Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[sorgster]

Hi everone. I'm going to have to read through 32 pages of text.

[sorgster]

Vote: Hiplop

Grey, I still have no meta so you're wrong.

Btw. he's scum.

How can you me sure someone is scum that early in the game? How would anyone know other than scum?

You had a scum read on me? Lololol. Gods you suck Mastin. That whole reversal thing is working though. Glad

we're on the same team

. Let's tear it UP.

I won't be voting right off the bat -- I want to give the thread a more thorough read beforehand.

"I want to fence sit a little and see which wagons grows that is not on my

scumbuddy

. "

scumbuddy? Are you saying that you are buddies with scum?

unvote
vote ckhflip

Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.

He's pushing hiplop

hoping

he will kill a scum buddy.

unvote
vote hiraki

We'll kill hiplop tomorrow.

vezokpiraka seems suspicious. I'm going to look at the last three pages a bit now.

[sorgster]

Unvote

Vote vezopiraka

[sorgster]

Vote: Hiplop

Grey, I still have no meta so you're wrong.

Btw. he's scum.

How can you me sure someone is scum that early in the game? How would anyone know other than scum?

You had a scum read on me? Lololol. Gods you suck Mastin. That whole reversal thing is working though. Glad

we're on the same team

. Let's tear it UP.

I won't be voting right off the bat -- I want to give the thread a more thorough read beforehand.

"I want to fence sit a little and see which wagons grows that is not on my

scumbuddy

. "

unvote
vote ckhflip

Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.

He's pushing hiplop

hoping

he will kill a scum buddy.

unvote
vote hiraki

We'll kill hiplop tomorrow.

vezokpiraka seems suspicious. I'm going to look at the last three pages a bit now.

Im my last post, I showed these two quotes of vezokpiraka. He used the term scumbuddy. I think he meant that his buddies are scum. That is why I voted for him. If he meant that they were scum then why did he say ''vote on which wagon grows that is

not

on my scumbuddy. This is more than enough for me to think that he is scum.

[sorgster]

I explained why I voted just now, is that enough for a vote? I put that post right before the one I voted too.

[sorgster]

What does bussing mean? I know I sound like a complete noob right now
@vezok, not sure, I'll search for it in the morning. Kinda tired right now.

[sorgster]

I explained why I voted just now, is that enough for a vote? I put that post right before the one I voted too.

Scumbuddy means a person who is scum in a team with more people in it.

I used that term to mean those two guys were defending they're scumbuddies. Or something. I forgot which posts.

Doesn't seem to make sense to me in the context you used it in.

I won't be voting right off the bat -- I want to give the thread a more thorough read beforehand.

"I want to fence sit a little and see which

wagons grows that is not on

my

scumbuddy

. "

unvote
vote ckhflip

That is on post number 262. You were talking about how you would wait and vote on a wagon that is not on

your

scumbuddy.

[sorgster]

I think they are working together maxous

[sorgster]

I think they are working together maxous

zmuffin is right. I was "quoting " that person.

Okay, your first explanation did not make much sense, this one does though

Unvote

Vote Hiplop

I think he is bussing with hiraki

[sorgster]

I haven't read through the whole thread, takes way too long. Not sure why any of these people(other than hiplop bussing with hiraki potentially) are suspicious. Can you please fill me in?

My vote isn't in the correct format so it doesn't count currently.

[sorgster]

enlighten me. so why is toonfighter suspicious? I see everyone voting for hiplop and think he may be working with hiraki currently but hiraki doesn't have enough to get lynched.

[sorgster]

Quotes(the most suspicious ones) or anything specific that he did in particular.

What was matin's opinion of townie? His lists at the start were strange to say the least

[sorgster]

GreyICE also ignores me to RVote.

Phoebus votes me without a word. But it's a Policy Vote. Phoebus's only game with me was when I was a Lyncher. It was a Large Normal. ("Lyncher. In. A. Normal. Whut?" Yeeeeeeeeeeeah, that game's kinda the reason we have setup reviewers, now. It also had a cult which could kill, and a mafia mason, among others.) He saw me as anti-town, he thinks of me in general as anti-town. Simple enough logic. I don't feel he would've bandwagoned me as scum.

At least, not like this--he votes me without a word. Implying his dislike, rather than flat-out stating it. It has a serious town Tone to the vote. (Yes, Votes have Tone. I cover this in my Guide To Scumhunting.)

WIN

Vote: Tomie

This reeks of 1: bandwagoning (and perhaps hypocrisy--depends on how you interpret the "WIN"; the tone is rather ambiguous), and 2: bussing Tomie.

Bowser--who trusted my reads in his last post--follows this trust to a logical conclusion. Serious town points, for Bowser.

No doubt Warrior's a newb. This ignorance reads as newb-town rather than newb-scum. The Late-RV is generally a signature town move.

And phoebus is scum

VOTE: Phoebus

Scumhunts on something which on the surface does look bad. This shows a legitimate interest in trying to find the scum. Muffin is among the first to do this. And is therefore town.

Hey mastin what exactly are you trying to accomplish with these "reads" of yours?

1: Scum tone. Pappums uses safe wording. 2: This is fluff. Asking me what I intend to achieve with that strategy is something to make Pappums look like he's contributing to discussion, when in fact this question is useless. 3: It also plants doubt in the town's mind as to my legitimacy.

I dont see any scum motivation behind it, I just think its kind of odd.

Fencesitting. Leaves open a back door to track through if necessary, if the need arises for mastin-suspicion. Gives nothing productive to the discussion--doesn't mention why it's odd, doesn't say why he doesn't see scum motivation in it...doesn't give anything.

It's a worthless scum post. It has a clear scum motive behind it: trying to appear more town than he really is. And guess what? So far, the town appears to have mostly bought it.

In what way could mastin's lolreads possibly be misconstrued by anyone as "trying to look helpful" ? He claims to have reads on people who have only posted their "/confirm".

Pressures hiplop, yet doesn't vote hiplop. It also subtly plants the idea that "Mastin's reads are worthless". (When I've rather conclusively shown you how my reads were in fact serious, and quite objective in their basis.)

somerandomguy ( 2 ) - PranaDevil, warriormode
zMuffinMan ( 2 ) - somerandomguy, edmund.angles
Hirarky ( 2 ) - paupam's rat, GreyICE

Two scum in here, guaranteed. Edmund is one, and Pappums is the other. (This is one of the main reasons GreyICE is at the bottom of my scum-list: he really is the most likely to be wrong.)

paupam's rat ( 1 ) - Hirarky
Bowser ( 1 ) - Uprising
Phoebus ( 1 ) - zMuffinMan

I'd also expect one scum here as well. It's not Hiraki or Muffin, so if there's scum, it's Uprising/chk.

mastin2 ( 6 ) - Toon Fighter, Tomie Uzumaki, Maxous, malpascp, Phoebus, hiplop

This does need 1-2 scum on it, but I've pretty well explained my reads on pretty much all of them, showing why Tomie's my main suspect, here.

This is 3-5 of the scum. So, in conclusion, 0-2 (most likely one) is in the leftovers. Like, oh...

Tomie Uzumaki ( 3 ) - mastin2, Empking, Bowser

There! Very likely one scum. Empking fits the pattern.

This is only through page three. (...I'm not going to finish this tonight, am I? >_< So much for my promise... :/)

This entire post. Way more than enough proof in here that hes a strong player. He's done much more than you have GREYICE

so in other news, lewarcher is scum. Making a big deal out of nothing...

In over half the quotes there he has just called people scum because they were voting and then decided to state who were the scum without giving reasons(just like he did when he made those lists)
@hiplop, why are you defending mastin when he can be defending himself. Why does he need any help? This looks like scumbuddies to me or at least buddying.
@lewarcher, I understood the term but I didn't realize he was applying it to the person he was quoting.

[sorgster]

Hiplop, I don't want to cast a lynching vote so explain, using quotes of others, etc what townie motivation was in your actions that caused others to think of you as suspicious. Why would a townie do the things you did? Explain.

[sorgster]

Honestly, I still don't see how my play is justifiable as scummy, I really haven't done anything that could be considered scummy, except for maybe defending mastin, but that was only recently.

Then why are you at l-1?

[sorgster]

Not at all Hiraki, dead serious.

Scum are on my wagon, that's why Sorgy. I guess I could be seen as a lurker; but really, me on day one? For those reasons is pretty meh to be completely honest. You don't learn anything from my death..

Around half the people are not scum. I think you are scum. I gave u a chance for a defence and you had none. We learn something from your death. Your alignment and potential scum.

Unvote

Vote:Hiplop

[sorgster]

@mastin, you seem scummy to me. Making lists with no logic in them at the start. In one of those post hiplop made to defend you, all you did was claim people were scum because they voted.
Btw, I replaced tomie, it should be sorgster suspicion now, not tomie.

[sorgster]

Amazing fake-hammer, sorg.

...except it doesn't look fake; on the contrary, it looks like opportunistic scum coming in for the hammer with little to no basis. My reaction fish L-1 vote got what I wanted, an amazing town-motivated reaction from nullishscum hiplop.

UNVOTE: hiplop
VOTE: sorgster

I think Toon or sorgster are great picks for today's lynch, followed by Bowser for a close third.

I asked him to defend himself before I voted, he didn't and said we'll gain nothing from his lynch. I only voted after that.

[sorgster]

@ mod: can we get a votecount plox?

Neverrrr!

hiplop (

9

) -

paupam's rat, malpascp, Hirarky, lewarcher82, Maxous, vezokpiraka, Toon Fighter, Bowser, sorgster

Toon Fighter ( 6 ) -

zMuffinMan, GreyICE, chkflip, Empking, edmund.angles, warriormode

paupam's rat ( 3 ) -

hiplop, mastin2, HezLucky

Bowser ( 1 ) -

MintKitten

Tomie Uzumaki ( 1 ) -

David Xanatos

zMuffinMan ( 1 ) -

somerandomguy

11 Votes to Lynch

Day 1 will end at approximately 10:00AM GMT+0 on the 30^th of July.

David Xanatos

replaces

Pine

I'm of a mind to unsuspend the deadline now as we're only missing one replacement. What say you guys?

My vote has been on hiplop on this point and I never unvoted. He was a l-1 chkflip but since I unvoted him to vote him again, he stayed at 10 votes. Even to show I never casted the lynching vote and I knew that all the time? You thought he was at l-1 though.

[sorgster]

Amazing fake-hammer, sorg.

...except it doesn't look fake; on the contrary, it looks like opportunistic scum coming in for the hammer with little to no basis. My reaction fish L-1 vote got what I wanted, an amazing town-motivated reaction from nullishscum hiplop.

UNVOTE: hiplop
VOTE: sorgster

I think Toon or sorgster are great picks for today's lynch, followed by Bowser for a close third.

sorry for the second post, but I never did any fake hammer having created it myself. You didn't reaction fish chkflip. I did.

[sorgster]

Amazing fake-hammer, sorg.

...except it doesn't look fake; on the contrary, it looks like opportunistic scum coming in for the hammer with little to no basis. My reaction fish L-1 vote got what I wanted, an amazing town-motivated reaction from nullishscum hiplop.

UNVOTE: hiplop
VOTE: sorgster

I think Toon or sorgster are great picks for today's lynch, followed by Bowser for a close third.

Really? I was one of the 9 people who had their vote on him(at last vote count).You became the 10th. You weren't reaction fishing. When you voted he was l-1. All I did was confuse everyone when I had my vote on him the whole time and unvoted him to revote him..

Stop taking credit for my work

. You never reaction fished, you just made that up when you realized something went wrong with your math.

I

was the person reaction fishing. Calling me scum for

my reaction fishing

?

UNVOTE: hiplop
VOTE: chkflip

[sorgster]

ROFLCOPTER great OMGUS vote, bro.

I'm not taking credit for what you did, you're just not seeing how my vote played to hiplop's reaction. I'll explain it when I've got more free time.

Explain asap. You did take credit for what I did. Your vote didn't do much except put him at l-1. Atferwards you claimed, that he was really at l-2 and that this was a test to see who is scum and will put the lynching vote.

[sorgster]

9+6+3+(1x5)=23?

[sorgster]

whoops nvm

[sorgster]

You're role speculating on Day 1.

no thanks.

You role speculate about who is scum when you vote don't you?

[sorgster]

whoever is preventing a flip from happening is scum-motivated. Especially because hiplop's flip will very likely be scum.

sorg: I'd love to see chk hang, but you are giving me a strange feeling. WHY DO YOU VOTE someone with no other votes 4 hours from deadline??????

It said 4 days, more than enough time for a lynch.

[sorgster]

Why is tf scum then? Anyone want to tell me? I won't vote for him unless I know why people think he is scum.

[sorgster]

Unvote
Vote ToonFighter

I don't think hiplop is scum and there must be a lynch. Especially in the very first day phase.

[sorgster]

@maxous, I did that knowing it wasn't a hammer. His defence was good. It said that there was no attack on him except for his defence of mastin(who seems suspcious to me). After that he thought he was out and said good luck town. That didn't seem like what a scum would say.
@mastin What did I do that is even scum-like? Why are you saying a no lynch is good? That sounds scummy to me. Just because you got lucky in other games, doesn't mean you will get lucky in this one with lynches. Why especially not hiplop? You two seem to be bussing in my opinion. You were saying a lot of fluff at the start mastin.

[sorgster]

Spoiler: list

1. Empking <--Scum.
2. edmund.angles <--Scum.
3. PranaDevil MintKitten Zdenek
5. Bowser <--Town.
6. vezokpiraka
7. GreyICE <--Town, via ICE/Pine.
8. Uprising chkflip <--Former scum-lean.
9. Torqez Hezlucky <--Town.
10. Maxous <--Town.
11. malpascp
13. Pine David Xanatos <--Scum, via ICE/Pine.
14. pappums rat <--Scum?
15. warriormode
16. Tomie Uzumaki sorgster <--Former scumread.
17. Hiraki (May Need Replacing?)
19. SomeRandomGuy
20. zMuffinMan <--Town.

Narrowed down:
1. Empking <--Scum.
2. edmund.angles <--Scum.
3. PranaDevil MintKitten Zdenek
6. vezokpiraka (town-lean)
7. GreyICE <--Town, via ICE/Pine.
8. Uprising chkflip <--Former scum-lean.
11. malpascp (stronger town-lean)
13. Pine David Xanatos <--Scum, via ICE/Pine.
14. pappums rat <--Scum?
15. warriormode (strong town-lean)
16. Tomie Uzumaki sorgster <--Former scumread.
17. Hiraki (May Need Replacing?)
19. SomeRandomGuy


One of my current scumreads is wrong, unless they're the SK. My previous (former) scumreads also look like potential

SK

candidates, but otherwise, town.

Need to re-evaluate the game right now. See what fits where.

It could be a vigilante instead of a sk.

[sorgster]

VOTE: Edmund

Someone said they were a daycop, can u plz investigate edmund?

[sorgster]

@GreyIce: I have a feeling I'm not gonna like your method of confirming me.

You don't like the method of being investigated to be confirmed about your role? Sounds fishy to me.

[sorgster]

*cough*

I have a way to mod-confirm him, but I need a few more townies voting for him first.

@GreyIce: I have a feeling I'm not gonna like your method of confirming me.

You don't like the method of being investigated to be confirmed about your role? Sounds fishy to me.

He meant he was gonna get me confirmed by lynching me.

Oh, I thought he was going to investigate you.

[sorgster]

2. edmund.angles <--Very minor scum-lean.
3. PranaDevil <--Very minor town-lean.
4. hiplop <--Flip-flops, so null.
8. Uprising <--Flip-flops, but overall leans town. (So, very minorly.)
9.

Torqez <--Town

.
10.

Maxous <---Also town

.
13. Pine
14.

pappums rat <--I'm guessing town

.
16. Tomie Uzumaki <--Scumz.
17. Hiraki <--Null. I'll look more into this.
18.

Toon Fighter <--Town

.
19. SomeRandomGuy <--Very slight town-read.
20. zMuffinMan <--Also a very slight town-read.

The gaps are people who I have trouble judging the content on, so far.

At first he only called about 5 people as town

Mastin called Tf town at the start. Either his starting posts were full of rubbish or he put the scum as the certain town ones. The others were also slight or neutral or whatever.

Vote Mastin

[sorgster]

Edmund calling for my policy vig-->confirmation he's scum. Living, breathing scum. Empking's defense of Edmund-->why he still is a scumread. Vezok's way of pushing Edmund-->town. Edmund voting Maxous the way he did-->Ed's scum, Max isn't. Sorgster voting for me with that reason-->obv-OMGUS. Will review if it's lolnewbtown-OMGUS, or lolnewbscum-OMGUS.

@mastin, phoebus(who lewarcher replaced) was also on your town list at the start of the game. I think you are scum. Those lists were random, made you suspicious at the start, then hiplop, who attacked you, became suspicious,etc. Imo your lists were as scummy as they can be. Maxous seems like scum and was among the first few people you called town. So was tf.

[sorgster]

@neruz:You put 4 people in Maxous's wagon and put 2 as the count.

Neruz is pro at mafs.
Also it was 5 people on the wagon, sorgster is also pro at mafs.

[sorgster]

Neruz just PM'ed me. He overlooked that I had lost my vote during the night. I see he has also edited the votecounts to reflect this.

Is there a power that does that which can use in the day phase like a day cop? Also, what if scum removed power from scum to help them avoid suspicion and chance of being lynched. Someone mentioned a third party, could it have something to do with them then?

[sorgster]

Unless you've got a way to explain a scum power robbing a scum player of their vote...

Well, could be a town power. Always that possibility.

Any town day power (with the possible exception of dayvig--depends on who they target ) is claimed immediately.

If someone fails to claim the power, it's therefore a scum power.

Common knowledge, really.

If they claim and are a townpower, then they would be killed in the night. Also, if it was a scum day power, they would have used it on edmund easily to make him seem not scum and help their fellow scum survive.

[sorgster]

No, Sorgster.
If they claim and are a town-power, they're made suspicious because it's an inheritently scummy ability. (Vote manipulation is FAR stronger as a scum ability than as a town ability.) Scum'd never nightkill someone like that.

If they don't claim, it's synonymous with it being labelled scum power automatically.

If it is a daypower, then could it not be scum using it on scum to make scum seem innocent?

[sorgster]

YAY.

Everyone is V/LA. Or replacing out.

Why do you never post much other than fluff?

[sorgster]

I got a gut SK read on him, not sure why.

[sorgster]

Unvote
Vote Maxous

Lewarcher saying maxous is town makes maxous seem scummy.

[sorgster]

No, Sorgster.
If they claim and are a town-power, they're made suspicious because it's an inheritently scummy ability. (Vote manipulation is FAR stronger as a scum ability than as a town ability.) Scum'd never nightkill someone like that.

If they don't claim, it's synonymous with it being labelled scum power automatically.

VOTE: Greyice

Was he also the one who claimed daycop at one time?

[sorgster]

Unvote

[sorgster]

KILL GI, SCUM. HE'S THE BEST KILL.

In game communication.

If zMuff flips scum we can assume his partner is a fairly new player.

Unvote
Vote zMuff

That pretty much means that if he's lynched and flips scum, I'm getting lynched next day phase.

Since the vote stealing was a town power, there's no need to stop voting edmund.

Vote Edmund

[sorgster]

@Zdenek about his zMuff vote: You're making to big a deal out of a joke.

That pretty much means that if he's lynched and flips scum, I'm getting lynched next day phase.

@sorgster: Are you saying that you find zMuff scummy but don't want to vote him because Zdenek will go after you next?

His posts telling scum to lynch GI now seemed scummy. I dislike the idea of being gone after next. Plus, even if he turns out townie, he can say the scum seems newbish, so eliminate me.

[sorgster]

Isn't the only possible role greyICE is the inventor? I'm pretty sure he one shotted the ability to be a cop as well. He announced both. Scum don't have that kind of ability so ice MUST be town.

[sorgster]

I can go with sorgster - he seems to protective of his own hide.

VOTE: sorgster

@zMuff: Last time you mentioned pappum's before you voted him you said he wasn't scum. Just tell me what has changed you mind or why you think you were wrong here:

Actually, pappums isn't scum. No way toonfighter jumped on that wagon to bus him. That was a counterwagon.

Look at my other games, I always do that lol.

[sorgster]

I can go with sorgster - he seems to protective of his own hide.

VOTE: sorgster

None of my games have finished yet, but look at page two of ny139:underground mafia. I overreacted to a rvs apparently. None of my games have ended. I have been lynched in one of them because of tunnelling and then changing my attitude in day two. I was vt then. I'm great at being suspicious. Am that in every single game of mine.

[sorgster]

sorry about that

[sorgster]

How many votes does edmund have on him now?

[sorgster]

Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.

He's pushing hiplop hoping he will kill a scum buddy.

unvote
vote hiraki

We'll

kill hiplop tomorrow.

We'll

who is we?

Both bowser and hiplop are nearly the same just hiplop is worse.

Why are people voting bowser over him again?

Trying to deflect attetion from bowser to hiplop

Lynch one already. If Bowser wagon is derailed something is up.

Trying to get hiplop or bowser lynched.

unvote
vote Toon fighter

Finally I can end this day.

Lynching toonfighter trying to gain some townpoints as tf was dead anyways.

Why isn't edmund dead yet?

Are we just playing around until everyone gets prodded?
Also Neruz: I am V/LA. When I have computer time I check some games so you may see my activity going around but I always try to get all the games in a day or two.

unvote
vote hiplop

This day just needs to end.

Vezopirika seems to be in a rush to lynch people as well. He has been mostly(except his hiraki vote) joining bandwagons. Yes I know this is a deflection but he just seems scummy to me.
Note that he never asked why tf isn't dead yet but did ask that of csl and hiplop. He also voted to join the biggest bandwagon in there. The lynch was a way for townpoints I believe.

Unvote
Vote Vezokpiraka

[sorgster]

Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.

He's pushing hiplop hoping he will kill a scum buddy.

unvote
vote hiraki

We'll

kill hiplop tomorrow.

We'll

who is we?

This is REALLY dumb. We, the town, will kill so and so tomorrow. You've got to be kidding me.

Also, you are voting vezok for his GREAT vote on hiraki.

Unvote, vote: sorgster

:gots his chainsaw:

excessive explanation of a vote is excessive.

why isn't sorgster lynched yet?

Why would I vote for veoz because he is voting hiraki? Hiraki is currently voting for me.

[sorgster]

Ebwop:Also, if I didn't use excessive information, people will ask me why or say what I have said is not enough to give a vote.

[sorgster]

What am I making up hezlucky?

[sorgster]

Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.

He's pushing hiplop hoping he will kill a scum buddy.

unvote
vote hiraki

We'll

kill hiplop tomorrow.

We'll

who is we?

This is REALLY dumb. We, the town, will kill so and so tomorrow. You've got to be kidding me.

Also, you are voting vezok for his

GREAT vote on hiraki.

Unvote, vote: sorgster

:gots his chainsaw:

excessive explanation of a vote is excessive.

why isn't sorgster lynched yet?

Got confused by that and for a second I thought greyice was hiraki.

[sorgster]

Let's start then.

We as in we the town. You don't count for account of being scum.

1.Trying to deflect attention from Bowser to Hiplop? What is that supposed to mean? Do you think bowser is scum and I was trying to save a scum buddy?

2.Next I'm trying to get either bowser or hiplop lynched. Great. I think they were both scummy.What is bad with this again?

TF was one of my biggest scum reads along with hiplop and Bowser.

3.Do you want me to vote people with no votes on them? Tell me what the purpose there will be.

Now that I debunked your case please answer my questions.

@1.You could have been for all I know

@2. You seemed to be going more for hiplop than bowser

@3. I see nothing wrong with pressuring people that have little to no suspicion on them. If you don't then only the easy lynches will be gone. The scum will just stay mostly quiet, etc.

[sorgster]

Not sure edmund. That statement of his still seemed pretty suspicious to me.

[sorgster]

Unvote
Vote zmuffinman

He's done quite a few prod dodges.

[sorgster]

When TF and hiplop wagons were big in day one, mastin told everyone that they are both town and he refuses to vote either. His earliest reads were strange. Now he starts a deflection away from chkflip onto Xanatos. This could have been an attempt to save tf(who was likelier to die) and win townpoints by not voting hiplop as well. I'm not jumping onto his bandwagon on David Xanatos.

Unvote
Vote Chkflip

[sorgster]

I wasn't saying you were scum mastin. Just some of your reads have been pretty off.

Unvote

I didn't realize chkflip was the second to jump onto the tf wagon.

[sorgster]

Ebwop: Being the fourth to vote on an 11 person wagon, doesn't make edmund suspicious imo.

[sorgster]

I was fully on and agreed with the

TF lynch

, though, and

would've hammered if the mod error had been corrected in time

.

My vote flew all over the place D1, unfortunately, because (as previously explained) I was sort of lazy and tired of the really long day with all it's deadline extensions, flakers, etc etc etc.

So you weren't the second one then since you

would

have hammered given the oppurtunity.

Unvote
Vote chkflip

[sorgster]

I was fully on and agreed with the

TF lynch

, though, and

would've hammered if the mod error had been corrected in time

.

My vote flew all over the place D1, unfortunately, because (as previously explained) I was sort of lazy and tired of the really long day with all it's deadline extensions, flakers, etc etc etc.

So you weren't the second one then since you

would

have hammered given the oppurtunity.

Unvote
Vote chkflip

Originally, I was the second vote on the wagon with heavy suspicions toward Toon. Pay attention.

But you unvoted after, right? Weren't u the one that was mistakenly on the wagon?

[sorgster]

I was fully on and agreed with the

TF lynch

, though, and

would've hammered if the mod error had been corrected in time

.

My vote flew all over the place D1, unfortunately, because (as previously explained) I was sort of lazy and tired of the really long day with all it's deadline extensions, flakers, etc etc etc.

So you weren't the second one then since you

would

have hammered given the oppurtunity.

Unvote
Vote chkflip

Originally, I was the second vote on the wagon with heavy suspicions toward Toon. Pay attention.

But you unvoted after, right? Weren't u the one that was mistakenly on the wagon?

Hello loaded question, nice to meet you here.

But seriously, are you trying to pin me as scummy by way of mod mistake? That's what this sounds like.

Whether I unvoted or not, my suspicions were clear and true from the beginning. This is a straw-manning argument at best, guy.

To answer the question: yes, I unvoted. Yes, the mod made the mistake of leaving my name on the wagon. Yes, I didn't say a goddamn word about it because I felt very strongly about Toon-scum and left the error to the person who caused it.

Answer me this: how does that make me scummy at all?

It's not that it makes you scummy. The reason I unvoted is that it seemed to make sense for a townie to be second in voting for someone rather than scum. However since you unvoted a bit after, that doesn't make you for sure not scum.

[sorgster]

sorgster

, does the unvote (and reasons I've given therein) make me not town?

Also, you just said that unvoting doesn't make me scummy... but it's not entirely pro-town to have unvoted? So, if I'm reading this correctly, you're voting me on a null-tell?

Null tell I guess in honesty. That sounds pretty stupid to me now that I think about it.

Unvote. Btw are you at l-2 or l-3 right now?
Vote Xanatos

[sorgster]

What did toon fighter say about lewarcher though?

[sorgster]

I know, I'm asking what lewarcher would have been according to toonfighter's words.

[sorgster]

Ebwop: TF also called maxous town. Maxous was lynched and was a townie.

[sorgster]

Can we have a votecount please?

NO VOTECOUNT FOR YOU.

[sorgster]

Whoops I missed that. Take out David now. Hurry up.

[sorgster]

Isn't Greyice the inventor(day phase only)? First phase, he was a cop and used his ability on someone.

[sorgster]

Inventor isn't banned from there either.

[sorgster]

David Xanatos (

5

) -

mastin2, CSL, sorgster, Amrun, edmund.angles

malpascp ( 4 ) -

zMuffinMan, Zdenek, chkflip, hezlucky

chkflip ( 3 ) -

David Xanatos, vezokpiraka

mastin2 ( 1 ) -

GreyICE

GreyICE ( 1 ) -

warriormode

8 votes to lynch

Deadline in (expired on 2011-09-14 08:00:00)

Shouldn't that 3 on chkflip be a two? Vezok, David X, GeryIce, warriormode. Please join one of the two wagons. If this keeps up we won't get any lynch for today.

[sorgster]

vote HezLucky

[sorgster]

Forgot to bold my vote

Vote Hezlucky

[sorgster]

Nice counterwagon guys.

FOS: GreyICE

Vote: David Xanatos

also

sorgster is scum

discuss

So I'm scum and you are voting David. why are you asking us to discuss that? Some sign to your scumbuddies to try and lynch me?

[sorgster]

Also muffin, for the post game - very solid vigging (drops a few points if you shot EmpKing, but well).

who has he shot so far?

[sorgster]

16. Tomie Uzumaki sorgster <--TOWN AS PER MASTIN READ

WHICH WE WILL NO LONGER IGNORE,

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

.

14. pappums rat Amrun <--NULL READ AND BACKUP SCUMSPECT. (As in, if I'm wrong about one of my three, Amrun's who I'd choose to replace them.)

13. Pine David Xanatos <--SCUM READ NUMBER ONE,

WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED

ON DAY TWO

WHEN I TOLD YOU TO

!

3. PranaDevil MintKitten Zdenek <--SCUM READ TWO.

2. edmund.angles <--SCUM READ THREE.


I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY LYNCH OUTSIDE OF DAVID, ZDENEK, EDMUND, OR AMRUN. (If you're really, reeeeeeeeally nice to me and convincing enough, Vezok

might

be added to there, but VERY DOUBTFUL.)

Assume 5 scum, 3 left. 8 town and 3 scum left in game. Assuming we listen to mastin2, we lynch david X. David turns out to be vt as he claimed. Mastin says he msut have been the mistake and amrun must be scum.Then someone else gets nked(e.g me).
Then assume amrun gets lynched and is town. then another person gets nked. That means 7 ppl left including 3 scum. Low odds of victory

[sorgster]

Ebwop:

Unvote
Vote Greyice

I thought he was the inventor but then I realized he wasn't the person who claimed daycop then. He's used his ability every phase a town has been lynched. Didn't touch it for tf's wagon.Ability should have been a day one. Also, vote stealing is more effective as a scum ability which someone else said here. Revealing it early in the game would help reduce people's supsicions.

[sorgster]

I don't think neruz's post made any significance to my alignment. He could have said the same thing if I was a serial killer, recruiting mason, jester.etc. That does not mean 100% sure I'm town. Only time that you can be sure is if you have investigated someone(and know you aren't paranoid/insane) or they are scum and working with you.

[sorgster]

I hope this is scum

Unvote
Vote David X

[sorgster]

See, edmund? Things like that are why people have been calling you scum from day one. Point 2-->fearmongering, and if you really believe that a GI kill would make a difference, you're not taking in part of the equasion which I have.
Point 1-->we are. With four lynches instead of three, we can afford to have four suspects instead of three. In other words, Zdenek, you, chkflip, AND Vezok are all on the chopping block. There's only ONE assumption which needs to be made, and that's

Bowser/CSL being town

, an assumption I am happy to make.

Vote Vezok

I hope this is scum. This better not be another David X.

[sorgster]

Zdenk died. It said in the title a hero has died so I'm assuming he took a bullet from someone or protected scum.

[sorgster]

Why didn't you guys iso me after I died?? The first 2 I attacked were vezok and chkflp. There was a reason he killed me and I wasn't a conftownie at that point I believe.

[sorgster]

Oh btw. I think there is a stupid SK left.

Kill him too please. He killed too many scum.

It might mastin because we blocked him

night 3.

Claim: Hider

N1 - Muffin
N2 - warriormode

N3 - Didn't use it

, I think I forgot. Don't recall. I think this was the speedlynch day that caught me off guard?
N4 - CSL
N5 - GreyICE
IIRC a hider dies if they hide behind scum, right? So that should mean that CSL and GI are conftown.

[sorgster]

Thx for the god modding neruz .