Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[DemonHybrid]

I'm on my phone so I can't go too indepth.

All I have to say is that empking looks unbelieveably town and xine looks unbelieveably scummy.

vote: xine

[DemonHybrid]

If there was a claim or result that I missed, by the way, let me know. I read about a quarter of the game, skimmed the other 3/4.

[DemonHybrid]

Xine is innocent. For sure.

The UK result was a mod error.

Vote: Nocumen

, triggered from #836. I'll post more in a moment.

Never mind, I lied.

Unvote: Xine

A proper iso of LMP is in order. Xine was my scumread for most of the game, so I'm a little behind.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm deciding whether Antihero or Nikanor's replacement needs to die next.

Give me a bit to look over some stuffs.

Do you have a recent case against Nikanor? I need some updates.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Antihero

LMP tunneled him pretty hard all game. I don't feel right about him. His vote on LMP is a pretty evident bus. My second (now first...) scumread past Xine.

If there's something I'm missing or you want to know from me, please ask me. I feel a tad out of the loop even with all of the skimming and pseudo-catching up and need a kick in the ass to get things going.

[DemonHybrid]

Thanks for replacing, DH. I look forward to playing with you again. I don't think you're in a good slot though. I need to go back, but Nikanor and LMP were bundled together quite a bit back in D1 when LMP caught some major heat.

Not a problem. I can't speak for Nikanor, but I'll do my best here.

LMP pushed Antihero hard. Very hard. Almost too hard. He pushed him before his wagon gained steam and after. I want to write off distancing here. I think it's a dead end. I think it was totally misleading. Post after post LMP wants it known that Antihero is his target. He really wants this lynch. Nocmen, on the other hand, is tagged on towards the end. Perhaps in a "crap, I better bus a scumbuddy" move.

I would actually say that early-game arguing is indicative of a scumbuddy relationship. There is just something way too fishy about Anti's vote on LMP...it doesn't seem natural in the least, and he was in the perfect position to bus. I think LMP just tried too hard to get Anti lynched, ready to say "Hey! He was scum, I told you so!"

In post 875, AGar is now a potential suspect because he voted UK and LMP. That change in heart seems peculiar because AGar is thrown into a group of seven potential suspects. He also didn't list these suspects like he did in post 823. AGar and Jack are the new players that LMP includes in the jump from post 823 to 875, and Jack is town. I just do not like the connection between these two players.

Actually, I don't think his vote on UK tells us anything. Voting for a claimed SK is a town and scum-motivated action, so what makes it more scum motivated to you?

Also, for how long did you believe the Haylen vs. AGar argument was town vs. scum? Did you believe this at all?

And why is AGar voting for LMP indicative of him being scum, but Antihero voting him in a bussing position not?

[DemonHybrid]

Yeah, methinks RC and Anti are buddies, but I'm giving RC time to answer. I'd like either's lynch.

Unvote

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE: Haylen

Third time's the charm?

Question to Noc - why target Lowell/Anti for alurking but not Haylen?

What is your opinion on Anti? You must have something to say.

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP @AGar: RedCoyote as well, etc.

[DemonHybrid]

As I said above, I'm coming at this from LMP's perspective, not mine. You and Nocmen misunderstand. I'm trying to gauge what he's saying that's true and what he's saying that's completely concocted. At first LMP wanted us to focus on the back of the UK wagon (this didn't include AGar), then, at the last minute, he says the people who were on both his wagon and the UK wagon (this did include AGar). His name is slipped into the mix despite the fact that he was trying to cool people to joining an AGar wagon the day prior. It's inconsistent.

Even though a lot of emphasis is put on the pathway to finding scum, the end product is what counts. I don't agree with your end statements, despite of how it looked from LMP's point of view. He was mafia. You can't trust his point of view.

Knowing that he is mafia, wouldn't it make sense to push a constant case against a buddy all game in order to distance? He's pretty good as a mafioso, so I don't understand why you'd believe so fully that mafia pushing a case against someone all game is indicative of the pushee being town and someone being defended slightly is indicative of being scum. LMP isn't that inexperienced.

My view on AH is he's all but not posting thus far. If he posted, I'd be able to commit more to things like "Oh he's posting, but not putting out anything really" or "You guys are fucktards." As far as I'm concerned, he should be force-replaced at this point. Haylen on the other hand is like "Ohhh I'll post." "Ohhh I'm gonna do this" and never does. Almost every post she's made is just delaying her putting out any kind of stance. Even D1 when she was called out on it, she denied it, but refused to provide reads.

I, for one, believe you both are town, despite the active lurking from Haylen. There is just much scummier behavior going on that Haylen isn't a priority for me at the moment. What are your opinions on the possibility that Antihero was bussing LMP?

@Nacho: I have a feeling that I should follow your reads.

Glork, your reads are valuable, so keep them coming.

[DemonHybrid]

I did some looking around and decided that I'm okay with an RC or an Anti lynch. RC seems to be the closest to go, plus he seems to be a little eager to jump on the defensive ball when it comes to Anti.

Vote: RedCoyote

[DemonHybrid]

Well, I misread the ISO. Thanks for catching that, I'm still trying to figure out the finer points of this game.

[DemonHybrid]

And your result?

[DemonHybrid]

You didn't investigate anyone last night?

[DemonHybrid]

Nacho, your result?

[DemonHybrid]

Aye.

Votecount 4.02

RedCoyote - 7 - Glork, Empking,

VasudeVa

, DemonHybrid, AGar, Xine, eldarad

Hmmmm.

Votecount 3.03

LynchMePls - 8 - Jack, AGar, Empking,

VasudeVa

, Lowell, Nocmen, RedCoyote, LynchMePls

.....Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Vote: VasudeVa

A lot of active lurking and wagoning as of late.

[DemonHybrid]

I have a feeling that this is a good lynch.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: eldarad

How's about a VV investigation tonight?

I would agree with Nocmen that you should keep tightlipped about your innocents but not your guilties.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

I just woke up and misread your post.

[DemonHybrid]

I just think the plan as was is dangerous as hell. We could lynch a doc, cop dies overnight, and we lose the innocents AND guilties? Terrible idea.

...uh, the plan of lynching

confirmed

scum?

Not sure what you're trying to get at.

[DemonHybrid]

Or, I'm stupid. You were talking about Nacho's plan.

Well, that'd be all fine and good if the doctor claims if he or she's at L-1. It would give Nacho time to give his list. Hopefully, by then, it won't be a big deal that we would lose the doctor that night or that day to a lynch.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: eldarad

Eldarad-AGar connection still noted.

Yeah, I was going to say something about AGar's reaction and how forced it seemed.

[DemonHybrid]

Well, assuming that eldarad is cop confirmed scum, we should take an ISO on him and note reactions.

I think that AGar's reaction to the eldarad outing is very forced. If we notice eldarad's ignoring of certain players, that should be noted as well.

Let me take a look real fast.

[DemonHybrid]

He seems to be a HUGE wagoner. He's been on every wagon thus far. Preemptively on the VV one, when I tried to start it.

However, he has had little scraps of logic battles with Haylen, AGar,

LMP

,

Jack

,

Xine

.

He's defended

CJ

and Antihero.

Thoughts?

[DemonHybrid]

Not ready to claim?

When does the lynchee get to call the shots?

VOTE: Eldarad

Hey. Did you just completely ignore our notes of you acting too forced to the eldarad outing?

[DemonHybrid]

DH: I don't think I said this yet, glad you're here...I'm not really understanding the eldarad wagon. Nacho said that this is going on, not because of any investigation result, but to prove some kind of point. If the point is Quick hammer=bad, I agree, but not sure how calling for a claim at L-5 is going to make that point. oh well, I'm getting pretty used to being the clueless townie.

The exchange was this:

Nacho: I'm not claiming my guilties or innocents so that we can trap them endgame.
Lowell: Aww, come on. That's not helping us. At least give us your guilties so we can lynch them.
Nacho: K, lynch eldarad.

This insinuates eldarad is cop confirmed scum.

After that, here comes AGar.

AGar: Oh shit....Yeah! You are totally the bad guy, as confirmed by the cop! You are going down! So...so, claim, and I will lynch you in a completely townie way! That's not scummy at all. No siree.

It's pretty obvious what's going on here.

[DemonHybrid]

Wow do I ever not trust this plan. I'd prefer we just lynch your guilties and not have to risk lynching your protection.

Then vote elderad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facepalm

It's like saying "Hey, I'm thinking of a vehicle. It's large, yellow, and drives people to school" and another person saying "WELL IT'S NOT A SCHOOL BUS CUZ YOU DIDN'T SAY IT WAS".

[DemonHybrid]

Elderad, claim in your next post.

Bolded for your convenience! For everyone else, no more votes go on elderad until he claims, okay?

But it seems I have to make my intentions clearer. Elderad is not being lynched today because of some investigation result. We're making an example out of Elderad to show townies and scum alike that quickhammering is the worst possible mistake they can make. He has to die based on principle before anything else, honestly.

Well then....how about me missing that post?

Apologies.

[DemonHybrid]

Not ready to claim?

When does the lynchee get to call the shots?

VOTE: Eldarad

Hey. Did you just completely ignore our notes of you acting too forced to the eldarad outing?

Yeah, cause you're wrong.

Yeah, yeah. Duly noted. I missed a post.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: elderad

There you go.

[DemonHybrid]

You asked me to claim - twice - at L-5 on the basis of nothing. I don't get why you are surprised that I refused, or why you have reached a conclusion about my role based on my refusal.

I am the doc.

You guys are going to kill me for doing this, and it's going to fuck shit up for Nacho, but there's really no way around it. He's fakeclaiming. I'm the real doc.

If I don't claim, Nacho will probably give his results today regardless. I'm giving you one more day of results.

Please hold off on giving results until tomorrow at day's end and don't believe any of the bullshit eldarad says.

[DemonHybrid]

Meh, mise well wait for potential counterclaim.

Yeah, beat me to the punch.

Investigate AGar tonight. Lets find out if this Haylen/AGar argument really is scum vs town.

[DemonHybrid]

I like this plan. Thanks, glork.

I'm taking finals at the moment but I'll give full thoughts later.

[DemonHybrid]

Xine, there's no reason for having nacho release info now. He will be protected, even if I get shot tonight.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

[DemonHybrid]

@ DH, re post 1048; how does your logic in that not also implicate Lowell? To me that shows Lowell squirming, wondering if Nacho's got a scum read on him. Lowell looks guiltier to me than Agar in that, although I wouldn't call your read on Agar baseless.

It may be a meta thing. I've known Lowell to turn on a whim, and I've lynched him cause of it, and he was a townie. AGar is almost never known to do something like that, so I find it somewhat suspect. I'm not voting for him over it, I just think the reaction was overblown and his ISO needs to be looked at.

Also, don't lynch VV. eldarad's crusade against him is confirming him as town.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Haylen

I'd at least like to lynch someone so that my death won't be in freaking vain, whether it be AGar OR Haylen or anyone but eldarad, really.

[DemonHybrid]

Because, to me, it honestly doesn't matter. Scum knows that I will be the next nightkill. I believe you and AGar is scum vs. town, but I can't read who. I'm not going to sit around and waste a day's lynch and have my death be in vain. I honestly think eldarad is setting VV up, and Nacho wants you dead before Nocu, so I'll oblige.

You would probably be investigated if AGar died, and AGar will probably be investigated if you die. Really, it doesn't matter.

[DemonHybrid]

The claim will just be VT, so don't bother waiting if you want to hammer. Unless there is something else Haylen will want to say.

[DemonHybrid]

Final scumreads?

[DemonHybrid]

Oh, and it was nice playing with you all.

[DemonHybrid]

....

[DemonHybrid]

Bye DH!

See you soon!

Cya =( Do me proud.

[DemonHybrid]

Did mafia concede or something?

[DemonHybrid]

Aye, well, it was a good game despite the error. People make mistakes and, besides, it's a frickin forum game in the end

I don't think UK's lynch would have changed anything, unless they were planning to kill or try to lynch Nikanor based on UK's survival.

[DemonHybrid]

He wasn't exactly mod confirmed. No one counterclaimed him.