Mafia 39: Back to Gambits - Game over!

[jeep]

Not to be too contrary, but the bookie

could

contribute a LOT towards getting someone lynched.

One solution to the 3 day requirement-- the mod can have the masons send in a note when they feel they've discussed enough. The others can withhold their choice until they are finished.

As to how much discussion is required... there should be a lot of discussion. Maybe not night 1, but definitely on later nights there should be.

The thing that is most in favor of the town, is the fact that there are two killing groups. We have them trying to kill each other off first, which is good.

mod:

Will you please update the governor role in the second post?

vote: Puzzle

... I got your back, Pooky! (jeepfest reference, don't read anything into it

-JEEP

[jeep]

Vote: Jeep
because he is the uber-pro

OK, sure. I'll

unvote: Pooky; vote HezLucky

and I'll encourage everyone else to join me. The ONLY people who want me dead this early are scum. No matter what my alignment is, the town wants me alive. If I'm scum, I'll reduce the opposing scum to nothing. If I'm town, I'll reduce both opposing scums to nothing. So yeah, clearly HezLucky is the way to go.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Actually, without the comment, it's not really a big deal. With the comment, his vote for me makes zero sense. You can chalk my vote up to OMGUS, if you want, but it's not.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Pshew, not sure I have time to post all my thoughts/comments, now, but I'll try. In no particular order, other then the order I saw them when skimming back through the topic...

dybeck

: What do YOU think an OMGUS vote is? I don't think I ever twisted your words, and if I did so, it was an honest misunderstanding of what you said.

HezLucky

: Good job. I would like to know where I seriously claimed to be a pro. Others have thrust the title upon me and I've written up some disputed articles, but that doesn't make me a pro. But good job in trying to belittle me anyway.

Jeep's comment is weird. All though I've seen him joke that "he's never scum, ever" before.

Joke? What joke?

For the record: I'm not voting HezLucky based on an investigation result.

In NYPD, it was necessary for the scum to work together because of the situation. Generally, opposing mafia (or adding a SK) will increase the town's odds of winning. They need to kill each other off. (That's why it's sometimes good to claim SK to avoid a lynch.) And I wasn't scum in that game, it was a mod mistake. Had I been scum and had I thought about it, I would have encouraged my scum buddies to not kill Fuldu, since I think, had I been scum, that I could have communicated to him without the town becoming clued into the communications in a way that would have affected anything. The problem with that game was a mental lock that, if I had been scum, I would have wanted to eliminate the opposing scum first to keep my family intact. Hence, Fuldu's demise.

BabyJesus

, are you seriously comparing yourself to God (not the player, but the diety)?? Wow. Also, the bandwagon on me is not as good as any other.

To all

, please unbold quoted votes. In my games, I have started counting them as votes. They are extra annoying when trying to quickly do vote counts. Let's be nice to the mod.

Too strong of a response? Bollucks. Overreaction? B.S. I admit, I've moved away from the subtle "Try to manipulate the town to do what you want" strategy that I used to use to the "Beat the town with a stick until they do what you want" strategy of Antrax, but it worked for him and it has been working for me. Besides, the closer the scum think I am to getting lynched (without me actually in real danger of getting lynched) the longer I stay alive.

-JEEP

[jeep]

I've always understood an OMGUS vote to be voting purely (or mostly) because one is angry, or spiteful, that they have been voted for by another - especially if they see no good reason for it.

In my experience, that hasn't been the case. OMGUS is often playful. The emotion is not really relevant. OMGUS is voting for someone solely because they voted for you.

Your claim that it was logically motivated, rather than spiteful, was intended to encourage others to follow your bandwagon. And that struck me as scummy.

OK, so you don't want the town to be motivated by logic? Hmm. Interesting. Now, had you said here: "Your logic was faulty and you used that faulty logic to encourage the other to follow your bandwagon. And that struck me as scummy" then I'd have no comment, but to claim that using logic and encouraging people to follow is scummy... that seems a bit off.

And are you implying the bandwagon on you is BETTER then?

Nope. You might be inferring that, but I'm not implying that.

I'm bothered that he still thinks it would be a smart move to lynch HezLucky, based only on a single vote which was called temporary, during the lets-throw-some-votes-around-to-stoke-discussion phase of day 1.

Really? Hmm... You should really read previous games I've been in. Heh. And again, I'm not voting because of the vote, I'm voting him because of the stated reason.

What's the difference between SpeedKQ jumping on Jeep's bandwagon and STD jumping on my bandwagon?

SpeedyKQ is on the wrong bandwagon, STD isn't.

-JEEP

[jeep]

It is most often mafia that seem confident of their vote.

Did I say that? Most often is not good. Please show me where I said that and I'll fix it. Mafia members generally have more information than any others, so they generally pick up on hints more effectively and react to them more solidly.

Nevertheless, Jeep's strange reaction combined with lack of any sort of reasoning (other than "it was his reason" ...) should've gotten him lynched by now.

?? What? No way. It should have sparked discussion, but no matter who it was, it shouldn't have gotten me lynched. And I'll be some kind of upset if I get lynched without people waiting after I get close. I'm confident I won't be lynched today.

Also, Um... Where should I have used IF and didn't?

I think you have sorely misunderstood anything I've written.

Also, the "because he's the uber-pro" comment IS a reason to vote you. You claim to think I'm a "pro". So let's think about this. If you are townie and you assume I’m a “pro”, your thought process should be:

Hmm... if jeep is mafia, we want him around until he gives us the opposing mafia because in this set up, two opposing mafia helps the town. He'd want to eliminate the opposing mafia ASAP. So I shouldn't vote him yet. If jeep is townie, we don't want to lynch him. OK, so lynching jeep is a bad idea, let's look at the next person...

And have I ever said you were proven to be mafia? No.

I’m actually starting to think you aren’t. But I have no regrets in voting you to get more information.

unvote Hez; vote dybeck

, but I'll happily switch to StD.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Oh how I wish this had been posted when I started my last post.

jeep, the only reason you are voting Hez is because you are slightly egotistical (no offense) and you got your pride hurt when he voted you.

Oh no you di'n't!

Nah, my pride was never hurt. However, after MeMe berated me in the last game of hers that I played in, maybe I should post more details. But how do I do it best?

I'll start writing up a post, and I'm sure it'll be long. I'll take it to EMACS and post it when it's done. Likely at lunch tomorrow.

-JEEP

[jeep]

mod

: Can we get an official vote count, please?

EMACS is the program I use for editting text files. I could have said "I'll take it to notepad" or whatever.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Wow, no break this morning, so my comments are still pending (assuming I ever finish them.)

I'll

unvote: dy; vote: StD

, which crosses the half way threshhold. StD, now's the time to scramble to save your skin.

Pooky! So calm and collected... Where's the insane Pooky, I know and love?

-JEEP

[jeep]

Actually, now, I'm pretty sure dybeck and StD are BOTH scum.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Who could forget about our uberpro jeep? See above. And your convinced. Yet you also could have said something before speedy, but chose not to.

?? Say something before Speedy? You mean like this?
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 599#206599

I'm MORE than happy with my vote.

-JEEP

[jeep]

I'd be happy lynching either of them. The other should die tonight, anyway. Scum want to kill off the opposing scum, and I'm so convinced they are both scum.

Your newest allegation is nothing more than craplogic.

What is my newest allegation?

Oh and check out V/LA.

-JEEP

[jeep]

I'm opposed to mass role claim.

I'm 99% sure that dybeck and StD are both scum. I wouldn't mind lynching either of them. I shouldn't help the scum, but if you are scum, and StD is not in your group, you should kill him.

Mass role claim has got to be one of the stupidest ideas I have heard yet.

Hmm. This makes me less sure of my previous thoughts on you. *sigh* Care to link me to other games you played in recently? Or do I need to go look things up sometime when I have more time?

A mass roleclaim is exactly what the scum want us to do. Hopefully the town isn't stupid enough to oblige.

Assassin, this quote brings you into serious question. Maybe even putting you up to near 3rd or 4th.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Well, I'm happy with either lynch, so

Unvote: StD; Vote: dybeck

-JEEP

[jeep]

I've re-read it and it doesn't seem crazy to me. What seems crazy is that we have two scum and we can't decide which to lynch. It doesn't matter. The other is going to get killed by the opposing family.

-JEEP

[jeep]

OK, Fuldu moves to position 3 with his last post. You're in the same family as StD, eh?

Good to know.

Speedy, ok, I'll ignore you. It appears you now understand my point.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Generally, it's one of those things that just happens. But in this game, I'd be some kind of upset.

-JEEP

[jeep]

I'm not up to date on this topic, I just skimmed the last two pages. I'd be upset this game because of stuff I know.

BJ, I'm happy with lynching STD. Oh, yeah, I mentioned that before.

unvote; vote StD

-JEEP

[jeep]

Heh, sorry, I answered a question way out of context... 2 pages too late for that type of response.

That should read: "To answer your question about why I'd be upset if I got lynched in this game... I'd be upset because of stuff I know. "

Sorry all.

-JEEP

[jeep]

No time today, more tomorrow, but seriously, just vote StD already.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Just one more, as far as I can tell. Still don't have computer for a few hours, but I'll try to post more then. I wouldn't worry about putting StD over, btw.

-JEEP

[jeep]

OK, we won't. Seriously, I'd like to get to night by tomorrow noon.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Holy crap, ro... you are amazing.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 227#210227

Amazing! New number 2.

-JEEP

[jeep]

*sigh* We're not going to get this day over by lunch, are we? Bleh.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Don't stop the wagon! I don't want this to last as long as Intrigue... I feel like I'm channelling IS, but... let's lynch StD, already!

-JEEP

[jeep]

I'm not changing my vote. Thanks for the deadline Cadmium!

I'd love to see some substantive posts from people like MoS and Pooky.

Pooky! What's up? Why aren't you posting? Trying to stay under the radar??

Hmm...

-JEEP

[jeep]

Huh...

It's hard to make substantive posts with so little to analyze.

?!?!?! Pooky, you are insane.

Astronaut, What are you doing? Let's all just get rid of StD today and get to night w/o having to have a deadline lynch.

-JEEP

[jeep]

If you are the real Angel, I simply purpose you counterclaim

Blackberry, it's clearly bad for the angel to counterclaim. Seriously, just trust me on this and vote StD.

-JEEP

[jeep]

What? Why would the masons claim now? Unless one or more was dead, I mean. Masons are my favorite role. You can claim when you need to in order to avoid a lynch and no one can counter claim, and they aren't powerful enough that the mafia really care about killing them, until later when their block vote is powerful. But why claim early?

-JEEP

[jeep]

Hmm... Blackberry, the masons really can't be disputed in any case. Unless there is only one alive.

BJ, as Blackberry said, it also narrows the field for the bad guys to find the power roles.

-JEEP

[jeep]

I think the masons will claim if two or three more people agree to it... ?

I think it's a bad idea. MAYBE one mason could claim, but there is no reason for all the masons to claim now.

-JEEP

[jeep]

If enough people agree with me, I will reveal the two other masons (both are still alive).

Well, there are 9 scummy folks that all agree with you. Is that enough people? I don't think you should have revealed yourself, it seems reckless and senseless. But w/o a counterclaim, you are cleared. So tell people to get on the StD wagon and let's get to night already!

-JEEP

[jeep]

Wow, I'm back.. I have a ton to catch up on. Sounds like the game is well in hand.

I don't waste my time if I can help it. I'm too busy to do that. And playing games is not a waste of time.

So ALL the bad guys are dead except for one and he turns good if lynched? Huh. Why are we still playing? I'll read up starting tomorrow.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Hang on the claims are like this?

1. Blackberry Mason
   
2. jeep Mason
   
3. NanookTheWolf Mason
   
4. Puzzle Archangel
   
5. rolandofthewhite Seer
   
6. Thoth Judas
   
7. Astronaut civilian
   
8. BabyJesus civilian
   
9. Fritzler civilian
   
10. PeaceBringer civilian

We have all three masons, an uncontested Archangel and Seer? Our opponents are:
1) Saulus, who cannot kill, and becomes pro-town if lynched?
2) Judas, if he's lynched, and he still cannot kill?

Am I missing something here?
1) Why hasn't Saulus claimed?? Who isn't around right now?
2) Could Saulus have been killed at night? Or would he have then been revealed as "evil"? I suspect this is the case
3) Could Judas have been killed at night? If so, Thoth is Saulus.

Our mayor and vigilante are, presumably, dead.

We can win just by lynching everyone but the masons as suggested. First start with the civilians, then Thoth (maybe twice), then the archangel and seer.

If any of the civilians aren't around, we'll lynch them first, since it makes no sense for Saulus to not just claim and get the win sooner.

Is anyone of the four civilians not around?

-JEEP

[jeep]

vote: Peacebringer

The rest have already posted today. It seems absurd to not claim Saulus if you are Saulus and he's the only civilian who is absent so far today.

-JEEP

[jeep]

Woo hoo. Logic to the rescue. Well, I will still read the game through, but not immediately now.

-JEEP