Mafia 85 - Murder at the Bus Stop (game over)

[BlakAdder]

Okay, I'm here. I've reread already.
Regarding the lurker issue, lynching lurkers is okay, depending on the circumstance. Most of the time, I'm good with it.
In other news,

vote: Cream147

. She seems to be trying to get the town to lynch lurkers, but she doesn't want to go against the town's wishes so she invents the "I don't want them lynched, I want them pressured" excuse.

[BlakAdder]

@Cream: That's what I'm saying. I'm good with lynching lurkers. You're the one that's being wishy-washy about it.
@Surye: I'm sorry, but I disagree. Now that we've discussed it openly in the thread, lurkers, particularly scum lurkers, are going to be less willing to stick their heads back into the game.

[BlakAdder]

unvote

. Thinking again, I don't know whether Cream or Sir Tornado is scummier at this point. I'll let more stuff unfold before a cast my vote again.
@Surye: No, I was just trying to support my point. I realized now that I did a very bad job writing that. The point I was trying to make was that it is even more important to put the threat of an actual lynch on the lurkers to get them talking, due to the fact that we have now discussed it in the thread.

[BlakAdder]

Eh, fair enough. I'll

unvote

for now, but I've still got my eye on you.

[BlakAdder]

vote: Sir Tornado

He's had a decent number of posts so far, but he's said relatively nothing. Half of your posts are pointless questions that are meant soly to make people look scummy, and the other half are just dodging questions that people have asked you.

[BlakAdder]

Also, armlx, care to specify why you're voting him?

Mod edit
Votecount:
Wall-E (2): Mana_Ku, farside22
Alabaska J (2): fouxdufafa, armlx
farside22 (2): Sir Tornado, Alabaska J
Sir Tornado (2): Moratorium, BlakAdder
fouxdufafa (1): Slicey
Cream147 (1): Empking
Empking (1): RestFermata
Slicey (1): Wall-E
farside22 (1): martin413
RestFermata (1): Riceballtail
Surye (1): Demon Pineapple

Not voting (10): Xtoxm, al4xz, Azuma, Surye, Shanba, Cream147, Jebus, Slepz, DynamoXI, Megatheory

[BlakAdder]

@farside: Not really. He dodged most of the questions, and the ones he did answer he still kind of beat around the bush, being rather vague doing so.
@armlx: Thank you.
@Tornado: Was there any reason behind your vote beside responding to Empking's question?

[BlakAdder]

Well, really, I was thanking you for responding to my question. I didn't see that you had unvoted until after I posted.

[BlakAdder]

Dodging the issue yet again. You start to go under fire and you try to change the subject to something that totally doesn't matter.
@armlx: Explain, please.

[BlakAdder]

Dude, is it physically impossible for you to just directly answer a question? There's no reason to quote a post and tell us to figure it out (even though this one is pretty obvious). Quit beating around the bush and answer us.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Sir Tornado (3): Moratorium, BlakAdder, Surye
Empking (2): RestFermata, Sir Tornado
Surye (2): Demon Pineapple, farside22
fouxdufafa (1): Slicey
Wall-E (1): Mana_Ku
Cream147 (1): Empking
Slicey (1): Wall-E
Alabaska J (1): fouxdufafa
farside22 (1): martin413
RestFermata (1): Riceballtail
farside22 (1): Alabaska J

Not voting (10): Xtoxm, al4xz, Azuma, Shanba, Cream147, Jebus, Slepz, DynamoXI, Megatheory, armlx

[BlakAdder]

@Tornado: Yes, I get it, which I quite clearly stated, but you're missing the point. Just answer instead of trying to disguise your answer in quotes.
@Shanba: Care to explain your vote?

[BlakAdder]

@Tornado: Yes, I get it, which I quite clearly stated, but you're missing the point. Just answer instead of trying to disguise your answer in quotes.
@Shanba: Care to explain your vote?

No.

Why should I explain it?quote]
Explaining your vote is common practice, unless you're scum looking to get a quick mislynch. Simply saying "just go back and look" isn't good enough. What do you find scummy about me?

[BlakAdder]

The way you've phrased it, Shanba, it seems like you're trying to get people to look back and find scummy things about my posts. That's the only thing I don't like about it.

[BlakAdder]

And now, we're on to our next logical fallacy, leading questions. A better way to have put it would have been that you want people to go back and misinterpret things in my posts as scummy. By now it's pretty obvious that you were just voting to get a reaction from me. Also, Tornado, why did you feel the need to jump in and answer my question for Shanba?

[BlakAdder]

I don't know if Tornado's dodging questions can be considered a logical fallacy, but that would be what I was reffering to. Also, you're just compounding the problem by answering a question directed at Tornado. Also, yes, sometimes people are that easily manipulated and sometimes scum are that desperate.

[BlakAdder]

Really? Really, Tornado?
You answer a question from me directed towards Shanba in post 201, and she does the same thing, even if it only was a sarcastic joke, in post 203.

[BlakAdder]

Okay, I misphrased that, but you also ignored what I said. Look at post 201. You don't per se answer a question I asked there, but you do respond for Shanba.

[BlakAdder]

Fine, I'll answer your question right here:
I don't want people looking back and finding scummy things in my posts because people will think I'm scum and I will be lynched. There, I answered it in one sentence, hemming and hawing for a paragraph.
Also, how is that not responding for Shanba?

[BlakAdder]

Regarding point A:

The way you've phrased it, Shanba, it seems like you're trying to get people to look back and find scummy things about my posts. That's the only thing I don't like about it.

I thought I had made it pretty clear that it was directed at Shanba.
Regarding point B:
That doesn't change anything. Why would you repeat exactly what Shanba said if you saw that he already responded?

[BlakAdder]

What question of yours have I not answered?

[BlakAdder]

Right.
Answering your question, you did no such thing. You just repeated what Shanba said in slightly different words.

[BlakAdder]

I hope you're being sarcastic, Wall-E.

Mod edit
Votecount:
BlakAdder (3): Shanba, Alabaska J, Sir Tornado
Sir Tornado (2): Moratorium, BlakAdder
Surye (2): Demon Pineapple, farside22
Empking (1): RestFermata
Wall-E (1): Mana_Ku
Cream147 (1): Empking
Slicey (1): Wall-E
farside22 (1): martin413
RestFermata (1): Riceballtail
armlx (1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1): fouxdufafa
Megatheory (1): armlx

Not voting (9): al4xz, Azuma, Cream147, Jebus, Slepz, DynamoXI, Megatheory, Surye, Slicey

[BlakAdder]

Sorry I've been gone for so long, school's been a bitch.

vote: Slicey

for the same reasons as everyone else.

[BlakAdder]

Agreed. I'm for option A.

[BlakAdder]

Just from the flavor, I'm willing to bet that we have a mafia group and an SK. Shooting someone sounds like Mafia MO, while knifing is likely SK, although there's a chance it could be a vig. I have to go now, but I'll be back soon with a more in-depth analysis.

[BlakAdder]

Okay, here's a PBPA of Moratorium:

1. Confirmation post
2. Votes megatheory for starting lurker discussion
3. Makes pointless Matlock comment
4. Responds to Shanba
5. Attacks Sir Tornado for criticizing a random vote, downgrades vote on megatheory to a fos. votes Sir Tornado
6. Responds to megatheory’s claim that he just attacked him for starting discussion
7. Agrees with Shanba’s comment that megatheory’s case is conjecture, but claims he’s willing to let it go. Attacks Sir Tornado for dodging questions
8. Quotes Sir Tornado’s Empking vote, but adds not comment
9. Attacks Surye for strawmanning the lurker conversation
10. Questions Sir Tornado’s self-meta
11. Asks if armlx and xtoxm are married
12. Makes pbpa with no analysis
13. Answers wall-e’s question as to who he called out
14. Claims he doesn’t have time to make the actual analysis of his pbpa
15. Responds to Sir Tornado’s and Farside22’s comments on his pbpa
16. Tells Sir Tornado he has no analysis on the players’ posts
17. Says he looks forward to Sir Tornado’s analysis
18. Looks back on the pbpa, and designates players “for” and “against” lynching lurkers, pressuring lurkers, and pbpa’s with no analysis. Points out that several players are lurking. Unvotes Sir Tornado.
19. Addresses that he made mistakes in the above post’s analysis. Says in hindsight that said post will probably make him a prime NK target.
20. Asks Sir Tornado to clarify his Surye vote.
21. Addresses Shanba’s question as to if we are going to ask everyone to clarify their votes. Asks Shanba to clarify his Slicey vote.
22. Responds to Farside’s comments on Sir Tornado’s Surye vote.
23. Votes Slicey. Claims he was going to wait for a defense, but did not think we were going to get one.
24. Asks Slicey to claim.
25. Says he hopes Slicey has “some fucked-up crazy roleclaim.”
26. Quotes the most recent votecount, showing that Slicey is nowhere near L-1.
27. Asks for a votecount.
28. Says that he really wants a votecount to see who has and has not voted.
29. Says Wall-E’s posts are “pretty damning as Devil’s Advocate”.
30. Says he wants an actual defense.
31. Asks Azuma what he is confused about.
32. Bumps the topic
33. Reminds everyone the deadline is in 90 minutes.

Judging from this by itself, the person who would have wanted Moratorium dead the most would have been Sir Tornado, but he's dead. Sir T's death kind of removes my suspicion of Shanba as well, since I was mostly suspicious of them because they seemed to be buddying up. The only person I can think of would be Megatheory, but I have seen nothing scummy from him so far, except possibly starting the lurker discussion. For the time being,

IGMEOY

Megatheory.

[BlakAdder]

I'm still here. Muerrto, I appreciate the effort put into your summary post, except for the fact that most of it is fluff and stuff that has already been said.
In other news, I don't really like the Surye wagon. The case itself is kinda weak, and his defenses have been rock solid. I'd rather

vote: Cream147

for not posting much, and what he does post is rather scummy.

[BlakAdder]

There are too many people absent from this game, and I don't feel like attacking anyone who's active right now.

Vote K7

the point is to hunt scum, the whole not wanting to attack active people is dumb, if they look scummy you should go after them, this seems like a lazy ass vote to me.

Fine talk coming from a chronic lurker. Besides that, this just seems like an OMGUS without the vote.

[BlakAdder]

There are too many people absent from this game, and I don't feel like attacking anyone who's active right now.

Vote K7

the point is to hunt scum, the whole not wanting to attack active people is dumb, if they look scummy you should go after them, this seems like a lazy ass vote to me.

Fine talk coming from a chronic lurker. Besides that, this just seems like an OMGUS without the vote.

It's not omgus, me and x go threw this alot, when he cant make a case on someone he votes me and calls it lurker vote, x has never played with me as scum, in fact we have been lovers in another game and we night talked and knows exactly how i play.

But tell me him saying "i dont want to vote for someone active" doesnt sound like i dont feel like making a case but im tryna look active.

Okay, this makes since.

[BlakAdder]

I like the case on Killa Seven. Now that the fact that Cream had announced being V/LA beforehand was brought up, I'm willing to overlook his lurking. I'd still like him to give his opinion on the Slicey wagon, though. So, I'll

unvote, vote: Killa Seven

. While I'm at it,

fos: Muerrto

for his bad defense of of K7.

[BlakAdder]

I think he was saying you failed because of your accusation, not because of the misylnch. Besides, even if you are right, that seems like a stretch to me.

[BlakAdder]

wtf. Seriously, xtoxm? Your case was crap to begin with, and at first I thought you were doing it to get reactions, but to carry it this far cannot be town play.

vote: xtoxm

Mod edit
Votecount:
Xtoxm (5): Alabaska J, kuribo, Wall-E, Surye, BlakAdder
Alabaska J (1): Jebus
Surye (1): springlullaby
kuribo (1): Xtoxm

Not voting (11): Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, al4xz, farside22, armlx, Cream147, Riceballtail, Muerrto

With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch.

[BlakAdder]

Armlx is right.

fos: Wall-E

.

[BlakAdder]

I don't know. That seems more like a lie intended to cover your ass than a mistake. I don't think it's worth my vote yet, but IGMEOY.

[BlakAdder]

I wouldn't say that he got out of a wagon, it's just that the back-and-forth between him and Kuribo got interrupted by other conversations and Wall-E's possible scum slip. I know I still suspect him.

[BlakAdder]

Wall-E, you have not given a straight answer yet. You've just quoted what Al4xz said, which did not make much sense to begin with.

unvote, vote: Wall-E

and

fos: Al4xz

[BlakAdder]

Meh. Looking at Wall-e's explanation but itself, I don't know whether to buy it or not. However, with Al4xz's defense, it makes it more suspicious, so my vote will stand for now.

[BlakAdder]

Okay, screw this. My scumdar just overloaded. I'm going to insist that we either lynch Wall-E or Al4xz today.
We get it. You thought we had purposefully lynched the doc. You still have not explained where you saw his doc claim beforehand (except for the obviously slapped-together excuse involving xtoxm's soft claim). Al4xz has not explained why he defended you, and you have not explained why you simply quoted him and let it go.

[BlakAdder]

Just quit while you're behind.

[BlakAdder]

That's not WIFOM at all. Your throwing that term around when it doesn't even apply is very suspicious.

I thought I made it clear I didn't know how to use the term.

Read its wiki page. Not very complicated.

[BlakAdder]

At this point, I find Al4xz scummier than Wall-E.

unvote, vote: Al4xz

[BlakAdder]

Hi guys.

It's me, Wall-E.

We need to talk.

I know I've been a scummy, lurky, non-contributing turd in this game so far. The town as rightly cast doubt on me for it. I deserved it.

But.

After some careful consideration of al4xz's posts, I've made a decision.

I am officially denouncing the al4xz lynch. I think you're up the wrong tree on this one.

As I am convinced there are scum on his wagon, I'm asking everyone to give their strongest reason for voting al4xz before we lynch him.

Unvote.

I don't think this is asking too much. In fact, I think it would be downright sensible of us, given how close al4xz is to lynch and the time we have to deadline.

Thoughts?

Scum city. I see no reason that any active player should not be on the Al4xz wagon, or possibly the Wall-E wagon at this point.

[BlakAdder]

I thought we've been over this, but I'll say it again if you really want me to.

Al4xz defended you when you were under fire for a potential scum slip, and you picked up on it and pretty much parroted/quoted what he said while adding no original content. Later, he attacked the defense you gave, which was, in case I need to say it again, the exact same stuff he defended you with. He then starts flailing whenever we start to look at him, and tries to play the newbie card even though he's had his account for almost two years. If you want me to go even more in depth, even some of his earlier actions are indicative are scum buddying.
Anything else?

[BlakAdder]

By acting the way you've been. Giving bad arguments in a desperate attempt to avoid the noose, where a town player would at least have an explanation for their scummy behavior.

[BlakAdder]

And wrong. He himself gave an excuse; school and crap like that.

We're not talking about his school excuse. We're talking about this excuse, in your 39th post.

Hmm. I think Wall-E remembered that which I listed above, and then combining it with what he knows now (that K7 was a doc), and figured he claimed doc.

Get it now?

[BlakAdder]

@Wall-E:
My current thought process shows two possibilities:
A: You and Al4xz are scumbuddies. He defended you and then attacked you in a distancing attempt.
B: He is scum and you are town and his actions were an attempt to make us come to conclusion A, get him lynched, and turn suspicion on you the next day.

Now, Al4xz is scum in either scenario, which is why I am voting for him. If/when he flips scum, I will be willing to go after you tomorrow. However, if he flips town, I will have no reason to suspect you.

[BlakAdder]

Found it yet, Alabaska?

[BlakAdder]

Order of Night actions:
The action on top is resolved first. If there are multiple actions of 1 type, the action I receive first will be resolved first, but all actions of that type will be resolved (so a vig and a goon killing each other will both die, for example).
1) passive abilities
2) blocking
3) target-changing
4) protecting
5) killing
6) alignment-changing
7) investigating/tracking/watching etc.
Questions about this can be asked in thread or via pm.

Votes off him nubs.

Even so, that doesn't clear him. Cop is a very good thing for scum to fake claim in a closed-setup game.

[BlakAdder]

Order of Night actions:
The action on top is resolved first. If there are multiple actions of 1 type, the action I receive first will be resolved first, but all actions of that type will be resolved (so a vig and a goon killing each other will both die, for example).
1) passive abilities
2) blocking
3) target-changing
4) protecting
5) killing
6) alignment-changing
7) investigating/tracking/watching etc.
Questions about this can be asked in thread or via pm.

Votes off him nubs.

Every other game I have been in ever has had cop results show up even if the target dies.

I've been in games where cops don't get results on them if they die.

Plus, Alex has looked pro-town all game.

Quotes plz

[BlakAdder]

Um, I dunno, how about EVERYTHING THAT KURIBO AND I HAVE ALREADY SAID. This question has been asked several times over and it's been answered each time. I have seen nowhere that he is pro-town.
Also,

intend to vote tomorrow: Wall-E and/or Xtoxm

. I don't know about anyone else, but I see this as scum buddying.
And before anyone asks, it's everything that Al4xz did, Al4xz claiming to have an innocent on Xtoxm, and Xtoxm and Wall-E now defending Al4xz.

[BlakAdder]

The title says deadlined. Did we hit deadline? Or was one just set?

[BlakAdder]

Hold on a sec.

I believe armlx but I have the following to reveal.

I'm a bus driver I exchanged Muerrto and Surey last night so, barring another interference, Surye is scum.

My weak-crumbing bus driver - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 76#1300276

I replaced in late during N1 and choose no action.

So then that also makes Muerrto town (because Armlx would have actually investigated Muerrto), if you're telling the truth? Or am I misunderstanding the Bus Driver role?

Surye is not confirmed, but Muerrto is confirmed town. (Provided Armlx is a truthful cop)

[BlakAdder]

Right, I forgot to mention that. But, this is "Murder at the Bus Stop". I wouldn't doubt having multiple bus drivers just on the basis of their being more than one of the same role.

[BlakAdder]

unvote

I'm willing to go with Surye's plan if no one protests.

[BlakAdder]

Doesn't look like anyone's protesting.

unvote, vote: Cream

[BlakAdder]

I'm kind of fence-sitting. I'm all for giving Cream a chance to speak, but he hasn't said a thing since before Halloween, so I doubt he'll be back to defend himself.

[BlakAdder]

Oh, that's okay then. But like I said, don't expect anything.

[BlakAdder]

vote: Xtoxm

. I feel he's more likely to be scum than Wall-E, as he defended Al4xz while he was buddying. Also, xtoxm, how would Armlx know you are a power role?

[BlakAdder]

Oh, yeah, that's totally going to get votes off of you.

[BlakAdder]

I believe that Wall-E has been making himself more suspicious with these lasts few posts where he has made an attempt to defend himself. At this point, he is equal with Xtoxm on my scumdar, so I'm going to

unvote

and make a request.
Wall-E, Xtoxm, please make a succinct defense against the overall case on you. I will use this as the determining factor for my vote at this time.

[BlakAdder]

More crap defense, moreso from Wall-E.

vote: Wall-e, HOS: Xtoxm

[BlakAdder]

Someone needs to hammer Wall-E.

[BlakAdder]

Thank you.

[BlakAdder]

Eh, I think the scum doctor theory is kind of unlikely. I'd say your original odds are pretty good.

[BlakAdder]

Obv.

No.

[BlakAdder]

So, just to get confirmation, armlx, are you saying that you have a guilty on farside?

[BlakAdder]

Very well.

vote Farside22

[BlakAdder]

Well, we have your iffy "maybe I was bus-driven" defense versus a mostly-confirmed cop claiming he has a guilty on you. I'll side with the cop any day.

[BlakAdder]

All right, then.

Unvote

.

[BlakAdder]

Sorry about the triple post. Internet was messing up on me.

Mod: Could you delete my extra posts, please?

Mod: done

[BlakAdder]

You must be easily amused.

[BlakAdder]

Only thing I worry about is, if we lynch a townie, will farside still self-vig? I don't want to mislynch and still risk losing our vigilante as well.

[BlakAdder]

I fail to see how I was implying that Farside was town. I only said that there was a chance, and there

is

a chance, albeit a small one.

Mod edit
Official Votecount:
farside22 (2): armlx, Jebus
Jebus (2): farside22, Riceballtail

Not voting (8): Gremwell, Netlava, Zazier, RestFermata, kuribo, ThAdmiral, Surye, BlakAdder

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

[BlakAdder]

Armlx, why is your vote still on farside?

[BlakAdder]

Oh, god, stop making me sway on this. You're making it hard to decide whether to vote Farside or not.

[BlakAdder]

If it theory didn't involve such a ridiculously large number of scum, I'd think that Kuribo's statement was a scum slip.

[BlakAdder]

A lot of these people were lurking beforehand. This game needs major replacement.

[BlakAdder]

Aren't you dead?

[BlakAdder]

Sorry, the above question was phrased towards Wall-E.
But he does raise a good point. Is a Bus Driver more valuable than a potential vig?
There is the chance of a mafia bus driver, but if the bus driver does claim, then we have a shot at killing mafia.

[BlakAdder]

bump

[BlakAdder]

I don't know how helpful massclaim would be at this point.

[BlakAdder]

I don't like the Jebus wagon. I'll look back at his posts in iso, but it doesn't seem like there's anything on him besides asking armlx for his result, which doesn't appear as scummy to me, or following the cop. Honestly, I think Forbiddan is scummier for accusing Jebus of being scum solely on this. In fact,

vote: ForbiddanLight

as she's the only lead I have at this point.

[BlakAdder]

I don't like the Jebus wagon. I'll look back at his posts in iso, but it doesn't seem like there's anything on him besides asking armlx for his result, which doesn't appear as scummy to me, or following the cop. Honestly, I think Forbiddan is scummier for accusing Jebus of being scum solely on this. In fact,

vote: ForbiddanLight

as she's the only lead I have at this point.

...what game are you playing?

Specify, please? There are several things that you could be referring to with that post.

[BlakAdder]

@Surye: Sorry, meant Riceballtail. Their avatars confuse me for some reason. Change that to

vote: Riceballtail

@Riceball: The only thing you said was "for relying on the cop to do the scumhunting." If there are other points to the case, why didn't you address them?

[BlakAdder]

I have looked at his posts in iso, but lurking and the minor following the cop are the only real scumtells. It isn't really true to say that he shuts up once Armlx claims, because he was lurking just as badly before that.

Mod edit
Official Votecount:
Jebus (2): Riceballtail, Surye
ThAdmiral (1): armlx
Riceballtail (1): BlakAdder

Not voting (6): Jebus, Sensfan, ThAdmiral, Netlava, Zazier, RestFermata

With 10 alive it's 6 to lynch.

[BlakAdder]

Okay, I understand your point now. Until now, I thought the case was just based upon lurking. I'll

unvote

, but I still don't know whether Jebus is scum or just lazy.

[BlakAdder]

I'm going to have somewhat limited access starting the 26th. I'll try to post as much as I can.
I'll be sure to decide who to vote on before I leave.

[BlakAdder]

Okay, to begin with, the lurkers need to speak up. I have next to nothing to go on right now because the only people left have not said anything recently.

[BlakAdder]

Wow. Netlava/Slepz did nothing. Only thing I can take away from reading his posts in iso is a chance of distancing from RestFermata when he voted her after the mod had already said that she was next in line for replacement.

[BlakAdder]

On that note,

vote:RestFermata

, just to get the game moving again.

[BlakAdder]

Anybody?

Mod edit
Official Votecount:
RestFermata (1): BlakAdder

Not voting (5): ThAdmiral, Zazier, RestFermata, Riceballtail, Surye

With 6 alive it's 4 to lynch.

[BlakAdder]

So is everyone back?

[BlakAdder]

I voted RestFermata because she is my top suspect. I have common sense, and I would have invited if I felt that we were getting to close to deadline and no one else had given input.
Also, I'll go along with massclaim. I'm a townie.

[BlakAdder]

@IAUN: That, and all of my other suspects have died.
Also, that "invited" up there is supposed to be "unvoted". Freaking spell check on my iPod.

[BlakAdder]

Hm. Has anyone ever seen a Hider that functions that way on this site?

[BlakAdder]

so that leaves me, rice and ba,,

some how there are two killers left and i do not have kill, so you guys should explain to why i should lynch the other.

Saying that you don't have a kill doesn't necessarily mean it's true. And don't act like you're the only whose vote matters
But, anyway, it is endgame, so vote carefully. Riceball, whom did you hide behind last night?

[BlakAdder]

Again, we don't know that you don't have a kill. In fact, if Riceball is telling the truth, then that would mean you and I are the ones with the remaining kills. In fact, this line of reasoning that you keep repeating could very easily be scum trying to lure the non-killing player into lynching the other killer, so as to guarantee a win.
At this point, I'd be okay with voting tubby. But I'll wait for Riceball first.

[BlakAdder]

Gambler's fallacy, plain and simple.

[BlakAdder]

Riceball, would you agree or disagree with my voting Tubby?

[BlakAdder]

EBWOP: Also, what are your opinions right now? Do you have any bearing on the conversation between Tubby and myself just now?

[BlakAdder]

Well, tubby, unless you stop being so stubborn and scummy, it looks like you're the one that's going to get lynched. Looks like you should be telling us why we shouldn't lynch you.

[BlakAdder]

What, seriously? Not even bothering to defend yourself? Whatever.
Riceball, do as you see fit, because at this rate, I'll doubtlessly be voting Tubby, and he'll probably OMGUS vote me.

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Official Votecount:

Not voting (3): tubby216, Riceballtail, BlakAdder

With 3 alive it's 2 to lynch.

[BlakAdder]

You can say that all you want, that doesn't make it true.

[BlakAdder]

Neither am I. If I truly had a PR, I would have claimed at the start of the day.

[BlakAdder]

Tbh, I've also been suspicious about Riceball being a Hider. It doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the setup. I've been willing to overlook it until now, because she's been pretty pro-town, but since tubby brought it up...
Rice, would you like to change your claim?

[BlakAdder]

What the hell, Riceball? Voting No Lynch at endgame? You get one last chance to defend yourself, then I'm hammering if you don't change my mind.

[BlakAdder]

Tubby's right. You're not really helping yourself.
Also, dropping your plan the second we question sounds like scum trying to conform with the remaining players to me.

[BlakAdder]

Yes. I'm being gracious and giving Roceball one more chance to defend himself, though.

[BlakAdder]

Riceball could be stalling. Either way, Tubby please unvote Riceball so we can hear a defense.

[BlakAdder]

'Scuse me? Didn't catch the reference.

[BlakAdder]

Sorry, I'm not exactly up on older movies. I also catch a lot of flack for never having watched Dances with Wolves. I'll watch both of those movies sometime.

[BlakAdder]

It's not, I'm just making an analogy to something I've experienced before.
Riceball, how's that defense coming?

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Official Votecount:

Not voting (3): tubby216, Riceballtail, BlakAdder

With 3 alive it's 2 to lynch.

[BlakAdder]

First I would like to know who your targets where, Rice.

[BlakAdder]

This sounds like Riceball is trying to turn things around and make a simple request that I made into a scum move. If you truly were a vig, you would at least include your targets with your half-assed attack on me.
Sorry, that's three strikes.

vote: Riceballtail

[BlakAdder]

Do what you think is best. Personally, I would be okay with you hammering now, but if you want to give her another chance, be my guest.

[BlakAdder]

And that's the hammer. I wonder who wins.

[BlakAdder]

I don't get it. Is that a vanilla claim?

[BlakAdder]

Yeah, I was in mafia.gif, which just ended, and it wound up in this fashion as well.

[BlakAdder]

Woohoo! I honestly didn't expect to win this. Great game, everyone.

[BlakAdder]

IAUN makes a good point. Think about it like this: You knew that there were two SK's remaining. (Well, it could have been one Mafioso and an SK, but it's the same plan) Anyway, here are your possibilities:
If you decide to lynch, there are three possibilities:
-You are lynched. Rice and I tie in endgame and you lose.
-Rice is lynched. I kill you that Night. You lose.
-I am lynched. Rice kills you that Night. You lose.
If you decide to No-Lynch, there are four possibilities:
-We both kill you. We tie in endgame and you lose.
-Rice and I both kill each other. You win.
-Rice kills you and I kill Rice. I win.
-I kill you and Rice kills me. Rice wins.
In layman's terms, if you decide to lynch, there is physically no way for you to win. If you go to No Lynch, there is a hypothetical 1 out of 4 chance to win. Get it now?

[BlakAdder]

EBWOP: I also just realized, this is the first game that I survived all of the way through. I'm proud of myself now.

[BlakAdder]

True. I didn't think about that situation.

[BlakAdder]

Oh, can we have a list of night actions, btw? I'm interested in knowing who killed me.

I think that might have been me. Hell if I'm gonna go digging back through my sent PM's, though.

[BlakAdder]

Similar roles think alike, I suppose?

[BlakAdder]

Yeah. If by team, you mean me, anyway.

[BlakAdder]

Aw, you're making me blush, Wall-E.