Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[Hiraki]

/confirm

Vote: Paupam's Rat

[Hiraki]

Vote: Hiplop

Grey, I still have no meta so you're wrong.

Btw. he's scum.

[Hiraki]

Vote: Hiplop

Grey, I still have no meta so you're wrong.

Btw. he's scum.

Did you like read my signature? Why would I give a shit about your meta?

My gut just says scum.

GUT=/=SCUMHUNTING

Hiplop is still scum though.

[Hiraki]

dunno.

maybe you should look.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, this has to be AT LEAST the third game in a row I've seen you hunt after a person with a 2011 join date.

I think you're town, of course.

But honestly. Is "new player" synonymous with "scumclaim" for you?

I don't go after new players, I go after scummy players.

While yes, it is an odd trend, it is not a trend that I go for as scum or town.

Do you not see what's scummy with hiplop?

[Hiraki]

VOTE: mastin

Dont see town motivation for what hes doing, not at all. Trying to look helpful despite doing shit.

You don't see town motivation in this?

2. edmund.angles <--Very minor scum-lean.
3. PranaDevil <--Very minor town-lean.
4. hiplop <--Flip-flops, so null.
8. Uprising <--Flip-flops, but overall leans town. (So, very minorly.)
9. Torqez <--Town.
10. Maxous <---Also town.
13. Pine
14. pappums rat <--I'm guessing town.
16. Tomie Uzumaki <--Scumz.
17. Hiraki <--Null. I'll look more into this.
18. Toon Fighter <--Town.
19. SomeRandomGuy <--Very slight town-read.
20. zMuffinMan <--Also a very slight town-read.

The gaps are people who I have trouble judging the content on, so far.

You know posting all your reads on Page 2?

Yeah, that's scummy.

How about....

TOWN:
Toon
Maxous
Torquez
Pappums
Hiraki
malpascp
Prana
SRG
MuffinMan
Uprising

Eleven out of 21. NOW we're talkin'. That's down to half the game as suspects. If I can cut it in half again...

This?

Again, posting lists.

If you wanted something more, like reasons you could ask him for them. But you didn't, you just left him with him saying that he doesn't have town motivation.

In present times, he's kept his vote on.

How has he justified it?

key word - looks.

Hohoho.

Because someone looks scummy, doesn't mean they are scum.

Does it make it better that you just happen to be on the leading wagon?

I'm going to eat, and continue later. At least I might, I don't really want to though. Hiplop's play is already crummy.

[Hiraki]

Do you not see what's scummy with hiplop?

I see some things, but why don't you tell us? You can pretend I'm a moron in need of patient explanation, if it helps.

Just curious if you're capable of doing so without resorting to the word "gut".

Please respond.

I kind of made some points above.

There's no gut there.

[Hiraki]

To continue on, here's a major part that shows Hiplop's hypocrisy

muffin i dont see what you dont get... I explained it fine earlier, stop distracting town.

When Muffin was only questioning Hiplop's vote. This is a rather harsh defense, not only that, but Hiplop did not explain it earlier.

Which is where Muffin asks again, because he also realizes that Hiplop did not as well.

He just ignores it, and shows the same want as Muffin, in this post.

i want to know why

you

think i am scum

There's not much more, but this is already pretty bad. Kill it with fire.

[Hiraki]

Damnit, you are joking, zMuffin. Otherwise it would be too damn scummy.

?

[Hiraki]

Alright, fuck all of you.

If I see "gut" as a reason one more time, I will murder all of you at night.

If you use gut as a reason for a vote,

there is a 100% guarantee that you are probably not town.

This is pissing me off.

[Hiraki]

Meta tidbit?

...

Wouldn't that confirm you know my alignment?

[Hiraki]

But you don't know my alignment.

I could be saying that gut is bad, and still be scum.

I think you slippo.

[Hiraki]

I think it's an entirely neutral insight into your thought process. Why does your alignment matter?

Because meta is based on actions that people do when they're town or scum.

You don't even have a clear read on me, so therefore if I do something and you store it as information as meta, you must have some insight of my alignment that you're not sharing.

[Hiraki]

I use gut quite a lot on IRC and I don't seem to have any problems there. Is there an issue with forum mafia and using gut or is that just how Hiraki rolls?

No, it's that most of this game is "lol I voted on gut" when there's no substance for it.

[Hiraki]

Can people please stop wasting their votes?

Fair enough

Vote: Hiraki

Back on scum!

you

[Hiraki]

Can people please stop wasting their votes?

Fair enough

Vote: Hiraki

Back on scum!

Wasn't hiraki your alt??

I see hiraki and GI omgusing one another. Their egos are too much,

Vote: Hiplop

Grey, I still have no meta so you're wrong.

Btw. he's scum.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki's still scum, but he'll keep. This is staring me in the face right here, right now. Hiraki's combination aggression and passive-aggressive posts with 'helpful' "oh I is so town" posts like bitching about people gut voting.

One post.

You're full of shit, you know that?

The only thing you have on me at the moment, with

nothing

about anything prior where you actually called me scum, for reasons other than meta.

Grey, why is Hiplop not scum?

[Hiraki]

Why are you doing this?

[Hiraki]

Btw, nice flipflop hiplop.

[Hiraki]

If I pointed to a number of those reads and said it was gut, would that reverse your read on me and make me scum?

I meant from this point forward sort of stuff.

[Hiraki]

Right. So if I said I saw something which changed my read based on gut, would I be scum?

Mastin.

You know the point of my post.

Stop.

[Hiraki]

I'm hating you right now ICE.

This is betrayal.

[Hiraki]

He just fucking joined in.

Seriously Vezo?

[Hiraki]

Tomie isn't scum. FFS.

[Hiraki]

Vote: Hiplop

Grey, I still have no meta so you're wrong.

Btw. he's scum.

If I'm incorrect and my vote is on town, I'd love to hear your full case on Hiplop then.

Do note that I've only completely taken in up to page five and given the whole thread a quick skim.

ISO Hiplop.

Easy scum there.

I really don't want to explain more.

[Hiraki]

Why exactly dont you want to explain more? That is usually what people do when they are trying to get someone lynched.

Because he's as obvious as shit. I'll get up a wall tonight since I just drained my wall making abilities on another player in an another ongoing game.

[Hiraki]

Let's make page twelve "Page Wall". Hiraki and chk, both hurry and get it onto this page, so that we won't have to have three pages in a row of walls!

lmao at mastin for making lists for no reason; i'm looking town despite never posting? lol

HERE'S THE PITCH.

Dont see town motivation for what hes doing, not at all. Trying to look helpful despite doing shit.

SWIIINNNNGGGGG.

Hiplop then goes onto to say how it's not helpful. Assuming makes an ass out of u and m(e)ing. We'll get there in a second, there's something better we have to look at here.

mastin2 ( 6 ) - Toon Fighter, Tomie Uzumaki, Maxous, malpascp, Phoebus,

hiplop

Numero Seis?

Numero scumo. To be fair, the devil's number is 6 and therefore scum are on the wagons as the sixth person, obv.

I'm thinking in late game. When you ISO someone, and you see things like that; it will look better, and i think he knows that.

Its really just a RV with some reasoning/weight to it.

But since you've noted it, then he can't use it. So, now there's no scum reasoning behind it unless everyone ignores this post, and doesn't look into mastin as hard as they should.

So um.

What's the point of this vote now? Not sure. Oh wait! There is none.

ouch

key word - looks.

Again, Hiplop is assuming here. He doesn't know what anyone will do at the end of the game. While it may look scummy, it doesn't mean that it is scummy in retrospective. Furthermore, by the end of the game, there should be some loose holes that will give Mastin the leeway to be targeted as scum. I doubt that anyone would bring up this as a point in that time. So why should it be a standpoint for a D1 lynch? psst. It shouldn't.

Town shouldn't have to try to look good. Thats what he is doing, hes not actually doing anything helpful. Its simply an illusion

I still consider this a slip because of grammar. However, you could make more of it by saying that hiplop has only associated Mastin's first game comments to this point.

For example, hiplop is directly incorrect in the point that Mastin has done anything helpful. This is post #75. Mastin has 18 posts by post 76. If you're saying that each and every single post that Mastin has made is useless then sure, your argument would be correct. However, this is not the case. While Mastin doesn't explain all of his reads, he does explain some. You could make the case that he's with-holding information, but have fun trying to get that lynch done. Because that's all you have at the moment.

muffin i dont see what you dont get... I explained it fine earlier, stop distracting town.

Asking questions is in no way, shape, or form distracting town. In fact, you should want to explain a bandwagon as town or scum in order to advocate your lynch. Considering that muffin did not, and still doesn't as shown in #148 which you blatantly ignore, understand it, you're either aware that your BW sucks, or unsure about Mastin. Either way, you must die for it since you haven't retracted the plausibility of Mastinscum.

ISO 9 and 10 are skippies.

lmao what? I've never done that as scum. I type more the angrier/more interested i am, scum or town.

Are you sure you're not just making shit up?

This is a horrible reaction. Even if Paupaums rat is wrong, a simple yes or no should do. I believe that the scumtell of over-explanation works here quite well. In addition, what if he was making it up? Wouldn't that make him suitable to die?

Posts 180-182 show easily fallacies in hiplop's case due to Muffin's questioning. I advise everyone to read that, but I know that if you have even gotten this far in my wall, you must read it because you like to read and stuff. This is because .01% of mafiascum read walls in full context. Hell, I'm not even expecting hiplop to read this much. I want him to, and respond back, but the chances of that are slim to none. I digress.

Here's the new advances in the hiplop case.

and now GI seem a slight bit scummy to me really.

GM has me convinced

You went with someone who you just stated you had a scumread on?

hmmzorz.

Not only that, but Maxous' points have some meaning as well. To note, I don't have a definite stance on TF at the moment. From my initial skims, he looks outrageously scummy, but that in itself looks a bit odd. Tomie is still town btw. guys.

Moving on now.

Do you think Pine is scum, Hiraki?

I haven't read much on him yet, but at the moment he's one of my scummies for his little slip thing. I didn't like his explanation of it either. Hiplop is numero uno though, so don't worry.

[Hiraki]

"They're both so obv-scum it's painful to watch them not get more votes." Is that a fair interpretation?

no. It's more like I'm trying to piss the fuck out of Hiraki, knowing he isn't scum.

Edmund needs a check-up.

I'll do that later.

[Hiraki]

He's asking for information.

He wants to know if you're town or not, FFS.

[Hiraki]

OKAY.

SO?

ANSWER THE GOD DAMN QUESTIONS, AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM.

AKA: STOP BEING A BITCH.

You can make a case if you think Mastin is scum, and we'll follow you if he looks scummy. Not answering the questions that you assume are not productive is in its own essence not productive.

Then again, you haven't been productive anyway.

[Hiraki]

no. I want to know why YOU think hes scum, i know what im thinking, i need to know what you are

Can you stop with this bullshit of capitalizing YOU in order for others to spit out information about you being scummy that will ultimately derive from someone else's logic.

The reason you're not defending is fanfuckingtasticly scummy.

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote:Maxous

I think he's been trying to play too safe and I'm not really seeing how he's super pro-town as he may appear.

Are you Warriormode from Scorehero?

In any case, Hiplop has still not addressed my case against him, and adds Muffin to his scumlist.

Tell me, Hiplop, why is Muffin scum?

[Hiraki]

i think it was kind of implied oh great maxous. dont take things so literally

fairly obvious i was pushing on Muffin all game, but his latest posts made him propel up the charts

Control + F time boys.

Counting your fairly bad accusation, you've mentioned Muffin 4 times this game.

Come on.

Let's get a case up on Muffin, now.

I want to know why YOU think muffin is scum.

[Hiraki]

no. hiplop.

Edmund would require me to look into him, which I don't feel like doing.

[Hiraki]

Case from me.
Go to Tomie/Edmund.
(NOT optional.)

vote hiplop

FTFY

[Hiraki]

You used it on that post?

Mastin. You fuckwit.

Why not use one where Hiplop says "I'm town" or something shitty like that.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Well, Hiplop doesn't say anything like that, but still.

A Lie-Detector?

How did that work?

[Hiraki]

He's asking for information.

He wants to know if you're town or not, FFS.

Oh.

I'm town.

Where's the staples easy button?

If he's asking me to make up some reads for him so I look townier, nope. Just don't care.

You know Mastin.

This would've been so much sweeter.

[Hiraki]

Okay.

Guys.

We can deal with Mastin tomorrow.

Hiplop needs to die.

now.

[Hiraki]

Well, you're wrong again, Mastin.

Wanna take a bet, again?

[Hiraki]

Can someone tell me why hiplop is scum? I don't see it.

twitch.

bowser has not been reading the thread.

[Hiraki]

hiplop says he can't comment on anything
still hasn't said anything about my wall.

[Hiraki]

Not really.

Guess I was correct.

[Hiraki]

Unvote

Hiplop is newbie.

Newb scum don't apologize. At least, it's enough to convince me to look for another lynch for today.

Vote: Bowser

[Hiraki]

I think ICE is just trolling.

At the moment, he's vig bait.

[Hiraki]

it doesn't though.

[Hiraki]

GI vig bait over the 15 or so players lurking?

Considering that GI is looking more and more like a 3rd Party Role that should not exist?

yes.

Not alone, but combined with other stuff...

Like?

Oh wait, nevermind. Mastin has a huge point on this one after re-reading, the meta point. Especially since GI did not address this point.

I'll join you now.

Unvote, Vote: GreyIce

[Hiraki]

Unvote

Hiplop is newbie.

Newb scum don't apologize. At least, it's enough to convince me to look for another lynch for today.

Vote: Bowser

This seems like a pretty sudden about-face after you have been pushing hiplop so hard for so long, and only after hiplop *~apologizes~*. Doing so is not a tell either way.

What is this meta point of which you speak, regarding GreyICE?

Mastin showed a point where GreyICE said he Policy Lynches any who use Meta. I actually haven't checked if ICE actually said this, but he had not addressed Mastin's point. This is scummy.

[Hiraki]

Anyone can, doesn't mean that anyone will.

[Hiraki]

You missed the second part of that sentence.

[Hiraki]

It's because ICE didn't address Mastin's issue against him.

And that seems fair.

Unvote, Vote: Bowser

GI tomorrow though, no exceptions.

[Hiraki]

lawl@scum hiraki.

[Hiraki]

Mastin2.

You're wrong.

[Hiraki]

I fully agree with Hiraki's last post, too.

I don't think you got the significance of it though.

[Hiraki]

[Hiraki]

I can see Paupaumscum after those past few new posts. However, Paupaumscum would relate to Bowser scum, no? I mean connection is right there.

Tomie still isn't scum, nor Pine. GI is vigbait.

[Hiraki]

LOL

[Hiraki]

Well what?

You want me to hop on early?

No thanks.

Besides, the order is Bowser first, Paupum second.

[Hiraki]

no thanks

[Hiraki]

Are you trying to make me intimidated?

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, get on pappum's wagon. I'm not getting lynched today.

Yeah.

Paupum for tomorrow. Bigger fish to fry today right here.

[Hiraki]

Still can't join.

Basically half of the people here have joined because of paupum's "scum" rage. While pauper is scummy, my compadre muffinman has stated the difference between a paupam scum/town rage. Has no one answered? Nope.

Is Hiraki joining the wagon of opportunity? Nope.

I will say though, ICE's vote looks forced.

[Hiraki]

This whole wagon is shitty and ICE takes the one he finds scummy.

hzmmzmzmmmzzm

[Hiraki]

He's not scum, so gg.

[Hiraki]

and slowly develop into more serious play, just my style.

And what if you die tonight?

Or were you not expecting that?

Fuck this shit. Hiplop needs to die now. His excuses are killing me inside, even though I see his rationale as newb town. This crosses the line though.

DIE.

Unvote, Vote: Hiplop

Also, gj Paupum nitpicking the smallest part of GI's post.

[Hiraki]

The night really makes no difference. Hiplop basically said that he's not going to care about the game that much until the end.

[Hiraki]

Even if it is something you need to improve on(which I doubt you would even do anything by D3 still), you still are expecting to live that long. While this would label you as useless town, and an amazing PR as in the skills needed to avoid night kills, this is still horrible play at its best. We lynch people who are scummy. Horrible play, like this, equates to scummy.

[Hiraki]

no.

he's scum.

[Hiraki]

You're so helping the situation, Bowscum. Good job. *golf clap*

This to a million.

Good riddance.

[Hiraki]

Unvote

Vote: Bowser

you bitch.

[Hiraki]

is it possible in your opinion that hiplop and bowser are scum together?

Yes, but Bowser is probs not scum after that fast wagon.

Either that, or he actually ticked off his scumbuds, if they have day chat.

You haven't really explained how chk is scummy. He's just scummy. That's all you've managed to say. You've also drawn up relationships, which is making your credibility really low. In fact, why would you vote chkflip, the small wagon, against hiplop, the larger wagon, when the deadline is approaching and you've noted that you'll probably be out a few days?

This isn't really making much sense.

[Hiraki]

Answer other question. pl0x.

[Hiraki]

He's out of wagon-range today, but for future days, you think he's scum? (And/or are you open to the possibility of him being scum?)

Not sure, but plausible.

Need to see more stuff that Empking won't bring out.

[Hiraki]

Edmund.

If you don't like my play, you should do more than just say it's bad.

[Hiraki]

Wagon. Yes.

Lynch?

Plausibly.

Also, I can go for suspending the deadline, but not for extending it. If mod wants a deadline, we've had enough. If mod allows no deadline, let the games continue.

[Hiraki]

Well, obviously it wouldn't be a permanent suspension of the deadline.

I just don't think extension after extension is the correct approach. I think it's simpler to suspend-until-replacements-are-found, instead.

Ah.

That sounds nicer.

[Hiraki]

lol i wonder if the minority of the three would lose.

dunno.

I still vote Bowser.

[Hiraki]

Please.

[Hiraki]

The irony.

[Hiraki]

Empking.

Come back to the light.

[Hiraki]

Yeah I changed my mind again

[Hiraki]

pretty much "I CANT GET HIM LYNCHED, SO IMA BANDWAGON AGAIN".

:goodposting:

[Hiraki]

Hiplop still needs to die, seriously.

[Hiraki]

lol

[Hiraki]

I don't see how Hiplop is town still though.

I assume that's coming up.

The whole "this is ultra-town tell by coincidence" is erk.

I don't even see it being that townie.

[Hiraki]

are you like a lyncher or something

[Hiraki]

Tomie is as helpful as sorg.

Le sigh.

[Hiraki]

GI.

y u be hatin.

[Hiraki]

Tomie is as helpful as sorg.

Le sigh.

[Hiraki]

Denoting everyone as one person(?) is actually a bit erky.

Perhaps Mastin was right about Tomie.

[Hiraki]

Is this a joke?

[Hiraki]

No, I'm not sure still.

Sorg is seeming to enter my infuriatingly VI, but probably scum at the same time read.

Not sure though.

[Hiraki]

FINE THEN.

I'LL CAVE UNDER PRESSURE AND NOT CHANGE MY VOTE.

[Hiraki]

unvote, vote: hiplop

A lynch is better than a no-lynch

Translation: Someone knows which way Hiplop is flipping, oh yes.

excuse me?

[Hiraki]

Yeah I'm not changing.

I'm pretty sure it's over, but if not someone end this.

[Hiraki]

OMGUS is usually newbtown.

Absolutely no chance of tomie/sorg scum.

[Hiraki]

Btw. the reason that Hiplop has decided not to claim furthers my read even more.

[Hiraki]

Wow.

[Hiraki]

You're role speculating on Day 1.

no thanks.

[Hiraki]

You're role speculating on Day 1.

no thanks.

You role speculate about who is scum when you vote don't you?

No?

[Hiraki]

You need to die for saying bro.

The is the epitome of scumtells.

[Hiraki]

Are you trying to justify such a bad lie?

Diescum.

This is town ICE in action here. Before was wtfICE. Not sure if it's scum anymore.

[Hiraki]

Though it pains me, I'm not sure lies are scummy.

I am.