New York 116 - Prozacs Large Normal - Who won?

[Wraith]

AGar! *shakes fist* Curse yoooooooooou!

[Wraith]

VOTE: Fugitive

, who is clearly dangerous.

[Wraith]

Sup all, back from vacation. Shouldn't have anymore interruptions until late August when I do some moving. Anyways, I see that there are two bandwagons going up, and that diginova is at L-2. There has also been some limited discussion on policy lynches. Since there wasn't an RQS, I'm gonna ask a question for every now: My only policy lynch is Lynch All Liars. Liars, if they aren't scum, are extremely dangerous. I developed this attitude toward liars during my first newbie game, in which a VT fake-claimed Cop in a botched attempt to draw a night kill. As a result, he had to lie and double-lie about his "result" and ended up drawing a lot of heat that could have been used to find the real scum (AGar was present at this game, and I was scum in that game, funnily enough). Who agrees and who disagrees with this polcy lynch and why?

At the moment I don't want to commit to any bandwagon, mostly because 6 pages is not enough discussion for a first day in any game (my other game had that much before a VT self-hammer'd, when I left there were no leads whatsoever for Day 2) and partially because I'm lazy and haven't read totally in-depth. I'll see how discussion evolves from here, but I urge y'all not to go to L-1 until we get at least 8 more pages of discussion and potential scumtells.

[Wraith]

FoS: Wraith

Because he's fence-sitting and stalling L-1... Keeping a close eye on him.

Is promoting more discussions and scumslips a scummy action now? I can't really read sarcasm, only hear it, so if you're being sarcastic, let me know. It seems you have a policy "Wraith is scum" because you're in every game I play and in each of them you either finger me or vote for me. It would be a really stupid thing to close the day right now, so for trying for an early bandwagon and lynch (and obvious scumtell)

FoS: AGar

Call it OMGUS if you want, but I've put out my logic.

[Wraith]

@Zorblag: I asked the question so I could put it out there that I'm going to vote for anyone we catch in a lie. As for the claim, I said before that I didn't read in total detail (I did see the claim though), I was just going to mostly play off of what came next. As for the claim, it sounds reasonable. But other than that I'm not sure I have much to go on. Tell me, why did this bandwagon start again?

[Wraith]

Oh, whoops.

Unvote

Leaning toward AGar as scum. Pushing an early lynch is a scumtell, and he's trying to get rid of me because I'm trying to prevent the early lynch.

Vote: AGar

[Wraith]

Unvote

Based off actual in-depth reading.

[Wraith]

^this is not a Charlie vote.

Compiling ISOs alphabetically ATM. AGar has a pro-town read from me for now.

[Wraith]

Charlie is now looking seriously scummy to me right now. I'm waiting for more content too but I'm at least trying to contribute. You're avoiding questions and making excuses.

FoS: Charlie

[Wraith]

@Zorblag: I just wanted to know everyone else's attitude toward the policy. Several people support policy lynches and I wanted to put my own policy lynch out there.

[Wraith]

Activities dropping somwhat ATM due to Starcraft II (:P). So I'll post my first four finished ISOs to keep my activity up. Note: These were compiled last night, so I probably don't have all these people's latest posts. Bolded posts are what I see as scummy, italicized are townie, all others are neutral.

AGar

0: off-topic
1: hello
2: off-topic
3: off-topic
4: votes for diginova b/c diginova started a policy lynch on millar
5: justifies vote, says confirmation bias is scummy
6: randomvote
7: states randomvote is random
8: states joke posts are null tells
9: votes Wraith, guessing RVS
10: EBWOP
11: pushes Wraith BW
12: claims Wraith is scummy

13: claims pro-town read on Fugitive, votes diginova, justifies by saying policy lynches limit scumhunting
14: justifies RVS votes by claiming random votes garner reactions from players

15: wants Charlie to be specific on a null-tell
16: restates vote on diginova, repeats specification from Charlie

17: scumhunts Fugitive based on F’s randomvote for mothrax BW
18: rightfully accuses diginova of lurking strat, rightfully scumhunts Fugitive for wagoning for no reason

19: accuses diginova of fence-sitting, neutral regarding claim
20: FoS Wraith for fence-sitting and

preventing L-1

21: questions Lowell’s vote
22: votes Wraith for being twitchy on an FoS
23: justifies Wraith vote claiming setting “deadline” for discussion is scummy

Has contributed a lot and done a lot of scumhunting. However I have to say you’re jumping the gun on diginova and myself. You had some good points on diginova before the claim but it seems reasonable enough. Some players do some lurking on Day 1, I’m usually one of them. And you know I’m a twitchy player by nature.

Conclusion: Leaning Pro-Town

Anon

0: randomvote, questions AGar’s Fugitive vote
1: questions AGar on joke posts being tells
2: rereading after prod
3: votes diginova, justifies based on overdefensiveness
4: believes diginova’s jailkeeper claim, votes mothrax
5: votes Charlie based on lurking and major fence-sitting
6: elaborates on post 5
7: attacks Charlie, pushes Charlie lynch
8: asks Charlie to scumhunt

Dropped out of activity for almost a week, I don’t think scum would do that TBH. Accuses Charlie justifiably, but I’m concerned about the possibility that he’s tunneling scum.

Conclusion: Slightly Leaning Pro-Town

Benmage

0: off-topic
1: off-topic
2: randomvote
3: asks diginova to explain policy lynch on millar
4: dislikes Zorblag’s posting style
5: off-topic
6: like’s AGar’s RVS maneuvering, fan of policy lynches, agrees/disagrees with several posts, votes Mothrax
7: answering prod
8: catching up
9: states AGar is jumping to conclusions on diginova, agrees with LAL, counters mothrax’s attack on his vote
10: says mothrax’s holding vote on diginova despite claim “shows balls”

Has had several drops in activity which I doubt scum will do. Has contributed much in regards to his own personal policies but has usually served as a “yes man” to other players. Need some more contribution.

Conclusion: Neutral

CCARaven4

0: randomvote
1: Unvotes, claims RVS is null-tell
2: votes diginova for

“joining a BW” reasons

3: maintains diginova vote based on flailing and deflection
4: elaborates on diginova’s actions
5: justifies diginova vote, attacks Toon Fighter and Fugitive

I think you’ve given good enough reasons for your vote on diginova, but that is offset by the iffy “I’ll just hop on the bandwagon for the hell of it” reasoning when you first voted for diginova. In short, post more. I’ve seen very little out of you in comparison to others.

Conclusion: Neutral

[Wraith]

I've been addicted to a new game last few days and had a big meeting today. I'll try to get my activity up by weekend.

[Wraith]

Next four. I think I have my vote for the day. Bold is scummy actions, italics is townie actions. Scale is neutral, slightly leaning, leaning, certain, confirmed

Charlie

0: randomvote
1: offtopic
2: page 3 is null-tell page
3: talks about his mafia sense
4: jokepost
5: believes mothrax is deflecting to diginova
6: page 3 is null-tell
7: claims Lowell’s vote against him is unreasonable
8: rebukes Anon’s claims of his scumminess
9: sarcasm to Anon’s joke
10: suspicion of Anon

11: claims lurking for new content, claims diginova not a suspect

12: claims will get activity up
13: explains lurking playstyle for game

14: analysis of game so far, rightfully points out Raven’s case in #100 is weak, believes dignova’s JK claim

, votes Wraith, FoS mothrax/Raven/Zorblag
15: asks for AGar’s suspicions
16: answers Toon Fighter on reading his game
17: calls for more votes on Wraith
18: attacks Raven, claims any lynch (including himself) is better than no lynch
19: specifies case against Wraith

Charlie has a history of lurking and fencesitting. Even his Post 14 WoT is non-commital, but I see that he specifically attacks myself and Raven. But since he seems to be actively scumhunting, I’m balancing out my read on him.

Conclusion: Neutral

diginova

0: policy lynch
1: justifies policy lynch
2: unvotes
3: attempts to justify policy lynch as a random vote when it is not,

attempts to dissuade AGar from scumhunting and ending RVS

4: explains policy lynch
5: calls out Raven on joining his BW, FoS Raven
6: explains lurking
7: explains playstyle
8: claims town jailkeeper
9: explains claim
10: talks about policy lynch of Lowell’s wagoneering

Diginova’s entire scumminess in the early game rested on the fact that he tried to push a policy lynch. Keep in mind that this policy lynch was rendered null considering that the player he was pushing for it got replaced. However, I must point out that he claimed almost 5 days ago, and that got people to cool off his wagon.

He has made two posts since then.

There is definitely a possibility he is scum doing major lurking to prevent suspicion coming back on him.

Conclusion: Slightly Leaning Scum

Fugitive

0: hello
1: randomvote
2: OMGUS
3: likes his vote on AGar
4: pushes AGar lynch
5: pushes AGar lynch
6: responds to mod
7: Votes mothrax,

joins mothrax wagon for no reason

8:

claims reason for joing mothrax BW is because diginova has a cooler name

9: offtopic
10: explains wagon vote
11: explains wagon vote
12: explains wagon vote
13: rightfully claims Raven is deflecting
14: attacks Stef
15: attacks Stef
16: claims OMGUS from mothrax

Fugitive switches between some people to target, usually for OMGUS or BW reasons. He attacked AGar at first because of a randomvote. He voted mothrax for absolutely no reason. He attacked Stef for…some reason.

In addition he has not made a post in almost four days. Conclusion: Leaning Scum

Lowell

0: randomvote
1: votes mothrax for overreaction
2: answers prod

3: votes Charlie for overreaction (where?)
4: prod avoidance, states will join any BW
5: votes mothrax, joins mothrax BW for no reason
6: explains BW vote as mothrax BW has more people
7: pushes mothrax BW with no reasoning other than it is a BW

Lowell has tunneled mothrax the whole game except for a short period voting for Charlie. He has openly stated that he will join whatever bandwagon “looks fun” for no reason. He has posted very little, lurked all game, given almost no justifiable reasoning for any of his votes, but continues to push for mothrax’s lynch with absolutely no evidence or reasoning on his part.

Conclusion: Scum

I have a theory: Lowell and Fugitive are both scum. Evidence:

-They both voted for the mothrax wagon
-They both joined a wagon for no reason
-They have both posted either barely at all or with little useful content
-THEY ARE BOTH TUNNELING MOTHRAX WITH NO CASE

<--this is a biggie

-They have made no attempts to scumhunt and vote on craplogic

[Wraith]

Forgot about this:

VOTE: Lowell

[Wraith]

Also, a triple post. MOD: Just glimped Mighty Orbots post list and he has not posted since the 17th. Prod or replace, please?

[Wraith]

@wraith- It's day 1 and our leading vote-getter has four votes. No kidding, I pretty much will join any wagon. Not sure what you want me to defend in that.

Yeah, it's day 1, but you're just blindly voting for the most likely person to be lynched and haven't even bothered to help the town. You're trying to seem like "just another reckless townie" and lurking to keep suspicion away from you. None of your posts have had any real content, and you brush off accusations of this as "It's just Day 1."

[Wraith]

I'd like some comments on my case against Lowell, please.

[Wraith]

I'd like some comments on my case against Lowell, please.

I think the case against Lowell can be boiled down to laziness.

You replaced Fugitive. I suspected Fugitive and Lowell of possibly being a scumteam. Someone else, please?

[Wraith]

Now that I'm finished with my ISOs on my newbie game I can finish them here. Maybe I'll turn up something from the other players, but I'm not confident. I'll get them up late tonight or tomorrow.

[Wraith]

Oh, forgot this:

@AGar: You do have a point. But still, from what I've seen so far, no one really has any connection to anybody, aside from the very flimsy possibility that Fugitive and Lowell are tunneling together under the radar. Who are your top suspects at the moment?

[Wraith]

Ah, I see you're talking about the mothrax wagon. That's not something that Fugitive(now me) and Lowell would have to explain alone. All the people on that wagon could be tunneling mothrax using that logic. And I'm not tunneling mothrax; I unvoted for him.

Like I said, it's flimsy, it could be a coincidence. But IMO their playstyles and suspicions are/were very similar, and neither contributed anything to help the town. To me, it's almost "too much" of a coincidence.

[Wraith]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage

I approve of this service/product.

Vote: Benmage

Hang on a moment there, you're not getting away under the radar. Why do you want to lynch Benmage? (If you mentioned it in an earlier post I probably haven't seen it yet)

[Wraith]

^Without using the word "bogus," Lowell's null-tell lack of contribution is no cause for vote.

I'm guessing this is also aimed at me, somewhat. It's not his lack of contribution that concerns me (I often lurk during the first few pages in a game), it's the fact that he's voting for people with absolutely no reasoning and attempting to make it appear as a "reckless townie vote." If you want to see bogus votes, look at Lowell's voting record.

That fact that you seem to be constantly defending Lowell is increasing by suspicion of a Lowell/Tazaro scumteam.

On Benmage's avatar, I personally don't mind. Being the only person in the topic with no avatar makes his absence of an avatar an image to associate with him in itself.

[Wraith]

How is that defense? I was answering BenMage's question about why I thought Anon's suspicion of him was valid.

Oh. *slaps self* Took it out of context, sorry.

However, Benmage doesn't look particularly scummy to me. Sure, he pushed a policy lynch on Lowell, but IMO if you look at Lowell's actions in THIS game alone, I think it can be justified to lynch him on a "lynch all players using craplogic and randomvotes after RVS" policy. Shortly put, if he is going to contribute something he needs to start doing it now, or else I'd advocate lynching him solely for being dangerous is a LyLo situation. Judging by the fact that he hasn't posted in what - three days? - it doesn't look like he's going to contribute at all.

[Wraith]

Excuse me, I'm an idiot, cuz he posted yesterday. But he's posted 9 times for 14 pages of discussion that have absolutely no material.

[Wraith]

@Tazaro: While I did bring up the subject of a Lowell policy lynch in my last post, I'm not voting for him on policy, I'm voting for him because he seems the scummiest. Benmage honestly doesn't seem scummy to me, but if you have anyone else who you think is scummier than Lowell (besides Benmage) let me know.

However, I'm not sure if someone brought this up earlier, but I might be better suited putting my vote for someone else. Lowell isn't that active and has drawn fire from most everyone for only his lurking/fence-sitting/wagoning. If we lynch him and he does by chance flip town, we'll have nothing. Maybe we should lynch Benmage after all, since he's semi-active, has drawn fire for multiple reasons, and has enemies. If Benmage flips town, which I find more likely, we'll have more material to work off of during Day 2.

Still, for now I'm going to keep my vote on Lowell unless I find a better suspect or a better reason to vote for someone else.

Mod, what's the deadline for this again?

[Wraith]

Hey, everyone, why don't we stop the flamefest before it starts getting ugly and discuss things properly please. It doesn't matter if you think Lowell's play in other games is bad or scummy or what, what DOES matter is the fact that LOWELL'S PLAY IN THIS GAME IS ANTI-TOWN. How about instead of focusing on player-focused policy lynches and meta we focus on the only policy lynch everyone follows - lynch the scum.

[Wraith]

When even I'm bored with the pace of the game you people got problems.

I agree with more votes. I'll join most wagons if wraith is no good for you.

@Sandman: This is why I'm more for the Lowell lynch. His play is non-existent and dangerous. If he's scum he's really obvious scum, if he's town he's extremely dangerous to keep around. He's just a vote the scum can manipulate, nothing more. To be honest the more I talk about the more I believe that he's just a VI.

@Zorblag: The reason I suspected Fugitive and Lowell as a scumteam was because they were jumping on a popular wagon with no reasoning and barely acknowledging each other if at all. A good scumteam subtly distances themselves from each other while finding excuses to join in on the same wagon. In a large game, it's much easier to go without even acknowledging your scum partners because you can just blend in. To me Fugitive and Lowell were working towards the same goals and trying to look like VIs or reckless townies. However, Tazaro plays differently from Lowell. He's active, he's tunneling Benmage, and he's not just jumping on the most popular wagon. I'm starting to become inclined that Lowell is VI and Tazaro is a toss-up. Tazaro could be a scumhunter or he could be scum.

What I want to do now is lynch someone and see what the flip can bring us. If there is a Vig, I urge him to kill Lowell tonight or tomorrow night unless he gets activity and contribution up. 10 posts for 16 pages and nobody is pushing for him to bring it up except me. On the lynch, let's lynch someone who is somewhat active and has enemies. The flip will tell us more on who is who.

Unvote

Vote: Benmage

Sorry, dude.

[Wraith]

Oh, I just noticed the OMGUS from Lowell. He moved from "any wagon, no reason" to "here's a reason for my vote" and he wants to move back to "any wagon, no reason."

Lowell seriously needs to die sometime before LyLo.

[Wraith]

I want to lynch someone who is in the center of the conflict. You know, since I read Benmage as town, I'll vote for the other side of the equation, who I initially thought was scum and now think of as neutral. Good point Toogeloo.

Unvote

Vote: Tazaro

[Wraith]

I want to lynch someone who is in the center of the conflict. You know, since I read Benmage as town, I'll vote for the other side of the equation, who I initially thought was scum and now think of as neutral. Good point Toogeloo.

Unvote

Vote: Tazaro

/facepalm
You read the guy town and you voted him anyways?

I wasn't thinking straight when I made that vote XD. I lost track of things because I mostly skipped over the whole Benmage/Tazaro arguments.

I had a scumread on Fugitive, but he's been replaced. So Tazaro kind of inherits some of that scumminess, even though I think he plays a more townie game than Fugitive. At this point I'm not entirely sure who to vote for. I doubt we'll get scum today so I'm betting that a flip from a player in the middle of conflicts will produce results. If anyone has any good leads, please let me know.

[Wraith]

Actually, Toogeloo - directing a vig to bite Lowell is a good move. We don't have to waste a policy driven lynch on him.

Dude, seriously?

Not cool. I'm clearly town and awesome.

You have made no attempt to help the town. Your choice of vote is "whatever the best wagon is," and the "best" wagons are often those piled on my scum. You have made no attempt to justify your actions as being town beyond "I'm totally town, believe me. Even though all my actions are scummy or stupid." You have actively lurked the entire game. You have contributed absolutely nothing to any form of discussion. If you're town, then you're a Village Idiot, as I've said.

[Wraith]

Lowell, if you are in fact town, convince us that you are town. Why should we believe you?

[Wraith]

I would be an interesting lynch, actually. When I flip town, that'll give you information on all my enemies. However, me knowing that I am town puts me in the position of having reads on who I have reads on now, nothing more. So, suffice to say, I don't think you'll be anywhere. I'm still very conflicted as to who to lynch today.

[Wraith]

Okay, enough with the jumping around and random guesses. I'm voting for who I think is scum or needs to die and no more. I've been an idiot with my last few posts. We'll see what comes up tomorrow.

Unvote

Vote: Lowell

[Wraith]

Admitting now that I was using some really bad logic with my last couple votes.

[Wraith]

Here's why the vote on me is dumb. Can I meta me a moment?

Sometimes (particularly early) I don't post as much as others, so even when I'm obvtown (this game) it's popular to say "well, I'd better say how I think lowell is scum for not contributing, since certainly everyone else will!" Then I end up getting lynched even though no one really thinks I'm scum ever, they just

think

they should think I'm scum. Got it?

In particular I tend to draw scumfire for this reason. Scum want to lead the charge in pointing out my scumminess just to prove how OMGtown they are. Townies usually have the sense to follow their actual convictions and not the percieved convictions of others.

How are you obvtown? You have done absolutely nothing beneficial to the town and have shown no signs of being town at all other the "I'm totally town, guys." I have explained multiple times how scummy or at least dangerous you are and you have made no attempts to prove me wrong directly or indirectly.

[Wraith]

I'll be doing ISOs on my wagoneeers so you have some information when I flip town.

[Wraith]

So don't lynch me until I have a chance to finish.

[Wraith]

I'm close to finished with my ISO (Tazaro is a doozy) and I'm going to do Stef as well, because I've noticed how hard Benmage and Toogeloo have been going after him.

[Wraith]

Charlie

0: randomvote
1: offtopic
2: page 3 is null-tell page
3: talks about his mafia sense
4: jokepost
5: believes mothrax is deflecting to diginova
6: page 3 is null-tell
7: claims Lowell’s vote against him is unreasonable
8: rebukes Anon’s claims of his scumminess
9: sarcasm to Anon’s joke
10: suspicion of Anon

11: claims lurking for new content, claims diginova not a suspect

12: claims will get activity up
13: explains lurking playstyle for game
14: analysis of game so far, rightfully points out Raven’s case in #100 is weak, believes dignova’s JK claim, votes Wraith, FoS mothrax/Raven/Zorblag
15: asks for AGar’s suspicions
16: answers Toon Fighter on reading his game
17: calls for more votes on Wraith
18: attacks Raven, claims any lynch (including himself) is better than no lynch
19: specifies case against Wraith
20: comments on votecount, urges townies to vote and unify
21: suspicions on Wraith lowered
22: asks for case against him from Tazaro
23: believes Tazaro’s case against him is pro-town
24: asks Benmage why he would not rather lynch Wraith
25: asks for specification from AGar
26: asks Benmage about Lowell

Charlie did a crapload of lurking early game and did not get activity up until greatly pressured. While this is scummy, his play since then has read like a semi-zealous scumhunter, and I commend him for suspecting the right people (Lowell).

Conclusion: Leaning Pro-Town

Lowell

0: randomvote
1: votes diginova for overreaction
2: answers prod

3: votes Charlie for overreaction (where?)
4: prod avoidance, states will join any BW
5: votes mothrax, joins mothrax BW for no reason
6: explains BW vote as mothrax BW has more people
7: pushes mothrax BW with no reasoning other than it is a BW, accuses lurkers and fence-sitters of scumminess despite being king of them all

8: states that he will make no attempt to analyze and will join any wagon because it is Day 1

9: a very scummy OMGUS
10: restates that he will join any wagon

11: states that he is town and gives no evidence or reasoning to back it up

12: claims that Wraith should convince him that he is town
13: accuses Wraith of scumminess while continuing to contribute absolutely nothing

14: explains playstyle as naturally scummy

I’ve outlined my convictions against Lowell many, many times. He has voted for four different people, and the farthest he’s come to reasoning those votes is an OMGUS. He makes accusations without bothering to back them up at any time. His OMGUS against me is very scummy, because he basically says that “Wraith is crazy” and uses it as so-called evidence of my scumminess. I also find his Post 12 very scummy because he’s basically asking for the town to build him a case on himself being pro-town, likely so he can say “yeah, that’s what I planned all along.”

Conclusion: Scum

Toogeloo

0: randomvote
1: asks what a VI is (Village Idiot)
2: votes mothrax for overdefensiveness
3: believes mothrax voted for Toonfighter under cover of RVS
4: accuses diginova of deflection toward mothrax
5: offtopic
6: elaborates on behavior of mothrax and diginova
7: votes diginova for pressure
8: comments on Lynch All Liars

9: believes Town Jailkeeper is a safe claim for Mafia Roleblocker

10: comments on Jailkeeper role
11: suspicions on Lowell
12: FoS Stef for overzealousness on a policy lynch on Benmage
13: Votes Stef for fence-sitting, FoS Tubby for buddying with Stef
14: offtopic
15: offtopic
16: offtopic
17: offtopic
18: accusations against Stef
19: offtopic
20: comments on AGar and Stef’s Benmage wagon
21: comments on Stef’s play
22: comments on policy lynches
23: Votes mothrax for voting for bad reasons

24: explains case against mothrax
25: believes Lowell is dangerous at LyLo

26: comments on Tazaro-Charlie banter

27: comments on scummy players with some fair points
28: comments on how bad Wraith’s vote was

29: Votes Wraith
30: believes Stef is scum reluctant to bus mate
31: comments on scummy players, especially mothrax
32: would vote No Lynch before Benmage

Toogeloo has played a mostly pro-town game the entire day, aside from a string of mostly offtopic posts in the middle. He has made several fair points on why many players are scummy, but has mostly focused on two: Stef and Benmage. Toogeloo is convinced that Stef is scum and Benmage is town. Personally, I find it strange that he is voting for me rather than Stef, who he has persisted in accusing all day.

Conclusion: Slightly Leaning Pro-Town

AGar

0: off-topic
1: hello
2: off-topic
3: off-topic
4: votes for diginova b/c diginova started a policy lynch on millar
5: justifies vote, says confirmation bias is scummy
6: randomvote
7: states randomvote is random
8: states joke posts are null tells
9: votes Wraith, guessing RVS
10: EBWOP
11: pushes Wraith BW
12: claims Wraith is scummy

13: claims pro-town read on Fugitive, votes diginova, justifies by saying policy lynches limit scumhunting
14: justifies RVS votes by claiming random votes garner reactions from players

15: wants Charlie to be specific on a null-tell
16: restates vote on diginova, repeats specification from Charlie

17: scumhunts Fugitive based on F’s randomvote for mothrax BW
18: rightfully accuses diginova of lurking strat, rightfully scumhunts Fugitive for wagoning for no reason

19: accuses diginova of fence-sitting, neutral regarding claim
20: FoS Wraith for fence-sitting and preventing L-1
21: questions Lowell’s vote
22: votes Wraith for being twitchy on an FoS
23: justifies Wraith vote claiming setting “deadline” for discussion is scummy
24: accuses Charlie for stalling content production

25: Votes Charlie for severe fence-sitting

26: asks Benmage’s opinion on Charlie
27: believes Lowell’s lurking is a null-tell
28: comments on Charlie fence-sitting
29: comments on suspicions
30: believes Lowell makes for a good policy lynch later by scum

31: believes D1 policy lynches are terrible

32: comments on D1 policy lynches
33: asks Charlie why he’s wagoning for Wraith
34: pushes Charlie lynch
35: asks Charlie why he’s wagoning for Wraith
36: believes Lowell makes a good Vig kill instead of policy lynch
37: suspicions on Charlie and Benmage
38: pushes Benmage wagon for attempting to policy lynch
39: attacks Benmage
40: attacks/answers Benmage
41: attacks Benmage
42: comments on Anon and Lowell
43: comments on meta and WIFOM
44: believes Lowell makes a good Vig kill
45: Votes Wraith for craplogic, suspicions on Stef
46: wants unity on a lynch
47: pushes Wraith wagon

AGar has jumped around different people every few pages, voting them and making reasonable cases against them. He makes reasonable arguments on WIFOM, policy lynches, vig kills, etc. in general as well. All in all, AGar has played a very town game, and is probably the lead scumhunter the town has right now. Personally, I think he’s a prime target for the night kill.

Conclusion: Probably Town

Fugitive/Tazaro

0: hello
1: randomvote
2: OMGUS
3: likes his vote on AGar
4: pushes AGar lynch
5: pushes AGar lynch
6: responds to mod
7: Votes mothrax,

joins wagon for no reason
8: claims reason for joing mothrax BW is because diginova has a cooler name

9: offtopic
10: explains wagon vote
11: explains wagon vote
12: explains wagon vote
13: rightfully claims Raven is deflecting
14: attacks Stef
15: attacks Stef
16: claims OMGUS from mothrax
17: Requests replacement

Tazaro begins here

0: unvotes

1: extensive comments on suspicions

2: comments on players
3: offtopic
4: offtopic
5: offtopic
6: believes Lowell is lazy, not scum
7: asks Wraith why he suspects Lowell/Fugitive scumteam
8: comments on mothrax wagon
9: offtopic
10: comments on D1 policy lynches
11: believes Benmage voted for a bogus reason
12: believes Lowell’s lack of contribution is a null-tell
13: likes CCARaven’s point on D1 policy lynches
14: believes both sides of the policy lynch debate have valid points
15: would vote for Lowell Day 1 if he doesn’t shape up,

but hasn’t done it yet despite Lowell not shaping up

16: comments on town disorganization
17: answers accusation by Wraith
18: comments on Benmage’s reaction to pressure
19: offtopic
20: comments on a Lowell lynch, accuses Charlie and Benmage of overreaction
21: rebuttal to Benmage Benmage
22: asks Benmage on his opinion on Charlie
23: asks Benmage on a Charlie policy lynch
24: rebuttal to Benmage
25: starts discussion on Lowell
26:

suddenly switches discussion from Lowell to Charlie

, votes Charlie
27: neutral on Lowell
28: asks Charlie about his playstyle
29: Quoted WoT on Charlie regarding contributing because of pressure
30: implies Charlie is overreacting
31: wants more people to vote
32: offtopic
33: rebuttal to Wraith
34: tells Wraith to vote Lowell if he suspects him
35: comment on Wraith’s vote on him
36: comment on Wraith’s vote on him
37: asks CCARaven to defend false statement that Tazaro has been defending Benmage
38: believes CCARaven is confusing him with a different player
39: pushes Lowell to contribute
40: believes Lowell is the VI
41: comment on Lowell
42: comment on Benmage’s support of a Tazaro lynch
43: offtopic
44: fence-sits regarding Wraith wagon
45: asks for votecount
46: comment to Lowell
47: offtopic
48: asks where Anon went
49: comments on Lowell
50: EBWOP
51: comment on Tubby
52: comment on Tubby
53: believes Wraith or Benmage lynch is probable
54: comment on votes and Anon
55: unvotes
56: want mothrax and Toonfighter to stop attacking each other
57: votes Wraith
58: believes Wraith’s poor vote on him is very scummy
59: pushes Wraith wagon

Tazaro came in with a good start, scumhunting on several people before settling on a long argument with Benmage. However, recently his play has been reeking of fence-sitting, and his short but non-committal remarks about Lowell seem to me as possibly distancing from a scum partner, plus the fact that he inherited some scumminess from his predecessor. The two phases of his D1 play cancel each other out, and I continue to have a neutral but uneasy opinion about him.

Conclusion: Neutral

Mr. Sandman

0: Votes mothrax for deflection and fence-sitting, FoS Lowell
1: questions CCARaven on his vote
2: questions Fugitive on his vote
3: suspects Fugitive for randomvoting out of RVS
4: explains suspicions on Fugitive

5: good comments on policy lynches

6: comments on policy lynches, opposed to lynching Lowell on policy
7: asks Lowell for reasoning on vote
8: asks Lowell for reasoning on vote
9: votes Anon for wagoning, dropping the Charlie wagon completely when it failed
10: questions Tazaro on suspicions

11: extensive comments on his suspicions, unvotes

12: votes Wraith without giving a reason

Sandman has posted the least up till now, and while his posts have mostly been short, they have been rather high on content. He gives excellent points on such things as policy lynches and wagoneers, and has made several sensible votes. If he gets his activity up he could take the lead in town scumhunting.

Conclusion: Leaning Pro-Town

All in all, I think at this point, probably two of the people above are scum. By the end of the day, I am quite certain that at least two of the scum will have joined the wagon, if not all of them. Some final words: Lowell needs to die before he becomes a dangerous tool the scum can easily manipulate, even on the off chance that he is town. Right now I think we’re on the right track for our suspicions, except for me being the prime suspect. Keep your mind open - there is the possibility that I am wrong with one of my town reads.

Still, there is one attractive possibility to a Wraith-lynch – when I flip town, this information can be trusted. Lynch me.

[Wraith]

We have six days to get a lynch. If you guys can't figure out a consensus I encourage you to jump on my wagon.

[Wraith]

I've said it before: A Wraith-lynch can be a good thing. I've been in the middle of some arguments, I've put out a lot of information now and then, and I've made some in-game enemies. When I die and flip town, my information can be trusted.

[Wraith]

@Wraith

you iso Stef yet?

I like toog's 471/Agar's 473...spam

I haven't, and after the last one took so long I don't think I will. I'm tired. But I'll take a look and skim.

[Wraith]

After skimming through, I find Stef is similar to Benmage - not particularly scummy. It's hard to get a read on either without a flip on one, because both have contributed with fair points and both have had some scumminess about them all day. I'd say that they are merely opposite alignments, but that might be

too

general. I've seen townies go at each other like this before (slightly more ferocious though, but still).

[Wraith]

Refusing to take a stance? I've made my views on people perfectly clear since I started buckling down. It's impossible to be certain about alignment off wording and some actions alone, especially on Day 1. You need flips to know whose words/actions you can trust and whose you cannot. Which is why I'm pushing for my own lynch.

[Wraith]

The fact that you're reacting to this single post after my more recent history in this game with absolute hostility is planting the seeds of doubt in my mind. However, this is probably the first time I've seen you make an argument with poor reasoning or basis in logic this game, which is why they're only seeds and not sparks.

[Wraith]

I have a question for you AGar: Why are you suddenly ignoring the three or four extensive analysis posts I've already done?

[Wraith]

If I was scum, I assure you I would not be drawing this much attention to myself. I probably would have attempted to fade into the background when someone else started becoming suspicious. But no, we're getting somewhat close to deadline, and we need a lynch. I'm not a power role, and my flip can be very informative. So I'm a good choice, in all honesty.

[Wraith]

Toogeloo, votes that have no reason are as to madness with method to it.

[Wraith]

No, I'm saying that sometimes maybe people without reasons are scum trying to "blend in" with the bandwagon.

[Wraith]

Honestly, I don't think we should. We've kind of mostly decided to lynch me, right?

[Wraith]

I would also like the day end, preferrably without a chance mislynch of a PR.

VOTE: Wraith

[Wraith]

Tazaro and, more so, Lowell give me the scummiest reads at the moment. But at this point I don't think anyone cares. And I've stated twice that I'm leaning town or at least neutral on Benmage, and I don't want to vote for him.

[Wraith]

As far as I know, I was at L-2 when I self-voted. It doesn't matter, I would've been dead in two days anyway.

[Wraith]

I like my death flavor, BTW.

/bah

[Wraith]

Well, I don't have much to comment on this game. Especially considering how I died stupidly on D1.

Predit: For the realz