Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)
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You can spread your money over three different candidates if you wish. Seems like a more conservative approach though.RayFrost wrote:
Can I do a three pick for slightly decreased return odds?Hoopla wrote:Ray, if I gave you 5 Hoopla Fun Dollars (HF$) to bet on today's lynch, with return odds of 25/1 for everyone. Who would you bet on?-
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Probably the last three, although you're right, it isn't as bad as I made it out to be. I'm still going to vote you anyway.SpyreX wrote: I love the quick jump to NOISE considering of the whole 7 posts I have what ones are true noise? My confirm? My random silliness to start things off?
My others posts while still joking around ARE saying things. If that bit of joking is too much noise to see what I'm saying well... it looks like the mood is getting somber enough that it'll go away anywho.
REAL BOY reads? No. Although, recent events sure have given me something to dance with.
Vote: Budja
Unvote, vote: SpyreX-
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Just go for the bus now, rather than later. It'll look better for you.Maemuki wrote:Ugh. Does that mean I'll have to read one of SpyreX's games so I can see what's the difference between his play now and his usual-town/usual-scum play?
Niice.*rolls eyes*
See you in a few hours then, unless you want to explain what the differences are, Vi/hiphop/Budja/etc, etc.-
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Wow, I wish I had another vote to put on crypto. So much BAD POSTING on page 11; pithy one-liners, waiting for people to ask him questions about his votes, and when they do it's merely a 'hunch'. This goes along with his answering questions with questions and being generally useless and a waste of space.
Myhunch is that crypto is scum.-
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crypto wrote:
Why are you so eager to fend me off?Maemuki wrote:
What activated that hunch?crypto wrote:
A hunch?Maemuki wrote:Why?crypto wrote:What if I refused to tell you what "activated" it?crypto wrote:Because I think you're scum. Thinking you're scum ≠ wanting to lynch you.
Okay, screw bandwagons. This is so much better.
Unvote, vote: crypto-
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To elaborate on this point yesterday, I'd much rather have a little less information by pushing out an earlier than usual lynch, if it means D1 will become easier to analyse. Games with 40+ page D1's tend to require another 20 just to sift through it all, and a lot of people won't read the thread in that situation, resorting to the out of context, watered down tactic of iso-reading. More information is better is not always true, when towns aren't capable of analysing it properly.Hoopla wrote:ConfidAnon, crypto or SpyreX need to be lynched by page 25. If day 1 goes any longer than that, I think I'm going to cry.
Having said that, this seems to be partially solved by a day kill. Lets start up a new wagon on crypto please.-
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Idiotking's rolefishing seems too blatant to actually be able to possibly work. His other posts pique my interest many times more - he has a fake air about everything he says. I won't accuse him of lurking/active lurking yet as it's early, and he said he wasn't available to Sunday, but the fact he accused hiphop of active lurking is a little odd.
Note the tentative language used by Idiotking (in green);
Excuses, outs, and general fakeness in blue;
Idiotking wrote:Sigh. Finished rereading. You people are evil, I hate youall, do you hear me?
Hiphopme.bothers(they're mostly one-line and have very little substance) makes me think he's just trying to float by without actually doing anything substantial. For example, his last two posts are more concerned with chiding people for word count rather than doing something useful.Something about his postslike active lurking to me,It just seemseven though the game's only been going for this long.
I don't think Crypto is suspicious either, given my knowledge of his play style. He does tend to make a whole lot of pretty meaningless posts, though when he does make a meaningful one it is substantial.
about either ConfidAnon for SpyreX.I don't know.I just... I can't get a read on either of them, so maybe I'll be able to get a picture of them now that I'm available to post.Then again, I do tend to have difficulty seeing scumminess on rereads
His first paragraph describing hiphop's play is the most suspect, when you consider how many words he uses to articulate a very simple point. It's the definition of filler.Idiotking wrote:Hiphop is active lurking.I can't decidethat he's got a perfectly towny reason to lay low, thoughit's possibleexactly what it could be.I don't know
If I can't get votes on crypto, I'm swapping to Idiotking.-
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Why haven't you put a vote down on anyone in 17 pages?Idiotking wrote:@Hoopla:
To hell with concision. I'm a wordy person. Get used to it.
And feel free to check my meta. I'm using the same phrases I've always used, and since your main problem with my posts seem to be my word choice, there's little I can say in my defense.-
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Ray ---> <---Idiotking
Seriously, I don't think anyone else other than you two is going to bother reading your arguments. Ray, make a concise, clear analysis in your next post or don't bother. Idiotking, stop fueling him.
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Idiotking, I flicked through a couple of your town games, and I understand your use of language. It weakens my case slightly, but you don't have any completed scum games to compare this to. I'm always hesitant to release a case when someone brings up their own meta though - anyone who is aware how they act as town is also capable of manipulating it.
I did notice your voting pattern too, while I was there. Throughout those games, you random voted 5 out of 6 times, and in the only large game your fourth post of the game was this;
Which is funny when you consider how adamently you pointed out Ray's piggybacking.Idiotking wrote:Vote zwet
For reasons previously listed by others.-
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That's really bad. Being mafia is part of the game - you should NEVER replace out because you got a role you don't like.Idiotking wrote: And as a note on why I don't have any completed scum games, there's a very simple answer for this. Every single time I've gotten a mafia role, I've replaced out. I would rather actuallywina game as town before I seriously try my hand as scum, so I've always replaced out to give the scum team a chance.-
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No. It's REALLY bad for so many different reasons.Idiotking wrote: It's not so much that I don't like getting scum (I kinda enjoy being scum on another site I frequent). It's the fact that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I don't know how to be scum on this site. It's more for the sake of the scumteam than anything else. I join a game, play for a few days, and freeze. I can't think of what to do, so I do nothing. And when that happens, I can only replace out. Hell, it's not even that I haven't tried. It's that I never succeed in overcoming that freeze.
1) Replacements are hard enough to find as it, without people leaving for role related reasons.
2) If you ever replace out in the future for genuine reasons it could incriminate your replacement, and cause wifom guess games about why you left which detracts from scumhunting.
3) You learn from your mistakes. You're never going to improve if you don't play the game.
You have no excuses for pussying out and making the game less fun for people.-
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No, if they're THAT scummy, we should be lynching them - easy lynch or not. In large games, I kind of like tidying up with policy lynches on D1. Players like CSL, crypto, Infinis, Idiotking and Energetic Penguin are good candidates and I doubt will be hot nightkill choices - there's a chance the town doesn't have a vig.Vi wrote:
If they're THAT scummy, it's a crosskill. A bit risky, but etc.Hoopla 627 wrote:Why would another scum group target these players?
I don't read people who are usually lynched D1 very well, and thus don't bother with them because everyoneelsewants them dead for reasons that practically make themselves - regardless of whether they're actually scum or not. I agree that they shouldn't live to the late game mostly because I don't trust them to make good use of their votes if Town, but I would prefer that they were sniped by the Vig while we attempt to more reliably find scum during the Day. Like what I'm doing with RedCoyote, a wagon I would very much like to get started.
Plus, again, easy wagon.
Lynching someone like Idiotking is a bonus, because he's actually scummy as well.-
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Why are you so eager to defend crypto?Vi wrote:
Regardless of how scummy you think he is, I don't think he qualifies as a village idiot or policy lynch.Hoopla 634 wrote:
Why do you think he wouldn't be?Vi wrote:
Why is crypto on this list?Hoopla 632 wrote:Players like CSL, crypto, Infinis, Idiotking and Energetic Penguin-
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He was stating it as a fact, in an attempt to discredit charter's post. I think because he actually used it as a rebuttal, it seems more like a genuine scumslip.sigma wrote:Explain your crypto votes please. All of you who are voting Crypto for assuming that there are two scum groups should explain why they're not voting vi for assuming that there are two scum groups. (I don't think either is a scum tell, the flavor obviously implies two scum groups, even if it's not a certainty.)-
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My crypto parody obviously went unappreciated. I'll spell it out to at least appease this one point.Vi wrote: *Hoopla (not at all seeing the Hoopla-obv-Town, definitely seeing the Hoopla-obv-wagoning - plus that blatant misrepresentation of me apparently defending crypto wasreallytelling)
Me (awesome):
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Why are you so eager to defend crypto?Vi wrote:
Regardless of how scummy you think he is, I don't think he qualifies as a village idiot or policy lynch.Hoopla 634 wrote:
Why do you think he wouldn't be?Vi wrote:
Why is crypto on this list?Hoopla 632 wrote:Players like CSL, crypto, Infinis, Idiotking and Energetic Penguin
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I don't think so ...SpyreX wrote:
Que? Sure you didn't get the names mixed up there?My ConfidAnon vote was random. I think Maemuki is more scummy.
A hunch?Maemuki wrote:Why?crypto wrote:
Why are you so eager to fend me off?Maemuki wrote: What activated that hunch?
--crypto wrote:What if I refused to tell you what "activated" it?
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Sorry for the multiple posting, but this issue really needs to be addressed and taken seriously:
crypto, Vi and at times Ray, your posting is seriously a joke. There is no need to post that much. Most people will only skim what you have to say, which makes finding genuine content difficult to spot. The amount of insightful, memorable posts you've made collectively, I can count on two hands.
Not only is it a bitch to read, it also forces half the town into submission, a perpetual state of feeling behind. The people I've highlighted in red have already been replaced, or seriously risk being replaced because of your play.
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This is one of the main reasons why I wanted a shorter Day 1. It prevents this type of bullshit that is going to be ridiculously annoying to process on Day 2. We need to lower the town numbers soon, rather than just waffling. 25 pages was my cap, but by the way we're going, it'll be more like 45. THIS ISN'T GOOD FOR THE TOWN.
Vi, stop chasing targets that have no realistic chance of getting lynched. You seem to be hung up on not going for easy targets, but the reason they're easy targets is because they're scummy! Scummy players deserve to be lynched. Try it, you'll like it.-
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It's better if we don't have to find someone new, wait for them to catch up, make a post, argue with them. CSL was scummy enough to be lynched - the replacement gaff is just a nice little bonus. The only thing that sucks about the situation is not getting a claim, but I doubt CSL would have replaced out if he was something awesome like a vigilante.Idiotking wrote:And that's what annoys me. There's always this nagging possibility that CSL was a moron, but a townie one. I just feel icky not giving another player a chance.
I'm willing to compromise.
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More like, no harm in making sure you're on the wagon when he flips, right?imaginality wrote:I think that puts us into the 24 hour zone of impending lynchiness.
Does another vote on the CSL wagon count for anything much now?
Probably not, he looks pretty much strung up - I don't see the majority vote changing in the next 24 hours (even in a game this fast). But no harm in helping y'all kick the stool from under his feet.
Unvote,
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I can't believe we lost this! We were doing so well. But I suppose pops and hiphop played well at the end (I kind of zoned out in the middle) - their night kills were sensible.
I'm dazzled by the plurality rule and probably wouldn't play it again - it's unnecessary, and seems to add complexity just for the sake of it. A couple of months ago, I asked you about the benfits of plurality voting, which you said you couldn't go into detail about due to this game being run by it. I kind of want to know about those reasons, because I think later on that page Ectomancer hits the nail on the head;
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If it is standard you should be able to discuss the mechanic regardless of whether a game is running or not. Your statement illustrates that even you don't believe it to be standard or common.zoraster wrote:When I don't have a game currently running using it, I'll go more into the advantages (and disadvantages, which are significant but not the one SensFran has brought up) of it. I'm not sure it's fair to go into it right now as it's too specifically applicable to a game rather than merely general theory.-
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Oops, Zoraster. When I was talking about plurality lynching, I was incorporating the lynch+24 aspect into it as well, which is where most of the complexity and my criticism lies.
Lynch+24 doesn't make sense to me - once a decision to lynch someone is decided, you don't need an extra 24 hours for players to decide again who to lynch. It also makes it unfair if you miss this 24 hour window because of whatever reasons. Scrambling for deadlines by towns are the worst, but having to wait out a scrambling period every lynch without choice seems very unnecessary, and alters tactics in ways that don't seem normal to me.
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