Mafia 102: No-Frills Game Thread(Town wins!)

[EtherealCookie]

/confirm

[EtherealCookie]

Vote:Scigatt

[EtherealCookie]

Vote: Crypto


DON'T QUESTION MY ACTIONS.

[EtherealCookie]

Oh man, I'm bad at this bolding thing, aren't I?

Vote:Crypto

[EtherealCookie]

You shouldn't be; you've been around for some time. Stop panicking, scum.

You've got me under a lot of pressure here, man...

[EtherealCookie]

I haven't completed a single game on mafiascum.net, unless you count dying Night 0. I'm in a lot. One on some terrible forums where we did Mafia VS Werewolf, and days were basically... One day IRL.

[EtherealCookie]

I gave you a slice of pizza for answering so promptly. But then I had to take it away before you could sink your teeth in, because you said nil about anything that occurred on page 3.

Yea?
Yea?
Well, I'm not sharing any of my cookies with you.

[EtherealCookie]

What's there to comment on? Mafia seems screwed, honestly, with this ratio.

[EtherealCookie]

What's there to comment on? Mafia seems screwed, honestly, with this ratio.

Are you admitting that you are scum?

How is that admitting to be scum? Assuming makes an ass out of u and me.

Good to see EtherealCookie (obvious scum) getting more widespread publicity. Post 88 is vaguely icky, too. One down, two to gooo!

You're a bit too confident.

scummy for someone not voting no lynch.

Not really.

[EtherealCookie]

Think about it. Sixteen players, thirteen of which are town. That's 81.25%. Unless my math's off (not my forte, honestly), mafia's quickest route to victory is five consecutive days with mis-lynches coupled with five consecutive nights with successful kills, at which point three goons endgame three townies. That's one tall feat, and even then it's worst case scenario for the town—it'd require a massive meltdown, months of utterly demented scum hunting.

And it's even tougher when you factor in no-lynches, which would, what, double the number of days it'd take?

I agree with this. Why would I want to vote No Lynch in the first place? All it's going to do is prolong the game. Why not place some pressure on people, and see what we can get of them? Voting No Lynch and watching the scum kill one every night would be amazingly boring and slow, and wouldn't give us much to figure out who they are.

[EtherealCookie]

Right, I am confused. Why are people voting for me? I can't get anything out of your posts, honestly. How am I contradicting myself, Mr. Spiderman Avatar?

[EtherealCookie]

1) Thinks that the scum will struggle.
2) Thinks that the no lynch plan will make it even harder for scum
3) Is not voting for and is actually against a no lynch.

1) Yes, the ratio seems like scum will struggle.
2) When did I say that? I said that a no lynch would give us very little to discuss, and we'd just watch the mafia kill off a person one by one at night.
3) Well, that's explained by the above.

[EtherealCookie]

EC, you agreed that the no lynch would make it easier for the town in this post.

Think about it. Sixteen players, thirteen of which are town. That's 81.25%. Unless my math's off (not my forte, honestly), mafia's quickest route to victory is five consecutive days with mis-lynches coupled with five consecutive nights with successful kills, at which point three goons endgame three townies. That's one tall feat, and even then it's worst case scenario for the town—it'd require a massive meltdown, months of utterly demented scum hunting.

And it's even tougher when you factor in no-lynches, which would, what, double the number of days it'd take?

I agree with this. Why would I want to vote No Lynch in the first place? All it's going to do is prolong the game. Why not place some pressure on people, and see what we can get of them? Voting No Lynch and watching the scum kill one every night would be amazingly boring and slow, and wouldn't give us much to figure out who they are.

Maybe I read the quote wrong, but I thought it'd make it harder for the entire game itself, as it'd

DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF DAYS IT'D TAKE

. It'd be a lot of waiting around, if we followed a no lynch policy every day, and there wouldn't be any conversation because everyone would be voting no lynch anyways.

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Super Accurate* Vote Count(as of post 125):

CSL - 1(mask man)
crypto - 1(EtherealCookie)
mask man - 1(Sando)
No Lynch - 1(CSL)
hiphop - 1(charter)
SerialClergyman - 1(crypto)
EtherealCookie - 2(SerialClergyman, hiphop)

Not Voting:le Chat, X_~, Staple, Team Aether, Kaiveran, bigmc109, Pomegranate, muh316

*Not guaranteed to be accurate.

[EtherealCookie]

Okay, finished reading the thread, the above post was based on up to page 4.

EC, seems REALLY scummy. His defenses suck, you would think he would be kind of upset that he is being attacked by pretty much everyone. Yet, EC tries to prove people wrong. FoS Etherealcookie

Also not buying the No lynch idea one bit. We gain far more information by lynching someone.
I also want to suggest the following, but it means going no lynch today.
We go no lynch
Cop scans EC
Lynch EC day 2

At least the cop would have an idea if the scans are accurate or not. The cop doesn't have to reveal himself, it's just to help him see if his scans are accurate.

Yes, if my defenses suck, I must be scum. Because, y'know, Townies can't defend themselves and be bad at it.

Oh, I'm not supposed to prove people wrong on their false accusations and their voting on me? I'm sorry, I'll sit there crying instead. Waaaaaaaaaaah, they're all voting for me.
/end sarcasm

Crypto tries to attack everyone so that no one attacks him.

That's a good point. He also randomly accuses people of being scum to throw pressure around. Both of these do not mean anything, though, in terms of being scummy. Scum is more likely to sit quiet, especially in a crowded game at Day 1.

EtherealCookie - I think people are mistaking newbieness with scumminess here. Can you post some thoughts on other players, at least your top suspects?

X_~ takes the cake for most scummy. Terrible reasoning to FoS me, and he suggests a lynching plan that kills me Day II.

We go no lynch
Cop scans EC
Lynch EC day 2

Holy shit, he's ready to sacrifice me. A bit aggressive, hm? Let me come up with a revised plan.

We go no lynch
Cop scans X_~
Lynch X_~ day II

Second on the list would be Serialclergyman. Terrible points, twists what I'm saying, and has poor reasoning skills. If I understood that the No Lynch plan would make it harder for scum, then why would I

say that

and then not support it? Oh right. I didn't say it.


Last one on the EtherealCookie bandwagon is hiphop. Don't have much to say about him. Poor reasoning skills, I don't think he reads what he types, nor pays attention to what he reads. He isn't scummy, though.

[EtherealCookie]

Really? The view I've got of you is that you claim few people are scum and keep repeating it over as if to appear serious. Unless, you seriously think you have the scum, at which I'd be rather surprised.

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Super Accurate* Vote Count(as of post 200):

CSL - 1(mask man)
crypto - 1(EtherealCookie)
mask man - 1(Sando)
No Lynch - 1(CSL)
hiphop - 1(charter)
SerialClergyman - 1(crypto)
EtherealCookie - 2(SerialClergyman, hiphop)
Staple - 1(le Chat)
crypto - 1(X_~)

Not Voting:Staple, Team Aether, Kaiveran, bigmc109, Pomegranate, muh316

*Not guaranteed to be accurate.

[EtherealCookie]

What? I already told you who I was suspicious of.

[EtherealCookie]

Oh, I need to vote on it.

Vote:X_~

[EtherealCookie]

All right. Will do so, hopefully by today. A bit busy on weekdays.

[EtherealCookie]

Right. Here you are, Crypto.

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bigmc109 - Comes off pro-town at the moment, pays close attention to people, actually gave some thought into the no-lynch policy.

charter - hiphop ignores his idea. Doesn't really give that great of a case on him. Then he's overeager to lynch him. I don't like the overeagerness.

Crypto - Posts a lot, attacks people, requests everyone's opinion on others. Seems over confident, pro-town read as of now.

CSL - Hurr. Two posts pro. Prod?

EtherealCookie - prty kool dude

hiphop - VI, most likely. Blabs about stuff without actually reading it properly (see post #6), bad analysis of people.

Kaiveran - Nothing to say, should be back soon.

le chat - I agree with his point on staple. I can't get much of a read on him, given he has 4 posts, so, neutral read.

maskman - I don't like how he passes himself off as jesus and crypto as god. Just saying. He gives some thought into how to go about this game, however. Pro-town.

muh316 - hasn't contributed very much at all. Votes for no lynch with no other reasoning other than "guess this makes sense."

Pomegranate - Yay for admitting to lurking. We now know you're not very helpful. Says Maskman and Crypto are pro town. Wooh. Share the popular opinion around.

Sando - Post more, please. You bring up good points on X_~.

Scigatt - Extremely scummy. Always typing in dark red. Watch out.

SerialClergyman - Like I said before, he doesn't have great points, and twisted what I said. Neutral read.

Staple - Lurks, attacks X_~ for lurking, comments on X_~ first post, which basically says he never noticed this post, but he will help find scum. The problem with that first post by X_~ was that he never commented on anything going on at the moment. However, Staple does the SAME EXACT THING, to the point of explaining why he hadn't commented previous (Everything had already been addressed, which is a garbage reason.) Very few posts. At the moment, leaning scum.

X_~ - Terrible, terrible, reasons to FoS me. Then he adds a plan that involves lynching me? Cool! Scum.

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Super Accurate* Vote Count(as of post 250):

CSL - 1(mask man)
No Lynch - 1(CSL)
hiphop - 2(charter, SerialClergyman)
Staple - 2(le Chat, hiphop)
crypto - 1(X_~)
X_~ - 2(EtherealCookie, Sando)
Pomegranate - 1(crypto)

Not Voting:Staple, Empking, Kaiveran, bigmc109, Pomegranate, muh316

*Not guaranteed to be accurate.

[EtherealCookie]

Pft, don't get offended Crypto.
And, I'm fifteen, Muh. It's not hard to just post and think a bit.

[EtherealCookie]

I believe you are on the offensive. You can deny that all you want, if you wish to.

[EtherealCookie]

I guess you guys are correct in lynching me, since I know I've been playing scummy. I will probably only cause more confusion throughout the game because of my scummy behavior these first few pages. You guys also do not lose much by lynching since I have not been contributing at all. Think the only way I could defend myself at this moment is to say that I will be more active from here on in, and I am a townie so it does not benefit the town to lynch me.

Wow EPIC scum fail. Most of the people havent posted content including me and you are accusing yourself of lack of content. Then when you say and i am townie and does not benefit town to lynch me. It is a clear giveaway that your a scum. Your roleclaim seems extremely suspicious right now.

Vote Staple

And no I am not bandwagoning with BMC because all he said was vote.

Cool story bro.
I know asian kids that spend ten hours studying every day too.

[EtherealCookie]

Oh man, why do I always quote the wrong quotes?

Ok i got a bit carried away there on the me acting stupid but seriously I am smart in real life. I was Valedictorian and I was the only student in my school to get a perfect score on the State exams. Im just a but lazy on the non-mandatory reading thats all. So I dont post much content. But I prmoise that I'm going to come up with something by today.

Anyhow, on Staple: I'm not convinced he's scum. 99% he's scum that's cracked? Hardly. More like 50/50. I'd rather see a bit more from him before I pass my judgement.

[EtherealCookie]

Fine, Crypto. You get back your house avatar, I'll vote for Staple.

[EtherealCookie]

EtherealCookie, can you explain what made you go from leaning scum on Staple to having a 50/50 read on him?

Staple - Lurks, attacks X_~ for lurking, comments on X_~ first post, which basically says he never noticed this post, but he will help find scum. The problem with that first post by X_~ was that he never commented on anything going on at the moment. However, Staple does the SAME EXACT THING, to the point of explaining why he hadn't commented previous (Everything had already been addressed, which is a garbage reason.) Very few posts. At the moment, leaning scum.

Anyhow, on Staple: I'm not convinced he's scum. 99% he's scum that's cracked? Hardly. More like 50/50. I'd rather see a bit more from him before I pass my judgement.

Because the "I give up, lynch me if you want, but I'm just a townie" doesn't seem likely for scum to do, especially on Day I. I think we should still continue looking around for scum, instead of being content on lynching him.

[EtherealCookie]

Whatever. I still think X_~ is more scummy.

[EtherealCookie]

Are you honestly unable to read the little "gender" thing right underneath my avatar, that goes northeast, not south?

[EtherealCookie]

Sorry EC. I had you in my mind as a female - I should have checked. My bad.

No problem, hypocritical of me to get angry given I do it sometimes as well.

[EtherealCookie]

Ehrm. I don't see how BMC is scummy. Can someone explain the case against him?

[EtherealCookie]

Setting up lynches is 100% undeniably a scum tell. This isn't really debatable, I don't know why crypto is trying it. Just thought this should be made clear.

Bigmc is scummy for his opportunistic vote on staple, his setting up a lynch of muh when staple flips town, and for his no lynch idea if we aren't sure someone is scum. No lynching because you aren't sure someone is scum only helps scum.

I am still calling for more people to vote for bigmc. People should start voting him.

I don't get what all the fuss over SC is. I took his statement to mean that Sando chose to vote muh instead of bigmc and continues to do so. Don't see the problem with this. He thinks that bigmc is scum and muh is not, so by voting for muh instead of bigmc, Sando looks scummy. Don't see the problem with this. I don't see what there is to misinterpret.

Uhm.
X didn't set up a lynch for me? His idea was to No Lynch, Cop investigate me, and then Lynch me.

[EtherealCookie]

I FINALLY finished reading the thread! Christ, I thought it would never end! Well, I just skimmed over the last couple of pages, but at least I have some semblance of what's going on now.

I didn't care to be ultra-detailed in my analysis and class is nearing its end. Here's my PbP, however broken and lazily constructed.

BMC – Looks a bit afraid of risk early in day, keeps going back to theory and doesn’t really participate in scumhunting. Becomes vaguely prodding and accusatory and subsequently rises to be one of the more prominent people in the game. Significant town lean.

Charter – Starts out a bit drab, but starts being more of an independent thinker and gives off a pro-town vibe later. Antagonized hiphop as scum, who antagonized his plan slightly. Knee-jerk reaction? Strongly against the Staple lynch and and antagonizes BMC, but doesn’t give of a scum vibe doing so (gut might play a role in this). Difficult to read, tangle of WIFOM.

Crypto – Lead figure in the game. Very prodding and eager for information on everything. Seems arrogant and overconfident at times, might be pro syndrome. Seems to be very protown, but we can't afford to idolize one player. Something seems a bit off in his opinions...I can't put my finger on it. Just a gut feeling. I don’t play meta so I can’t say much. Moderate town lean.

Ethereal – Newbie, contradicts himself, popular target early in the day. Defends staple, who is also suspicious. Scum lean.

Le Chat - Nonentity barring a brief post to page 12, but his few posts have a slight town flavor. Hope he doesn’t get replaced. I like cats.

Retournez-vous!

Mask man – Scarce, but puts original thought into his posts. Slight town read.

Muh316 – Fence sitting sparse poster, very little content through midday. Complains of not being able to comprehend the game/read (I’ve got to sympathize, catching up with a game is hell, but if you’re able to be active you shouldn’t slip in the first place.) Starts picking up a bit from the end of p13, but jumps on a staple wagon. Slight suspicion. Meta for lurking.

Pomegranate – Posted with mostly covered points. Not quite a total parrot, but I see a few feathers. Contradictory behavior/statements as covered by crypto, but I don’t like meta and I think her V/LA claim was legit. Antagonized and voted by crypto. Still, slight scum lean.

Sando – Another sparse poster, accusatory and original thought. Detected a smidgen of parroting early on, but seems to have disappeared. Antagonizes Serial’s proposed lynch of bmc or affiliates. Slight town lean.

Serial – Accusatory, main adversary of EC. Recently moved in to new apartment, may have dirupted activity. Active lurking. Trying to turn the whole Staple situation on its head (WIFOM anyone?) Slight suspect to do recent conflict with Sando.

Hiphop - some questionable things (such as only bringing up the no-lynch plan when he was voted.), but he looks generally protown. A bit hard to read.

X – Went way the hell out of his way to avoid doing a simple thing, which signifies anxiety at being read; a very viable scumtell. However, he has never played before and a lot of his actions can be chalked up to inexperience. Inactive as of late, may be replaced.

Empking – Replacement. Playing vacuously and neglecting the game as usual. No read.

Staple – Parroting and overdefensive, poor attacks on other players, reasonably accused by BMC , seems like he’s giving up on p13, OMGUS “suspicion” on BMC, replacing out to pin his crap on someone else (after BMC’s note about townies and replacements) …*deep breath* Lots of evidence, strong scum lean.

RayFrost- Replaced CSL. Just chummed around with hiphop midday and dissappeared. Says school is in the way. Nonentity, might be due for a replacement.

Class is over and I won't be here till late afternoon. bye for now

Uhm.
I defended Staple?
Please, quote where I defended Staple.
Maybe you're the newbie, given you can't tell the difference between "Defending" and "Not voting for someone."
They're two different things, buddy, in case you didn't know. Also, where did I contradict myself? Are you sure you're just not copying the same exact thing Hiphop has been saying? If I was defending him, I'd be very against lynching him. I just don't want to settle on him right now. Because it sure does seem like it.

On who to vote for, I agree with muh316. I'm not liking how Charter wants to push for a BMC lynch so badly.

Nope. Bigmc lynch. Let's go people. Stop with this staple nonsense.

Too pushy.

Vote: Charter

[EtherealCookie]

I don't like how I'm accused of "defending" Staple, that's all, when I didn't. I'm sorry for having a reason not to join a lynch on him, but that isn't defending someone. That's just not wanting to vote for someone.

[EtherealCookie]

EC: Why is Charter scum?

Hm.
I don't know, do you read posts?
I don't like how he's pushing so hard to get a person lynched. It's odd.

[EtherealCookie]

@EC if someone believes someone should get lynched, should they not push hard? Look at Bmc, crypto, and Sc. They can't all be scum, yet they all have pushed hard for a lynch at one time or another.

There's a difference between pushing hard and pushing too hard. There's not a good enough reason to lynch him, yet he keeps acting like the choice is an obvious one and tells people to hurry up with lynching him.

[EtherealCookie]

@EC if someone believes someone should get lynched, should they not push hard? Look at Bmc, crypto, and Sc. They can't all be scum, yet they all have pushed hard for a lynch at one time or another.

There's a difference between pushing hard and pushing too hard. There's not a good enough reason to lynch him, yet he keeps acting like the choice is an obvious one and tells people to hurry up with lynching him.

Why didn't you answer my question?

You have a thing called a brain. If you read my post, I'm sure you could come to your own conclusion.

Furthermore, why don't you actually contribute instead of asking pointless questions that are one line, every single time you come to post? Honestly, it seems like you're active lurking.

[EtherealCookie]

Honestly, I mean look at these posts.

Vote; BigMc - His early posts seem to be scummy with him changing Charter's plan and presenting his changes as the original.

FoS; Crypto His "never had a scum role PM".

Charter: Why is Hiphop scum?

Not a great reason to vote for someone. I'd have accepted an FoS of BigMC for that, but if that's your sole reasoning for voting for him, it was terrible.

Vote; Crypto

I think that the Crypto wagon is likely to be scum based especially when it passed the two votes mark.

So... You expect scum to bandwagon on Crypto when you've announced the fact that the only reason you're voting on Crypto is so the scum jump on the bandwagon?

unvote

Vote: Muh

I'm feel that the Staple bandwagon is scum lead (though I am seeing it as perhaps bussing) and with Muh's "I'm not bandwagoning" I feel he's scummier than Crypto.

You voted on feeling, not reasoning?

Its obviously scum-led.

You and Muh are far more scummy.

Calls two people out for being scummy without a case, for some reason.

FOS: EC 383

Why oh why would you FoS someone for getting defensive over their gender?

Unvote Vote: bIGMC

I'm not liking his reactions to Charter.

Muh; What are your thoughts on 435?

You don't like his reaction to Charter? He called him out for being so defensive of Staple. How's that scummy?

BigMc: In regards to 447. Why do you think people find Muh and co scummy for parrotting you, when most of the players for Muh's lynch find you the scummiest?

Another one line question. The player will then proceed to respond with one line, and you'll find out nothing about them. Yay.

Why do you think people find Muh scummy for parrotting you?

Same thing. You just asked him again, because he failed to respond.

No.

Are you scum?

If you ask scum if they're scum, they'll say yes for sure. /endsarcasm

Charter; Thoughts on Kkai?
WW; Thoughts on Charter?

More small little questions that aren't contributing much.

What do you consider contributing?
Do you conasider asking leading questions contributing?
Do you consider testing the waters with your suspicions without putting out a more concrete proof of your suspicions, contributing?
Do you think I should bae my scum hunting on what I think you mean rather than what you actually mean?

What do I consider contributing? Actually genuine scum hunting, not asking one line questions.
"Leading questions?" What do you mean by that?
Testing the waters with suspicions is not contributing. It is active lurking if the player is doing it all the time.
I don't know, what do you think I mean? And if you knew what I actually mean, then wouldn't what you think it means be the same thing as what it actually means?

And out of those four questions, I found nothing very useful in the goal to lynch scum.

With that in mind, I'm going to call you out for actively lurking. If it was just lurking, I might understand, but it's usually scum that tries to make it seem like they're contributing.

Vote:Empking

[EtherealCookie]

Too busy with school right now. I need to drop a couple of games. Sorry. Requesting replacement.