Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

Zachrulez · Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:29 am

jammer wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:So your town read on Spy comes specifically from meta? What games are you basing this on and what similarities do you see? What is different in his scum games?
Er, not really. This is pretty much the first game I started playing with spyrex, or with any of you besides VP. I got little reason to believe he is scum, so I look at him as town.
I was in another ongoing with spyrex, but I´d not think talking about that is a smart idea.

Also, how stupid you could call this reasoning, I had some reasoning to not be voting for Mastin, at that time. I wanted to hear from the not-posters first.

I just verified this actually ^ _ ^

I'm more interested in your voting patterns prior to that personally.

Zachrulez · Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:29 am

The whole thing where you were waiting to hear about the lurkers that is.

You had stated a willingness to vote for Mastin.

Zachrulez · Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:15 pm

Jammer's voting patters actually do look interesting.

For one who didn't end up on the lynch on day 1, Jammer's vote moved around a lot. I still need to look in more detail but have spotted votes in an iso read on Gieff, Cephrir, and Spyrex.

On days 2 and 3 his vote doesn't really move much at all, but his vote still seems to find it's way onto the lynching bandwagon in each instance. This looks very off now that I think about it.

Zachrulez · Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:26 am

Mod: Please prod Sensfan

Zachrulez · Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:09 am

Why are you asking the guy you were voting for to help you bandwagon another player?

Zachrulez · Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:45 am

Benmage wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:
jammer wrote: KMD, like to hop on a BM-wagon?

Unvote; Vote: Battle Mage
Ok.

Unvote, Vote Battle Mage
oh wtf

I second this.

Zachrulez · Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:01 pm

I'm not really liking this Battle Mage wagon at all. The way KMD and Jammer hopped off the other's wagon in favor of his is not sitting right with me.

I find myself seeing Battle Mage as more likely town at this point.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:58 am

Well I just looked at the vote count and noticed that support for a KMD lynch has collapsed.

After their blatant coordination in attempting to get BM lynched, I am fine seeing either lynched at this point.

Unvote: Vote: Jammer

My opinion of Battle Mage's play hasn't really changed. My conclusion of his likely alignment is what has.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:06 am

And that is lynch -1.

Zachrulez · Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:11 pm

Honestly, I'm feeling town vibes from Battle Mage now.

Benmage's survival has actually been pretty deep for someone who's supposed to be "obv town."

Not really liking the early votes, but if there is no quick hammer, it's highly likely that at least one of Ben and Battle mage are scum.

Zachrulez · Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:51 pm

Well I was gonna suggest lynching DDD after I saw some more content from people when the weekend was over...

*Sigh*

Not that I was much help to the game anyway.

Zachrulez · Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:55 pm

I figured out that Battle Mage was town sometime during day 4, but still, the votes came pretty quick from you guys.

I pretty much saw day 3 as the climax of the game. We should have lynched Spyrex then, but Gieff hit the noose anyway.

Zachrulez · Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:56 pm

SpyreX wrote:I'll freely admit I am 100% baffled at my not getting lynched after the GIEFF lynch.

Yeah, I'm depressed that I went back on my suspicions of you a bit.

Tried to wagon DDD and then KMD... but the no one was taking... argh.

Zachrulez · Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:16 pm

The jammer vote was a bit of a resigned one from me. I was really doubting myself at that point in time and should have never voted for him...

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:33 am

Vi wrote: Kmd was obvscum. Has nobody played with KmdTown before?

I came to realize this around day 4... sadly no one was really interested...

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:50 am

Should have voted for Spyrex on day 3 Vi.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:42 am

Battle Mage wrote:Wow Kitty, a new high. Coming into a game you did not participate in, and start flaming. Fantastic.

BM

Well we all did fail hard as a town.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:09 am

Benmage wrote:
Zachrulez wrote: Well we all did fail hard as a town.
Word. If it wasn't for the fact that we had two mislynches due to lurkers which equaled 4 free deaths.

I would've hounded DDD, but SF was practically the same for most of the game, and at times worse so I didn't know which one to go for and ended up ignorin both.

This should be a big lesson in the ability to distinguish between flake lurking, and active lurking (the latter is scummy and the former is null.)

I'll admit that I failed to make that distinction in this game myself.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:34 am

Gieff's self vote was really blown out of proportion after he did it.

Strangely enough it wasn't his actions, but the opportunism of the wagon that convinced me he was town.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:00 pm

GIEFF wrote:Sorry, town. Both for the bad play and for the self-hammer. Very soon before that self-hammer, another ongoing game was going to make me look much scummier to a few players who were key to keeping me alive (especially if Spyrex flipped town). I should not have done it, though - I don't know why I started doubting my Spy-case, but I did, and foresaw that if I was wrong about that, it would lose the game for us.

Yaw, your modding really was very unfair. We lynched two lurkers that you refused to replace, which allowed us (well me, anyway) to allow DDD's lurking strategy to continue to work. It's not right of you to blame "spew" for your refusal to replace those who so clearly deserved it. If the mod refuses to remove non-contributing players, what other choice does the town have but to lynch them?

I think that's more on the players themselves for trying to stay in a game they couldn't keep up with.

At any rate, I don't really think we have an excuse for not lynching DDD as town.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:03 pm

And also in the interest of fairness, Gieff didn't vote for Cephrir.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:06 pm

Your self vote was very unfortunate. We pretty much had figured each other out as town, and could have really done some damage.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:10 pm

Zachrulez wrote:Your self vote was very unfortunate. We pretty much had figured each other out as town, and could have really done some damage.

And I'm talking about the one that resulted in your bandwagon, not the self hammer.

That wagon was just ridiculous too...

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:15 pm

And hopefully the fact that we were right about Spyrex makes you feel a little better Gieff.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:13 pm

GIEFF wrote:
Vi wrote:Edit for English: If you were concerned that SpyreX was going to flip Town, why trip over yourself demonizing him?
Because it later became quite clear that if I was wrong, I myself would be lynched the next day, which would effectively end the game.

Risk is part of the game if you want to lynch scumbags.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:19 pm

Oh, I love how you apparently lost interest in lynching me in lylo KMD.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:42 pm

So Vi, are you disappointed I wasn't scum in this game either?

I really didn't handle your suspicion well at all. I was just like pffft whatever.

Zachrulez · Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:55 pm

Vi wrote:@Zach: You keep setting off my scumdar as Town, and I'm not sure what to do about it :\

Ah the part that makes this great is that I don't even like playing as scum and feel like I suck at it anyway. Just read a few games I've played as scum and you'll see.

Zachrulez · Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:09 am

If I had actually tried to read the entire game, I probably would have gone the way of Mastin and Cephrir.

I managed to stay caught up from late day 1 on by simply giving up the notion of ever being able to entirely read the game.