but it does break the large group up into small peices,

the best way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time

I'm not quite sure what you mean here. 6 people can be quite an influential force, if they comprise 50% of a majority, they dont need much outside support to comprise a formidable looking wagon.

@ bm
the point i failed to make was that by entering the pact it would force the townie member to root the scum out of his pact first ,, like narrowing the search rather than lookin at all 20 some odd people they would first look at their members to clear or accuse them ??

but pretty much the pact thing is a moute point and i need to move on

back to reading noob lol,, i'll just let the grown ups talk awhile now

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@ lowell,

ok could you perhaps highlight that case agianst cass/sensfan??

idk if i am even that far yet?

and i still don't see what the big deal was for netluva other than the dice roll vote and jumpin off of cass?

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Two, why should a survivor lie?

umm i dunno to survive?? i mean thats their endgame win is if they are alive,

Vote: StrangerCoug

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fos on skruffs and tom mason

just a note will post more later on

but basically makin raider out to be the bad guy and moving disscussion away from sc

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but basically makin raider out to be the bad guy and moving disscussion away from sc

I kind of agree, but I also don't think tunnel vision is good for the town unless a deadline is looming. It isn't, so I think we can afford to talk about things other than SC.

Actually, i totally agree with Tubby here. Granted we can talk about other things, but if we've pretty much established that the majority think SC is scum, we ought to run him up as quickly as possible. That way, if he IS town, he can claim, and we have time to move on, without ending up with a NL. If he IS scum, we ensure that he doesnt somehow distract the town into letting him survive another day.

BM

to clarify with a player group this large its easy for us to get distracted,, now if SC clears himself thats one thing but to blantantly distract from that is tre' anti town imo

FoS on skruffs and Tom Mason

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^ i did it twices so i would remember i really wanna look into them hard when sc flips scum

short term memory blows goats lol

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no the reason fos skruff and tom mason twice, was to hopefully get you two to give clearer thoughts on wether or not SC is a good lynch or not.

and yes BM i did it on purpose

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thank you tom

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SC, claiming might be your best move right now.

Fine. Swiss townie.

so at L-3 u claim swiss townie??

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i don't know really,, it just all seems so anticlimatic is all,,,

no stomping of the feet, no yelling just "fine swiss townie"

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i don't know really,, it just all seems so anticlimatic is all,,,

no stomping of the feet, no yelling just "fine swiss townie"

Hmm... it could just be me, but it seems kind of suspicious to want people to get emotional.

fos: tubby

its not that i wanted him to do its what i expected,,

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no the reason fos skruff and tom mason twice, was to hopefully get you two to give clearer thoughts on wether or not SC is a good lynch or not.

and yes BM i did it on purpose

FoS: Tubby

Probably the right reaction to alleged hypocrisy, combined with suspected derailing of the SC lynch.

BM

how ya figure??,, i voted for SC on page 71 in post 1761,,
i was attempting but failing epicly at getting tom and skruffs to join. well tom did join but no joy on skruffs i believe when sc comes back scum skuffs is a possible partner.

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still here nuttin 2 say happy with my sc v0te

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awaits another bright idea from bm

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awaits another bright idea from bm

What do you mean by this?

BM

when i replaced in i read the thread i agreed most with his reasoning throughoutg the game,,
So i followed BM's vote like and over eager lapdog,

but now i supposed there isn't any room left on BM's coattails, perhaps i need to think for myself now,,, damn it

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@raider
i understand that it was more of an admission of guilt/laziness on my part for following so blindly. i am currently re-reading to see further connections/ distances

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i'm sorry i was away emergancy tripp,, give me a few to catch up

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i like cyber's case here,,

but what about those we have not heard from,,, killa seven comes to mind,,, and did he even vote last lynch???

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sorry been reading over,, but agian i find myself agreeing with BM i tried i really tried to fight it ,,, ba is a goodlynch


so

vote blackadder

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hmm i am thinkin not so much i am not buying the claim

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personally if i were a doc i would never claim it, i might claim watcher/tracker something anything but doc,,,

to me claiming doc=scum fishing for real doc but thats just me

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yah still no matter the size of the game,,, i doubt i would do it even if i knew there was another doc

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personally if i were a doc i would never claim it, i might claim watcher/tracker something anything but doc,,,

to me claiming doc=scum fishing for real doc but thats just me

Town should

never

very rarely lie. Besides, if I claimed Tracker or Watcher, what would I do for my results? Just claim that I saw nothing every night?

@Caboose: I don't know about K7. That seems like normal play from him.

i was just saying what i would do if i were a doc,, you diddn't have to claim watcher /tracker but with a game this size it would be asy to say you saw nothing and be believeable,,

but a doc claim seems awful lame to me ,,,, on my other site when i was doc i only claimed doc cause we were in a lylo situation if i were lynched that day and i still got lynched even with the doc claim

so yah unless someone else presents themselves as far more scummy u still have my vote

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i am seriously trying to go over it, but i cannot seem to bring myself to unvote you black adder just something doesn't seem right,, not sure what it is i will re-read and perhaps come up with some questions later,,

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hmm,, maybe its just me being paraniod, infact it probably is,,

korts was an Icelandic mafia Doc,
how can we be sure the BA is not the Portuguese mafia doc?

i mean if two of his partners are dead there really isn't a whole lot of use for him now is there? so why wouldn't he claim town doc

ok i am goin to re-read day 2 and 3 and see what i come up with,, i will leave my vote here untill i find some one as scumm and bring an actua case.

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LAL= lynch a lurker???

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No.

are you trying to actively lurk?? or you just don't want to dignify anyone with a true response at this time??


@BM
as fars as killa seven goes ,, i get it lurking bad but why now i mean with every thing else goin on in the game is now the correct time to policy lynch??


@EGL/Lowell
the case on tom i am not getting it at this point perhaps i am simply clueless but if you could explain that would help, i will re-read his post to today to try to see what yuo guys see but as far as right now not getting it.

where did skruffs go?? are just extremely busy with the holiday or simply lost trying to catch up your thoughts??

i am leaving my vote on BA for the moment his claim still doesn't sit well with me but i can't seem to find anyone else to vote based on their scumminess.

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K7 any thoughts??

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That said, springlullaby's uncooperativeness is getting really annoying.

oh and this,,, springlullaby care to respond??

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Picking up from p53

1314- long post by Lowell, explains cass case
1321- cephir votes cass
1322- tom votes cass
1327- non-defense defense by cass [-]
1349- BM votes raider
1367- EGL unvotes, FOSs cass and netlava [-, just picks top 2 vote-getters?]
1414- BM is right about raider flip-flopping for no reason [+]
1425- SC votes netlava
1450- SC unvotes, votes raider
1457- EGL votes raider
1460- cyber questions why netlava wagon keeps getting derailed [+, good point]
1461- raider loses it
1485- netlava 6, cass 4, raider 3
1504- KoC votes netlava [-, too overeager]
1514- korts votes SC for following skruffs
1556- netlava votes citizen karne
1575- Lowell votes netlava for dice roll
1576- cephir does the same
1580- SC unvotes, votes netlava
1607- BM votes netlava
1624- netlava claims swiss town
1629- surye votes netlava
1631- EGL votes netlava, hammers
1636- netlava town, 4 night kills, including 2 diff mafia factions
1648- tom declares himself still alive [-, he doth protest too much]
1667- skruffs calls SC icelanding mafia
1677- Lowell votes sensfan, the new cass
1678- SC votes Lowell for not explaining
1682- BM votes Lowell
1685- Tom thinks Lowell's vote should have been an FOS [-, coaching me????]
1700- skruffs offers scumlist (armlx, SC) [+, good post about likely scum tactics]
1717- tom takes credit for the "cass will be forgotten" idea [- -, again, following]
1724- tom votes skruffs
1736- BM votes SC
1747- armlx votes SC
1748- cyber votes SC
1758- spring votes SC
1761- tubby votes SC
1769- blakadder FOSs SC [-, "keep an eye on him"?]
1770- EGL votes SC for not denying survivor, FOSs tom and BM for buddying [+, good reason]
1777- very odd defense from tom [-]
1806- SC votes BM
1809- tom votes SC, keeps the sens-lurking idea afloat
1814- SC claims swiss town
1844- hasd votes SC for same reasons
1872- blakadder votes SC, lynch-1
1877- cream reenters, calls SC case "acceptable" [-, no hammer?]
1881- citizen karne votes SC, hammers [+, no guts no glory]
1883- blakadder "intends to vote" citizen karne [-, opportunisitc, unnecessary]

Start with

vote TOM

. In hindsight, this guy is a lot more opportunistic than I remember. 1648 is awkward. 1685 is VERY awkward, and looks like he's trying to make a friend. This is compounded in 1717, another parroting post. 1809 looks bad because he's trying to hold on to the sens-as-scum idea while actually derailing it by voting for SC. This looks like he wants plausible deniability when sens turns up scum.

I'll also

FOS blakadder

. 1769 doesn't sit well with me. To not vote for the leading wagon, but to FOS the leading wagon, and then say you want to "keep an eye on" the leading wagon is strange behavior. He's having trouble taking a stand, and I don't like it. Post 1883 is poor, too. He's preparing to vote CK without even waiting for the result of the lynch. Why, if blakadder had already FOSed the leading wagon would he all of a sudden be angry with the lynch? Especially after the claim.

Pro-town points for

Citizen Karne

and

skruffs

. CK's hammer was appropriate, though still gutsy, so he gets points for making the move while others were just hovering around. Skruffs' post in 1700 turned out to be (half) right, and tried to move things in a new direction, which earns him points as well.

i guess its as good as any,,,
i quoted it to save someone else from lookin it up and to make sure i read it right

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i am willing to wait two more real time days to give killa seven time to "catch up" if there is nothing of substance by the end of that period my vote will go to him

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little under 24 hours till i move my vote to killa seven,,

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The answer to all the questions ask to me is, I changed my mind. No you cannot know why.

not helpfull

vote: springlullaby

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Dear BM, why should I claim, am I anywhere near lynch yet?

if my math is right youare at L-3 spring

awaits vote count

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Dammit... I don't know whether I believe SL or not. I'll keep my vote for town.
SL, go ahead and tell us everything that you learned from your role. If you're town, you are a clear choice for a NK tonight.

this doesn't sit well with me

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ok so here is my thoughts on BA

1)

Dammit... I don't know whether I believe SL or not. I'll keep my vote for town.
SL, go ahead and tell us everything that you learned from your role. If you're town, you are a clear choice for a NK tonight.

so if you are a protown doc wouldn't you just protect him?? i mean just a thought here.

2)

could have? hmm. I must admit i'm really curious as to your role now. :p

I didnt attempt to kill Skruffs last night.

BM

Then what did you do to him?

why??

3)

I don't like how scared Caboose is of claiming.
Caboose, are you a variation of a doctor or are you a different role entirely?

asked an answered already,,

so if he is pro town in my eyes he is doin it wrong

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ok so now at this point i am willing to unvote spring however i have issue as to where it should land after that.

any thoughts on scum at this point?

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ok so now at this point i am willing to unvote spring however i have issue as to where it should land after that.

any thoughts on scum at this point?

This kind of post is full of shit, you justify why you still want to vote me then you justify how your vote on me was good in the first place.

no there captian insane-o i am simply leaving my vote there till i find a suitable place to put it ,, trust me i believe your claim. As a matter of fact i believe you more than BA,

I am seriously having doubts about BA

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why do you wanna lynch bm??

because of a failed gambit to prove town roles?

i am just not seing it

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why do you wanna lynch bm??

because of a failed gambit to prove town roles?

i am just not seing it

Personally, I'd be interested to see what you do without someone to follow.

but i like fpollowing bm it has gotten me this far in the game hasn't it?


plus your case or the case on bm is bull,,, so he came up with a plann, so it wasn't well thought ouit, so it has some holes in it does that mean he was tryin to mislead the town? i don't think so i think he had good intentions at its core. i think you should look elsewhere,

i mean you got BA who after his claim as doc has looked more and more scummy with every post. as a matter of fact i'd like to see him lynched cause i don't believe his claim, i think his claim was false and if they ( the people involved with the bm plann) would have followed through with it would have discovered his claim false so with that,,

unvote

vote Black adder

now hows that for following??

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but i like fpollowing bm it has gotten me this far in the game hasn't it?

facepalm.jpg

so i take it thats not the proper gambit to run in large games such as this??

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this game has alot goin,,

two scum groups ,
lots of players,
a doc who i think is scum
an arsonist who burns people
and a possible poisoner


then throw in the mix a bunch of townies

plus you have alot of active players getting killed/lynched

then you had the whole pact anti pact at the beginning of the game now you have a failed pledge between outed power roles

so with all this as a new player and a replacemnet player at that why wouldn't you latch on to someone that has been in the game from the beginning, mind you i am not blindly following bm but what i am doin is tagging along with reach of his coat tails.

did i mention i think ba is scum oh crap i owe him quotes to show his scumminess that will be my next post

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I like BM's plan.

~ this was dec 7th

If the plan was so obviously flawed, why didn't you bring it up when it was relevant?
Regardless,

unvote, vote:BM

because of his plan, and because he seems to be the only remaining person openly denouncing the idea of Mafia poisoners.

~this was dec 15th

so it took you that long from being completely on board with the plan to hating it and voting bm?

vote: Tom Mason

He's getting more suspicious with each post.
@BM: If you've already claimed Cop, why wouldn't you tell us your night results?

why does it matter if he reveals his findings are you getting nervous??

that and to top it all off,, ( wich i know this is the pot callin the kettle black) but your posts are about as worthless as a lurker you post no content no original opinion nothin, your like that kid at a fight thats standing behind the fighters yellin, hey are you gonna let him get away with that, eggin them on.

that and i don't like the fact that every other post you bring up the poisoner thing ,, enough already we know they exsist but dop you have a thought on alignment??

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I'm going to have somewhat limited access starting the 26th. I'll try to post as much as I can.
I still like my vote on BM. Tubby would make a good wagon too.

well carry on with your nonsense i will still be here when you get back, you can wagon all you want but i still think your scum

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i mean to say that if you think that i and bm are scum buddies wich is highly unlikely(reasons to follow) i would be the better lynch
1) because bm is claimed cop and you lynch him and you are wrong you lost the town their cop good job there doc,
2) there is little to no risk in lynching me there by according to you if i flip scum that must mean that bm is scum and you have the next day to lynch him

however lets look at why me and bm being a scum is out wrong,

1)i have been following bm
2)bm has not coached me nor has he even acknowledged that i am even playin this game,
3) there have been two deaths from each faction wich to me its more likely that we are dealing with teams of three any more than that with sk's to me would be bastardly and no way for town to win.

plus your actions do not speak well to your towniness i think it more likely you are scum, just because you claimed a protown role and everyone backed off of you does not give you free licesnse to run amuck and stink up the joint with scummy no content posts,,,

if anyone deserves a wagon its you

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so ba isn't strung up at this point why??

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ahh ok

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long and the short of it i believe ba is a false claim and he is some kind of scum,,

anyone else would have shut up protected bm and waited to see if there qwas a result not make a big deall about his investigations and him not revealing the results,,

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long and the short of it i believe ba is a false claim and he is some kind of scum,,

anyone else would have shut up protected bm and waited to see if there qwas a result not make a big deall about his investigations and him not revealing the results,,

Not that I don't doubt BA at times (believe me I've had my doubts) but your constant buddying with BM really worries me. Sometimes you just take it way too far.

ok its not that i am buddying up with bm as much as i am supporting/following bm

he feels tm should be lynched and i kinda of agree but i feel ba is the better lynch

but there is no sneakyness in my actions i have balanty been stating it openly and never denied my following of bm

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BTW Merry Christmas everyone.

agreed merry yule to all

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so egl are we saying that if i put aside my case for ba and you put aside your case for bm that we would vote for TM??

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so egl are we saying that if i put aside my case for ba and you put aside your case for bm that we would vote for TM??

and if this is true how long would you be willing to wait untill we join the tm wagon,

i just thought perhaps there should be terms as it were

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SOUNDS LIKE TIME FOR A FESTIVE-STYLE TREATY/PACT!!!!!!!!!!!!

hush will you let me do work sheesh some people,,

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@ cabose,
if we follow the current line of thinkin then that would mean, that both scum groups have poisoning as a kill, thus you cannot determine witch group is the poisoning, unless by some type of trickery the poisoner got two kills, or it was simply a failed protection from a doc, i think i read on the mikburnsfire site something about where there is a doc that poisons insteads of saves when he targets,,, its like a failed protect attempt something like that, but at any rate its impossibl;e to tell witch scum group has a poisoner,


i still firmly believe we are lookin for one scum each from both groups

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ok so egl this it what you believe to be true: (please correct me if i am wrong)

there are two poisoners,

both poisoners must be Portuguese.

ba is believeable because he targeted hascow and hascow diddn't die until the nite after


if that were the case then would you estimate then that each scum team has a total of four members?

and it seems rather contra dictory if poison is a portuguese method then why would both of their poisoner's actak the same individual? and if there are two then it certianly doesn't make sense that would be on the same team correct? wich means poisoning cannot solely be a portuguese method correct?

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in the game where i was scum, (see xyl's relative chaos in theme park) i did all the killing but my partner sent it in

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true

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because only somethings were different but it played like a normal game it only had like maybe one or two roles that were different from traditional mafia here on ms thats why

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what post?? no i missed it i'll look for it i assume it wasn't to long ago?

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ok yah i just found it,

i figured it was a you and bm thing,

i just don't like how there were two poison kills and just because there is a poisonous fish from portugal that it has to be Portuguese mafia, i see nothing of were you can explain the two kills, however i understand your point about the dismemberment and drowning and arson,

since both port scum were killed by either dismemberment or drowning
and since we have a firefighter it can't be arson,

and bm screwed all that up and is unyeilding in finding his own fault,, is that about it??

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so ok one of the poison kills has to be port kill correct?

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so both poisoners are on the same team or different teams?

cause if the poison is definately port wich fits, is there like an icelandic poisonous penguin or something??

and if both groups have poisoner's then that would make it two sk groups, correct?

wich would mean there is another doc,

its like this, fire fighter fixes arsonist, psychologist fixes serial killer

or

ba or another doc could be insane and be killing their targets ( as explained by egl)

or am i still a clueless wonder?

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well if i am right then you won't be around tomorrow do i guess so

lets lynch ba and be done with it

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oops

do=so

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you cyberbob

@EGL: What I meant was, it would be very easy for me to notice if I was a CPR Doc. If everyone I'm protecting is suddenly dropping dead, I would notice. It would be just too much coincidence for me to just be a Quack and my protect targets still be targeted.
Review, as requested by EGL. I protected Hasdgfas N2, and Cyberbob N3.

ba "protected hasdgfas n2 he died n3 if he is a quack then you die n4

at least thats what i think

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Say... do you guys think you could talk about lynch targets?

Gladly. Either BM or Tubby needs to die as soon as possible. At this point, I'm fine with either.

like i said before if you believe my self and bm are linked,/scum partners what have you, it would be best if you lynch me first since bm claimed cop but hey what do i know

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you cyberbob

@EGL: What I meant was, it would be very easy for me to notice if I was a CPR Doc. If everyone I'm protecting is suddenly dropping dead, I would notice. It would be just too much coincidence for me to just be a Quack and my protect targets still be targeted.
Review, as requested by EGL. I protected Hasdgfas N2, and Cyberbob N3.

ba "protected hasdgfas n2 he died n3 if he is a quack then you die n4

at least thats what i think

ok cyberbob look
black adder "protected"/"targeted" you nite 3
if my theory is correct then you will die nite 4,
today is day four so that would mean tonite you die

because black adder protected/targeted hasfgdas nite 2 and hasfdgas died nite 3


make sense?

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Kind of. If I die of poisoning tonight I would certainly suspect BA, but at this point we only have the one occurrence - not enough for me to totally buy into the idea of him being a poisoner on its own.

if i am right you are not gonna suspect anyone you'll be dead and therfore no use to us anymore

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oh come on i thought it was funny

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@ lowell see thats what i was trying to tell him perhaps he'll listen to you since logic escapes him

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well then post your case so i can respond,

all i wanted you to do was acknowledge that i posted it and tell me why you would rather vote for bm over me?

it doesn't make sense to me so now you can play the game

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and just because other people aren't voting me is not a good reason, only scum vote that way

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ok here is what i think

i believe that the case on bm is scum driven

why else would you be willing to lynch a claimed cop? especially if there are no counter claims?

they way i see it whats the harm in letting him live another day if he doesn't have any results to share tomorrow then by all means lynch him, if he lives through the nite.

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i doubt it

doc is a far easier claim to be faked as far as scum fake claims goes.

i am just not interested in having a claimed power role lynched ( accept for ba) and with the tracker/watcher people out there its not that hard of a claim to fake,

plus since i assume he won't be protected tonite since ba doesn't believe his claim he is a likely scum target anyway


so rather than have the town lose their cop i'd rather have them lynch me.

why are you so excited to see him lynched??

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I believe bm's claim to be valid,

agian i am pretty sure that we are dealing with three person scum team teams

plus bm hasn't done anything truly scummy other that not release his results from his investigations,

wich could mean he diddn't find out anything new( i e all the people he has investigated have been either nk'd or lynched.

plus ba is the better lynch anyway

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Also I would like to note that, at this time, the only thing we can absolutely certain of in terms of killing models for the game is that Portuguese uses poisoning as a kill method.

lol

but bm theres this really super poisonous fish and it comes from portugal so it has to be them!!!!

plus none of their peeps died from poisoning so it has to be them,,,

now if we only knew who there were??? (*ponders this awhile*)

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no i have been questioning it from the beginning but i also think BA is the poisoner and needs to be lynched

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btw happy new years all and may all of your hangovers be light in the morning

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no i have been questioning it from the beginning but i also think BA is the poisoner and needs to be lynched

Chrissake, tubby. No matter what we are talking about, you always try to move discussion back to your non-existant case on me. Stop tunneling and focus on the matter at hand.

stop getting so upset about it when i mention it and i will. Why do you feel the need defend yourself from me? why do you feel that my meesly lil vote on you carry's any weight?

as far as the matter at hand we have talked it to death, pending bm revealing his results there is nothing new to talk about.

so in other words like most rashes ignore me and i will go away, keep scratching me and i only become inflamed and worsen, sheesh

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If my vote carries no weight, why do you want it off of BM so badly?

no your vote, it was my vote i was speaking of i am sorry i may have mistyped that.

but wanted i wanted you and everyone else to see that lynching a claimed power role the same its claimed is not pro-town, and since only you and egl were posting at the time and i already think your scum i focused on you fair enough?

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no= not btw

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Fair enough.

You're

I'm still scum though.

fixed that for you. I know thats what you meantt to say

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because i said so stop confusing the facts with the issue!!!!!


that and in my opinion a town doc would not be one of the people trying to lynch the claimed cop.( if the town doc would ever out right claim)
plus he stated he didn't want to move his vote because not enough people would vote for me, amongst other scummy actions.

[tubby216]

but ba targeted hasfgdas nite 2 and he died nite 3 so should we look at that too egl??

or does he gat a pass cause he claimed doc?

[tubby216]

Because I say it is not.

you are doin that thing agian,

but sure i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.


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btw i appologize for mt absence sick kids

[tubby216]

i am back now

[tubby216]

yah i am here as well,
still not buying the case on bm, so my vote can sit where it is for now

[tubby216]

yah still not wanting to lynch BM

[tubby216]

ok so is there anything else to talk about other than BM and tom??

[tubby216]

i don't know ba thats why i was askin

[tubby216]

Yeah but the case on him is mostly that he is under suspicion of being poisoner, which I could verify in case he is not lying and is indeed cop.

There is also the fact that he is uncounterclaimed.

lol 1 valid post, accompanied by a whole lot of krap-logick.

Cant even be bothered with this. The only thing holding me back is, i guarantee, despite the obvious reasoning behind it, i will almost certainly get shit for this, when you guys string me up anyway.

I'm the poisoner. tada!

sorry i havent been able to follow through with this game lately.

BM

say it isn't so

i think i just died a lil on the inside

[tubby216]

^qft

[tubby216]

@ Tubby and Cyberbob - given BM has just admitted to fakeclaiming Cop, why haven't you switched your votes over to him?

because i don't want to

[tubby216]

i expect you to say "wow i didn't see that coming" tomorrow

[tubby216]

hmm ok then i will wait for the results of your lynch then bm,

and no i am not going to vote for bm, sorry just "not gonna doit"(*use best george bush the first voice here*)

[tubby216]

hmm ok then i will wait for the results of your lynch then bm,

and no i am not going to vote for bm, sorry just "not gonna doit"(*use best george bush the first voice here*)

Do not be surprised when we come after you with torches tomorrow.

He lied about being the cop... You could care less. He is proposing flawed logic (pointed out by EGL) about being the poisoner.

Why did he have to draw all of this out over the last few weeks? He had no defense.

I will be very interested to see how you formulate an opinion without BM in the game.

i'd be very interested to see if you live through the nite, how about that, and i have my own opinion. i am my own person, and you wanna know how i know???

BM told me so thats how!

[tubby216]

and another thing,

lieing is not not always anti town. there is some thing the town should simply not be told because it can be easily lead astray/twisted by the scum.

for instance if i were a doc, i would not claim it i would claim something like townie or some trash like that,

if i were a pro-town poisoner i would have fake claimed cop or watcher or tracker something that makes a nite action.

so yah come after me with your silly little torches and your hangmans noose, but i bet i find the remaining scum before you lynch me

[tubby216]

BM told me so thats how!

Where? In scumchat?

no silly re-read the game thread

[tubby216]

oh but like i have been saying for awhile now,

there are no more scum pairs left.

It is more likely that there is one scum member left from each scum cell.

because that would make it three to a side anything more than that would make the game unbalanced and unfair, sheesh simple math people figure it out

[tubby216]

thanks for insulting me that helps you out alot.

i am sure there is only one scum left from each scum cell


but why don't we try this on for size,

we lynch someone other than bm, and direct bm on who he should target if he is pro town that would be like givin us two lynches, correct?

i mean what is the worse that could happen?

[tubby216]

:EBWOP:

that ladst post is directed at Tom btw

[tubby216]

BM will you please just hammer yourself?

no self hammers are wrong and go agianst your win condition, this is not at all accepptable behavior,

i know because i self hammered in my first game on this site and i got the self hammering speach and now it is my pleasure to bring it to you

[tubby216]

ROFL YOU SILLY, RETARDED, BRITISH GIT.

In which plane of reality is this at all appropriate?

In no plane of reality. But neither is him calling people idiots or saying they're stupid.

wich is the same think tom did to me, wich is the same thing i did to BA ( wich i appologized for)

[tubby216]

yah aboout that I'm thinkin no so much there egl

[tubby216]

no self hammer ever

[tubby216]

egl,

for a) it would be a far better win and a bigger ego boast for the jester if he got everyone to vote him with out the self hammer


b) yah still no there is always someone willing to hammer


you should never have to hammer yourself,

[tubby216]

because i said so,,, and what praytell does all this have to do with the on going game?



so basically what your saying is i can't get you to unvote bm huh

[tubby216]

ok fine, but don't expect a chriastmas card from me next year

[tubby216]

At any rate there's probably only one thing you could say right now to get me to unvote for BM.

would that be,

1) i admitt to being scum?

2) i know exactly who the last two scum are?


(p.s. about the card thing don't feel bad i diddn't send my own mother a card this year)

[tubby216]

basically i do not like the self hammer move its bad, egl decided that at times it is a good play, we disscussed it tward the end of it i was treyin to see if i could run a rabbit season /duck season gambit but it diddn't work,

i know there are only 1 scum left per cell,

i believe that BM is pro town,

i know that i am not scum

i know that tward the end of this day it has been played with alot of emotion


so in conclusion

i believe bm is a bad lynch for today,

i do not like the way tom is actiing but that just because he called me stupid

i think likely suspects are EGL,Citizen Carne, Lowell,

i don't like BA's play, after his claim and prior to bm's claim doesn't sit well with me at all.

i don't like k7's lurk and live but its consistant with how he has played in other games i have been in with him

[tubby216]

@ba- because i know, and inbetween playin this game like a moron i read the thread and picked up on the clues thats how.

@raider- then it looks like we will wait then

[tubby216]

Hmm not likeing bm lying about his role, but i have seen him do this before as town in mafia 75.

so do you think he should get lynched for it??

and who would be your list of main suspects?

[tubby216]

true very true not a whole lot i can do about it

[tubby216]

Yeah, BM really needs to be dead. I find it unlikely you were trying to draw a NK. More likely a night protection.

how about both?

BM

there by nullifying any nite action by the scum,,, no action by scum =protown

the real cop doesn't get found out and stays safe, especially since our town doc has claimed and is more likely a target as well

[tubby216]

so you want bm lynched?

because he lied?

because he is a poisoner?

because you think he is scum?

[tubby216]

yah but with the amount of watchers/trackers the likelihood of an actual cop and a sane one at that is pretty low. so it was a pretty safe play. Also with so much discussion about the poisoner and who it is aligned with and whether or not its delayed, I would have lied too. I just don't see his role and him as anti-town. and i think it far more important to find scum. Now i have been busting BA's hump for awhile now. and he has handled it fairly well like thats exactly how i would act if i claimed and some dummy wouldn't believe me. I Just find it so odd that with everyone left in this game the focus is on BM.

[tubby216]

unvote

i would like to hear more from the likes of

citizen karne
surye(who is probably getting replaced)
k7

i think these people have a lot to prove and or are a better lynch than bm at least bm is active and productive in hunting scum when.

I think this game will be seriously quiet if not abandoned altogehter if he is lynched. cause we will have almost as many lurkers and actives and it will turn into a disscussion peice between me, egl, and BA. with occasional comments by lowell,spring,and caboose

[tubby216]

@TM See above, and have you read anything i said post BM's claim??

[tubby216]

damn it raider i am sorry i knew i was leaving someone out, but you get my point right?

[tubby216]

well if i had a nickle for every game that was lookin for replacements i'd be rich

[tubby216]

so my vote goes to surye

vote surye

[tubby216]

ba, i truly do not believe that is the vest play, so no i won't hammer bm

[tubby216]

so bm you want just to hammer you and move into night at this point?

[tubby216]

so bm you want just to hammer you and move into night at this point?

not really. But if you felt it would lend more weight to my comments, i wouldnt mind. At this point, i'm happy to sit tight and hope i can cruise out the rest of the day- as will you be, if you genuinely believe my claim.

I also think it is probably in my best interests to blow up this thread as much as possible in the meantime. What do you reckon?

BM

well i don't want to but will if you request it.

but with all the attention on you i am pretty sure that the remaining scum will simply lurk through the end of the game and allow us to talk in circles.

so its either one of two things

1)either the remaining scum are already on your wagon

or

2) the remaining scum are lurking and don't want to hammer because of the exposure it will bring

[tubby216]

probably, it seems we disscussed flavour at length concerning your role. (i.e. that whole fish story thing)

so yah

[tubby216]

i really don't like your tone there tom

[tubby216]

so if you vig tom, who should we lynch are you stickin with the lowell thing??

[tubby216]

ok well i have might as well side all the way up with yah

unvote vote lowell

[tubby216]

But if you're scum, aren't we just giving you another day to kill someone ELSE?

thats the point bm is not scum

[tubby216]

or you for that matter since you are scum too right??

so why keep you alive?

[tubby216]

What is better, a town-lynch, or a No-Lynch? What about if you consider that the town-lynch is a Vig? In effect, we still have a lynch. Just it gets decided without scum input. Personally id put faith in my own scumhunting, over the majority of you guys (or, not majority, as it were. xD).

Admittedly, my kill is delayed, but it cant be stopped by docs from what im aware, so it WILL happen.

Tom, if i didnt kill you tonight, youd just try and string me up tomorrow, right? When some of the deadweight lurkers have been NKed ofc. So where's my incentive to let you live?

I think ive proved that if you want to extend your life, you CAN.

Also, who's the tracker/watcher again? Are we making sure that they check on my target?

BM

You are a riot... Because you have no problem targeting and poison killing townies... But it is wrong to lynch you

because you say you are a townie.

If you are killing me, then you only acknowledge the fact that my suspicions of you are a threat to you -- not the town. And if you were on the side of the town, you would be more inclined to target someone whom you have accused time and time again and pointed fingers at during this charade.

And your endless trail of lies continues to be made as you NOW say your kill could be delayed. Before it could not... Now it could. And now it cannot be stopped by a doctor? I find that VERY unlikely. Next thing I know, you are going to say you could not be role blocked either.

Earlier in the game you discussed flavor and balance of roles for each side... How balanced is a killing role that cannot be stopped or possibly roleblocked?

This is all nonsense.

To those of you sitting here playing the part of lap-dog to BM, you should be ashamed.

hush

[tubby216]

still not hammering, still believe bm alive is better than bm lynched

[tubby216]

i say tom, i really don't like his tone,

[tubby216]

Vote: Battlemage

Until I catch up or find a reason not to.
No I do nto know what is going on since I have been absent.

so putting bm back to l-1 is a good move "while you catch up"?????

seriously??

[tubby216]

pretty much everyone is convince bm is scum and want him dead,, (except me )

the only surprise is no response from egl unless he simply gott bored and is awaiting the hammer,

but cyber bob already said he would hammer so i suspose that bm will be lynch here shortly much to my dismay, wich means if i survive the nite i'm next for the gallows tomorrow

[tubby216]

pretty much everyone is convince bm is scum and want him dead,, (except me )

I would rather that he not be lynched today on account of his promise to poison Tom tonight, but I'm not so fanatical that I would let today end in No Lynch.

Might as well hammer now and get it over with.

Unvote, Vote: Battle Mage

this is a mistake and will be regretted,,

[tubby216]

this is a mistake and will be regretted,,

How do you "know" this is a mistake. Do you 100% know something we do not?

does it matter??

i have been sayin its a mistake since the wagon began why in the heck should you guys change your minds now that he has been hammered??

a lil late now dontcha think??

[tubby216]

no i am not implying anything ,,

[tubby216]

Thank you so much, Cyberbob. It's good to see a couple of people with sense in this game.
Also, tubby, you're only reinforcing my thoughts of lynching you tomorrow.

it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong,,, lol

[tubby216]

no i am not implying anything ,,

Good. If you were I think my brain would explode.

sorry for the almost accisdental explosion

[tubby216]

Out of interest tubby, is your full stop key broken or something?

huh?? what is this of wich you speak?

[tubby216]

hmm ok i am guessing yes it is broken, i need to get in touch with my sysadmin to have that taken care of

[tubby216]

no problem much love.

[tubby216]

whats with all the remorse and half assed back tracking now??? you guys wanted him lynched and now he is. It seems like crying over spilt milk now.

@ Bm all i can say for 100% certianty is that you are not nor have you ever been icelandic mafia scum. I believe your claim of being protown. I have balantly been buddying up to you. I fully expect to be lynch tomorrow unless some type badness happens to me tonite. I hope you can replace back in hopefully then you can exact your revenge for me trying to help you.

[tubby216]

wow

[tubby216]

@ egl because i knew thats why, i also know that you are not and i am not,

as far as the no cremation kill it might have something to do with the firefighter finding the arsonist there by curing him and they both are pure townies now,, or the arsonist simply missed the deadline

[tubby216]

out of all the suspicious things i have done in this game you pick that one quote?

[tubby216]

because i am the Croatian gypsy i had a one shot ability to consult my mystical tarot cards and they would give me one major clue to the game i used it. The cards told me that bm,ba,and egl were not icelandic mafia. But for the rest of you i have no clue.

[tubby216]

well here is what i know,


1) i have no kill ability - so none of the kills are by my hands
2) i am aligned to myself, i win if i make it to endgame, wether the scum are left or town is left


so i am not anti town as much as i am pro-me

[tubby216]

and yes i know "omg lets lynch this guy because he's different".

I can cause no harm to anyone, so the only benefit in lynching me is watching the scum press for it

[tubby216]

^ see spoken like scum good job way to out yourself there hero

[tubby216]

Survivors should be lynched on sight, IMO, as there is no way to prove they are just survivors and their lynch in no way harms the town. Especially seeing as he's given us all the information he supposedly "has", I see no reason not to lynch him at this point. Roll out the votes so that I can hammer.

wrong survivors are no threat to the town. in fact even though they are self aligned they are pro town because if they are not lynched it forces scum waste a kill on them.

As for you hammering skills you may want to take a refresher course. I mean where the hell were you yesterday when everyone wanted bm lynched and bm hung out for like 2 weeks at l-1?

btw to the town told you so! The cards never lie.

[tubby216]

What is the purpose of your investigative ability then if you are a survivor.

it wasn't investigative.

here is how it works. I pm the mod " hey i want to consult the card tonite"

mod sends back a reply, in it he stated that bm,ba,egl are not icelandic mafia

[tubby216]

That being said, I wouldn't oppose a Tubby lynch later in the day phase. I just think we shouldn't rush through it without finding out about some other things first.

thats what i am saying,

i don't mind being lynched. hell i expect just from my actions yesterday. However i would not want to go to the gallows without talking about other things.


like what happened to the cremation? was it blocked? who did ba protect last nite?

there is alot of work to be done today before i become and overgrown wind chime.

[tubby216]

i think its

lowell or tom for port scum

and k7 or caboose for ice scum


but thats just me

[tubby216]

yup, or at least i thought so anyway

[tubby216]

Also I'd love to hammer tubby or Tom if I get the chance, especially seeing as I've been denied the opportunity to hammer so far in this game.

I do recall you have very ample opportunity to hammer BM last day phase.

qft

[tubby216]

CK doesn't like to hammer. He likes to talk about liking to hammer.

Can someone tell me why they're not voting for the guy who claimed scum?

I intend to vote Tubby later in the phase. I just want to try to figure out who other non-town people are first.

thats what i am saying,, only scum would want a quick hammer now.

F.O.S.

Lowell

[tubby216]

oh and another thing i am not scum i am a survivor. I am not anti-town, I am pro-me

diddn't i already say that once before? can we move on now?:roll:

[tubby216]

i'm fairly positive that sl is protown.

cause being a watcher doesn't fit with being port scum, and it really doesn't make sense if you look at the ice scum.

so here is the deal caboose, either sl is a town watcher, or sl is completely lying.

I am inclined to believe SL is town

[tubby216]

^ is that directed at me?

[tubby216]

it just seems that there would be a pro-town watcher,

port already had a watcher and a tracker,, why would the need two? and ice doesn't seem to fit if anything i would be willing to wager that the ice has a scum cop {there is that right? a scum aligned cop type role??}

[tubby216]

well sl said that no one targeted me last, unless i was actually targeted by someone that would be the only to prove sl false.

sl is mostly likely town due to the fact we have had scum power roles of, watcher,tracker, and doc. we only have one town doc, one town cop so i would assume that we have a town tracker and and town watcher as well

but hey its just what i think

[tubby216]

yah i am ready to get lynched i am a sucky survivor lol

[tubby216]

well not for nuthin since i is the guy with his neck in the noose about to drop,,

here is where you need too look,,

i believe CK is scum

just believe me about who is not scum ,,,

and with that i bid you all a fond farewell

[tubby216]

did anyone tell skitzer i am dead?? i would like to pass on to the great beyond now

[tubby216]

wouldn't it suck for ck if i was actually a vengeful swiss townie?
and i did all of this knowing bm would most likely be lynched and since i buddied up so close to him that I would be the likely lynch the following day? And I took into account how upset he was that he missed the bm hammer so i knew he would be chomping at the bit to lynch me? man that would so suck for ck.

[tubby216]

since we're killin time i just figured i'd mention it.

[tubby216]

i know it would be frickin sweet.

[tubby216]

thats what i am sayin would I? or wouldn't I? thats al lil WIFOM for ya

[tubby216]

btw i will replace back in if mod allows it i have a few open slots

[tubby216]

btw i will replace back in if mod allows it i have a few open slots

Er, I'd prefer it if you didn't. Nothing against you personally; I don't like people replacing into games they've already been in as a rule.

no i totally understand it get confusing, but i just really would like to help move this game along as best i can, but i doubt i will be allowed bm made the same offer and he diddn't replace back in either

[tubby216]

i guess the hangman fell alseep or perhaps retire??

perhaps i get a pardon??

[tubby216]

Is Farside our backup mod?

it says so on page 1

[tubby216]

thats what i thought when i relaced into this game ,, since two out tof the three mafia were already dead,, atleast i did a good job of covering for killa seven,

[tubby216]

yah but it was alot of fun while it lasted,, i guess since i was scum aligned no nom for a scummy for me from bm ::(

[tubby216]

good job guys, just to clear it up, i killed springullabby and the kill should have been drowned not shot, funny me and lowell killed eachother.
tubby after you died i went back and read your posts and seen you covering for me lol.

i enjoyed this game alot.

your welcome one love brother,,

i was hoping you you had some sort of recruit ability oh wells i thought i was being blatant about it