Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[Ellibereth]

6 pages in 3 hours?
Reading now, but at a glance I disagree with Neto's above post very much.
And what's the vote count about right now?

[Ellibereth]

Skimmed through fast once.
Like Mae and Kmd.
Don't like Neto.

Vote: Neto

[Ellibereth]

Mae: Not saying that SK should have made more posts, I'm saying that the posts that he/she has made are essentially contentless while attempting to look progressive.

Yeah. You too.

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Neto:
ISO 0: RV
ISO 1: Theoy crap
ISO 2: More theory crap
ISO 3: More theory crap
ISO 4: More theory crap
ISO 5: More theory crap
ISO 6: More theory crap
ISO 7: Still theory
ISO 8: You don't want Bogre lynch
ISO 9: Not content
ISO 10: Gives "light reads" without your favorite reasons. Followed by theory crap.
ISO 11: Anwsers quesion.
ISO 12: Says Net's post is useless.
ISO 13: See 11.
ISO 14: Explainging why you posted all the theory crap
ISO 15: Irrelevant
ISO 16: More theory comments...
ISO 17: Still talking about voting theory
ISO 18: Asks others for read.
ISO 19: Theory
ISO 20: Content. Kerri Net comparison
ISO 21: Not Content
ISO 22: Reexplains 20

Most of your posts aren't content. And no, all the theory crap is not content.

[Ellibereth]

It is when people ask me about theory crap.

Also, "Don't like Neto" is not a justification for a vote - in fact, your latest post is the only one with any content either.

"Don't like Neto" is more than enough justification for a note.
You're not even denying most of your posts were outright pointless.

[Ellibereth]

Ann, ongoing game.
And that Iso thing was to show how little Neto has actually done. Only 4 or so of the posts are the type of content he wants from everyone else.

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I'm wearing 9 layers of clothing. It's freaking cold.

This is very true though. 6 layers here.

[Ellibereth]

By the way, I was totally going to make the obligatory "pics or it didn't happen" re: camn and Haylen, but I decided to be the bigger man. For once.

LOL GLORK.

[Ellibereth]

By the way, I was totally going to make the obligatory "pics or it didn't happen" re: camn and Haylen, but I decided to be the bigger man. For once.

That would require a different ort of photo proof.


Elli, I know, but that comment of mine is going in my sig so I thought I'd share.

Do you agree or disagree with my evaluation of his play so far?

[Ellibereth]

Hai, I'm

12

15.

Vote Gayle

[Ellibereth]

Hai, I'm

12

15.

Vote Gayle

After reading your post I found myself at a complete loss as to how to respond. Luckily, I was connected to the internet and so was able to search google for an answer. After reading many examples posted on these most informative internets, I have gathered that the accepted way to respond is

Proper Response

Hai, I'm 12 15.

Vote Gayle

DERP DERP

If you are not satisfied with this response, please notify me and I will search again, though I believe that the above is the proper and most accepted way.

Also,

VOTE: Ellibereth

.

The internet informs me that this is called an OMGUS and is an indispensable tool of the scumhunter. There is little reason for the vote, but if there is one thing I have learned from your fine example good sir it is that it is fine to vote and then make up reasons later. Please call me out so that I might make a misleading summary of your posts.

[Ellibereth]

I knowz, Garfield rocks.
Is your vote on me because you think I've contributed the least original content?

[Ellibereth]

My vote on you is because I feel that you are intentionally attempting to impeded the progress of the game by not posting content and by distraction.

A) Compare my content to Gayle, Hayl, and Net's.
B) What is different between my comic Gayle's last post and Glork's last few posts.

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The problem isn't just the comic, it's the combination of the comic, your basic assertions that "X is scum", "Y is town" etc, without backing up and your cryptic PBPA which really doesn't elaborate on anything other than whether each of my posts pushes me further towards town or scum. You need to explain why you feel something is scummy. That was and has always been my problem with you.

Glork has explained himself. Gayle has as well. You have not.

Scummy as hell ^^^
Methinks Neto/Gayle are scumz.

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I'm not asking if his side won or lost. I mean, were his own ultimate suspicions more or less accurate?

Not much of a sample.
4 games that I've died in, two were town, two were scum.
I think I dead pretty well in an ongoing one. Go to my wiki page.

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Do you think that Elli's reasons were "wrong" in the previous game where he ultimately found/voted/lynched/whetevered the scums?

Ongoing game, Neto was the scum.

[Ellibereth]

Glork, what do you think about Neto?

Vote: Neto

[Ellibereth]

You were already voting me, Ellibereth.

I was? I thought it was still on Gayle.

[Ellibereth]

Now, Ellibreth..

Why is Gayle scum?

If Neto's scum (he is), then it's very likely Gayle's scum with him. It's a feeling I get from Neto's posts from 179-184.
My original vote on Gayle was for not commenting on anything in two posts. His 3rd was just a direct (sarcastic) reaction to my vote, nothing else. I just get scummy vibes from him.

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Camn, I was saying that if Neto is willing to vote for me because of the comic, why wasn't he willing to vote others for messing around too? He also accused me of having no original content. Methinks Gayle has less. My point was that he chose me over Gayle.
Townreads on Kmd+Mae are gut.

Neto's still scum.

[Ellibereth]

Couple of nice mis-reps there, but If I'm not willing to be held accountable for the reason for my vote, then I shouldn't vote.
Voting with no reason, or for "Shites and giigles" is not helpful because there's nothing you can be held accountable for if you're wrong. I'm always suspicious of people who don't give reasons because there is one group who know they will appear wrong when someone flips town, and that is the scum.

I find it doubly worrying that when asked for the reasons, and said why I wanted them, there's no real answer. (At least to the point I'm up to)

Hi. Who do you think is scum? Reasoning is not mandatory.

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Camn, I was saying that if Neto is willing to vote for me because of the comic, why wasn't he willing to vote others for messing around too? He also accused me of having no original content. Methinks Gayle has less. My point was that he chose me over Gayle.
Townreads on Kmd+Mae are gut.

Neto's still scum.

Wow, what a misrepresentation. I wasn't voting you because of the comic, although it was the final nail in the coffin. I was voting you for your meaningless posts that parroted others, made it sound like you were giving content when you didn't and generally being unable to find anything really scummy to say about anybody. Also: Misrepresentation.

Your reasons seems to have changed:

The problem isn't just the comic, it's the combination of the comic, your basic assertions that "X is scum", "Y is town" etc, without backing up and your cryptic PBPA which really doesn't elaborate on anything other than whether each of my posts pushes me further towards town or scum.

Also, Show where I parroted someone.

[Ellibereth]

The PBPA showed that you were full of noise.

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@ Zach: I don't like Netlava anymore. I like you better now, so my vote's gonna move back.

Unvote: Zachrulez. Vote: Netlava.

Haylen: Consider my issues with you not posting content resolved. By the way, if you want to see a game where I started out as town, just check my Wiki. That's what it's there for.

Hi Kerri. What do you think of Neto?

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Something offtopic I want to make clear to Neto:
I'm not going after you because of our last game together. I have harbored no ill feelings toward you from that game, I actually kinda like you. I disagree with you about the way mafia should be played, but I hope you don't continue to think I have some sort of personal feud with you or something. kthx

[Ellibereth]

Ok. We both know we have a very fundamental disagreement about this game. I think it's perfectly acceptable to declare someone scum or town without stated reasoning and based on gut. You obviously don't. I don't want to argue with you about this here, but I'll be happy to talk about it in MD in the future.

Second of all, you do realize I'm not the only one that thinks your scum right? It's clear though that others have gotten scummy feelings from you. And before you say that they've given reasoning, you've declared all the reasons against you as crap.
Why am I criticizing you about your contentless posts? It's because of your stated philosophy. If you're so against it, why do you do it?

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Meh, I accused them before they voted for me.

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Also, I voted Gayle for not commenting on anything.
Neto's voting for me because I'm not expalining everything.
There's a difference.

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Also, Ellibereth, I would like a list of who you think is just making 'noise', and also give a justification as to why your own posts are not noise.

Noone is just making noise with maybe the exception of Gayle.
My posts aren't noise because I've caught scum with them.

I would appreciate an L-1 on Neto.

[Ellibereth]

Why do you think there is a possibility of an accidental hammer?
It's been made pretty clear it would be L-1.
Please put your vote back on.

[Ellibereth]

Some people I think are pro-town, some I have a neutral read on, and a couple of others that I'm a bit suspicious of.

Oh boy! Me too!

[Ellibereth]

Not buying the claim.
Kmd, what was Gayle's program?

[Ellibereth]

Thanks Kmd.
I still say Gayle is scum if Neto is scum.
And we should lynch Neto today.

[Ellibereth]

Zach sees it.
Neto needs to die.

[Ellibereth]

Hey, folks...Sorry about the extended absence. I crashed after my 8-hour drive yesterday and am just now getting awake again.

Hope you're okay man.
Anyway, your idea is complete BS. Moar votes on Neto please.

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I don't feel that all attacks on me are unwarranted,

Orly?

I've been attacked for 95% of this game for absolutely nothing

For the record, I still think that you are all *morons* for your reasoning behind these accusations.

As for other arguments against me, Glork really hasn't provided much of anything in the way of reasoning. KMD's posts are questionable at best. Zach and Haylen haven't really explained that well why they're voting for me either.

Yeah, but I'm at L-2 for crap reasons. That is not enough to substantiate a request for claim.

[Ellibereth]

Ellibereth: Reread

When?

I do realize that Net won't be lynched today.

Why?

[Ellibereth]

*looks at the neto bandwagon* because of that, maybe.

Note: an asterisk by a player's name indicates said player would be lynched if Day were to end right this moment without a lynch majority.

That, or you can help us lynch scum now by voting for him.

[Ellibereth]

Tomorrow is deadline. Netopalis has the most votes anyway, so you will get your way if you just wait. There is no reason to lynch today.

Scum with Neto ^^^

[Ellibereth]

I mistook Net for Netopalis.

Lol I did too.

There is no reason to lynch today.

Why?????

[Ellibereth]

Tomorrow is deadline. Netopalis has the most votes anyway, so you will get your way if you just wait. There is no reason to lynch today.

Scum with Neto ^^^

QFT

Why aren't you voting Neto?

[Ellibereth]

Tomorrow is deadline. Netopalis has the most votes anyway, so you will get your way if you just wait. There is no reason to lynch today.

Scum with Neto ^^^

QFT

Why aren't you voting Neto?

I find Net scummier.

Net wagon isn't happening.

[Ellibereth]

Tomorrow is deadline. Netopalis has the most votes anyway, so you will get your way if you just wait. There is no reason to lynch today.

Scum with Neto ^^^

QFT

Can we lynch maemuki now?

Oh Hai der! Please do something pro-town this game by voting for Netopalis please! kthx.

[Ellibereth]

Why?????

Unless something drastically changes, Netopalis is going to be lynched anyway in several hours. What does rushing the lynch do for anyone?

Let's pretend that if no majority is reached there would be a no lynch. Would you vote for Neto then?

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Unvote, vote: Zachrulez

I think there's a chance that he's scum. Since I know that I'm not...I'd rather the town have a chance of a correct lynch today than a mislynch. The players voting me right now are far from a majority.

Scum in his last throes ^^^

If there are 4 scum amongst us, he

(Zach)

is probably the fourth.

Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with a policy lynch, given that there have been substantial scumhunting efforts made during the day

Therefore, if we're probably going to mislynch anyway, it's best to mislynch the player that will contribute the least.

diediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediediedie

[Ellibereth]

LA for most of tomorrow(today), I'll see what I can do

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How the did hell Net get lynched yesterday??? Can anyone here explain to me the rationale behind that lynch? The last minute shift was completely ridiculous. There was close to 0 chance of a claim....arghrah. It was just ridiculous
Neto should have died yesterday, and he's going to die today. Neto+Gayle+Yos scum. I have a town gut reads on Kerri and Haylen.

Vote: Neto

[Ellibereth]

CAN EVERYONE WHO VOTED FOR NET TELL MY WHY THEY DID SO???

[Ellibereth]

So why is Neto town KMD?

His claim.

Nah. Neto's scum.

[Ellibereth]

Yeah. Neto's scum in all the scenarios. He needs to die.

[Ellibereth]

If Neto is scum, then probably the people who come out looking the worst are Gayle and Mae (Gayle esepcally).

Actually...if Neto is scum and Zach is town, then May leaving her vote on Lava all that time when she could have just moved it to Zach dosn't really make sense. Hmm. Ok, forget that.

Haven't I already told you that Mae is town? Why aren't you taking my word as gospel?

Cuz he's Scumpity Dumpty.

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If Neto is scum, then probably the people who come out looking the worst are Gayle and Mae (Gayle esepcally).

Actually...if Neto is scum and Zach is town, then May leaving her vote on Lava all that time when she could have just moved it to Zach dosn't really make sense. Hmm. Ok, forget that.

Haven't I already told you that Mae is town? Why aren't you taking my word as gospel?

Cuz he's Scumpity Dumpty.

Unlikely. See analysis.

Meh.
I see it as Neto + Gayle + {Hayle, SK, Yos} and my gut reads for Hayle and Kerri are town.
I dunno, Neto just needs to die.

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L-1!!!!!!!
HAMMER GOGOGOGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ellibereth]

Gayle flipping town = Me having to go reevaluate.
brb

[Ellibereth]

Bogre (3) <-~

Gayle

, Glork, Zachrulez
Maemuki (1) <-~

Netopalis

Haylen (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan

Netopalis

(2) <-~

Kmd4390

, Haylen
SaintKerrigan (1) <-~ Bogre
Annachie (1) <-~ Maemuki

Not voting (4) <-~ Annachie,

camn

,

Netlava

,

Ellibereth

-------------------------------
Bogre (3) <-~

Gayle

, Glork, Zachrulez
Maemuki (2) <-~

Netopalis

,

Netlava

Netopalis

(2) <-~

Kmd4390

, Haylen
SaintKerrigan (1) <-~ Bogre
Annachie (1) <-~ Maemuki

Netlava

(1) <-~ SaintKerrigan

Not voting (3) <-~ Annachie,

camn

,

Ellibereth

-------------------------------
Bogre (1) <-~

Gayle

Maemuki (1) <-~

Netopalis

Netopalis

(3) <-~ Haylen, Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

Netlava

(2) <-~ SaintKerrigan,

Kmd4390

Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre

Kmd4390

(1) <-~ Glork

Not voting (4) <-~ Annachie,

camn

,

Netlava

, Maemuki
-------------------------------
Maemuki (2) <-~

Netopalis

, Glork

Netopalis

(2) <-~ Haylen, Zachrulez

Netlava

(2) <-~ SaintKerrigan,

Kmd4390

Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre

Gayle

(1) <-~

Ellibereth

Ellibereth

(1) <-~

Gayle

Not voting (4) <-~ Annachie,

camn

,

Netlava

, Maemuki
-------------------------------
Maemuki (1) <-~ Glork

Netopalis

(3) <-~ Haylen, Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

Netlava

(2) <-~ SaintKerrigan,

Kmd4390

Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre
*

Ellibereth

(3) <-~

Gayle

,

Netopalis

,

camn

Not voting (3) <-~ Annachie,

Netlava

, Maemuki
-------------------------------
Maemuki (1) <-~ Glork
*

Netopalis

(3) <-~ Haylen, Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

Netlava

(2) <-~ SaintKerrigan,

Kmd4390

Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre

Ellibereth

(3) <-~

Gayle

,

Netopalis

,

camn

Not voting (3) <-~ Annachie,

Netlava

, Maemuki
-------------------------------
Maemuki (1) <-~ Glork
*

Netopalis

(4) <-~ Haylen, Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

,

Kmd4390

Zachrulez (2) <-~ Bogre, SaintKerrigan

Ellibereth

(3) <-~

Gayle

,

Netopalis

,

camn

Not voting (3) <-~ Annachie,

Netlava

, Maemuki
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(5) <-~ Haylen, Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

,

Kmd4390

, Glork
Zachrulez (2) <-~ Bogre, SaintKerrigan

Ellibereth

(3) <-~

Gayle

,

Netopalis

,

camn

Not voting (3) <-~ Annachie,

Netlava

, Maemuki
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(4) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

,

Kmd4390

, Glork
Zachrulez (2) <-~ Bogre, SaintKerrigan

Ellibereth

(3) <-~

Gayle

,

Netopalis

,

camn

Not voting (4) <-~ Annachie,

Netlava

, Maemuki, Haylen
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(5) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

,

Kmd4390

, Glork, Haylen
Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre

Ellibereth

(3) <-~

Gayle

,

Netopalis

,

camn

Netlava

(1) <-~ SaintKerrigan

Not voting (3) <-~ Annachie,

Netlava

, Maemuki
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(5) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

,

Kmd4390

, Glork, Haylen
Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre

Ellibereth

(2) <-~

Netopalis

,

camn

Netlava

(1) <-~ SaintKerrigan
Maemuki (1) <-~

Netlava

Not voting (3) <-~ Annachie, Maemuki,

Gayle

-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(5) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

,

Kmd4390

, Glork, Haylen
Zachrulez (2) <-~ Bogre, SaintKerrigan

Ellibereth

(2) <-~

Netopalis

,

camn

Maemuki (1) <-~

Netlava

Not voting (3) <-~ Annachie, Maemuki,

Gayle

-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(5) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

,

Kmd4390

, Glork, Haylen
Zachrulez (2) <-~ Bogre, SaintKerrigan

Ellibereth

(2) <-~

Netopalis

,

camn

Maemuki (1) <-~

Netlava

Not voting (3) <-~ Maemuki,

Gayle

, Annachie
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(3) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

, Haylen
Zachrulez (2) <-~ Bogre,

Kmd4390

Ellibereth

(2) <-~

Netopalis

,

camn

Maemuki (1) <-~

Netlava

Netlava

(1) <-~ Maemuki
Haylen (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan

Not voting (3) <-~

Gayle

, Annachie, Glork
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(3) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

, Haylen
Zachrulez (3) <-~ Bogre,

Kmd4390

, SaintKerrigan

Ellibereth

(2) <-~

Netopalis

,

camn

Maemuki (1) <-~

Netlava

Netlava

(1) <-~ Maemuki

Not voting (3) <-~

Gayle

, Annachie, Glork
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(4) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

, Haylen, Glork
Zachrulez (3) <-~ Bogre,

Kmd4390

, SaintKerrigan

Ellibereth

(2) <-~

Netopalis

,

camn

Maemuki (1) <-~

Netlava

Netlava

(1) <-~ Maemuki

Not voting (2) <-~

Gayle

, Annachie
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(4) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

, Haylen, Glork
Zachrulez (3) <-~ Bogre,

Kmd4390

,

Netopalis

Ellibereth

(1) <-~

camn

Maemuki (1) <-~

Netlava

Netlava

(2) <-~ Maemuki, SaintKerrigan

Not voting (2) <-~

Gayle

, Annachie
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(5) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

, Haylen, Glork,

camn

Zachrulez (5) <-~ Bogre,

Kmd4390

,

Netopalis

,

Gayle

, SaintKerrigan
Maemuki (1) <-~

Netlava

Netlava

(1) <-~ Maemuki

Not voting (1) <-~ Yosarian2
-------------------------------

Netopalis

(4) <-~ Zachrulez,

Ellibereth

, Glork,

camn

Zachrulez (2) <-~ Bogre,

Kmd4390

Maemuki (1) <-~

Netlava

*

Netlava

(6) <-~ Maemuki,

Netopalis

, Yosarian2, Haylen, SaintKerrigan,

Gayle

Gayle

(1) <-~ Bogre
*

Netopalis

(4) <-~ Glork,

Ellibereth

, Zachrulez, Haylen
Bogre (2) <-~ SaintKerrigan, Maemuki
Haylen (1) <-~

Gayle

Not voting (3) <-~ Yosarian2,

Netopalis

,

Kmd4390

-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(4) <-~ Glork,

Ellibereth

, Zachrulez, Haylen
Bogre (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan
Haylen (1) <-~

Gayle

Yosarian2 (1) <-~

Kmd4390

Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre

Not voting (3) <-~ Yosarian2,

Netopalis

, Maemuki
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(4) <-~ Glork,

Ellibereth

, Zachrulez, Haylen
Bogre (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan
Haylen (1) <-~

Gayle

Yosarian2 (1) <-~

Kmd4390

Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre

Not voting (3) <-~ Yosarian2,

Netopalis

, Maemuki
-------------------------------
*

Netopalis

(6) <-~ Glork,

Ellibereth

, Zachrulez, Haylen,

Gayle

,

Kmd4390

Bogre (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan
Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre

Not voting (3) <-~ Yosarian2,

Netopalis

, Maemuki

[Ellibereth]

Glork is town.
Haylen is most likely town.
Mae is most likely town.
Yos is town unless Zach is scum.
If there was a busser on Neto wagon it's most likely Zach.
At least one of {Yos, Kerri, Bogre} is scum.

Possible configurations:
Neto, Kerri, Bogre
Neto, Kerri, Zach
Neto, Bogre, Zach
Neto, Zach, Yos

[Ellibereth]

The first one is the most likely.

Vote: Kerri

[Ellibereth]

The first one is the most likely.

Vote: Kerri

Yet you listed Zach in 3/4 combinations, and Kerri only in 2/4.

Possibilities are not equally likely.

[Ellibereth]

Eeeh...Glork?

Why do you want Bogre to claim?

He's on about the same level as Kerri suspicion wise.

[Ellibereth]

Nah. Hayle is town.
The Bogre question was as obvious as asking what 1+1 is, I don't see anything wrong with me answering it.
NEED MOAR BOGRE CLAIM!!!!!!!!!!

[Ellibereth]

I'm hoping Bogre has the common sense to claim without being L-1'ed. If he demands to be run up, I will be happy to oblige.
I've already said that Kerri + Bogre is the most likely scum combo.

[Ellibereth]

Unvote, Vote Bogre

[Ellibereth]

L-1.
Kerri's posts today have given me much better vibes. Gets moved to the number 2 spot.

[Ellibereth]

I'm still leaning Bogre over Kerri today.

[Ellibereth]

Neto, Kerri, Bogre

Neto, Kerri, Zach

Neto, Bogre, Zach

Neto, Zach, Yos

Zach has to be scum.

pseudovote: Zach

Will reread thread one more time later, prepared to vote for him.

[Ellibereth]

Don't believe Zach at all. Have had a town read on Haylen all day.
I'm prepared to hammer whenev but a few comments I want to get in:

I agree to the most part with Yos's plan, with one huge major difference: I think Yos is the most probably partner for Zach. I find Mae town, so Haylen's kill tonight should be between Kerri and Yos IMO.

[Ellibereth]

Lol. I'm REALLY not comfortable with the weight of the game resting on my kill tonight. I'm not that good with kills, as you've already seen and I think I'd prefer it if we discussed amongst each other who I kill tonight and decide that way.

Yos or Kerri.

[Ellibereth]

Actually, there's a much easier way to do this.

Unvote: Zachrulez. Vote: No-Lynch.

Today everyone votes no-lynch. If Haylen is the vig, then scum would be crazy not to kill her tonight. Vig-Haylen should target Zach. If she's the vig, she kills Zach-scum. If she's scum, then killing Zach will reveal he's telling the truth, and we can lynch her tomorrow. If she's scum and doesn't kill Zach, we lynch her anyways. It's the safest possible solution.

No. We're not voting no lynch. We're lynching obvscum. I don't like this plan at all.

Haylen: I'm leaning more towards Nking Kerri than Yos now.

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@ Elli: My plan guarantees that we catch a scum tomorrow. If we lynch the wrong person today, it's game over. I'm playing the safest course.

Safe, schmafe. I don't want some shitty night abilities we don't know about screwing this up. Zach dies today.

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Hayle:

Neto, Kerri, Bogre

Neto, Kerri, Zach

Neto, Bogre, Zach

Neto, Zach, Yos

I stand by the above. Whatever Yos is saying I don't feel Maescum.

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Hayle:

Neto, Kerri, Bogre

Neto, Kerri, Zach

Neto, Bogre, Zach

Neto, Zach, Yos

I stand by the above. Whatever Yos is saying I don't feel Maescum.

Meh. Zach wouldn't have counterclaimed there if I was scum with him; he would have sit back and let us lynch Mae. The counterclaim was clearly a desperation gambit because he was about to lose.

Ugh. I get that, but the crap that happened at the end of D1 still bugs me.
I also still support Kerri over Mae for the vig. It looked like Zach was screwed with either partner, and I still don't feel Maescum.

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@ Elli: How does a Zach-SK pairing make any sense?

Ugh, yeah, you're right. Skimmed your iso and it doesn't look that realistic...
K then, I agree with Mae vig.
Anything anyone wants to get in before I hammer?

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Vote: Zach

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Sorry guys, I have some personal/family issues and I'm not sure how active I will be today/tomorrow.
Anyway, First of all Kerri: I don't remember any early lurking from me. I only got prodded once this game. and that was D3 IIRC, so yeah.
Second, from the start of the game to now, I have had a town read on Mae. I also maintain my point that Zach's gambit yesterday could have been to save either one of you because if Yos's plan were followed, whichever one of you is scum is screwed.
The main point I see for Kerri right now is that Kerri-Zach would have meant a lot of heavy bussing throughout the game.
Kerri: You may have answered this already before, but meh. Why were you willing to support the wagon to lynch on Net D1 when there was close to 0 chance of a claim? I understand that you thought he was scum yaddy yaddy yaddy, but doing the whole thing probably knowing that Net wouldn't get on in time disturbs me.
I have to go around now and won't be back until later tonight.
tl;dr : I still suspect Kerri > Mae.

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Mae was A) on Net for most of D1 and B) Not there during the crap that happened at D1.
I don't want to argue theory with you here, but unless in extreme circumstances, I would never support lynching someone without giving them a chance to claim. Whether Net was town or scum, the End of D1 wagon switch was wrong. Period.
gut and gut. And I liked Mae's tone for most of the game.

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Mae wasn't there for final bandwagon flop.
I need check the Haylen dropping suspicion thing, but I dodge questions all the time so I don't find it to be that much of a tell but I'll go check this situation.

And more theory, but, you're not suppose to argue against gut.

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And more theory, but, you're not suppose to argue against gut.

Then how am I supposed to convince you that I'm not scum?

Btw, Mae

was

there for the final bandwagon flop. You should go back and reread the end of Day 1. She was definitely there.

*clearly didn't reread yet*
K, you're right. That changes things some.
Still need to check on that Haylen question thing you mentioned earlier.

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Mae, did you or did you not believe in the Neto-Gayle scum pair D1.

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Logical explanations = overrated
Since I'm too lazy to go back and check, Mae, what did you think about Zach before yesterday? I remember you said you had a town read on him somewhere.
Kerri, could you also do me a favor and link me to the question dodge? >.<

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Mae, you weren't here yesterday when Zach's claim happened, right?
What do you think it's motivation and what did you think about it in general.

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And I just realized we completely forgot to massclaim.
I'm a vanilla.

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I know, but what do you think it's motivation was?

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Mae, you read all of D4 right?

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Mae, read Yos's plan. The only people he could have been trying to save would have been you or Kerri...
Which leaves me exactly where I started...meh.

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Mae, read Yos's plan. The only people he could have been trying to save would have been you or Kerri...
Which leaves me exactly where I started...meh.

For me, it makes SK scummier, but since you both bussed two different scum, I'm a bit uncertain on my reads.

Errr....what?
I attacked both Neto and Zach at some point so I dunno what you're talking about.
Also there would have been no motivation for that claim if I were scum so yeah....read the game please.

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Yos put out his plan after Hayle claimed vig IIRC. If the plan went through Zach - Mae and Zach - Kerri scumteams would both be screwed over.
Zach prob thought that if he waited the plan would slowly gain support, I dunno. But it's pretty clear to me it was to save one of your guys.

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Ugh, could you guys hyperlink, it's so annoying having to go back and look for these quotes...>.<
Mae, You asked Zach right before he claimed, and you weren't here for any of the action after that right. That said, I disagree with Kerri on this one. Mae: How much were you intending to trust his read if he had given one instead of claiming? I for one love asking other plays for reads...
I disagree with Kerri about the motivation behind Zach's claim thing, but it's a pointless argument since it leads me to a conclusion that you or Mae have to be scum, which is where I am at anyway.
Deadline is tomorrow!!!! guys. I'll actually go through the whole game later today, and probably vote.

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D3 makes very little sense if Kerri is scum.
A Zach-Kerri Bus there seems not that realistic since there was still a fair chance of diverting the wagon to Bogre if Kerri was scum.
The only plausible scenario for Zach-Kerri there would be Zach bussing Kerri, Kerri gets lynched. Bogre would almost def have been mislynched the next day, and Zach tries to say afloat. That seems not particularly likely either though.
Need to think more.

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Ugh, less than a day to DL. Mae, can you link me to last 2 games each of you as town and you as scum?

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Ugh, I have a big exam tomorrow and didn't get much done. I probably won't be on for the morning to noon. I should be here from a few hours before DL though.

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Ugh guys, sorry, I'm here. Some crap in rl took longer than expected.
Reading over and voting next post.

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Vote: Mae

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hihihi

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QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/ncFRQeZ3tYD

Also I had to work at convincing Elli that we should kill Glork on night 3.
I actually wanted to kill him around night 2, but Elli said in QT that he didn't want to kill him. To this point, I still have no idea what he wanted to leave Glork alive, maybe he can share his thought process on that one.

I dunno, I thought he was fun to keep around. Lamest reason in the world, I know.

Yeah, I wasn't sure if the exchange between Elli and Neto was genuine or not regarding Elli's play style, but I found him to be far more competent at mafia than he appears.

^^ Though I was incompetent.

He's really good at acting scummily but making it seem random so you don't suspect it's actually scummy. That's why I have such a hard time reading him.

Haha, I'll take that as a compliment. I like being a paradox.
Seriously though, I act the same way in general as town but it's not really that much "on purpose" per se...

Seriously, I think we just got really lucky with how things turned out. And I have gotten way too many scum pms for my 3 months here (see wiki).

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EBWOP: Thought* I was incompetent.

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Did you guys think the game was balanced?
Were the deadlines a little too quick?
Would you play in a game like this again in the future?

1) Me = Knows nothing about balancing. I liked the settup.
2) Perfect, deadlines are way to long nowadays IMO.
3) Definitely.

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. I feel we haven't really got much traction on the quickness of this game yet.

Was it that?