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I am here.
I'm afraid I might not be able to read the whole game before deadline, though, especially since I was just about to go to bed when Incognito caught me online and I'll be out for much of the day tomorrow. If someone can summarize what's been going on for me real quick, that would help me.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Ah, my mistake. Ok, good, at least we won't be no-lynching then.Gayle wrote:Yosarian2 wrote:And we need a real majority to lynch, huh?The Rules wrote:If a majority is not reached at deadline, the player with the most votes at the end of the Day will be lynchedI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Ok, I'm doing a quick skim-through here. I'm sure I'm missing all kinds of stuff,
but hopefully I can get somewhere before the day ends.
Page 1-2: KMD seems town to me. Random bandwagon on Bogre. Netopolis opposed random wagon, gets attacked for it by KMD
and others.
Page 3: I don't really have a problem with Netropolis's play so far. About the only thing I can say about is that if Bogre is
scum Netropolis might be scum with him.
Page 4: KMD/ Netopolis fight continues. I'm pretty confident KMD is town. Netopolis could also be town; he dosn't really
sound scummy to me, but all that theory related stuff is easy to fake as scum.
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Lol.Haylen wrote: I'm completely naked right now...
On a side note, I don't agree with Glork's his attacks on KMD, but I'm not going to claim to have any kind of read on Glork right now.
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That was a really funny post, Gayle. Do you think Ellibereth is scum for voting you like that, or are you just screwingGayle wrote: DERP DERP
around?
Hmm? I don't think KMD was flailing at all, I think he knew exactly what he was doing and was doing it well.Netopalis wrote: KMD was flailing for a while, but he seems to have gotten back under control.
What did you mean, netro?
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I like this post. Garfield is a scum tell.Netopalis wrote:Astonishing post, Ellibereth. Your little cartoon explains everything.
Everything.
Unvote, Vote: Ellibereth
I said it last game, and I'll say it again - shape up, take the game seriously and post
original content or face the noose.
Seriously, if I had been in the game at this point, I likely would have voted Elilibereth myself, especially after
he declared Netopalis scum for voting him.
Although Glork's defense of Ellibereth here at the end of the is interesting, and is making me doubt that a bit.
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I'm less confident about Neto now. I dislike the whole "Let's lynch Ellibereth because if he is town
it dosn't hurt us as badly" argument. I've seen scum use that too much to justify pushing a lynch they know is bad.
Page 10: I don't think Glork's vote on Mae was random, and he's saying it's not, so I'm a bit confused why he felt
he had to go find and example where he random voted on page 10 as town. I don't mind votes without reasons, personally,
but the fact he gave that meta-defense seems a bit odd to me. Glork?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Page 11: KMD thinks Mae is town. Glork asks Mae a bunch of questions.
Page 12: Not really happy with Gayle's contrabutions so far.
Wow...he's saying he's been contributing so little because he was spending his time writing a program to facilitate note
taking in this game? Lol, that's a new excuse I haven't heard before.
Page 16: Gayle, what was it you read after your ISO post #10 but before your ISO post #13 that made you unvote netlava here?
Gayle wrote:That'll teach me for voting before becoming caught up.
Unvote
Page 18: Why do people keep calling Net's claim a "hider" claim? Commmuter is a very different role from hider.
Page 20: Yeah, this is scummy:Gayle wrote:Tomorrow is deadline. Netopalis has the most votes anyway, so you will get your way if you just wait. There is no reason to lynch today.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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On a side note, Neto, your reluctance to bandwagon early is probably anti-town in a speed game like this. Might not be relevent to your alignment, especally if you really do oppose "bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning" in all your games, but I do want to hear if you think the speed of this game changes that.
Hmm. Honestly, I don't think Neto looks that scummy, but he could very well be scum, and this whole Zach thing makes me wonder if it's a scum-driven counterwagon. The claim dosn't really say much; it's possible, but then again people are right that it's an easy claim for scum to fake.
For the moment, I'm going toVote: Gayle, because he's someone I'm actually suspicous of. Let me go back and read Zach in iso.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Well, I'm still working on that.SaintKerrigan wrote:I'm here. Who were you thinking about lynching, Yos?
Between Zach and Neto, I'd rather lynch neto, I think, but I'd like a third option.
Let's see...people in the game:
* Yosarian2 (replaced Annachie D1) v
* Haylen v
* SaintKerrigan v
* Netopalis v
* camn v
* Netlava
* Bogre v
* Gayle
* Glork v
* Zachrulez v
* Ellibereth
* Kmd4390 v
* Maemuki v
People I defiantly do not want to lynch today:
Haylen
Saint
Glork
KMD
People I have mixed feelings on (in no special order):
Zach
Netropolis
camn
Bogre
Maemuki
People I'd be happy lynching today:
Netlava
Gayle
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Well, if not, then I'm going to have to vote for you.Netopalis wrote:Deadline's in 54 minutes, we're not going to be able to get one of the people you'd be happy with lynching today... (As much as I would like to)
Let's give it a shot, though.Unvote:GayleVote:Maemuki
GogogoI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Really? I thought that it was only 5 votes on Netlava; it's 7 to lynch, so I think we're at lynch-2, unless I miscounted..SaintKerrigan wrote:L-1 Alert.
Just so people know it's L-1.
Should be enough for a deadline lynch, though.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Lol. No, it's not that rule 19.
So, Gayle, if you want to actually contribute, how about commenting on some key stuff.
-Can you explain that wierd "let's just let it go and neto might be lynched at deadline" comment? If you're pro-town, wouldn't you want more people to be forced to commit to an opinion?
-Who is scummier, Netlava or Maemuki?
-Who is scummier, Zack or Neto?
-If you could lynch anyone in the game right now, who would it be?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I'm glad everyone's here, and all the gender-changing-lesbian-spanking is certainly fun, but yeah, the stuff people say in the last few minutes before a deadline in a crazy situation like this can be very significant, and I'd like to squeeze out a few more solid comments from people before we find out lava's alignment.SaintKerrigan wrote:
Umm...but...I don't have it anymore.Haylen wrote:No! Give me back my penis!
On a more serious note, do we have to get serious now? Because I always feel like gettin' drunk after a killin'.
Maemuki: If lava flips scum, who do you think his buddies would be? If he's town, who would you suspect then?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Boys will be boys, will be boys, will be boys, will be boysMaemuki wrote: *extemely unfitting music plays*
Will be boys, will be girls with no warning
Girls will be girls, will be guys, will be boys that don't cry over toys
That they use to beat girls they despise by the morning
They always said that sex would change you
Change you, change you, change you...
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Well, then, why didn't you say that?Gayle wrote:...Is this a bad time to have a serious post?
I believe Netopalis would be a mislynch, so I did not want Netopalis to be lynched.Yosarian2 wrote:-Can you explain that wierd "let's just let it go and neto might be lynched at deadline" comment? If you're pro-town, wouldn't you want more people to be forced to commit to an opinion?
If you had said "I'm opposed to a Netopalis lynch because I think he's town", that would have been fine. But I'm weirded out by you trying to stall a Neto lynch on the grounds that 'it dosn't matter anyway', that seems scummier to me.
Ok. Why?
Honestly, until I reread their posts to answer this, I would have said Maemuki. However, at the moment I find Netlava scummier.Yos wrote:Who is scummier, Netlava or Maemuki?
You don't have to say anything. I'm wondering what you think. Changing your mind, especally in a speed game like this, would be fine.
Now, since I've voted Zack over Neto, I have to say Zack, haven't I?Yos wrote:Who is scummier, Zack or Neto?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Lol. Yeah, I hope he's scum, I'm sure as hell sticking my neck way out on this one. I'm a bit worried about lynching him without getting a claim, but meh, I think he's more likely scum then Neto or Zach is.Glork wrote:Can't wait for Netlava to flip protown so I can destroy the people who wagoned him to death.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Lol. Actually, I was making sure I said that because if Lava does flip scum, I'm probably about to get nightkilled here.Glork wrote:
And I'm pretty sure you're going to nightkill me.Yosarian2 wrote:Anyway, I'm now pretty sure Glork is town here.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Terrible logic, all around.Kmd4390 wrote: Ok, so the lynching wagon on Netlava was ridiculously scummy. His town flip means I'd be willing to bet on at least one scum on the lynch.
*Netlava (6) <-~ Maemuki, Netopalis, Yosarian2, Haylen, SaintKerrigan, Gayle
Mae is town. Neto is town. Haylen is town. Gayle is town. That leaves Yos and Saint. I'm still leaning town on Saint.
Vote Yos
Now to read Day 2.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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My theory, based on their desire to lynch me, and then Netlava, and the lack of interest in lynching Neto.Yosarian2 wrote:
How does that follow?Zachrulez wrote:The fact that most of the votes moved from me and most of the votes on Neto stayed put indicates pretty clearly that it's far more likely that the scum were on my wagon.
At the moment, I think there's a pretty high chance you're town; I'm thinking that either you and Neto are both town (in which case the scum would likely have just kept their head down and stayed quiet during the end of the day), or you are town and Neto is scum. If Neto is scum, then probably the people who come out looking the worst are Gayle and Mae (Gayle esepcally). If you're both town, then...I'm less sure.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Actually...if Neto is scum and Zach is town, then May leaving her vote on Lava all that time when she could have just moved it to Zach dosn't really make sense. Hmm. Ok, forget that.Yosarian2 wrote: If Neto is scum, then probably the people who come out looking the worst are Gayle and Mae (Gayle esepcally).I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Meh. Mae was my top suspect yesterday, although I'm less certain she's scum now, since I'm not sure I see her making such a big deal about casting the first vote if she was scum who knew Lava was town.Glork wrote:
Haven't I already told you that Mae is town? Why aren't you taking my word as gospel?Yosarian2 wrote:
Actually...if Neto is scum and Zach is town, then May leaving her vote on Lava all that time when she could have just moved it to Zach dosn't really make sense. Hmm. Ok, forget that.Yosarian2 wrote: If Neto is scum, then probably the people who come out looking the worst are Gayle and Mae (Gayle esepcally).I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Ok, let me do a voting analysis of day 1, and see if I can come up with any 3 man scum groups that make sense. (And yeah, with 13 people in the game, moderately powerful town roles like tracker and roleblocker, and only one nightkill, I'm thinking a 3 man scum group makes the most sense for the moment.)
Incognito wrote:*Netopalis (3) <-~ Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Haylen
Zachrulez (2) <-~ Bogre, Kmd4390
Ellibereth (2) <-~ Netopalis, camn
Maemuki (1) <-~ Netlava
Netlava (1) <-~ Maemuki
Haylen (1) <-~ SaintKerriganIncognito wrote:Vote Count #15 of Day 1
*Netopalis (3) <-~ Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Haylen
Zachrulez (3) <-~ Bogre, Kmd4390, SaintKerrigan
Ellibereth (2) <-~ Netopalis, camn
Maemuki (1) <-~ Netlava
Netlava (1) <-~ Maemuki
Not voting (3) <-~ Gayle, Annachie, GlorkIncognito wrote:Vote Count #16 of Day 1
*Netopalis (4) <-~ Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Haylen, Glork
Zachrulez (3) <-~ Bogre, Kmd4390, SaintKerrigan
Ellibereth (2) <-~ Netopalis, camn
Maemuki (1) <-~ Netlava
Netlava (1) <-~ Maemuki
Not voting (2) <-~ Gayle, Annachie
With 13 alive, 7 votes will do it.
Incognito wrote:Vote Count #18 of Day 1
*Netopalis (5) <-~ Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Haylen, Glork, camn
Zachrulez (5) <-~ Bogre, Kmd4390, Netopalis, Gayle, SaintKerrigan
Maemuki (1) <-~ Netlava
Netlava (1) <-~ Maemuki
Not voting (1) <-~ Yosarian2
With 13 alive, 7 votes will do it.
Plausible scum groups:Incognito wrote:Vote Count #19 of Day 1
Netopalis (4) <-~ Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Glork, camn
Zachrulez (2) <-~ Bogre, Kmd4390
Maemuki (1) <-~ Netlava
*Netlava (6) <-~ Maemuki, Netopalis, Yosarian2, Haylen, SaintKerrigan, Gayle
With 13 alive, 7 votes will do it.
If Neto is scum and both of his buddies were protecting him by backing other wagons, then I think the most likely group here is Neto+Gayle+Bogre. SaintK or KMD are also logical possibilities here, but I get good vibes from both of them.
If Neto is scum and one of his buddies was bussing him, then the only person who makes sense to me as a busser to me is Elibereth (making the main possibilites here Neto+Gayle+Ellibereth) or (Neto+Boyle+Elibereth)) since Camn is dead town, I think Glork is pretty obv town here, and I think a (Neto, Zach) scumteam is very unlikely considering they were the main two wagons for a while there. Haylen dosn't really fit into either scenario, because of the way she was first pushing for him but then left to join the Lava wagon; I don't think Haylen makes any sense here as a Neto buddy at all.
If Neto is town, then some possible scum group I can think of looking at that vote counts would be (Bogre+Ellibereth+ Gayle) or (Zach+ Elibereth+ one more (possibly Mae?))
I'd be curious what 3 man scum groups other people think are plausible., based on day 1 voting patterns and such. At the moment, I'm leaning towards lynching either Neto or Elibereth, because I can't think of any plausible scumgroups that dosn't include at least one or the other of them.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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So, I guess this means that rather then answer my question, you're going to just keep fishing at Haylen and attack me, huh?SaintKerrigan wrote:
You wouldn'tHaylen wrote:you wouldnt believe me anyway. lol.happento be what you claimed at the beginning of the game, would you?
I'm starting to get a thought that Yos and Mae are scum with Neto...
I should note that SaintK is another person who in my voting analysis of day 1 made logical sense as a scum buddy of Neto. I had him classed as a lower probability, since I felt he was probably town, but now that Gayle flipped town and is no longer a possible scum buddy, I'm having to re-evaluate the possible scum groups.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Neah. A SK posing as a vig, and killing people who are likely to be lynched, is a bad strategy, especially in a fast mafia game. If there was a SK, then especially after a mafia gets lynched, the right move would be to start killing people everyone thinks are confirmed town. I doubt there is a SK.Glork wrote:By the way, I want to hear much more from Yos today. Gayle looks like a vigging, but it's pretty easy for a Serial Killer to pose as a vig, and Yos would be my top SK suspect right now.
Anyway, what do you want to hear from me? I've been very active and aggressive in this game since I replaced in, I think.
SaintKarrigan could be scum with Neto. I'm more convinced about Bogre at the moment.
-Pushed the Zach counterwagon hard on day 1.
-Bogre wasn't online at all during the Lava wagon at all end of day 1, no information there
-The way he acted day 2 really convinces me that Bogre was Neto's scum partner. Look at some of these posts:
Here, he attacks Gayle, while trying to plant in everyone's head the idea that "Neto is a mislynch". Really looks like an odd post, especially since this is a misrepresentation of Gayle; Gayle's main point seemed to be to deter people from speedlynching Neto on the grounds that "he would be lynched anyway", and was trying to defend Neto at this point. When I saw the Gayle post, it made me wonder if Gayle and Neto were scumbuddies, so Bogre's reaction here seems off to me, and feels like he's trying to sneak in a subtle defense of Neto.Bogre wrote:Vote: Gayle
Did absolutely nothing yesterday -except- lynch Netlava. Noncontribution > Zach.
He was unwilling to vote for a long time- I need to check his votes but he wasn't very eager to commit to anything.
His 'Is this a bad time for a serious post' irks me.
Finally, he stated that he wouldn't mind lynching Neto because he thought it was going to happen anyways, mentions that it might as well be that day, but then a day later said he thought it would be a mislynch. I imagine he -knows- its a mislynch.
He later admitted that he "got the wrong impression" from Gayle's posts, but kept insisting that Gayle "possibly knew that a Neto lynch was a mislynch".
And when Bogre commented on this later, I get a farther bad vibe from it:
The way Bogre talks about Neto lynch here feels strange to me, like he's trying to set up a pre-emptive defense for not being on the Neto wagon.Bogre wrote: -> Not supporting the Neto bandwagon isn't scummy in of itself- I didn't support it, if you'll notice. I didn't support the Neto wagon because I he looked more town than others. I don't know for sure if he is, but I thought other lynches were better. Which was Gayle's position, except he seems to know Neto is town instead of just preferring to lynch someone scummier. The scumminess additionally comes from unwillingness to commit- he said he thought the Neto wagon would be a mislynch, but didn't state why, and didn't vote much.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Eh, that's possible.Glork wrote:
Do you think that every player in this game is experienced and meticulous enough to make "the right move" here? Just because you know it's a bad play doesn't mean that everybody does.Yosarian2 wrote:
Neah. A SK posing as a vig, and killing people who are likely to be lynched, is a bad strategy, especially in a fast mafia game. If there was a SK, then especially after a mafia gets lynched, the right move would be to start killing people everyone thinks are confirmed town. I doubt there is a SK.Glork wrote:By the way, I want to hear much more from Yos today. Gayle looks like a vigging, but it's pretty easy for a Serial Killer to pose as a vig, and Yos would be my top SK suspect right now.
ALso, though, there is that missing kill from night 1. Considering our roleblocker was already dead at the time, it dosn't seem all that likely that a kill was blocked that night.
He seems like a pretty typical "cautious noob who got caught up in a fast game and dosn't really know how to deal with it" to me. Pretty much what happened to Malyss in that lynch all lurkers game I ran, if you read that one.
It might just be that other people are drowning this thread with posts. But from my perspective:Yos2 wrote:Anyway, what do you want to hear from me? I've been very active and aggressive in this game since I replaced in, I think.
A) You tried to throw me to the wolves at the very end of D1, heading into night. [/quote[
Eh, I really didn't think of it that way. I wasn't really worried that it was that likely you'd get nightkilled after attacking me at the end of the day like that; I figured scum would probably not be interested in killing you while you were "pointed" at me, unless they were going to kill me.
(shrug) I thought I was likely to be right, thought I was likely to get killed, and so wanted to share all my thoughts before I died. Again, I didn't really think the scum would kill you just because I said "Glork is town".I already touched on this, but it shows that you had a very strong desire to not-be-killed. I think you were genuinely worried that if you were right, the scums would try to take you down, and that reads "SK" to me.
C) I didn't like Annachie very much. He read scum to me (though I'd honestly have to go back and remind myself why).I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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:eyebrow:SaintKerrigan wrote:Ooh, found this little nugget from Bogre.
(From Day 2)Bogre wrote:Not supporting the Neto bandwagon isn't scummy in of itself- I didn't support it, if you'll notice.
And one of his reasons for voting me is for staying off the Neto wagon. Contradiction noted.
Did you miss it when I already pointed that quote out, SK?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I already did, in great detail, where I explained in post 868 why I think you're likely to be scum with Neto. You gave a very brief response; pretty much the only point you really defended yourself on was when you saidBogre wrote: If you'd like to explain why you'd want me dead over him, I'd like to answer.
Which is reasonable enough, but completly ignores the main points I brought up against you.Bogre wrote:
I was the original one to push the Zach wagon, when Neto wasn't under consideration, I wasn't pushing the counterwagon.
That being said, right now, I think you and SK are most likely both scum together.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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You distanced from Bogre, making a weak attack against him and then voting for Zach.SaintKerrigan wrote:
Where was I distancing, and from whom?
That dosn't actually answer my question, which is, why do you think it's likely Zach is scum with Bogre considering that they were the main two bandwagons for most of day 1?I consider Zach a possible scum, with you as the likely remaining scum in that case (given your reluctance to lynch either one of them).
(Also, nice little implied barb at the end there. I was certanly not "reluctant" to lynch Neto yesterday, and I think I made clear yesterday that I was intending to eventually vote for him; only reason I ended up not doing so was because the day ended so quickly.)
What do you think about Bogre, SK?I obviously don't support my own lynch. I would vote for Bogre, but my vote would be the hammer, and I'm not ready to end the day just yet. I'm interested in seeing what other people have to say first.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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It's not just that he was voting Neto. It's more that, in my experence, there are very rarely two major bandwagons competing against each other that are BOTH on scum; if one scum starts to get bandwagoned, scum usually push a wagon on a pro-town person to compete with it.SaintKerrigan wrote: I think you mean why do I think it's likely that Zach is scum with Neto, right? Anyway, I'm suspicious because he didn't really try hard to come up with reasons for voting Neto until he was pressured into doing so. Just because he was voting Neto doesn't mean he's not scum. Like I said earlier, I've seen scum bus hard before.
After I ran my voting analysis on day 2, this was my conclusion:
Actually, your desire to have Neto lynched isYosarian2 wrote:(Also, nice little implied barb at the end there. I was certanly not "reluctant" to lynch Neto yesterday, and I think I made clear yesterday that I was intending to eventually vote for him; only reason I ended up not doing so was because the day ended so quickly.)notclear Day 2. You entered a lot of hypothetical "what-ifs" concerning the possibility that Neto is scum, true, but I didn't see anything that implied you were going to vote for him. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.
I don't understand how you could have read that and come away with the conclusion that I was "reluctant" to lynch for Neto.Yosarian2 wrote: At the moment, I'm leaning towards lynching either Neto or Elibereth, because I can't think of any plausible scumgroups that dosn't include at least one or the other of them.
Lol.
Well, up until now I was thinking he was scum. However, your post (especially regarding what I feel is misrepresentation of your behavior towards Neto on Day 2) has just made me feelYosarian2 wrote:What do you think about Bogre, SK?veryuneasy about your alignment. And if you're scum, then your most plausible scumbuddy is Zach, which would mean Bogre is innocent (assuming a 3-man scumteam)...
That's complete bull, SK. You've never given any sign that you "thought Bogre was scum". You made a weak attack against him, made an excuse for why you voted someone else instead, and now that I'm questioning you about it, you're trying to come up with some alternate theory to try to get someone other then Bogre lynched. You claim you "Thought he was scum", but you never once really supported a bandwagon on him, at all.
I think we've got this one in the bag. Scum team is SK and Bogre.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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That has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was just making, which was about the low probability of there being two competing scum wagons; if scum decide to bus, then that also generally means there won't be two competing scum wagons.SaintKerrigan wrote:
And in my experience, I've seen scum bus when a partner is viewed as scummy by a good number of the players.Yosarian2 wrote:It's not just that he was voting Neto. It's more that, in my experence, there are very rarely two major bandwagons competing against each other that are BOTH on scum; if one scum starts to get bandwagoned, scum usually push a wagon on a pro-town person to compete with it.
Yup. Based on voting patterns, I was sure that either Neto or Elli had to be scum. And I was correct; not sure why you're trying to talk down 'voting patterns', considering how well that method of scumhunting worked. It really wasn't based on Neto's actions; I didn't think his actions were that scummy, actually, other then his claim, but based on how day 1 turned out, and based on how people were voting at different times, there just weren't that many possible scenarios where he wasn't scum.
That's not very compelling. Your given reason for wanting to lynch Neto (as well as Elli) is for voting patterns only.Yosarian2 wrote:I don't understand how you could have read that and come away with the conclusion that I was "reluctant" to lynch for Neto.
If you read that whole post, how many possible scenarios I had with him as scum vs. with him as town, I think it would have been clear that I was really leaning towards lynching Neto, both because of the high chance of him being scum and in order to gather information; there really weren't many possible scumgroups that didn't include Neto.From what you've said, you could just as easily have wanted to vote for Elli.
[/quote]Plus, youwerereluctant to lynch Neto and Zach on Day 1, and by Day 2 it could easily have been decided (after a nice nightchat) that it was better off to bus Neto rather than try to defend him.
So, first you're attacking me for not attacking Neto, now you're accusing me of bussing him?
It really looks like you're just trying to come up whatever scenerio you can that makes me look like scum. I was somewhat unhappy with lynching Neto on day 1 (although I would have been in favor of a neto lynch over a Zach lynch), but I think you were more reluctant then I was.
That was the excuse you gave for not voting for Bogre, in response to me questioning you about it and accusing you of distancing; basically, I accused you of being scum with Bogre and asked you what you thought about him, and you gave an excuse for not voting for him. Then, within a page, you suddenly started arguing that me and Zach were scum, and that Bogre was innocent.
Hey, check this out:Yosarian2 wrote: That's complete bull, SK. You've never given any sign that you "thought Bogre was scum". You made a weak attack against him, made an excuse for why you voted someone else instead, and now that I'm questioning you about it, you're trying to come up with some alternate theory to try to get someone other then Bogre lynched. You claim you "Thought he was scum", but you never once really supported a bandwagon on him, at all.
SaintKerrigan wrote:I would vote for Bogre, but my vote would be the hammer, and I'm not ready to end the day just yet. I'm interested in seeing what other people have to say first.
Also, I think you were defending Bogre from GLork here:
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Also, how is trying to put Bogre at L-1 (which he isn't at, by the way) and forcing him to claim any different from my "rolefishing" earlier? Come to think of it, you've already got a claim out of me. Now you're trying to get a claim out of someone else? This is making me feel uneasy about you. I guess I'll have to ISO you, in addition to Bogre.
Hmmm...you're right, actually, I did forget about it.SaintKerrigan wrote: You also seem to be forgetting that I was voting for him on Day 2.
Looking back, this was where you voted for Bogre:
Hmm. I do agree with you Bogre was misrepresenting Gayle there (I assume that's what you were talking about?) It's interesting; you kept your vote on Bogre for most of day 2, but I don't see much else you said to reinforce your attack on him.SaintKerrigan wrote:Unvote: Gayle. Vote: Bogre.
Misrepresentation noted.
Anyway, if you thought Bogre was scum on day 2, then why did you not seem to want to follow up on that today?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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That's fine. But I'm not talking about you VOTING Bogre.SaintKerrigan wrote:I'm not voting Bogre at the moment because:
A: My vote hammers him, and I want some discussion first.
B: You are currently making me feel uneasy, and if you're scum, I doubt Bogre is your partner.
What I find odd is that you never really seemed to be attacking or pressuring Bogre for most of today, even though you claim he was your number #1 suspect. Like, I'm not voting for you right now, but I'm certanly attacking you.
I never got the vibe from any of your day 3 posts that you were attacking Bogre, or threatening him, or pressuring him, except for that one weak attack that you quickly followed by voting someone else. I'm just having trouble matching up your claimed suspicion of Bogre with your actions or posts so far today.
(sigh)Yosarian2 wrote:That has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was just making, which was about the low probability of there being two competing scum wagons; if scum decide to bus, then that also generally means there won't be two competing scum wagons.Mypoint was that we're arguing different points of view on what scum will and won't do. I feel that arguing as such is fruitless.
(shrug) You were the one asking me to explain my thoughts about Zach, so I'm trying to.
He was already at lynch -2, and we were less then 24 hours into the day at the time. I wasn't interested in rushing the day that much.
So why didn't you vote for him, then? Actually, I have an idea. (See below.)Yosarian2 wrote:Yup. Based on voting patterns, I was sure that either Neto or Elli had to be scum. And I was correct; not sure why you're trying to talk down 'voting patterns', considering how well that method of scumhunting worked. It really wasn't based on Neto's actions; I didn't think his actions were that scummy, actually, other then his claim, but based on how day 1 turned out, and based on how people were voting at different times, there just weren't that many possible scenarios where he wasn't scum.
If you read that whole post, how many possible scenarios I had with him as scum vs. with him as town, I think it would have been clear that I was really leaning towards lynching Neto, both because of the high chance of him being scum and in order to gather information; there really weren't many possible scumgroups that didn't include Neto.
But you haven't actually made a case against me yet. Or even against Zach.Because if you and Zach are scum (and assuming there's only a 3-man scum team), Bogre must be innocent.
Why, exactally, do you think Zach is scum?
Bandwagoning someone to a claim is not rolefishing, it's what you do when you suspect someone. Openly demanding that someone claim isn't rolefishing either.
This isn't me defending Bogre. This is me asking Glork how what he is doing isn't considered "rolefishing," which I've been accused (by him and other people) of doing. I think you're stretching a bit here.Yosarian2 wrote:Also, I think you were defending Bogre from GLork here:
SaintKerrigan wrote:Also, how is trying to put Bogre at L-1 (which he isn't at, by the way) and forcing him to claim any different from my "rolefishing" earlier? Come to think of it, you've already got a claim out of me. Now you're trying to get a claim out of someone else? This is making me feel uneasy about you. I guess I'll have to ISO you, in addition to Bogre.
Rolefishing is when you sublty try to find out someone role, try to trick someone into giving info that will let you figure out their role. Like, when you ask Haylen a question like "Why is it you don't want to claim?"; it sounds like you're trying to find out if she dosn't want to claim because she has a power role.
Anyway, what's going on here is that Glork attacks Bogre, and in response, you basically try to prevent Bogre from getting to lynch -1, try to prevent him from having to claim, and threaten to attack Glork for wagoning Bogre. It's hard to read that in any way other then as a defense of Bogre.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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And, the day was already over before I said that, lol.
Anyway, in case I die before tomorrow; if Bogre flips scum, lynch SaintK. If Bogre flips town; actually, I'm really having trouble coming up with any likely scum pairs if Bogre flips town, but look at people in the group of (Zach, SaintK, Mae, possibly Haylen although I think she's town), and some of those pairs obviously don't make sense, so use your judgment. I'm no longer suspicious of Eli.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Actually, if we mislynch today, and 1 townie is killed at night, then its game over.Haylen wrote:If we mislynch today, and 2 townies are killed during the night, it'll be game over.
We could no-lynch, that's normally what you do with 6 people left in probable lynch-or-lose but if there is a vig who still has kills left, we might be better off lynching and letting the vig shoot tonight.
Anyway, since Bogre flipped town, I think Zach becomes a reasonable suspect again...hmm. Really running out of suspects here.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Basically, here are our options:Haylen wrote:
What if the vig shoots wrongly again?Yosarian2 wrote:
Actually, if we mislynch today, and 1 townie is killed at night, then its game over.Haylen wrote:If we mislynch today, and 2 townies are killed during the night, it'll be game over.
We could no-lynch, that's normally what you do with 6 people left in probable lynch-or-lose but if there is a vig who still has kills left, we might be better off lynching and letting the vig shoot tonight.
Anyway, since Bogre flipped town, I think Zach becomes a reasonable suspect again...hmm. Really running out of suspects here.
1. No-lynch, no vig kill, scum kills, we go into tommorow with 5 people alive. Lynch or lose, two lynches left, have to lynch scum both times.
2. No-lynch, vig kill, if vig kill is wrong we lose, if it's right we go into tommorow with 4 people. (worst option)
3. Lynch, no vig kill; if we lynch wrong, we lose, if we lynch right, scum kills, we go into tommorow with 4 people (bad option)
4. Lynch, vig kill; if either the lynch or the vig kill hits scum, we go into a 3 man endgame. IF both lynch and vig kill hit scum, we win. If both hit town, we lose. (This is really the best option, IF we have a vig. This way, we have 3 chances to kill the scum instead of just 2, and if one of the two hit we end up in a 3 man endgame instead of a 4 man endgame, which is also better odds.)
Basically, if we have a vig who wasn't a one-shot, our best option is to lynch today and have the vig shoot tonight. If we don't have a vig (or, theoretically, some pro-town role that can stop a kill), then our best option is to no-lynch and at least get onto odd numbers for tommorow.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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...why?SaintKerrigan wrote:And how do we know it's a vig rather than a Serial Killer? Personally, I'm more inclined to believe 1 Mafioso + Serial Killer right now, given that I see more advantage for an SK or the Mafia to no-kill than a vig deciding to no-kill.
A SK should kill every night, generally speaking. The kill is an incredibly powerful tool; SK can either get rid of an unlynchable guy, or a pro-town power role, or a mafia. Plus, by skipping 2 kills, the SK gives us another chance to lynch him.
I don't think a vig should shoot every night, personally, but a SK generally should; the only time it's ever logical for a SK to not shoot every night is if they're pretending to be a vig, and while that's possible, it's not usually the best plan.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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(shrug) If people don't want to mass claim today, I'd be willing to just say "If there is a vig who can still kill, he or she should claim today; if no one does, then we need to no lynch." That might be preferable, in fact; if there was a one-shot vig or something, then we don't want the scum to know who it is if we're going to no-lynch.Haylen wrote:Lol. I REALLY don't want a mass claim.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Woah...really? So the scum have only killed once this game, or else you and the scum targeted the same person twice? That's bizzare.Haylen wrote:Lol. What if the Vig is two scared to claim? Knowing that she's shot 2 power roles and 1 townie already. I don't think she wants people to think that badly of her, since the whole game rests on her shoulders tonight.
Just to be clear, you are claiming vig, correct?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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's ok, Haylen. It happens. Vig is an evil, evil role.Haylen wrote:
I'm too disappointed in myself to talk about it.Yos wrote: Just to be clear, you are claiming vig, correct?
Gayle was vigged, btw.
Ok, so unless we get a counterclaim, Haylen has to be either Vig or Sk. (I'd say 80% chance of vig). I think Eli is town.
So, if there is a two man scumteam remaining, it has to be in the group of (# SaintKerrigan
# Zachrulez
# Maemuki)
I doubt SaintK and Zach are scum together, considering how SaintK's been attacking Zach all game, so assuming there's a 2 man scum group, the scum is probably (SaintK+Mae) or (Zach+Mae). Zach+Mae is probably more likely. In any case, I think today we lynch Mae, and then Haylen shoots tonight.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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