Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[SaintKerrigan]

Death to the white screen of death!!!

[SaintKerrigan]

Yos put out his plan after Hayle claimed vig IIRC. If the plan went through Zach - Mae and Zach - Kerri scumteams would both be screwed over.
Zach prob thought that if he waited the plan would slowly gain support, I dunno. But it's pretty clear to me it was to save one of your guys.

But that's just it. Why would Zach make such a desperate move when there wasn't any clear evidence that people were going to adapt Yosarian2's plan? I'm starting to think it's more likely that Zach simply gambled on trying to mislynch Haylen and lost.

Mae, how many times have you played with Zach?

[SaintKerrigan]

EBWOP: "Adapt" should be "adopt."

[SaintKerrigan]

Mae, how many times have you played with Zach?

Around 0? I've been on a game that was modded by him, though.

Perhaps you can explain this, then.

...hey, Zach, what do you think about Hayl? Townie or scum?

Well, you did say that you could read Hayl well.

This comment sticks out to me. You're asking for Zach's opinion, and seem willing to trust it. However, having played 0 games with Zach before, I don't see any reason why you should do this,

unless you're scumpartners with him

.

[SaintKerrigan]

Do you usually read up on all the people you haven't played with before, Mae? And even if you did read up on Zach, why should that make you willing to trust his read on another player? How do you know he isn't going to lie to you (which is what he did)?

[SaintKerrigan]

Eeeeeeh, isn't Mafia about asking questions and seeing which answers are lies?

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ATTACKING ME FOR ASKING FOR A READ?

By the way, it's this one.

No, I'm not. I'm attacking the trust that you seemed to put into Zach's potential read. Why else would you pose the question to Zach specifically? I can't find a townie motivation for it.

[SaintKerrigan]

Eeeeeeh, isn't Mafia about asking questions and seeing which answers are lies?

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ATTACKING ME FOR ASKING FOR A READ?

By the way, it's this one.

No, I'm not. I'm attacking the trust that you seemed to put into Zach's potential read. Why else would you pose the question to Zach specifically? I can't find a townie motivation for it.

[SaintKerrigan]

Grr, sorry again. Mafiascum is disagreeable today.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Elli: As an addendum, I was also in Monks and Masons (replaced in late Day 2). Gives you a chance to see my play when I'm scum.

@ Mae:

As for the read, it depends. If it was consistent, I would believe him, if it wasn't, I wouldn't believe him.

Could you elaborate, please? I didn't quite get it.

Sorry for saying this - this part of your case is BS.

No offense taken.

[SaintKerrigan]

Could you elaborate, please? I didn't quite get it.

If he suddently changed his town read to a scum read I would be "huh?" and vote for him. So?

I was just asking for clarification.

[SaintKerrigan]

What makes you want to vote for Elli, Mae? I don't recall seeing you attack him much over anything.

[SaintKerrigan]

What makes you want to vote for Elli, Mae? I don't recall seeing you attack him much over anything.

Mmmm, deadline?

What does the deadline have to do with it?

[SaintKerrigan]

But why would you vote Elli, Mae? The deadline has absolutely nothing to do with who you vote for. You said you'd vote for anyone. Considering that I've seen little from you in regards to an attack on Elli, and you've considered me scummier for pretty much all day, I'd like to know what you see in Elli that makes you now willing to vote for either of us instead of simply outright voting the person you've been calling scummy for the rest of the day.

tl;dr: Why do you want to vote for Elli when you haven't so much as attacked him all day?

I'll answer your question when you've answered mine.

[SaintKerrigan]

Quite frankly, it's you. You've been dodging questions, minimally interacted with the cases on Zach and Neto, and you're now willing to lynch Elli as well as me, without so much as providing a shred of evidence why you'd vote Elli over me.

Less than an hour to deadline. Elli, if you're here and you're scum, congratulations.

Vote: Maemuki.

[SaintKerrigan]

Elli, what side are you?

[SaintKerrigan]

Dammit.

Elli, I'm policy lynching you from now on, because you and I are never on the same side. That said, great game. I knew Mae was too easy a lynch, but I couldn't really prove anything wrong with you. Should've gone with my gut.

Mae, sorry I lynched you.

[SaintKerrigan]

Dammit.

Elli, I'm policy lynching you from now on, because you and I are never on the same side. That said, great game. I knew Mae was too easy a lynch, but I couldn't really prove anything wrong with you. Should've gone with my gut.

Mae, sorry I lynched you.

[SaintKerrigan]

Dammit.

Elli, I'm policy lynching you from now on, because you and I are never on the same side. That said, great game. I knew Mae was too easy a lynch, but I couldn't really prove anything wrong with you. Should've gone with my gut.

Mae, sorry I lynched you.

[SaintKerrigan]

This proves the SaintKerrigan Axiom: If you go into Lylo and someone looks scummy, it's always the other person who's scum. Seriously, that's been true of every single game I went to Lylo in as town.

I was right that both of the scum were bussing Neto. Too bad I didn't take my own advice.

Incog, I would definitely play a game like this again. Be sure to let me know if you ever run it again, I want a pre-in.

[SaintKerrigan]

This proves the SaintKerrigan Axiom: If you go into Lylo and someone looks scummy, it's always the other person who's scum. Seriously, that's been true of every single game I went to Lylo in as town.

I was right that both of the scum were bussing Neto. Too bad I didn't take my own advice.

Incog, I would definitely play a game like this again. Be sure to let me know if you ever run it again, I want a pre-in.

In newbie 784, this actually wasn't true. The scummy person WAS scum... haha...

I was talking about my games, specifically. lol.

The other thing I've learned is to policy lynch Elli. He's just too good as scum, plus we're never on the same side anyway.

[SaintKerrigan]

He's really good at acting scummily but making it seem random so you don't suspect it's actually scummy. That's why I have such a hard time reading him.

[SaintKerrigan]

Would now be a good time to tell everyone rather than sending in 4 kill PM's, I actually sent in 8. Each night I changed my mind to an entirely different person. Each night featured the same person in the first PM. Anyone hazard a guess?
I'm glad Incog turned off his email notifications...

Me, right?

'Cause I'm SK, encroachin' on yo turf!

[SaintKerrigan]

After that complete embarrassment with me changing my mind. I'm NEVER playing as town again.

Policy lynch!!!

Vote: Haylen

because she's never playing town again.

[SaintKerrigan]

Well, for the record, I really didn't want to engage in that from the beginning. However, once Ellibereth showed up and started attacking me, I knew he wasn't going to back off, so I had to go into it a bit harder than I wanted to.

I think that Ellibereth needs to improve his play - that's not a judgment on his person, it's a reaction from having played with him several times. He won in this game because we started attacking each other early and got a reputation for having a fantastic gut. This is not a strategy that will work every game, though.

That being said, I'm solidly in the logic camp of mafiascum players, and am strictly against the growing tendency to play by gut. This is true regardless of my alignment. Someone who prefers a more guttural style of play might think otherwise.

One final note, I'd like to apologize for my poor play early on. I really didn't want it to turn out like that...But I would have had that policy discussion regardless of alignment. For proof of this, compare to Nouns Mafia. Still, I should have played a bit differently as scum, since I know that I have a tendency to get lynched on D1.

Now see, that's why I didn't believe you were scum -- all the arguments against you regarding theory weren't good, and I didn't see anything else substantial against you.

[SaintKerrigan]

Oh, and also, Mae was right -- I never actually believed in the Bogre lynch. Problem was, it was either him or me, and I wasn't a big fan of getting myself lynched. Believe me, I would've been real happy with a Zach lynch on Day 3...

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm still embarrassed that we got off of

two

scum wagons to lynch a power role. Probably my worst moment since getting a claimed doc lynched.

@ Haylen: Don't get so down on yourself. This game can be tricky to play, and there's always room for improvement.