Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)
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I only recognize the other thread and refuse to confirm in this one, even though i'm playing
Juls is that the same Juls from mishmash? I am sorry I was butthead. I usually am not. Please don't knife me."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I wuv you Sotty!!
... ok I'm actually sober. I'm not drinking age yet."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Vote: hoopla"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Sigma's post made sense. Vi's didn't.
Lynching someone whose meta you don't know is just extension of "lynch killa 7" logic"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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The logic is similar Vi. You lynch killa seven because you can't ever read him (because he lurks). Likewise, lynching someone you don't know makes sense because you have less power to read that player compared to any other player."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Why aren't you opposed to hoopla's avatar?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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charter wrote:VOTE SPYREX!Traitorous scum!
Now that that is out of the way, I think pops is scum. I actually have like five likely scum candidates, which is kind of awesome. Others to include: imaginality, Energetic Penguin, and hitogoroshi.
unvote, vote Pops
Pops for his K7 tangent and his 'why aren't you opposed to Hoopla's avatar' comments.
imaginality for posting to say he isn't going to post.
Energetic Penguin for his FOS of Sigma and then vote for Hoopla.
hitogoroshi because I don't like his last two posts.
I don't think sigma is scum.
OMGUSUnvote, Vote: Charter
The sprinkler system "scumhunting" looks pretty bad to me. You're posting things that have happened, not even in reason form, and then indicating suspicion towards several people for insubstantial reasons. It looks like scum that wants someone else to follow it up, wants several different angles to go to get a mislynch, and overall wants more bodies on the floor. I'm pretty surprised no one else is upset by this.
I still don't really see scumSpyrex. He said he hated meta in my last game i was with him so at least he's consistent.
Confidanon looks bad. He's sheepy and votes with poor reasoning (someone brought up the defensive argument, which is pretty fallacious)
Crypto seems so scummy he can't be scum, voting people and refusing to explain. What the crap Crypto? Are you claiming scum or town right now?
I'm inclined to agree with roflcopter on Maemuki being town. Partly from his rep. Is that a bad reason? Sorry. But she seems town besides.
Guys, please tone down the posting. I don't want to drop out because of time demands. It took me well hour to catch up today. Well."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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This is a 13 page thread, and no, I didn't note any promise to explain your vote later. And I think you're being pretty rude."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Well, I'm reading the thread once, carefully. That's the level of commitment I think I ower to a game. And I missed it. So get used to me missing things of that magnitude henceforth.
Your 515 word post (simulposted with mine) seems to base a case on Maemuki around her getting sidetracked from a question asking for her position on Spyrex. The picture you are trying to paint is that she put it off so she could litmus test the town and align herself before she picked one way or the other and I think that's too reachy to be the case. I think she read him in iso, got sidetracked by recent posts, and didn't mention it. I mean maybe it was a conspiracy to hold off giving her opinion on Spyrex that's a weak tell at best. It just didn't seem that dodgy to me."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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hitogoroshi wrote:
You *seriously* think these are points he intends to follow up on? As though he was laying the groundwork for mislynching later? And yet at the same time they're insubstantial? I agree they're stupid points, but that seems to be more or less the point, and to say this is a 'sprinkler system scumhunt' is kind of silly. Do you think he's going to post D2 saying, "Remember the suspicion I raised earlier regarding hito's joke about hoopla fun dollars? I think we should follow up on that."Pops (regarding Charter) wrote: The sprinkler system "scumhunting" looks pretty bad to me. You're posting things that have happened, not even in reason form, and then indicating suspicion towards several people for insubstantial reasons. It looks like scum that wants someone else to follow it up, wants several different angles to go to get a mislynch, and overall wants more bodies on the floor. I'm pretty surprised no one else is upset by this.
That's not how it works. It usually goes down more like:
(later day 1) Vi: Hey, i think Energetic Penguin is super scummy
5 other people: me too! wagon tyme!
Charter: me too
pops: charter is a sheep
charter: no i was suspicious of Energetic Penguin since forever.
It's called keeping your options open as scum, and being able to vote anyone and pretend you were there all along actually works if no one notices."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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If you see someone making pipe bombs do you have to wait until they do something to arrest them? Town don't legitimately scumhunt in that broad way charter did, and I'm not a fan of "ignore all players with less than 5 votes" or whatever logic.hitogoroshi wrote:
Thenpopsofctown wrote: It's called keeping your options open as scum, and being able to vote anyone and pretend you were there all along actually works if no one notices.noticeif and when it happens. There are enough real accusations flying around to avoid 'I bet x will' ones.
Crypto seems to have changed from "no she's not forgetful, she's a flipflop". The flipflop really isn't there though. She never voted Spyrex, she just pointed out tells. Everyone has a plus sheet and a minus sheet and she mentioned minuses, there's no rule saying you can't talk about about things other than the ultimate conclusion. So Crypto, that's at best poor reading, at worst, scum build-a-case workshop.
This day DOES need to be shorter so I willunvote, vote: ConfidAnon. To be honest what he did was soooo far back now it's fuzzy, but I remember he sheeped onto Spyrex's wagon merely calling him "defensive".
I don't think Hoopla wants to be taken seriously guys. "we're wagonning X now?" is at least somewhat tongue in cheek. I hope. She later posts actual game content.
Eh, feel like i should dig through more and post more to match everyone else but I guess I'll let this umpteen page game get some mercy."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'm not "insisting hoopla will post content"
I'm saying hoopla does post content, and she has more than you.
hito: EP 376 is indeed bad. I think you misread my post. I meant i think hoopla is kidding when she says the only reason she's voting people for random reasons, and I'm saying I'm totally fine with it, the reverse of condemning it. And I do know why I'm voting ConfidAnon, just sayin I had some other reasons too that I can't remember now.
But mostly it boils down to that plurality voting still requires some popularity, so I can't lynch Charter anymore than you can lynch EP (not that I would lynch Charter without getting more posts)."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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EBWOP "..is kidding when she says the only reason she's voting people isto wagon""Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Yeah, the unfair thing is that EP has what, 6 posts? And 1-2 two of them are scummy, creating a massive proportion of scumminess. Yet other players give more to go off of..
Yet the ConfidAnon wagon is bigger even though posting more is something we ought to reward.
Yeah. Screw ending the day.
unvote, vote Energetic Penguin
ConfidAnon will keep posting so he can be read, EP won't."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I haven't ignored it, I actually pointed it out and said it doesn't bother me. On paper what she does is absolutely inexcusable sheeping and I shouldn't tolerate it and it's scummy. But the way she wagons, shamelessly, "I'm wagonning", and then does actually scumhunt in between vote changes, doesn't look scummy to me. It looks like a style thing.ConfidAnon wrote: 375: pops, you wagon me for wagoning on spyrex, yet ignore Hoopla's wagoning. Why?
You, however, did the opposite, you voted spyrex whilst pretending to have a reason. "He's too defensive". Which isn't really a reason. It's tofu. That's what it is.
In conclusion, I'm more interested in punishing the boy who cut down the cherry tree and lied about it than I am about punishing the girl that owned up.
I labelled my post with the letters "OMGUS" sarcastically. OMGUS is an emotional effect that causes people to want to return votes, which, as a mafia vet, i believe i have under control. My vote on you had reasons and I explained them, it's not mere OMGUS.Charter wrote:298, Pops is a third scum. If I was a daycop this game... His post comes back to OMGUS on me, then accuse me of "sprinkler scumhunting" on page five or whatever. Also claims to be suspicious of the Crypto/Confid pairing but does nothing about it.
The next clause of that sentence is you parroting what I said. Explain why I'm scummy. At the very least, explain how I'm wrong.
And yeah, I am suspicious of ConfidAnon and pretty unsure about Crypto, but I only have one vote. Sorry about that. I'm not Vi."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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roflcopter: Post numbers for Infinis's IioA? He did ignore you, that was pretty lame of him."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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it's hard not to."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Agreed on all points. Idiotking, replacing out of a game for those reasons is unethical. I'mhopingyou just didn't understand what is and isn't a good reason to replace out of the game, and are usually an ethical person. I would request that should you wish to replace out of this game that you honestly explain the reason you are replacing out to zoraster and remain in the game if he thinks you do not have an appropriate reason for leaving. Mafia games are commitments to each other player in the game."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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It's a spectrum, and EP is much further down the spectrum than IdiotKing. Somehow I think you'd agree fellow voter.hiphop wrote: @pops and ray- if you guys agree with hoopla, where are the votes.
@RC: although I agree that analyzing ConfidAnon wagon would be a good thing, I don't like you laying out the groundwork for this analysis and not putting a foot forth in any direction at all. Just don't feel like you're allowed to cover that many bases."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I still read Maemuki as having been consistently neutral.
Pads, what do you think of Spyrex's alignment? If it's already on record, my apologies."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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*wants to prod a frog with a hot poker*"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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She uses it to make fun of people who accidentally don't let go of the shift key. I think Pads is being more of a doosh than that."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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simulposted"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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A little bit. But probably more parts confirmation bias."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Charter, the first paragraph of 476 is incomprehensible to me. No like "lol you're so wrong it doesn't make sense", but rather I can't figure out what you are saying. Restatement?
Sotty's interpretation of Sigma's early gambit seems diametrically opposed to mine, it makes sense enough to worry me... I put him at neutral, I think there's explanations for RVS gambits going both ways."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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EBWOP: "not like...", not "no like....""Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Answering this before i read the rest of the thread. Bad form, I know.roflcopter wrote: pops, what do you think of spyrex's vote?
Asking me what I think of spyrex's vote, to me, seems to be asking about its sincerity and its accuracy.
For itssincerity, the spyrex-town I remember from my last game is more than ready to get indignant over something like meta-reasoning and put his vote on top of it. So it doesn't seem out of place, in spite of the fact it's automatically suspect for OMGUS and whatnot. Iirc, Spyrex believes in zero meta. He doesn't want to hear it.
I do want to hear it, I believe meta is part of everything (i'm metaing spyrex right now), and as a result I think Spyrex isinaccuratewith his vote, and he's putting it on Budja because Budja has different game theory beliefs than he does, not because he can actually see a dark force behind his posts.
(not rejecting Budja-scum, rejecting that reasoning. Haven't heard any cases besides Spyrex's as i recall)"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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bolds minescharter wrote:
This was in response to my first post, and already Pops has accused me of faking scumhunting. Please explain how that works.It works when you post content your first post of the game, and that post is scummy.
And yeah, the things I pointed out there are probably insubstantial in the long run, but at that point, that was all I had to go on, so I point it out instead of just an empty post.Thin and silky reasons are fine page one. Absolute thin air isn't allowed at any point in the game.
Please explain how I "want someone else to follow up" on my accusations, and how you determined that off of my first post.
As the scumCharter story goes, and you skepticism is already noted, i think you did it so that if any of those five people gained popularity you could claim founding fatherdom. And because I have never seen such broad and light FoS flinging be used as pro-town scumhunting
Other than a bunch of weak votes from you, I find nearly all of your posts to be reactionary to what other players are saying or doing.
I find myself to be rather proactive. Shall we agree to disagree or can you give me more to work with?
I said "the next cluase of that sentence." I meant part of the same sentence, in context the same sentence in which i OMGUS was mentioned, which means the part I've underlined. (so, underlining mine) So this is miscommunication. The underlined part is parroting, because unless "using that dang sprinkler argument" is in the public consciousness as being a scumtell, you've got more analysis to do to explain how I'm scummy.charter wrote:
In response to this, this is wrong. I'm saying that you claimed to be suspicious of Crypto/Confid, but you didn't do anything with that initially. Just added support to that verbally but didn't actually commit until it was pretty clear Confid was going down, and then you took your vote off immediately afterwards.popsofctown wrote:
The next clause of that sentence is you parroting what I said. Explain why I'm scummy. At the very least, explain how I'm wrong.Charter wrote:298, Pops is a third scum. If I was a daycop this game... His post comes back to OMGUS on me,then accuse me of "sprinkler scumhunting" on page five or whatever. Also claims to be suspicious of the Crypto/Confid pairing but does nothing about it.
Here is your opening post:Charter wrote: After a quick reflection, I think that the scummiest thing you've done is accusing me of faking my scumhunting after my first post, which I want you to describe how you arrived at a clearly wrong conclusion.
I italicized mere information. I colored the analysis bright red with blue polka dots. I am sooo not a fan of thread narrators, and that's why I jumped on you out of the gate.charter wrote:VOTE SPYREX!Traitorous scum!
Now that that is out of the way, I think pops is scum. I actually have like five likely scum candidates, which is kind of awesome. Others to include: imaginality, Energetic Penguin, and hitogoroshi.
unvote, vote Pops
Pops for his K7 tangent and his 'why aren't you opposed to Hoopla's avatar' comments.
imaginality for posting to say he isn't going to post.
Energetic Penguin for his FOS of Sigma and then vote for Hoopla.
hitogoroshi because I don't like his last two posts.
I don't think sigma is scum.
Zero votes on Energetic Penguin isn't the way I recall it, but maybe so. Even so, public opinion against EP was polarizing so EP was a viable alternative to ConfidAnon, and i decided if I could kill one on the spot it would be EP so that's who I voted for.Charter wrote: I don't think a townie would have possibly thought that up. Next scummiest would be saying you're suspicious of Confid as he's going down, and then voting someone else who had no votes. Pretty clear you're scum.
@all - Can we not cuss ITT? If you'll indulge me."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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IioA is one of the best tells ever. For serious."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I can't recall a game without it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Those are conclusions, but not analysis. One might infer that analysis was used to get to these conclusions, but none of that analysis is on the page. I don't want to see: "charter wrote: You forgot to color the part of my post where I call them "likely scum candidates" since I'm pretty sure that their posts weren't tagged with a "hey guys, I'm scum" stamp. That is me analyzing their posts. I also gave my analysis on sigma saying I don't think he's scum, since he was the top voteholder at the time, but hey, I guess that's just me keeping all my options open like you're saying.X is scum". I don't want to see "X is scum. X made a post comparing my behavior to sprinklers." I want to see "X is scum. X made a postcomparing my behavior to sprinklers. Thisis scummy because i think he's doing it just to slow the day's scumhunting down, which is something scum want to do, and if you look here and here....."
Something like that is real scumhunting. Not what you posted. Most of your first post followed that second pattern.
[by the by, to keep semantics and the heart of the argument separate, I am not actually sure whether what's in Charter's post follows Webster's version of analysis, and will happily quit using the word "analysis" if Charter or anyone thinks I'm misusing it.]"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I feel empowered by the mod.Prod Energetic Penguin"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Oh, actually he posted yesterday. the pace of this game is so confusing
unprod energetic penguin"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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You don't post pure gut feelings in thread. I thought everyone like, knew that. It does absolutely no good."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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what made you know it was a foolish thing to say without knowing it was false?
Theory mistakes aren't scummy, but here that's really just a context in which you contradicted yourself, which is what's concerning."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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580 agreed."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Vi. We don't talk about that game.
shutupihateyouihateyouihateyoueknitswasscumandwhytheflipwasthereagiantbandwagononthatobviouslytownalignedpooroldwomanraahhhgaaaah
Anyway, yeah, I like rofl 617. Remember how I already got onto him once for doing the same thing?
Pads, you seem to want to lynch an active over an inactive, that's never my philosophy. As long as the inactive is scummy (and EP is), then that's the better choice because that person is least likely to provice you with more information about his or her alignment"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Thanks for the appeal to fear, but I already tried dealing with my psychological injury by killing Redcoyote all the time wherever he is, and he flipped town PR, and it made me feel very bad inside. I'll find you a link if you want, but no one else you know was there.Vi wrote:
Then if you don't want a rerun of the result, you will wagon RedCoyote.popsofctown 621 wrote:Vi. We don't talk about that game.
For some reason that actually seemed like a good strategy until he flipped and i felt horrible, but now I've rejected it. I'm going to try to read RedCoyote instead, and wagon him if he deserves it. As it stands, EP is by far the play.
TBH, if you mentioned nonny's name three more times in the thread I would actually probably PTSD and unvote , vote Redcoyote, repeatedly, in a loop, in six consecutive posts. You know what let's not talk about that game. At all.
@Sigma- policy lynching Vi, seriously? She posts. You know what he's up to. Don't think about lynching people for affecting the enjoyment of the game, because if that's a reason then Hoopla and her avatar are soooooooooooooooooooo dead. It has to be something hurting the town, and the negative effects of Vi's verbosity is acorns compared to a lurker supplying zero informmation about his/her alignment."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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You forgot "I don't care that his avatar is an adorable bunny."crypto wrote: Everyone's blind trust of Roflcopter is finally starting to piss me off. I don't care how good he is or how consistent (i.e., lacking in substance) his meta is. Very annoying.
Because that's really the kicker for me. It's such a sincere looking bunny."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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That was exactly my reaction to it. Quit scaring me sigma.sigma wrote:
I was leaning towards crypto's innocence, but this is actually a really good point. Tossing off something like "there are two scum groups, genius" makes sense for an emotional townie, but to follow it up later with "I wouldn't be surprised if there's only one scumteam" seems really strange.charter wrote: His latest backtrack of "I would not be surprised if there is only one scumteam" is just trying to cover his tracks, but now he's flip flopped again.
I like CSL better at this point, but crypto is looking more like a decent lynch.
His different languages post made me lol though.
I could see someone taking 2 scumteams as the flavor, but saying "There are two scumteams you idiot" as a declaration IMPLIES you would be surprised to be wrong, not "I wouldn't be surprised if there is one scumteam".
As for actually speculating on how many factions there are, I think the flavor is intentionally left ambiguous, but we know there is a crossfire theme. I think the mod is definitely reserving the right to have one mafia with (maybe with duplicates of roles like a united mob? That'd be cool) and have "crossfire" between that group and an SK. Or between that group and a dayvig (you know, like the daykiller already confirmed to be in the town? that's crossfire...)
But Sigma, you're wrong for picking out EP. Look at his posts. It's BAD.
You can look back at his post, he voted ConfidAnon with zero general justification, but later has reasons. Why did he have to be asked to give reasons for a vote? Since he's new (?) might be more of an open question than i think. But it gets worse.Energetic Penguin wrote:
He voted for someone who just said they weren't gonna be around til sunday and didn't provide a reason for his vote. But know I think aboutsigma wrote:
Good point. Question: Why did you vote for ConfidAnon?EnergyPenguin wrote: I am new here and none of you have ever played with me yet you voted for someone who others here have played with.
it I was being a bit hypocritical.
Anyway,
Vote: Hoopola
for blatant bandwagoning and a very yucky avatar.
The famous one. He totally sheeps other people's reasons, doesn't even pretend to take ownership of the vote. Then he misinterprets my post to be an expectation of more content from hoopla rather than a declaration that an appreciable amount is there (that's an explanation, it's not scummy unless you're from the "scum skim the thread" school of thought).Energetic Penguin wrote:Pops, awesome new avatar.
I currently find confianon scummy for the things already brought up and if Pops insists that hoopola will actually post content then I'm gonna,
Unvote, Vote: Confidanon
Picks out just one thing when he comes back from a long (postcount) break, but doesn't create a new case or do much of anything, though his former vote target is dead. EP, do you even know ConfidAnon is dead? He's dead you know.Energetic Penguin wrote:@hitogoshi: I Haven't been paying as much attention as I should to this game and I have been inconsistent so I apologize.
This seems to me like scum fishing for a power role.Idiotking wrote:Hiphop is active lurking. I can't decide if that's scummy enough to warrant a vote, though; it's possible that he's got a perfectly towny reason to lay low, though I don't know exactly what it could be.
Sheepy opportunism. Ok, there's no unvote here, so EP does know what happened. I still don't like the amount of independent thought coming from EP.Energetic Penguin wrote:
I agree with Ek on this. he stated it as a fact, mafia could only be certain of this, soelvis_knits wrote:There are two scum groups. (Stated as fact)
There are probably two scum groups. (Assumption).Vote: Crypto
@ EP- why didn't you revote Hoopla once ConfidAnon died? Why do you seem utterly uninterested in influencing anyone's vote?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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So anyway guys, sometimes i post before i finish reading a page. It's funner that way.
But reading the rest of the page, I saw Crypto quote himself and Charter's paraphrasing seems way too strong. As it actually was, Crypto never waffled and there's nothing wrong with crypto as far as the last two pages go at least."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Ugh. That creates so much back and forth that I have to actually go back to pages i've already read to see for sure...charter wrote:
I didn't paraphrase anything, I quoted his words. Crypto did backtrack.popsofctown wrote:So anyway guys, sometimes i post before i finish reading a page. It's funner that way.
But reading the rest of the page, I saw Crypto quote himself and Charter's paraphrasing seems way too strong. As it actually was, Crypto never waffled and there's nothing wrong with crypto as far as the last two pages go at least.
His quote where he made everything large he said first, then later he said "Again, I would not be surprised if there is only one scum team" after he was called on his claimed fact.
Yeah, he does say it. Kind of backpedalish, and reminiscent of the bizarre "is IIoA a good tell" discussion. But reading it in context it's not as bad. as when you quoted it.
Hey, i'll post this now, bet by the time I've read up someone will have said something and i won't be a double poster."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Why does Spyro make me laugh so? Why?SpyreX wrote:
Hi, my name is unnecessarily loaded question, how are you doing today?Mae wrote:@ Everyone who is making excuses to cover crypto: why are you making excuses?
LOOK, can we all just come together, hold hands and lynch Budja. Its the right choice, and we all know it deep in our hearts.
lol!SpyreX wrote:You know we could all just do the mod a fav and go ahead and lynch Budja.
Just saying.
I mean after all that hard work not keeping up, wagoning, defending said wagon under not one but multiple spurious (and mimicked) reasons.
We should just give that spot a rest. A permanent one.
Might want to consider doing that for CSL. Replacing out in his fashion is very much against the spirit of mafia, and so is lynching him, but, what can you do? If that's his pattern (there was too many posts to go through in that newbie Vi, did he replace out?) then that's probably how we have to vote.
I'm saying it mournfully because mafia isn't supposed to be about voting people for that reason, not because CSL wasn't formerly high on my list. He was right under EP (i had the mental list going and i kept on waiting for someone to ask about it but no one did )"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Oh, reading this reminded me that I didn'tcrypto wrote:Pops, if someone does something scummy, you lynch them for it. It doesn't matterwhatit is. That's how it works.
This is a twenty-five-player game. We'll have more than enough chances for more orthodox lynches.unvote, vote: CSL. Sorry about that."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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@IK: because the act of replacing + other stuff he's done has put him past the threshhold for lynchery. It's exceedingly rare for someone to actually do something that makes their slot less scummy. The way mafia works, everyone starts at zero and starts dipping into negative numbers. Maybe if you play awesome, the whole game, craziness, you get up to 1 or 2. But mostly people just get more and more scummy, that's just how it works.
Another way to put it, here's an analogy. A five year old who isn't old enough to make eye contact and lie and a 10-year career con man break a vase together. You walk in and see the vase in pieces. You ask the five year old who broke the vase and he is decidedly unconvincing when he tells you "we didn't play catch with the vase because that would be wrong!" Should I ask the con man who broke the vase? Should I even adjust my opinion after listening to someone who is comparatively superior in deception?
In the same way, it's pointless to listen to the replacement. In all likelihood he'll be a better player who seems more pro-town, but CSL supplied information about his role more accurately, just like the five year old supplies information about the vase more accurately.
Actually, I could say it's like checking the time on a sundial after you've seen it on a Rolex.
Or like asking a family doc for a second opinion on what your cardiologist said about your heart.
Note to self: don't try to do analogies or expect to stop, ever."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Where is Psychologic? I can't wait for his first post!! I am eagerly awaiting his arrival."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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EM?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I heard there's a magical place on the internet where people play mafia games and there are no needs for replacement, ever. It's a magical land of mystery and wonder. You know where it is? Me neither."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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How do you know this crypto? Did you spectate one?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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My subtlety goes to waste? Oh well."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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my post is directed at 769 btw"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Hoopla's avatar is very unpleasant to look at."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'm trying to think of something CSL could claim where i still wouldn't lynch him."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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WIFOM much? Besides Vi, we know you would get WAY too bored doing that. We know you."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I think the reaction to the speed of the CSL wagon is nothing short of ridiculous.
Hey guys, maybe, it's not that complicated... maybe, people who are more scummy are more likely to get voted. And CSL is really, really scummy so TONS of people voted him.
I saw no reaction of the kind to ConfidAnon's wagon, which had only slightly slower speed and much weaker reasons."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Wait, doesn't hasgdfas go to michigan state university?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Imma make my meatworld friends play mafia.
Can't make my roommate do it. He's a total jock. Such a loser.
I wonder how much offtopic space i get before spyrex mislynches me for fluff again."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Female avatar + male identity = popsfusion and tisorder.
it's a nice picture though."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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more info on what?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I think the guy reading unbolded text (as far as i can tell) in our 8-page-a-day game is aREALmod.
And zoraster's avatar is awesome. Good avatars make me so happy."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Dude, who cares if it's twilight. I like, live here. I spent more time in this thread than i did in my room today.
Spyrex pass me a beer."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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