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Post #492 (isolation #0) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:16 am
Postby vijay2vasandani »
hey guys, sorry it took so long for me to post after getting the PM. EL issues. Anyway its good now, and will read the game again just to make sure I understand it. I haven't played that many games on MS, so forgive my newbieness. Tbh this is my first game with more than 13 people.
Anyway, VOTE: funkybike1
Seriously, he hasn't done anything except for jump on two bandwagons.
@ Beck: I have only read till p15 but I can sort of understand why you're pissed. However, I suggest not considering your cases as overly strong because the game hasn't progressed enough for that kind of certainty. That being said
FoS: zdenek
Note only until p15 so sorry if my comments are bit outdated. Will post in about an hour.
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Post #496 (isolation #2) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:08 am
Postby vijay2vasandani »
One person that strikes me as odd is Shattered. I don't know if he's a little bit crazy but not everybody has posted enough content. However, I'd like to see where his "amazing" scumhunting leads us.
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Post #572 (isolation #3) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:09 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
I don't know what is it about this game, but people seem to be so arrogant. Can we just put that aside and play?
The people I am thinking we should lynch are:
1 - funkybike - bandwagoning like hell, no contribution whatsoever and a stupid vig claim I don't believe
2 - zdenek - pl that he said was fake but didn't really seem like it
3 - shattered - stupid to think he can catch 4 scum so early in the game. Not super sure of his scumminess, but leaning scum because his arrogance is something I would expect from scum who is trying to bluff his way through.
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Post #674 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:22 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
Sorgster, you seem to keep jumping on every available wagon. However, I have to agree that SV is an idiot. For fucks sake, you can't get it right this early. If you do, its a guess. You are bluffing.
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint
YES, I'VE GOT SCUM. I'M JUST THAT GOOD!
Stop being cocky as fuck. Please.
In post 674, vijay2vasandani wrote:Sorgster, you seem to keep jumping on every available wagon. However, I have to agree that SV is an idiot. For fucks sake, you can't get it right this early. If you do, its a guess. You are bluffing.
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint
YES, I'VE GOT SCUM. I'M JUST THAT GOOD!
Stop being cocky as fuck. Please.
Who started that wagon? I didn't notice he had been voted on before.
Sorry, I retract my statement. I thought that a lot more people were on it before you.
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Post #693 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:45 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
Um ThAd, I talked about how I thought sorgster was jumping on every single wagon, instead of thinking before doing it, which has been corrected and I have retracted. Also, I am voting him because I think his being cocky is a bluff to cover his scumminess. Originally I thought it was just arrogance but when he continued to do it, I felt he was bluffing.
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Post #695 (isolation #9) » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:16 am
Postby vijay2vasandani »
I believe he tries to cover up the fact that he is scum by bluffing that he knows who is scum. He tries to intimidate the other players (failing miserably) into believing he is right. I've seen scum do this before so I may be biased. But if he was actually town, he wouldn't be idiotically cocky in my opinion.
In post 906, Slandaar wrote:@rev: can you present a case on beck if you are town please, I need to see your though process behind why you find beck scummy.
If we don't get rid of him, scum will ride his ass to victory because you people will be too scared to lynch him on day 4.
I've have been reading the cases against Rev, and while the posts are good, its this inconsistency that was the tipping point. When asked to post his case on Beck, and we assume he finds Beck scummy because of his insistence that it is NOT a PL, he replies with if you don't get rid of him. Yet he in this post, he is saying that Beck is town, as kindly pointed out by Slaandar. I honestly think Rev deserves my vote more than SV, because while I think SV may have been bluffing, he posts like once every two or so days and expects us to bow down before his awesomeness. Also, if Beck is Rev's "top scumread" according to that "case"(shouldnt even be calling it that), then I seriously doubt that Rev has really been scumhunting, otherwise he wouldn't be pushing a PL that he insists is not a PL.
@ Slaandar: I really like your input so far in this game, and I respect your opinions. However, personally I cannot see how ThAd is the scummiest player in this game so far.
In post 674, vijay2vasandani wrote:Sorgster, you seem to keep jumping on every available wagon. However, I have to agree that SV is an idiot. For fucks sake, you can't get it right this early. If you do, its a guess. You are bluffing.
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint
YES, I'VE GOT SCUM. I'M JUST THAT GOOD!
Stop being cocky as fuck. Please.
Who started that wagon? I didn't notice he had been voted on before.
Sorry, I retract my statement. I thought that a lot more people were on it before you.
In post 693, vijay2vasandani wrote:Um ThAd, I talked about how I thought sorgster was jumping on every single wagon, instead of thinking before doing it, which has been corrected and I have retracted. Also, I am voting him because I think his being cocky is a bluff to cover his scumminess. Originally I thought it was just arrogance but when he continued to do it, I felt he was bluffing.
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Post #979 (isolation #15) » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:09 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
In post 971, Faraday wrote:I don't understand your question vijay - I find your SV vote scummy.
In post 693, vijay2vasandani wrote:Um ThAd, I talked about how I thought sorgster was jumping on every single wagon, instead of thinking before doing it, which has been corrected and I have retracted.
Also, I am voting him because I think his being cocky is a bluff to cover his scumminess. Originally I thought it was just arrogance but when he continued to do it, I felt he was bluffing.
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Post #1035 (isolation #16) » Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:05 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
Actually, I agree with Slandaar's assessment of the SV situation. If he is scum, which I think he is, then we can all celebrate, if not, we have brilliant town reads that we can all rely on. Other than SV, I would entertain a Hiraki lynch because he hasn't dome anything. I won't claim to know anything about how he plays, but from the comments regarding him, I see him as a possible lynch.
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Post #1040 (isolation #17) » Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:58 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
Funky - i don't really understand the arguments about him being town. Imo, his bandwagoning is something scum would do. How does him being too scummy make him town? (well that's what I'm understanding from people)
Rev - aside from IAAUN's case on him, I believe he is scummy because of some inconsistencies I pointed out in a previous post. The reason for this is because I believe scum can't really keep up with all the crap they make up (unless they are you, considering the very high opinion the players have of you)
SV - the way he plays is reminiscent of a friend of mine I play with IRL. The arrogance seems to be an attempt to intimidate us, and I believe is a bluff to make us think he's town through his awesome scumhunting.
I haven't played all that many games of mafia here and I know my reads may be suboptimum, but yeah those are what I get from the game.
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Post #1115 (isolation #24) » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:16 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
In post 1040, vijay2vasandani wrote:Funky - i don't really understand the arguments about him being town. Imo, his bandwagoning is something scum would do. How does him being too scummy make him town? (well that's what I'm understanding from people)
Rev - aside from IAAUN's case on him, I believe he is scummy because of some inconsistencies I pointed out in a previous post. The reason for this is because I believe scum can't really keep up with all the crap they make up (unless they are you, considering the very high opinion the players have of you)
SV - the way he plays is reminiscent of a friend of mine I play with IRL. The arrogance seems to be an attempt to intimidate us, and I believe is a bluff to make us think he's town through his awesome scumhunting.
I haven't played all that many games of mafia here and I know my reads may be suboptimum, but yeah those are what I get from the game.
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Post #1120 (isolation #27) » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:20 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
Okay, here we go:
Beck - honestly, I believe Beck is town. Although there was a lot of hate going around, I believe that his aggression is just a part of his playing style, regardless of alignment. Furthermore, while not all of his cases have been the strongest, he sticks up for them and is willing to draw attention to himself, something I would expect from a townie. The only thing I dislike is the fact that he has 270 posts, which makes his ISO ridiculously hard to read. XD keep doing what your doing Beck, but try not to be drawn by some of the trollsier people in the game, because it doesn't help town.
Bvoigt - leaning town. He genuinely scumhunts and seems to be on the same wavelength as me regarding Rev and Beck. Although the meta provided against my case on SV confuses me, because I don't know what to do with him now.
DavidParker - one of the players I forgot existed tbh. He only has 8 posts which is poor form imo. I don't really have anything except for the fact that he thinks rev is scum, which makes him null-town a bit.
Faraday/IAAUN - initially, I didn't have anything to say about this slot. However, with IAAUN's last posts and the way Faraday is playing, I am inclined to believe this slot is town. However, I have heard Faraday plays brilliantly as scum (Pine I think?) So I'm not ready to accept them as town just yet.
Funkybike - my read on him hasn't changed. I don't understand the argument for funky-town. What I'm hearing is that he is too obv-scum that he has to be town? Lol, not getting that at all, sorry. Still a scumread in my book for jumping onto bandwagons. Probably should post more too. And im not sure if he claimed vig, but I'm not inclined to believe him, because he could have easily seen all the other jokeclaims and decided to claim vig because it was safe. Furthermore his comments about how somebody still suspects him after he unvoted the person. It's almost as if he is scum and he unvoted to gain support.
Hiraki - he seems to be trolling the game, and people say he does not normally play like this. While some people may think he is just bored town, imo he is more likely to be mafia, looking at the way he has been playing. Null-scum for me.
Pine - another player I think is town. Sure he and Beck argue a lot, but it stinks of town-town to me. Also, he seems to agree on Rev, so more townie points for him.
Pops - I don't even know why this guy has his vote on me. Its almost as if he saw Faraday vote for me and decided that he could jump on. His reason is that my ISO isn't very townie (lol, how? I don't know what you're talking about) and that my top three scumreads are the three leading wagons (so? What if that's who I think is scum?) However, otherwise I had a null read on him. Overall, null-scum.
Primate - another one I forgot. Then again this guy has had what, 3 posts? Although I probably should have paid attention, because he also disregards my SV theory as "just wrong". If there are this many people saying it, its probably right. Although, how can anybody play with somebody who thinks they have caught scum like 5 pages in?
Revenus - somebody I believe to be scum. Rev seems to purposefully goad Beck because he knows it will distract town. Furthermore, the case by IAAUN raises good points and I already mentioned his inconsistencies. And why would anybody want a modkill? Unless they were scum because that equates to a mislynch anyway. Beck is town. Rev on the other hand is scum. And where the heck did the sword of omens lynch come from? Easy mislynch on a lurkers scum?
ScreamingHawk - hmmm, interesting. His first comment was to jump into the DavidParker lynch. And then he realised that there was probably something wrong with that and decides to hold it up. Stinks of cautious scum to me. Furthermore, he jumps onto the Beck lynch when it was in vogue, and does it again just recently on sword of omens. Kinda like a slightly more active funkybike. He just jumped up to the top of my scumlist.
SV - look I don't know this guy, so this is probably why I have this read of him. SV just reels of cocky scum trying to play everything down to me. Yet, the general consensus is that he just plays like that so there goes my scumread. I'll leave him at null-scum.
Sky - when I read his ISO, I didn't understand why ThAd thinks he is scum. I still don't. However, he still doesn't seem townish to me either so yeah. The lurkers vote on sword doesn't really help. Null.
Slandaar - another of ThAd's reads that I don't understand. Slandaar sounds town to me, and he makes valid points. Especially about the SV lynch. Town imo.
Soda - god, another slot I forgot was there. I'm inclined to say null because there is nothing I can really say, but I get this weird feeling. Null-scum.
Sorgster - I made a mistake about sorgster at one point and I realised that he seems pretty town so far. However, his case against Zel1nk is pretty weird and I don't like how he says that Beck is a possible lynch because he is town imo.
Sword - while he has been lurking hard the posts he has made make him seem town to me. But I think he is being replaced right? Null-town.
ThAd - while I disagree with some of ThAd's reads he still posts a lot of content-filled posts that lend him a townish light to me. Although if he keeps pushing it may come off as overly forced or a constructed unnatural case on somebody. Kinda town atm.
Thamateur - I don't understand why he reads rev as town. Otherwise, I like his posts and his ISO reads town to me.
Zdenek - I don't like how he started the game, he read pretty scummy to begin with. However funnily enough after that l, he seems to have disappeared, aside from his vote on pops. However I find pops slightly scummy so this isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Zel1nk - I found him saying I'm obvtown kinda weird because you having to say it means it isn't true. However, he did tell me to make this post so I can't really see any scum motivation to get more people involved. So null-town for me.
UNVOTE: VOTE: ScreamingHawk
For the reasons above.
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Post #1130 (isolation #30) » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:22 am
Postby vijay2vasandani »
Beck and Slandaar, what do you think about Screaming? Honestly, so many people say SV plays like an arrogant cockhead regardless of alignment, so I don't know if you will get enough support for that lynch.
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Post #1199 (isolation #34) » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:49 am
Postby vijay2vasandani »
In post 1190, funkybike1 wrote:Quick question, vijay: If you say I'm obvscum, then why aren't you pushing for a lynch?
Um because in a game like this, it takes 12 people to lynch, so if a large number of players say lynching you is a bad lynch there is no way I can garner enough support for it.
This is a really weird exchange. Town's entire goal should be to find scum, so why did you need Zelink to tell you to scumhunt? To me, this clearly shows scum intent-- doing what he needs to do to stay alive rather than truly looking for the scum.
In post 1130, vijay2vasandani wrote:Beck and Slandaar, what do you think about Screaming? Honestly, so many people say SV plays like an arrogant cockhead
regardless of alignment
, so I don't know if you will get enough support for that lynch.
bolded the important part
If he does it as scum too, it means he is impossible to read. So he is scum or we teach him a lesson.
No...the arrogance may be a nulltell, but there are other ways to read him.
The reason why was because I had already provided ny scumreads, as well as the justification for my SV vote. Yet people still seemed to be considering me scummy. I was wondering what I could do. Which is why I quoted those posts to Zel1nk after that comment. He then disregards them and says I should make reads on every player in the game. I like how you took that out of context and made it look like I hadn't done any scumhunting whatsoever before that bvoight. Now I wonder why you would want to do that?
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Post #1515 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:22 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
Rev I was trying to read an ISO again because I dislike sheeping and I wanted something to add to the case on you. But since you seem so excited, VOTE: Revenus
I'm not afraid of suspicion. Pile it all on me if you want. Oh and your defense is great. I made a case on you(not as extensive and up to date as these) in my large post. I've called you as one of my scumreads but I believed an SV or SH lynch was more viable. Guess I was wrong.
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Post #1566 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:27 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
There isn't much happening in this game, Right? Am I right in saying there are 6 days to the deadline? Coz I don't want a no-lynch, K? Especially because we have several possible lynch targets. Random number generator gave me ThAd as a Target so imma ISO him.
In post 674, vijay2vasandani wrote:Sorgster, you seem to keep jumping on every available wagon. However, I have to agree that SV is an idiot. For fucks sake, you can't get it right this early. If you do, its a guess. You are bluffing.
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint
YES, I'VE GOT SCUM. I'M JUST THAT GOOD!
Stop being cocky as fuck. Please.
This seems like you are trying to have your cake and eat it to. You are saying it is scummy for someone else to jump on a wagon, then you jump on it yourself. Furthermore it doesn't seem like you are voting SV because you think he is scum, but because he is cocky?
- He responds genuinely to what I believe was a joke by Slandaar that lynching SV would be good regardless of his alignment:
In post 1035, vijay2vasandani wrote:Actually, I agree with Slandaar's assessment of the SV situation. If he is scum, which I think he is, then we can all celebrate, if not, we have brilliant town reads that we can all rely on.
- He only starts producing proper content, and even posts a list of reads in 1120, after he starts getting heat in the game for the first time. My collected thoughts about it are in this post:
Vijay provided reads, he's trying and looks sorta town for it.
I think you mean: "Vijay provided reads, he's trying to look sorta town for it".
In post 1253, popsofctown wrote:You were right the first time. vijay's defenses are all sounding like "I'm scum, but you have no way of knowing that."
Trying to play the game if and only if your neck is on the line is the definition of scummy. Unless you make pretty genuine "read my will after I die" cases.
I like this.
- Other small things such as the one pointed out by Revenus (note post 1490 was by pine detailing why Revenus scumslipped):
"hey I agree that Rev is scum but here's a vote on SCREAMINGHAWK, look at me avoid suspicion if rev flips town"
First point: I have already responded to this after a query from you. Originally, I called sorgster out for jumping on any wagon without any consideration. However, I realised I had made a mistake and retracted my accusation. Furthermore, I placed my vote on SV because I believed he was bluffing. I had no idea that that is how he plays, and I believed it was an attempt to lead town and cause mislynches.
Second point: I did not think Slandaar was joking. I still don't think so. I still want to lynch SV because I don't see him as helping us whatsoever. Like Slandaar says, if he's scum yay, if not, at least we don't have to deal with his trolling and we can use his reads without having to wonder if he is messing with our heads.
Third point: there is nothing I can really respond with. I am guilty of not putting much effort into this game up until those reads.
Fourth point: I don't like voting unless I have something to add or if I get annoyed. ScreaminHawk seemed scummier to me at the moment though, and if you really think about it, what holds more weight? My own reads that I got from analysing an ISO or somebody else's argument?
The reason why was because I had already provided ny scumreads, as well as the justification for my SV vote. Yet people still seemed to be considering me scummy. I was wondering what I could do. Which is why I quoted those posts to Zel1nk after that comment. He then disregards them and says I should make reads on every player in the game. I like how you took that out of context and made it look like I hadn't done any scumhunting whatsoever before that bvoight. Now I wonder why you would want to do that?
The way you said "Sorry Zelink. Shall oblige you", to me at least, shows that you saw his point, and you truly weren't scumhunting to the best of your ability. Didn't Zelink also misrep you and say that you weren't scumhunting when you'd already given reads? Why are you treating his misrep different from mine?
Sorry must have missed it. Anyway, the reason is because while Zel1nk may have misrepped me, I didn't see any scum motivation in getting me to post a ton of reads. On the other hand, you doing it is not offset with anything like his actions to get me to give more reads. However, I didn't really hold that against you, it was more of a joke because I have admitted that me not scumhunting to the best of my ability is a fair description of my terrible play.
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Post #1690 (isolation #52) » Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:21 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
In post 1682, Beck wrote:Vijay, you said you don't want to vote unless you are adding something or you get annoyed (the 2nd is a weak reason btw) but what are you adding with these votes?
In post 674, vijay2vasandani wrote:Sorgster, you seem to keep jumping on every available wagon. However, I have to agree that SV is an idiot. For fucks sake, you can't get it right this early. If you do, its a guess. You are bluffing.
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint
YES, I'VE GOT SCUM. I'M JUST THAT GOOD!
Stop being cocky as fuck. Please.
In post 1135, vijay2vasandani wrote:Funnily enough, Slandaar you said something similar to Beck earlier on I think. In that case, I'm going to go back to: UNVOTE: VOTE: Shattered Vision
P.S. I typed this using voice recognition. WOOT WOOT!
However anybody notice ScreamingHawk? He jumped onto another bandwagon,(mine this time), and sheeped somebody else.
VOTE: ScreamingHawk
Um in case you didn't realise, SV just annoys the crap out of me. On the other hand, I made a case on ScreamingHawk in my large post and when he jumped onto another bandwagon, I voted for him. I don't remember anybody else talking about SH in this game.
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Post #1692 (isolation #53) » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:47 pm
Postby vijay2vasandani »
woop, more votes on my wagon. let's go, i need more pressure. Just wondering SV, my defense meant nothing to you and your awesome scumhunting skills? Funnily enough, I wasnt one of those four you picked to be scum in your mega-awesome post. Hmm, is your scumhunting getting a bit rusty.