NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!
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Because you are.
OK. Thread so far is an enormouse bundle of nullness. Zdenek's policy lynch and then retracting of said policy lynch means nothing and isn't an alignment tell. I don't like (or agree with) what he said about pops but that's a different matter, and I can somewhat understand his thinking there - it's not necessarily scummy. Beck's arguing about shit that doesn't even matter and it's distracting but not an alignment tell.
Let's start here.
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VOTE: Hiraki
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pine wrote:This is the only reasonably convincing post I've seen against zdenek. Thank you, sorgster.
Um, sorgster's case isn't "reasonably convincing" at all...
Are you saying you don't think that Zdenek would suggest a PL as town (possibly as a way of gauging reactions, possibly for some other reason) and then back off from it after he'd seen some of the reactions to it, making it clear that he was never serious in the first place?
Because I can.
It doesn't necessarily mean he is town and did do this as town, but it's not a "reasonably convincing" case for him being scum...
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I'm paying attention. It doesn't change what I said. You're interpreting it a particular way. I didn't see anything "wishy-washy" about the way he "defended" it or the way he "deflected" attention (I disagree with who he suspects, but I can understand his thought process here).
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VOTE: vijay
Putting my vote here while I read. At p25 now.
I'm sort of just writing down what I think of people's alignment without taking any notes. If there's something major that happens between p25 and now that someone wants my opinion on, tell me now.
beck town
revenus town
slandaar town (?)
sorgster town
pine town
screaming hawk scum (?)
hiraki ? (? ? ?)
iaaun ? (? ? ?)
theam scum (?)
zdenek town (?)
pops ? (? ? ?)
sky ? (? ? ?)
soda scum (?)
thad town (?)
bv town (?)
shattered town (?)
vijay scum
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In post 480, Pine wrote:In post 440, Revenus wrote:btw i'm going to nightvig you beck
You don't announce that. Doc on Revenus, please.
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In post 480, Pine wrote:In post 440, Revenus wrote:btw i'm going to nightvig you beck
You don't announce that. Doc on Revenus, please.
I'm up to p36, I have to stop here and continue this later.
I've found that skipping every post by Beck and Revenus halves the amount of posts I have to read and doesn't change anything. #efficient-scummer
Not much has changed in my reads. Slandaar I feel a little worse about, haven't liked his attack on Thad. bv I feel a little better about, comments to and about funky look townish. No one else has changed.-
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Well, apart from the fact tat your list is likely to be entirely town, That post was over a day ago. You complained you have nothing to do. Why not start with... oh, I don't know... your reads on the rest of the players in the game? There's only like... 18 people you're not talking about in that post. You'll come up with something.-
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I fuckng swear if we take every player in this game whose alias begins with "S" and lynch them, we'll nail most of the scum team.
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VOTE: SodaSpirit
So anyway, vijay's giant wall and recent posts actually make me think he's town.
Getting a little tired of slandaar v thad and I'm probably going to skim or completely skip their posts until I think I want to lynch one of them.
I also think NS reads are good... In that, if you take his reads and go in the complete opposite direction, you're very likely to find scum. That said, NS, give me your 3 top town reads. I want them lynched D1/D2/D3.
I'd mention Beck but he's an attention whore and ignoring him for the rest of the game seems like a good option.
Does anyone think sodaspirit is anything other than scum? Tell me now so I can line up lynches.-
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pops wrote:You were right the first time. vijay's defenses are all sounding like "I'm scum, but you have no way of knowing that."
You're right, that's partially why I was fine with my vote on him when he was like "lol what's teh case on me? i have nothing to dooooooooooo" but his posts after that made me feel better about him. Maybe I'm just a sucker for someone that looks like they're trying and isn't taking part in back-and-forth derpfests.
At the very least, I don't think it's worth pursuing him atm over other players like soda.
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In other news, screaminghawk proving he's town yet again in every post since #1272.
skipping sorg's posts now. I have a bigger "don't read their posts" list than I usually do in this game.
thad wrote:He's voting vijay so he's ok by me. Why have people started focussing on him? Is he the "in" lurker, the "cool" lurker to vote for now?
No. I'm voting him because I had a change of heart about vijay and soda's vote on vijay made me realise I don't even know who the fuck he is. So I ISOd him and saw nothing I liked. It's not that he's lurking, it's that he's active lurking.
Just between you and me, don't tell anyone else, I'm really just vote-hopping to see what sticks. Idothink there's a decent chance he's scum, but I'm more doing it to see what others think about him. That said, what do you think about Soda?-
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pops wrote:why do you continue to
pull attention from vijay
Ever since his pressure relieved he has been active lurking.
Hey.
I've got popcorn. If you wanna hound him, I'm all eyes. Go ahead.
I see what you're saying about the active lurking, I just don't think that makes him scum.
Do you think Soda is town?
@Thad,
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pine wrote:lol opportunism and cognitive dissonance. I've gotta hand it to you, Rev, in the last couple of days of silence, I was drifting back towards my early Town read on you, chalking your bad reactions and such up to a reactionary personality (I have a small amount of that myself - see my early arguments with Beck.) But you've had days to cool off, and are still making slips.
What slips? You accidentally just called Beck Town with your attempts to cover up the "we're not going to kill you" slip.
This is terrible.
I know I've done shit like this before as town, when someone amazingly scummy says "lol I'm going to be NKed" and I've replied with something like "scum isn't going to NK you".
pine wrote:Add rolefishing into the evidence.
This is even worse, because it was clearly sarcasm...
Jesus fucking christ, my town read on you evaporated in a single post. That's quite an achievement.
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It saddens me that ta, one of the scummiest players in the game, is one of the only people not taking the opportunity to attack Rev for this.-
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Pine wrote:You're not seeing the scumslip, Zel1nk.
Oh, I knew exactly what you were referring to, and I know I've said similar stuff as town, so I know it isn't a scum slip. It's a frame-of-mind-slip and doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of Revenus's alignment.
If you've ever talked to one of your major suspects and considered the hypothetical that they're actually town, then you've probably made a similar "slip" in a past game.
An example? Have you ever told a scum suspect that they're "wrong" or something along the lines of "lynching me is bad" or whatever? Or seen town do this?
This happens when you forget to add the clause "In the hypothetical universe in which you are town..." before every sentence because it's assumed the person you're talking to understands what you mean without saying it.
It's not a scum slip.
sorgster wrote:So you know he's town? Another scumslip I believe.
I hope you're happy, DarthYoshi. Because I can't insult people in this game anymore, there is now broken glass all over my room from the shit I threw against the wall reading this Fu- this very nice and not-completely-stupid individual's post.
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Does anyone know if there's like a feature where I could block a hypothetical poster (let's call him "Forgstar") so that I never have to read their incredibly stupid posts and don't develop suicidal urges because of lost faith in humanity?
I mean no offense to any real person/s, this is just a hypothetical question I'm asking out of the blue with no relation to any player in this game. Don't modkill me.-
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This wagon that developed earlier in the game is poison:
funkybike1 (6): bvoigt, theamatuer, Slandaar, Sky, SodaSpirit17, vijay2vasandani
Any name on that list of players voting for funky (minus maybe bv, I like him, sorta) is a good vote. Even vijay, who's doing everything he can to nullify and reverse my recently formed town read on him.-
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thad wrote:Can you explain why you have a strong scum read on [sodaspirit]?
It's not astrongread. His ISO is just scummy.
He does very little in the way of giving reads. He just hops onto popular wagons and goes back to lurking. The only thing that makes me hesitant to outright call him scum is that he just doesn't have enough posts to make a proper judgment and I canmaybesee it from the perspective he's town.
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beck wrote:Btw if pine is actually scum, I'm gonna be really pissed I was right and told I was stupid.
Hey, regardess of whether or not you're right, fact still stands.
Anyway, let's lynch ScreamingHawk.
That's a good lynch.
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VOTE: ScreamingHawk
Do I need to explain this?
Also willing to lynch the first person that says we can't lynch him because it's close to the deadline because there's 3.5 days (I think?) and he's a way better lynch than Slandaar.-
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How is it still D1 at 80 pages?
Oh, right...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fEjJ4Ecy9Q
Let's not lynch Revenus or Slandaar. Any other viable lynch is fine, really.
See that thing hiding over there in the corner whimpering? That's D1. It wants to be put out of its misery.-
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I have a plan for today. This plan involves two things.
The first thing it involves is lynching someone. The second thing it involves is that someone being scum. As such, we are not lynching Revenus or Pine today.
VOTE: ScreamingHawk
A good place to start.
pops, sky, and others I can't remember off the top of my head without rereading would also be good places to put your vote.-
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I spoiler walled a big catchup post coz I've missed 10 pages and feel kind of guilty.
Spoiler: p84
Spoiler: p85
Spoiler: p86
Spoiler: p87
not commenting on p88. nothing noteworthy on this page except that Pine v Beck is just as boring as it was a couple thousand posts ago. pops' side commentary is funny.
Spoiler: p89
Spoiler: p90
Spoiler: p91
Spoiler: p92
Spoiler: p93
Anyway, I don't particularly expect people to read through that, but it's there. There's questions and stuff spread throughout, but I'm not going to ardently pursue the answers.
As for reads;
Town List:
thad
velz
maxous
SV
vijay (weak read on this one)
zde
rev
funky
beck
Scum List:
pops
theam
Pine List:
Pine
The Rest:
meh
pops wagon sounds good.
VOTE: popsLast edited by chkflip on Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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In post 2316, popsofctown wrote:ZeL1Nk wrote:pops wrote:sorgster is pretty scummy. it's a combination of gut and him seeming to take an unnatural view of every situation, it reads like newbscum.
He's not scummy, just the hugest fucking [edited out on threat of modkill] but (unforunately) is probably town.
Elaborate.
One was based on my read, one was based on half-assed VCA I did in my head while going through D1 votecounts. He frequently appears on wagons with lots of my town reads voting a town read. Thus he makes sense as scum. My read on him is that he's a [insert word that will get me modkilled] and far too scummy to be scum, as much of a fallacy as that supposedly is.
sorg wrote:Couldn't revenus and beck be bussing each other on the same scumteam?
You are so insightful. Share more of your wisdom, please.
At the bottom of p94. Why aren't people lynching theam?
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VOTE: theamatuer
He claims scum in every.. fucking.. post..
And people are ignoring it for some reason.
@pops,
p95 is another example of why sorgster makes sense as scum. The 4th of a chain of votes on Revenus, who is most likely town, right after voting Pine because Pine called Beck conftown...
I hate players like him. They're impossible to read because they're so bad as town that they look like scum.
ftr, i'd be totally cool with lynching him. It's afarbetter lynch than Rev, at the very least, and it'svery, very, verypro-town, regardless of his flip.
also the fact that I can't tell whether he's dumb-town who's convinced there's 2 scumteams or scum who knows there's 2 scumteams is disconcerting.
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briefly skimmed you saying you were going to do something with my wall. forget or cbf or is it coming?
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pine wrote:"...bus someone like me" sounds like a scum PR, now that I look at it again.
it actually sounds like some guy who's arrogant...
rev wrote:and theam is very scummy and is an acceptable lynch as well.
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{vijay2vasandani, Velzanath, sorgster, Shattered Viewpoint, funkybike1, iamausername}
There's 2 or 3 scum in this part of the Rev wagon.
I'm going to go over sorg's ISO when I'm drunk or high or something and see if I can get through it without killing myself.
And then if I'm still alive, I'll decide whether he's worth pursuing today.
Something in the next 12 hours.
theam wrote:Now are people going to lynch funky or what?
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sorg wrote:@Zelink, I switch votes a lot in every game I play(Look at any game I've played in). I don't care if people think it's scummy. Applying pressure is good.
You're not "applying pressure," you're playing like a VI (and I'm giving you a lot more credit than I should when I say "playing like").
The vote switching isn't even the issue, it's thereasons. That, and the fact that almost every wagon you've been on thus far, you've been on a town read of mine on a wagon with other town reads of mine. Almost too much of a coincidence.
sorg wrote:ThAD, you've never stated why you think rev is town.
That's funny. You never stated why you think he's scum.
Granted, you may have had some theory about bussing and you may have mentioned something about Revenus 50 odd pages ago halfway through D1, but that doesn't explain why you're currently voting him.
Why is Revenus scum?
sorg wrote:If revenus is scum, then ThAd is definitely his partner
Why?
thad wrote:I've decided I'm willing to settle for a theamateur lynch if needs be.
*shrug*
I'm cool with a sorg lynch, too. His posts get worse and worse and I have very little tolerance left.-
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According to the flavour, there are two scumteams, named "Mean Guys Mafia" and "Rolling Heights Gang".
sorgster's post here is pretty obviously an indicator of town ignorance, not any kind of scumclaim, what are you talking about. Come on.
Let's not lynch sorgster.
Um, no.
It's actually really, really likely that itwasa scum slip from sorgster, because he specifically suggested the possibility that Revenus is a werewolf and he's convinced there's two scum teams (even though two nks doesn't mean shit n1 with no scum flips) for some unknown reason and has been basing all his scum lists off this assumption.
Put two and two together, it's something he'd thinkas mafiawho doesn't know what the other scum team is (he thinks it's "werewolves").
What do you think of sorg's play independent of this?
You should do something useful.
fb wrote:I agree, we should lynch someone who's actually scummy.
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user wrote:I don't understand the scumslip here.
Why would scum have any more reason to assume that two kills = two scumteams than town?
You're confusing something here...
The following is all from the perspective he's scum in a 2-scum team game...
Sorg-scum is mafia. His team is most likely him + 2 others (given what he's done with speculating on team scum teams so far). Heknowsthere's another scum team because his team is too small for it to be a single scum team in a 22-player large theme game.
So he sees the two nks, sees Pine speculating about 2 scum teams, and decides, "hey, others are speculating on it, I will fit in and no one will suspect me!"
He's a bit of a [series of words that will get me modkilled] and thinks that since he's mafia, the other scum team must be werewolves.
Basically, everything he's done today (from his scum teams speculation to the werewolf thing) make sense from the perspective he's scum. The two nks has nothing to do with this.
That said, I could also see it making sense from the perspective he's really, really, really, really, reallllllllllllllly bad at this game... and it is sorgster... so I'm not going to suggest hemustbe scum because of it.-
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