130.Mirror Mafia - Game Over

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confirm

zomg, brace for epic

/confirm

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town hider huh? seems familiar...
http://www.epicmafia.com/role/154

third party much?

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vote pine

for not posting yet

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vote pine

for not posting yet

You can honestly look at Zombeh and Twistedspoon and decide the guy who hasn't posted yet looks more scummy? Hww does that work?

random voting stage. operative word: random

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ya, just switched back to my old avi so i could say "brace for epic" lol. gonna switch it back now since its bugging you.

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random voting stage. operative word: random

No votes are random, all votes have meaning. Otherwise it would be impossible to leave RVS.
If you really are just "randomly" putting out a vote, how about you vote in support of someone who claims to have information? Maybe I'm a Daycop and you should back me. This isn't the newbie queue y'know

hmm... i see... good point
(cough) #57 (cough)
this is an excellent point indeed, so many votes and so much meaning in all of them
(cough) #51 (cough)
yes, i believe you've won this argument
(cough) #44 (cough)
i cannot find a single flaw in that logic of yours
(cough) #41 (cough)

in all seriousness though, my vote was probably more serious than any of the other votes currently up, so ya.

unvote

if it makes you feel better. its just a RVS vote anyway, not like im gonna keep it there.

What page do votes become acceptable at?

if you have a serious vote, then vote it. somple as that.

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in all seriousness though, my vote was probably more serious than any of the other votes currently up, so ya.

unvote

if it makes you feel better. its just a RVS vote anyway, not like im gonna keep it there.

Somebody totally missed my point.

If you see no value to the RVS why did you make the vote in the first place? (I'll presume the old standby answer of 'conformity to site meta' if you want to skip answering this)
Now that we've established you don't use RVS to scumhunt...um...what are you doing to scumhunt? I can't see it, and that looks scummy to me when i don't see scumhunting. What am I missing?

ya, mostly site conformity since i'm used to another mafia site. and it's too early to really scumhunt for anything. i'm defending myself against you, and i posted my opinioon on the claim. what else is there to do? do you want me to pick a random person and fos them?

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town hider huh? seems familiar...
http://www.epicmafia.com/role/154

third party much?

Third party accusation without a vote?
DOES NOT COMPUTE.

VOTE: ACRONACH

Thor, Twistedspoon is not a D1 lynch, and Zombeh isn't scummy yet. So, let's unite and kill ACRONACH.

3rd party is different than maf. if the deadline gets close and we still don't have a good lynch, i'm voting pacman, but for now, that particular role isn't a threat unless they can successfully joint with maf, which is unlikely.

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because, town or third party, he's not a d1 lynch

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because, town or third party, he's not a d1 lynch

well third party are inherantly anti-town, so you should try to lynch a player you think is confirmed townie :/

and i would want to lynch a townie... why?

unvote vote twistedspoon

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I'm back, doing a readthrough now.

I'll answer to the intent of my questions when everyone has had to a chance to either respond to them or reject them.

Vote: Nocmen

Your previous post is off. You imply that you believe people will begin examining you if you don't state that you are here and ready to read (when In reality 60% of this game hasn't posted anything), and that reads as over concerned about your status and how people view you.

Add that to the fact you could of simply read through this thread, as it is only two pages, and posted instead of saying you are 'reading through', and I find this a very satisfactory vote.

ya, i found that bizarre too. i'm sticking to my own vote though. townie and third-party aren't that close on the keyboard, and i don't think this falls under the category of typo. additionally, if spoon was half asleep as he said, he'll actually type what's at the top of his head, which for maf would be "how can we lynch a townie?" basically what spoon stated.

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because, town or third party, he's not a d1 lynch

I don't understand your logic. Now you're saying that he's town or third party, but before you said you were willing to lynch him at deadline. What are you trying to say here, that he's a better lynch because he claimed hider (because of the possibility of him being third party)?

if we don't have a better target by the deadline, i'll vote him, because 3rd party alive at lylo=auto town lose

other than that, the role is not dangerous

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We do not like Arc. His immediate pressure push of pacmans hider claim without a vote.

edit: Calc pointed this out.

that particular role isn't a threat

3rd party is very much a threat to the town. This is NOT a valid reason to not vote and or not lynch him today. And you seem to go from" lets not lynch him" to "well we'll lynch him as a last resort."

ya, mostly site conformity

since i'm used to another mafia site

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We've heard this one from scum before....

why did he automatically assume there is a 3rd party just from the hider role?

apparently, on another site hider is listed as a 3rd party role. Or we don't know. We clicked the link but we had to be signed up.
Vote: Acronach

His vote on spoon in ISO is lame.

Nor do we like Nocmen for his piggybacking of Arc.

1: the colors are kind of annoying. srry.

2: survivor, if he is 1, is only a threat if it's alive at LYLO. they can't do anything else against the town until then.

3: only difference is, i can actually prove it.
my main
http://www.epicmafia.com/user/98458
and my alt
http://www.epicmafia.com/user/77119

4: you have to be signed up to see the link? thats retarded. but yes, your assumption is correct. there is a third party role on that site with the exact same abilities as town hider.

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Only third party allowed in Normal games is SK.

did not know that. srry pacman.

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vote: Acronach

As good a Day 1 bandwagon as we'll get for now.

obv scum is obv. we have 20 days to produce a lynch and you hop on the biggest wagon saying "it's the best we'll get for now"

srsly, if your gonna fail like that, at least try to look smart while doing so.

unvote vote ctorj49

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my current readings

obvscum
Ctorj49

scum
Twistedspoon

semi-scum
Zdenek
Nocmen
Zombeh-Pug

null/lurking
Cecily
MrTrow
Ion67
TheJakalope
Gollum
Calcifer
Caboose
Magister Ludi
Pine

semi-town
Kcdaspot
evilpacman18
Bub Bidderskins
Furcolow

town
flinter
Thor665

ultra town


read this before you question my pacman reading

Only third party allowed in Normal games is SK.

did not know that. srry pacman.

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Also, you of ALL people should know asking me to explain my reads is NOT a good idea.

I don't, and I'm asking

yes, when you don't explain reads, people tend to take it as a scumtell, so ya, i'm asking too.

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I want everyone that's not Ion and Bub to answer this.

Buy or sell: If Bub is town, Ion is scum.

sell. either you're town or you're maf. i don't like to build suspicion on 1 person based on what alignment som1 else flipped.

also, its been like 2 extra pages in a few hours, lol. at least evry1s not lurking.

my current readings

obvscum
Ctorj49

scum
Twistedspoon

semi-scum
Zdenek
Nocmen
Zombeh-Pug
Bub Bidderskins

null/lurking
Cecily
MrTrow
Ion67
TheJakalope
Gollum
Magister Ludi
Pine

semi-town
Kcdaspot
evilpacman18
Furcolow
Calcifer
Caboose

town
flinter
Thor665

ultra town

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^^^feel free to ask me about any of those

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1: the colors are kind of annoying. srry.

2: survivor, if he is 1, is only a threat if it's alive at LYLO. they can't do anything else against the town until then.

3: only difference is, i can actually prove it.
my main
http://www.epicmafia.com/user/98458
and my alt
http://www.epicmafia.com/user/77119

4: you have to be signed up to see the link? thats retarded. but yes, your assumption is correct. there is a third party role on that site with the exact same abilities as town hider.

1. What does the color have to do with ANYTHING?!?

2. Survivors do not go into normal games nor did you ever claim he was one. Furc was the first and only (I think) one to call him a survivor. Then ZD claimed that we called him one (if we did it was that weakling Smeagol!!!) Infact, at first you called him a third party; not anything specific. But you know what? You never believed he was a survivor.

because 3rd party alive at lylo=auto town lose

Survivor can win along with the town or scum which makes this statement false.

3. We have no fucking clue what #3 is about.

4. You do know that Epicmafia=/=MS. Its beyond us why you would sign up to play and NOT look around there wiki thats HERE instead of assuming that things are the same at both places.

VOTE:ARC

1: idk, its just kind of unusual to look at when evry1 else is just posting in black.

2: i actually linked a survivor description, but i didnt know you had to be logged in to see it.

3: ya, 4got you have to be logged in to see it. fucking EM. well, if any1 does have an EM acc, those are my accs there.

4: i didnt really know how much different the 2 sites could actually be. apparantly pretty different.

^^^feel free to ask me about any of those

Why does Furc get a town read?

i marked him as town 4 pages into the game when a few semi-good posts wasnt really that bad. i'll move him to lurker list next time i post my readings. Thanks for pointing that out.

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@mod
votecount please

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Acronach (4/11): Ion67, Calcifer, Zdenek, Bub Bidderskins <--Contains one scum.
Not us, obviously. We've got a town-read on Ion, and Nacho has a town-read on Bub. (And at last check, was neutral on Zd.)
Process of elimination, Zdenek.
Twistedspoon (3/11): Thor665, Caboose, flinter
Bub Bidderskins (3/11): evilpacman18, Magister Ludi, Ion67
Acronach (3/11): Zdenek, Gollum, Ctorj49
Probably 2 scum in here, too.
Nacho has a scumread on Gollum, which I am beginning to agree with. This'd also allow for Zdenek to be scum, if all others are town. (We both have a town-read on Thor, Evil [obviously], Flinter, and Ion, and I have a town-read on Caboose and Ludi.) Acro's an extremely scum-driven wagon.

Not Voting (5): Cecily, TheJakalope, Furcolow, Pine, Kcdaspot <--All of these people have been online, and yet have no vote. I'd like to say 1-2 scum in here, but not sure.

kk, so why are there 2 wagons on me with different members on each 1?

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probably spoon for the "typo"

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Acronach (4/11): Ion67, Calcifer, Zdenek, Bub Bidderskins <--Contains one scum.
Not us, obviously. We've got a town-read on Ion, and Nacho has a town-read on Bub. (And at last check, was neutral on Zd.)
Process of elimination, Zdenek.
Twistedspoon (3/11): Thor665, Caboose, flinter
Bub Bidderskins (3/11): evilpacman18, Magister Ludi, Ion67
Acronach (3/11): Zdenek, Gollum, Ctorj49
Probably 2 scum in here, too.
Nacho has a scumread on Gollum, which I am beginning to agree with. This'd also allow for Zdenek to be scum, if all others are town. (We both have a town-read on Thor, Evil [obviously], Flinter, and Ion, and I have a town-read on Caboose and Ludi.) Acro's an extremely scum-driven wagon.

Not Voting (5): Cecily, TheJakalope, Furcolow, Pine, Kcdaspot <--All of these people have been online, and yet have no vote. I'd like to say 1-2 scum in here, but not sure.

kk, so why are there 2 wagons on me with different members on each 1?

...no answer?

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Ctorj49 (2/11): Acronach, Zombeh-Pug <--Ctorj is a newbie. Keeping that in mind, think newb-town versus newb-scum; which is it?

I'd say leave the newbie defense in the road to rome. I still find him most suspicious right now.

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V;LA for easter weekend

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srry, busy weekend. gonna catch up.

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Also, I'm not a big typer. Being new to ms, I should let you know that off the bat. This is as long as my posts get.

okay

seeing as this is your first post since your RVS vote, care to share some of your thoughts and reads with us?

what are the 3 scummiest things you've seen so far?

Being new to the MS world (which is VERY different to the mafia games I'm used to participating), I find these 3 things suspicious though I will admit they are more culture-shock points on my end:
1. Listing a table to see who's scummiest. This is a game of wits and instinct. No math equation in the world will tell you who's scum. period.
2. Insisting someone is scum for sure ON DAY ONE WITH NO NIGHT ONE! Seriously, how can anyone be 100% sure?

I know that's only 2. That's what I got so far. Everything else is just trying to get a feel for people's playing styles.

epicmafia? if so, could you link your profile please?

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I'm here. Long weekend and even longer day of homework today. I'll try and keep up and post something useful tomorrow.

@Gollum - why are you still on Acro?

this so hard

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hurrr, without the cecily quote

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ctorj, please answer this.

Also, I'm not a big typer. Being new to ms, I should let you know that off the bat. This is as long as my posts get.

okay

seeing as this is your first post since your RVS vote, care to share some of your thoughts and reads with us?

what are the 3 scummiest things you've seen so far?

Being new to the MS world (which is VERY different to the mafia games I'm used to participating), I find these 3 things suspicious though I will admit they are more culture-shock points on my end:
1. Listing a table to see who's scummiest. This is a game of wits and instinct. No math equation in the world will tell you who's scum. period.
2. Insisting someone is scum for sure ON DAY ONE WITH NO NIGHT ONE! Seriously, how can anyone be 100% sure?

I know that's only 2. That's what I got so far. Everything else is just trying to get a feel for people's playing styles.

epicmafia? if so, could you link your profile please?

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Weather permitting, we will have something up tonight.

kk, so...

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thor, i take that as "why are you lynching ctorj?"

well, to answer your question, this still deserves death, and i haven't seen anything thus far that struck me as more scummy than this.

vote: Acronach

As good a Day 1 bandwagon as we'll get for now.

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ok, what's your question?

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there was some kind of argument between those 2? all i saw was zdenek posting a small quote wall every 5 pages then going afk and pine prod-dodging like hell.

That didn't really interact at all with eachother this whole game, so i'm wondering why you picked those 2 to ask my opinions on.

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thor, i take that as "why are you lynching ctorj?"

well, to answer your question, this still deserves death, and i haven't seen anything thus far that struck me as more scummy than this.

vote: Acronach

As good a Day 1 bandwagon as we'll get for now.

I submit that doesn't deserve death at all. How about you explain exactly why it does because clearly I (and all the people not voting Ctorj) don't understand why it's such an obvious scumtell.
If you're on a wagon of one at this stage of the game it's intrinsic upon YOU to get more votes on that wagon, otherwise you are failing at voting. Do not fail at voting. So start selling or get off.

he's just voting to vote and not look scummy because "it's as good a d1 lynch as we'll get"

there was somewhere in the range of 18 days left in d1 at the time.

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well, at least pine is posting relevant content in another game. unfortunately for him, he's just prod-dodging here. 1 more prod dodge and he has my vote.

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here's the thing. i'm a pro player already from off site stuff, but, i'm still getting used to this site. I've learned something in the past few days. Large games in forum mafia, just like in chat mafia, generally suck. I'm sorry to do this to you guys, but i'm just not motivated to poost in this game. I'll be happy though to stay in as long as it takes to get a replacement that's actually interested in large games and who can put in the effort.

@mod please get me a replacement. i will keep posting untill a replacement is found, so take your time, but i think that my role could be of more use if someone who was more motivated to post in this game had it.

in case i end up getting replaced right away, here's some final thoughts.

Pine
very scummy with the prod-dodging thing. it would be easier to v;la if it didnt interfere with his other games, but, unfortunately, it does, so for the moment he's just rod-dodging here untill people forget about him.

the guy i'm voting (too lazy atm to go to another page in a new tab and find how to spell his name)
i've already explained twice why he should be our lynch target. despite thor's wishes, i'm not unvoting and jumping on a bigger wagon. that would be the scum thing to do. I am, however, in favor of lynching who i think is the scummiest person here.

pappums
despite the questions, the tunneling, and the semi-fos, i read you as slightly town sided.

thor
FMPOV, you're 1 of the most town people in this game.

as for everyone else, i've hardly even been keeping track of this game. like i said, from the 5 games i've played on this site, i've found large games to be the most annoying and the least interesting overall, so ya, i'll be sticking mostly to minis from now on.