NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Beck]

I'll respond to this when I get to a pc

[Beck]

Welcome to arguing with Beck Slandaar. The more you prove him wrong, the more he's going to call you scum.

Funny, you never proved me wrong, you just insulted me.

Plus he doesn't prove me wrong either, difference of opinion =/= proof.

I see things one way, he disagrees.

[Beck]

Hiraki, when are you going to share some awesome reads

P.edit - SV your entire iso is p. Useless so be quiet pot

[Beck]

SV you never did give me your read of me...

Anyway, there is no case on me, simply put. The vijay case is a bit of a mystery too.

There are reasons for votes on you, so are you lying now?

[Beck]

1. I guess I mistook not wanting him lynched as being a town read

Now, try and guess why I dont want him lynched?

I don't really want to guess why you don't want to lynch him, how about you just tell me

2. Yesrly

I take this as a confession of being scum, i showed you an example from 1 page ago to dismiss your ridiculous argument and you still dont see it?

so page 64 is probably the first or 2nd time

i remember

you calling somebody scum, what you tend to do is point to something and call it scummy, but I don't really see any explanation to why it is scummy.

3. Keeping the flow going is null cause both can do it, but for you I'm not really finding much good info coming from you so it's slightly scummy

Wait a second here, isnt pro town = town? isnt that why ThAd is some super strong town read of yours? isnt he 'scum hunting' on a wagon? thats the only reason you have hes town.

So do explain the double standards.

what TheAd is doing is totally different from what you are doing, he uses a wagon and tries to find scum, you think that is wrong way of doing it, but I suggested it first and don't call me out for it, yet he is scum for it? The whole 3-4-5 thing is such a minute thing to get hung up on, sadly I have seen people outside of newbie games rely on that 3-4-5 thing before, if anything it speaks to his experience level more than it does is scummy level.

4. Theam says you are null in that post, not scum. For that you say he may not be scum which to me implies your read changes based on his opinion of you.

This is not what you said, funny enough this is another example for point #2 anyways, I found his read to be well reasoned and so it improved my read of him, oh super scummy i know. Just because I dont give the reason doesn't mean its not there.

This is what TheAm originally says

"On the other hand, I don't like Slandaar's play for some reason, and I especially dont like how Username refuses to give a reason on why he says slaandar is town.
I'd like anybody who thinks Slandaar is town to please post their reasoning."

I take this to imply he doesn't think you as town, and imo not town usually means scum or scummy. I guess it could mean null though. But after that you never post that you think he is scum, the only time that you imply you think he is scum is WAY BACK on post 77. So since you never indicate you think he is scum, why did you feel the need to say this after he calls you null

You might be town after all.

It came right after he said he doesn't think you are scum, which like I said means to me, your read on him (which you hadn't given an updated one of him) seemed to change when you THOUGHT he was calling you scum, when he clarified he didn't, you make a point to say you think he may be town. It just comes at a weird time and really didn't need to be said imo, seemed weird to me.

5. He didn't say it, but he did imply it, which is essentially the same thing.

Huh? chain of events:

i say theama is scum

, he says something about my style, i ask him if it makes me scum, he says null.

Nowhere did he imply it, show me where, or stop making stuff up.

I don't think the bolded part is true, because I can't seem to find where you said that, i looked around that time frame and even scanned your iso so unless I missed it, I don't think you called him scum.

this is where he implies he thinks you are scum or scummy because if someone is asking for somebody to explain why they think you are town, it usually means they don't think you are.

"On the other hand, I don't like Slandaar's play for some reason, and I especially dont like how Username refuses to give a reason on why he says slaandar is town.
I'd like anybody who thinks Slandaar is town to please post their reasoning."

I've explained why I think you are scum already.

You are scum, you have to be, you make too much up, no townie needs to do that.[/quote]

I haven't made up anything and I am not scum. I can support anything I say with examples, which means it can be proven thus isn't made up.

can you say the same thing? Let's prove it

you say you call him scum and than he questions your playstyle, where is that post where you call him scum, because I don't seem to find it in your iso. It may be there, but I couldn't find it, so please point me to it.

[Beck]

SV you never did give me your read of me...

I would like to know;

@SV: What is your read of me?

I honestly haven't paid any attention to you; I've been busy trolling rev and Beck. It raises my suspicions, though, that you are interested in my read on you. Now I shall have to go look.

OMG Slandaar's iso is 160 posts. Cannot possibly read now.


In other news: I've had a horrifically huge project dumped on me that's due next Tuesday. I shall be slightly less available until then.

since you aren't up to the time commitment this game requires, I'd strongly suggest you just replace out. You clearly can't find the time to make a case on anyone.

[Beck]

Slandaar is so unbelievably scummy why can't we get support for this lynch.

so why no vote? how come you have not been drumming up support before? whats this to do with gaining support you have not been trying?

heres whats happening obvtown beck gets sheeped by the scum and pops is one of those.

vote Sodaspirit

Looks like that's where we're headed.

Why vote soda? cos its the easy vote today hm? im super scummy but you are voting soda huh, seems good.

Hirakis point was good too...

UNVOTE: ThAdmiral
VOTE: popsofctown

And this is where my vote will stay

so wait a minute, you said TheAd was scum.

I don't think hiraki has made a good point the entire game so what point are you referring to?

[Beck]

I'm ignoring Beck.

Trust me guys.

This is really pro-town.

ThA is town. Stop questioning me.

Not getting the funkybike wagon. He's a newbie and he's null. Nothing scummy.

Iamusername: Why are you voting Parker?

@Mod: Does Zdenek have a double vote or not?

Hiraki, were you referring to the amateur or the admiral in this one?

[Beck]

1651 is awesome, more votes on sal

[Beck]

You know what's fascinating about 1499? He agrees that my case on Revenus is compelling, yet suddenly votes ScreamingHawk. Perhaps scum hedging their bets by talking smack about their buddy, but not advancing the wagon?

I did huh? I do not remember this... good luck explaining.

1499 was vijay, not you

[Beck]

anyways i might not be around much this weekend basically

SV or Pine is scum, probably pine.
ThAd scum
Pops scum
Soda probably scum
Funky maybe scum
Mastin meh maybe scum too

Vijay ehhh townish
Sorg not sure

Bv town
Sky town
Username/Faraday town
Beck town
TheAma town
Zel town
Zde seems town
Hiraki seems townish now
rev town I cant decide on if its slip or not but before that he was town

If I forgot you, well sorry but you are near the null category.

you just accused me of admitting I was scum, so why am I town read?

[Beck]

I don't think it showed paranoia, I actually thought you were talking about him also

[Beck]

Vijay, you said you don't want to vote unless you are adding something or you get annoyed (the 2nd is a weak reason btw) but what are you adding with these votes?

Sorgster, you seem to keep jumping on every available wagon. However, I have to agree that SV is an idiot. For fucks sake, you can't get it right this early. If you do, its a guess. You are bluffing.

VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

YES, I'VE GOT SCUM. I'M JUST THAT GOOD!
Stop being cocky as fuck. Please.

Funnily enough, Slandaar you said something similar to Beck earlier on I think. In that case, I'm going to go back to:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shattered Vision

P.S. I typed this using voice recognition. WOOT WOOT!

Hmm I don't know, 1490 made sense to me.

However anybody notice ScreamingHawk? He jumped onto another bandwagon,(mine this time), and sheeped somebody else.

VOTE: ScreamingHawk

[Beck]

According to the op he replaced David Parker

[Beck]

you just accused me of admitting I was scum, so why am I town read?

I don't actually think you are scum for the record, but you have not presented a case, you repeated yourself like twice in this huge post for some reason and yes, some of this is made up, i mean of everyone in the game, how many people have posted more solid reads than me? name them, good luck.

Not reading my posts huh? interesting.

I've explained why I think you are scum, so are you not reading my posts? Oh but wait, you have already asked questions/defended yourself from my case on you so...

What does posting solid reads have to do with anything? You know who can post solid reads? Scum because they already know who is town and scum and can have the most solid reads. I don't have super solid reads cause I don't know who scum or town is.

[Beck]

since you aren't up to the time commitment this game requires, I'd strongly suggest you just replace out. You clearly can't find the time to make a case on anyone.

Don't tell me how to play, thanks.


ThAd, thank you for a good argument.

unvote

Vote: vijay

1. Somebody needs to learn you how to play
2. TheAd points slandaar scum and you vote vijay? Interesting...

[Beck]

ThAd also posted a case on me Beck. Four or five after Slandaar.

Must have missed that

[Beck]

What does posting solid reads have to do with anything?

The problem with you slandaar is your play while seeming pro-town has no bite behind it, you just keep calling people scummy, you hardly ever take a solid stance on saying somebody is town or scum

Cognitive Dissonance.

So, there you have it, if you really think it is a scum tell, heres your scum.

I never said you had solid reads, you did. I asked what does that have to do with anything. I actually don't see solid reads from you, if you would care to point to where you claim you have given some.

[Beck]

I've explained why I think you are scum, so are you not reading my posts? Oh but wait, you have already asked questions/defended yourself from my case on you so...

I did didn't I?

Do you still think anything you said makes me scum?

Yes

[Beck]

I didn't call you scum for not having solid reads
I said scum can posts solid reads, it's harder for town to, but it isn't impossible.
Yes I think you are scum.

[Beck]

If they haven't done anything scummy, than saying you are fine with them lynched is a contradiction because you shouldn't be wanting to lynch somebody not doing anything scummy.

You said he was delusional, what was SV delusional about anyway?

[Beck]

Here is the difference. I actually think SV has done scummy things, I also think he could be town, I still want him lynched cause I'm not 100% on my read of him and it's partly policy lynch.

That's not a contradiction cause I admit he has been scummy, to want someone lynched for not doing anything scummy is bad bad bad.

[Beck]

Post 926 is where you say SV isn't a bad lynch.

[Beck]

No it's more like

1. SV hasn't done anything scummy
2. SV isn't a bad lynch

Lynching somebody who hasn't done anything scummy is BAD

[Beck]

And actually why I disagree with your push on TheAd. TheAd hasn't done anything scummy yet you want him lynched.

[Beck]

Never did I try to get SV lynched or say I wanted him lynched

ORLY?

Im thinking we should lynch SV even though ThAd is scummiest player by a long shot.

[Beck]

Here is the whole post, this doesnt look like you are joking you seem to think he will flip scum based on the bolded part

Im thinking we should lynch SV even though ThAd is scummiest player by a long shot.

if he flips scum which there is a fairly decent chance too then

alls good we can celebrate etc.

however, if he flips town, we have some super solid scum reads right? we are guaranted 3/4 scum from his reads which we can now trust... so this seems to benefit us also... I see no reason not to lynch him in fact

unless, his reads are not as good as he claims...

what do you think SV?

So now what do you have for me, mr. Caught scum?

[Beck]

the fact you think funkys claim was a joke but you cant distinguish my joke post from serious, i do wonder, you might actually be scum (honest this time)

A person claiming day 1 like that, is almost always a joke.

Your post obviously wasn't a joke. If it was maybe add a smiley next time

[Beck]

Almost everyone finds funky's claim a joke, your posts looks real and there is no indication to imply it was a joke.

[Beck]

I love when people attack me saying I make no sense, that's how I know I caught scum or really bad players.

If my arguments make no sense fucking explain why when I made them and not 3 days later.

[Beck]

Slandaar, you can't cherry pick posts and claim they were joke posts btw

[Beck]

No you haven't shown me or anyone else why you are wrong. Plus like I said you can't cherry pick posts and later claim they were joking. How does that post look like a joke? It doesn't to me and I don't see anyone else saying they thought you were kidding either

P. Edit, what are you talking about when replying to my post 1754?

[Beck]

Whenever anyone dies and flips town, I take their reads seriously.

[Beck]

SV is a decent vote, the funky and rev wagons are bad though.

Im thinking we should lynch SV even though ThAd is scummiest player by a long shot.

(This is the post he claims was a joke)

I prefer SV over Hawk, SV wagon has good townie voters on it not one scummy player has jumped on which kind of indicates SV is scum.

SV looks like scum to me after checking those games

So, I do not see where you came to NS town meta = SV town.

I think it means you are scum

of course it could just be that SV and NS styles are the same and SV is scum here...

Pretty sure one if not both of SV and Pine have to be scum.

SV or Pine is scum, probably pine.

i do not and did not find SV town, so hes not a bad lynch

Never did I try to get SV lynched or say I wanted him lynched.

here is the problem I have with Slandaar, he keeps implying he think SV is scum or scummy or says he is an acceptable lynch, notice he does say one of the posts is a joke, however that would mean all of the other posts I quoted are also jokes, which I can't possibly believe.

if SV is so scummy, why has he not voted him at all? or even an FOS or something?

why does he not try to make a case on SV like he does on TheAd?


It is very odd behavior and doesn't seem town motivated.

[Beck]

If soda is being Replaced, he isn't being lynched.

[Beck]

I'm not OK with a Slandaar lynch.

I'm ok with a Velazanth lynch since all he's done since being replaced is justify DP's terrible vote with no additional content of his own.

Why are u against his lynch?

Before you answer, make sure you read the evidence against him and explain why it's wrong.

[Beck]

How is what I asked trolling?

[Beck]

This is seriously what Hiraki did: Take 4 names that people are supsicious of, throw them in a list, and say "maybe i think that maybe one of these guys is maybescum i don't know"

Nobody is suspicious of pine or admiral. If that was true his list would be screaming, vijay, you and slandaar.

[Beck]

What have you done to earn the level of conceit that you have hiraki?

[Beck]

He actually did mention them rev

[Beck]

Rev, smearing somebody? No that doesn't seem like something he would do...

@ pine, if that earlier comment about misrepping people was directed at me, I disagree with that 100%

[Beck]

Rev, smearing somebody? No that doesn't seem like something he would do...

@ pine, if that earlier comment about misrepping people was directed at me, I disagree with that 100%

[Beck]

Stupid lag on my phone

[Beck]

I'm voting slandaar, but yeah your play has been bad. Sorry you can't muster a defense other than adhom attacks.

[Beck]

Rev, those 2 posts are separated by almost 700 posts, people can't change their mind?

[Beck]

You realize you aren't getting lynched today, although you should cause your play is totally anti-town.

We are near deadline and you ignore serious lynch candidates to start a new wagon because the replacement hasn't posted much.

There are far scummier people.

You don't even go into detail why you beleive slandaar, his defense wasn't that good.

P.edit - if you do get lynched, Blame yourself for adhom and failure to defend yourself.

[Beck]

OMGHESUCKS

[Beck]

Are you capable of actually defending yourself?

I've proven I can make non-OMGUS attacks, while you continue to prove my point that you would rather Lurker hunt than scum hunt.

[Beck]

What's the point of this poll?

[Beck]

Ok, I've seen this suggested once before, interesting enough we lynched scum, what's more interesting was it was his scum buddy who suggested it. lol

[Beck]

Slandaar
Rev
Vijay/hiraki

[Beck]

Anyway, I lost interest in how this day turns out a long time ago. I just want it to end in a flip ASAP.

+1

[Beck]

if SV is so scummy, why has he not voted him at all? or even an FOS or something?

This is the problem huh? why didn't you take issue with pops for doing the same thing?

Becks scum, its ridiculous, he wont get lynched but he is.

Pops/Beck/ThAd/Pine

they are the only good lynches today.

Nice deflection. Instead of throwing random names around, why not defend your actions?

Why did I not accuse pops? Maybe because I haven't really noticed pops as much as other players. I will re-read his iso to see if he is doing the same thing.

[Beck]

Who is pops saying we should lynch but isn't voting? I want to see if u are telling the truth
2nd question, if pops is doing it, why have you ignored it?

[Beck]

So you're not ok with an sv lynch again?

This again?

there are about 8-9 people who are ok to lynch, that does not make them good lynches.

Who are the 8-9 peoole that are ok to lynch, than indicate which people are good lynches and why

[Beck]

2nd question, if pops is doing it, why have you ignored it?

Becks scum

WHO AM I VOTING???

RIGHT NOW???

Beck = scum, guaranteed.

I don't know who you are voting actually, but you really aren't trying to convince people to follow you to whoever you are voting.

I'm scum cause I have called you out and you dont defend yourself? Really?

[Beck]

Becks posting is riddles with inconsistencies, he pushes me for anything he can and when hes proven wrong just completely changes his view on the post in question but still takes the stance its scummy.

I will show later when I have time.

Where did you prove me wong? You haven't.

[Beck]

than indicate which people are good lynches and why

Im not reading yours anymore, you clearly don't read mine.

Let me rephrase this, im not going to respond to any of your posts, i wont answer questions either. I mean that is absolutely ridiculous, you do not read my posts do you.

I've read your posts and responded to the ones I feel needed my response

[Beck]

Townish post, now explain how your avoidance of actually voting SV, especially when his wagon was growing was townish

SV is a decent vote, the funky and rev wagons are bad though.

Im thinking we should lynch SV even though ThAd is scummiest player by a long shot.

(This is the post he claims was a joke)

I prefer SV over Hawk, SV wagon has good townie voters on it not one scummy player has jumped on which kind of indicates SV is scum.

SV looks like scum to me after checking those games

So, I do not see where you came to NS town meta = SV town.

I think it means you are scum

of course it could just be that SV and NS styles are the same and SV is scum here...

Pretty sure one if not both of SV and Pine have to be scum.

SV or Pine is scum, probably pine.

i do not and did not find SV town, so hes not a bad lynch

Never did I try to get SV lynched or say I wanted him lynched.

here is the problem I have with Slandaar, he keeps implying he think SV is scum or scummy or says he is an acceptable lynch, notice he does say one of the posts is a joke, however that would mean all of the other posts I quoted are also jokes, which I can't possibly believe.

if SV is so scummy, why has he not voted him at all? or even an FOS or something?

why does he not try to make a case on SV like he does on TheAd?


It is very odd behavior and doesn't seem town motivated.

[Beck]

Why do people accuse me of being scum instead of defending themselves?

If I'm wrong, prove me wrong instead of calling me scum. Town players make bad cases too, attack my case.

Zde, pine, rev, and slandaar all ignored my cases on them.

Just Doesn't make sense. I'll gladly be the sacrificial lamb today and get lynched, it won't phase me one bit.

[Beck]

Link me to your defense of the obvious thinking SV is scum but refusal to vote him.

[Beck]

Link me to your defense of the obvious thinking SV is scum but refusal to vote him.

[Beck]

I'll save you the trouble, your response to my wall of quotes where you FOS SV but won't vote him was this one.
Can you tell me how this is a defense?

if SV is so scummy, why has he not voted him at all? or even an FOS or something?

This is the problem huh? why didn't you take issue with pops for doing the same thing?

Becks scum, its ridiculous, he wont get lynched but he is.

Pops/Beck/ThAd/Pine

they are the only good lynches today.

[Beck]

In your "non joke" post you did say this

i do not and did not find SV town, so hes not a bad lynch

Yet you don't vote him?

Not town = scum right?

[Beck]

Gimme about 10 minutes and I'm Gonna school your ass

[Beck]

You have basically focused on zde 80% of the game, aka the definition of tunneling IMO

why don't you ISO ThAd, there be a lot of tunneling in that there ISO too.

This is where I comment about his tunneling, his response is well look TheAd is doing it too. (regardless if tunneling is scummy or not, this isn't defending his actions but instead it is deflection onto somebody else)

he only 'scum hunts' myself and sky.

That is tunneling

This to me implies he thinks tunneling is scummy because why else would he mention it again. but wait...

OK Beck

Show me where theama said he thought I was scum in the first place.

Show me where i said tunneling = scum

Show me these three people ThAd has gone after (I said 2 myself)

Explain why if funky isnt the vig the real vig wouldnt just shoot him?

This is where he claims he never said tunneling is scum so we can't possibly use that aginst him, however if he is accusing somebody else of tunneling, that to me

implies

that he thinks it is scummy.

2. You are implying TheAd tunneling makes him scummy

Not really, you were implying tunneling is scummy, I was just pointing out ThAd did the exact same as sorg pretty much.

he has a fair point here, but he never does address his own tunneling.

@SV: why is me asking you for your read on me suspicious? there is a reason I asked you specifically, yes, but I would like the read before the reason.

I think rev did actually slip there, 1433 is really weird, its not 1432 thats the slip its 33 IMO, I can see a townie saying that as it goes without saying that mafia dont nk one of their own... but 33 makes it seem like he thought he slipped.

What do others think?

1. He definitly things rev slips, he even brings post 33 into the conversation when nobody has even looked back that far, so it is obvious he thinks rev slips, yet NO VOTE and what is more odd HE ASKS OTHERS THEIR OPINION.

If you think he slipped, you should be voting that person and not ask others opinions.

Is there distancing between slandaar and hiraki?

Spoiler:

I do not understand the suspicion towards beck like at all.

Hiraki is fairly likely to be scum imo

lets not be voting pine

ok, amateur seems fairly scummy to me, hiraki too.

funkys last post was pretty scummy as hes just trying to get someone lynched for saying they are obvtown... that is not a reason to lynch someone, its just a copout vote from scum.

UNVOTE: Pine

at least ama and hiraki post some stuff, funky does not post any content at all so hes the best vote of the 3
VOTE: funkybike1

Hiraki posts, but never posts any content except a couple posts early in the game,

hes tunelling

and not giving thoughts on anything else...

maybe hes the best vote im not sure, will stick with funky for now

Notice I underlined tunneling, this would imply that Hiraki is scummy for tunneling imo, but slandaar doesn't think tunneling is scummy, or does he?

Its pointless voting funky today whatever his alignment

UNVOTE: funky

this is who I think is most likely scum :

VOTE: Hiraki

but ThAd is now firmly on my radar after his last post, that post seems really scummy.

OK

ThAd's read on Funky is that he is town and hes very sure of this because for some reason he is assuming funky is town as shown here:

I am working off the assumption that funky is town

yet he says funky has been doing exactly what he expects scum to have been doing as shown in my #739

So, how can this be? how can ThAd assume that someone is town who cannot possibly be a town read for him? bar the claim what has funky done exactly? why is ThAd so sure the claim is legit?

It makes no sense.

So, let us delve deeper to find out about why he is saying funky is town...

I will say I think the wagon on funkybike is a bit too easy. In terms of both target and how easily it is moving along picking up followers.

OK, nitpicking a bit but the wording here is pretty bad 'I will say' townies would just start with I think... its like he was thinking of NOT saying this which again backs the theory funkys town and ThAd knows it, hes saying 'i will say this' in defence of funky which means he didn't really want to defend him. AND of course, for a town read he really didnt do much to stop the wagon this is all he said about it and for such a strong town read too... that is very scummy especially the fact he wasnt going to say it in the first place.

However the main point to use this quote was to show where his town read came from, its not terrible, but its hardly a reason to assume someone is town, again, his super strong funky is town makes absolutely no sense.

Then there is the claim of course, which should not change ones read dramatically.

Well obv sky is my main scum read at the moment. Other than that I have a bunch of town reads, and then there's a lot of other people who I basically can't distinguish because they haven't really done anything.

sky is his main scum read and then we get this;

I think the money place to look for scum on that wagon is the three S's: slaandar, sky and sodaspirit. Combination of gut feeling, my pre-existing suspicion of sky, and the fact that 3, 4, and 5 are the cliche cushy scum positions on any given wagon.

oh look coincidence? no.

OK, it is the same for any given wagon? really? so 3rd vote on scum is more likely scum than the 6th vote? really?

It is just any reason he can think of to try to justify his sky is scum read, anything at all.

My top 2 scum are ThAd and Hiraki, hiraki has posted a lot but no real content at all, its all fluff, like hes trying to appear more active/helpful than he is being.

top 2 town Beck and Zel/Pine (its close cant decide) Becks strongest by a fair bit though.

zde could be scum

ThAd is the scummiest player in this game.

Hiraki is pretty scummy

Shattered is delusional and isnt a bad lynch

Soda/Sky/David are all posting a total of ZERO content and I would be happy lynching either, less so sky based on ThAd being scum but I can be wrong.

Funky is slightly scummy but he has his claim so leave him today see what happens tonight

Pine/Me/Beck/Rev/Zel/Username = Town

theama = likely town

pops I find slightly townish

bv unsure

I forgot a few, I probably have no opinion on them, this is off the top of my head but those I forgot are too under the radar and are not bad lynches either probably.

Beck, I find you both town, why would i vote rev when I think hes town so that tomorrow I can vote you off who I think is also town? it makes 0 sense.

Sky seems townish

SV is more a PL than anything the way I see it,

Hiraki is a better vote by a long shot

and ThAd better still.

anyways i might not be around much this weekend basically

SV or Pine is scum, probably pine.
ThAd scum
Pops scum
Soda probably scum
Funky maybe scum
Mastin meh maybe scum too

Vijay ehhh townish
Sorg not sure

Bv town
Sky town
Username/Faraday town
Beck town
TheAma town
Zel town
Zde seems town

Hiraki seems townish now

rev town I cant decide on if its slip or not but before that he was town

If I forgot you, well sorry but you are near the null category.

The transition on beck once Beck turns his sights on Slandaar.

Spoiler:

IM OBV TOWN

This is my read on beck

I do not understand the suspicion towards beck like at all.

Hiraki is fairly likely to be scum imo

also, beck seems to get a lot of heat for how he plays

fwiw i have no problem with it so far and see no reason for the hate.

Notice the underlined and keep that in mind that slandaar is now giving me heat for the same play I have played all game.

@rev: it does not matter how good or bad his methods are

im not down with a beck lynch no, i find him very town

OK

ThAd's read on Funky is that he is town and hes very sure of this because for some reason he is assuming funky is town as shown here:

I am working off the assumption that funky is town

yet he says funky has been doing exactly what he expects scum to have been doing as shown in my #739

So, how can this be? how can ThAd assume that someone is town who cannot possibly be a town read for him? bar the claim what has funky done exactly? why is ThAd so sure the claim is legit?

It makes no sense.

So, let us delve deeper to find out about why he is saying funky is town...

I will say I think the wagon on funkybike is a bit too easy. In terms of both target and how easily it is moving along picking up followers.

OK, nitpicking a bit but the wording here is pretty bad 'I will say' townies would just start with I think... its like he was thinking of NOT saying this which again backs the theory funkys town and ThAd knows it, hes saying 'i will say this' in defence of funky which means he didn't really want to defend him. AND of course, for a town read he really didnt do much to stop the wagon this is all he said about it and for such a strong town read too... that is very scummy especially the fact he wasnt going to say it in the first place.

However the main point to use this quote was to show where his town read came from, its not terrible, but its hardly a reason to assume someone is town, again, his super strong funky is town makes absolutely no sense.

Then there is the claim of course, which should not change ones read dramatically.

Well obv sky is my main scum read at the moment. Other than that I have a bunch of town reads, and then there's a lot of other people who I basically can't distinguish because they haven't really done anything.

sky is his main scum read and then we get this;

I think the money place to look for scum on that wagon is the three S's: slaandar, sky and sodaspirit. Combination of gut feeling, my pre-existing suspicion of sky, and the fact that 3, 4, and 5 are the cliche cushy scum positions on any given wagon.

oh look coincidence? no.

OK, it is the same for any given wagon? really? so 3rd vote on scum is more likely scum than the 6th vote? really?

It is just any reason he can think of to try to justify his sky is scum read, anything at all.

My top 2 scum are ThAd and Hiraki, hiraki has posted a lot but no real content at all, its all fluff, like hes trying to appear more active/helpful than he is being.

top 2 town Beck and Zel/Pine (its close cant decide) Becks strongest by a fair bit though

.

zde could be scum

ThAd is the scummiest player in this game.

Hiraki is pretty scummy

Shattered is delusional and isnt a bad lynch

Soda/Sky/David are all posting a total of ZERO content and I would be happy lynching either, less so sky based on ThAd being scum but I can be wrong.

Funky is slightly scummy but he has his claim so leave him today see what happens tonight

Pine/Me/Beck/Rev/Zel/Username = Town

theama = likely town

pops I find slightly townish

bv unsure

I forgot a few, I probably have no opinion on them, this is off the top of my head but those I forgot are too under the radar and are not bad lynches either probably.

Beck, I find you both town

, why would i vote rev when I think hes town so that tomorrow I can vote you off who I think is also town? it makes 0 sense.

Sky seems townish

SV is more a PL than anything the way I see it, Hiraki is a better vote by a long shot and ThAd better still.

I agree with beck

I mean that hes scum here because he is playing slightly differently, there was actually more content in those games or what seemed like content

I don't really want to guess why you don't want to lynch him, how about you just tell me

He is voting ThAd

(side bar, slandaar doesn't want to vote hiraki because he is voting with him....)

so page 64 is probably the first or 2nd time

i remember

you calling somebody scum, what you tend to do is point to something and call it scummy, but I don't really see any explanation to why it is scummy

I dunno if this is true or not it might be, but its just how i play I guess, I imagine i called ThAd scum long before this however... I dont see why this makes me scum exactly its a playstyle. Lets call it null aye?

what TheAd is doing is totally different from what you are doing, he uses a wagon and tries to find scum, you think that is wrong way of doing it, but I suggested it first and don't call me out for it, yet he is scum for it? The whole 3-4-5 thing is such a minute thing to get hung up on, sadly I have seen people outside of newbie games rely on that 3-4-5 thing before, if anything it speaks to his experience level more than it does is scummy level.

Please show me where you said 'lets hunt scum who voted 3rd on a wagon whos alignment we dont know' thanks.

I take this to imply he doesn't think you as town, and imo not town usually means scum or scummy. I guess it could mean null though. But after that you never post that you think he is scum, the only time that you imply you think he is scum is WAY BACK on post 77. So since you never indicate you think he is scum, why did you feel the need to say this after he calls you null

OK, I give you that he does kind of imply im scummy, anyways I questioned it and his answer was good, don't you agree? good answer = town points, what seems to be the issue?

I don't think you called him scum.

I mean if you look at my 2nd post in my ISO i basically do, then the 3rd, exaggerating of course but i do. I call him scummy later on also.

I haven't made up anything and I am not scum. I can support anything I say with examples, which means it can be proven thus isn't made up.

I don't actually think you are scum for the record

, but you have not presented a case, you repeated yourself like twice in this huge post for some reason and yes, some of this is made up, i mean of everyone in the game, how many people have posted more solid reads than me? name them, good luck.

Anyways pops is scum its lolobvious and he needs to be lynched today.

Slandaar is so unbelievably scummy why can't we get support for this lynch.

so why no vote? how come you have not been drumming up support before? whats this to do with gaining support you have not been trying?

heres whats happening obvtown beck gets sheeped by the scum

and pops is one of those.

vote Sodaspirit

Looks like that's where we're headed.

Why vote soda? cos its the easy vote today hm? im super scummy but you are voting soda huh, seems good.

Hirakis point was good too...

UNVOTE: ThAdmiral
VOTE: popsofctown

And this is where my vote will stay

and now that I am pushing for Slandaar's lynch

Anyone who thinks beck is town needs to show a townish post he has made.

reads based on quantity of posts or the fact he voted himself when he was in no danger of being lynched are not tolerated.

Like seriously? How can I go from OBV Town and him agreeing with me on things, to I am scum and haven't posted a single townish post?

Deflection is scum's best weapon

You have basically focused on zde 80% of the game, aka the definition of tunneling IMO

why don't you ISO ThAd, there be a lot of tunneling in that there ISO too.

if SV is so scummy, why has he not voted him at all? or even an FOS or something?

This is the problem huh? why didn't you take issue with pops for doing the same thing?

Becks scum, its ridiculous, he wont get lynched but he is.

Pops/Beck/ThAd/Pine

they are the only good lynches today.

This is hands down my worst game ever

vote: Salandaar

I see your point

he edits out the reasons why I am voting him and basically implies my vote on him is bad because I am having a bad game.

I still need to know if funkys claim was real or a joke...

ROLE FISHING

Yet you don't vote him?

Not town = scum right?

I voted who is scummiest at the time. I wanted a ThAd lynch. I pushed the ThAd wagon.

Tunnelling in the instance is evidence that Beck is scum

, he is pushing every angle he can think because he wants me lynched badly, for what? this? yeah.

But but, I didn't think you thought tunneling is scummy?

besides how am I tunneling when we are 3 days from deadline and you still haven't defended yourself properly?

how am I tunneling when I have focused on quite a few people during the game?


I think you are scum, I have implied there was something wrong with your play WAY BACK and ignored it to focus on others, once I have seen enough I decide to not ignore it anymore. You call it tunneling, I disagree.

I think you are the best lynch today, your play doesn't make sense if you are town.

[Beck]

I love a good ol fashion duel. Funky and rev, take 10 paces, turn and fire.

[Beck]

Actually I stand corrected in that post, I was talking to sorg and his tunneling, not slandaar

So my apologies, you can scratch that one and only that one from my case

[Beck]

1 part was wrong, not all of it.

[Beck]

Wrong account lol

[Beck]

Oh wait my bad, Max is a replacement. That post by faraday just came at a weird time

[Beck]

I'm urging whoever the vig is, flip a coin and kill either rev or ^ guy, town will have improved 50% regardless

[Beck]

Here is a sunmary of rev's play

Starts off slow
Looks and sounds good when defending pine and when I'm going crazy from SV
Post count increases as my attention towards him increases
Lots of personal insults towards me
Refuses to defend himself
Scum slips
Retreats and lurks when attention gets off him
Useless postings now

I still can't find any examples of good scum hunting from him.

Slander's play

Starts off strong
Seems to stay on the right side by attacking people others are attacking
Makes a mistake going after TheAd for analyzing a wagon of someone TheAd thinks may be town.
The issue he has with it is he doesn't know why TheAd thinks funky was town, he also disagreed with the method of 3-4-5, but that wasnt strong enough of a reason IMO, especially when Slandaar himself said funky was a bad lynch. (if funky was a bad lynch, why is examining that wagon so bad? Why only single him out for it, when I did it first?)
He claims hiraki is scummy and votes him
Claims SV is scummy but doesn't vote him because he wasnt scummy enough?
Had an Obv town read on me until I push for his lynch, and claims I had no towny posts all game except he agreed with a few of my points.
He also claims rev scum slipped twice, but isn't voting him.

These both are just examples of bad town play if they are town, and bad scum play if they are scum

[Beck]

Hmm....

Need to re-read and re-think some things.

unvote

[Beck]

@ rev - no I am still not convinced, I just want to re-read some things but in the mean time

@ Slandaar you said this earlier

also, beck seems to get a lot of heat for how he plays fwiw i have no problem with it so far and see no reason for the hate.

but now you say this

Correction: had an obv town read on you until you started making ridiculous arguments.

the reason why people were attacking my gameplay earlier was because people thought I was making ridiculous arguments

[Beck]

It's not that they were ridiculous, maybe more nitpicky.

For example when you said you were scum hunting cause you said somebody committed a town tell, actually wasn't an example of scum hunting.

My attacks on slandaar haven't all been wrong or ridiculous, but some of them were which is why I unvoted. I keep forgetting context. The biggest clue for me was the funky lynch thing, not wanting to lynch him cause he claimed vig was a valid defense and yet another mistake on my part.

There are other things he is guilty of which he hasn't defended, the same goes for rev. But before I vote again I want to sit down un-distracted on my pc and reread a few people's isos and vote patterns.

[Beck]

The biggest clue for me was the funky lynch thing, not wanting to lynch him cause he claimed vig was a valid defense and yet another mistake on my part.

I dont understand how that was new information, i had said it like 10 times that i thought the claim was serious.

I don't think I remember that being said as the reason, that's why i want to reread


@ sorg, way to contribute to the spamming by saying there is too much spamming. Damn hypocrite.

[Beck]

Day One, Vote Count the Nineteenth (thats the joke)

Revenus (4): Velzanath, sorgster, vijay2vasandani, bvoigt
SodaSpirit17 (4): ZeL1nk, IAAUN/Faraday, theamatuer, mastin2
vijay2vasandani (4): SodaSpirit17, ScreamingHawk, revenus, Shattered Viewpoint
Slandaar (3): ThAdmiral, popsofctown, Pine
Popsofctown (2): Zdenek, Slandaar
ThAdmiral (1): Hiraki
sword_of_omens (1): Sky
Velzanath (1): Revenus
Not Voting (2): sword_of_omens, funkybike1

WITH TWENTY-TWO ALIVE, IT'S TWELVE TO LYNCH.
DEADLINE: NOVEMBER 3RD @ 11PM PACIFIC STANDARD TIME.

Assume my vote is on slandaar still and vijay was still on rev

That's 4 people with 4 votes on them.

1. Hiraki is clearly delusional for his vote
2. The people on the vijay wagon weird me out, it's like you have taken the worst players of the game and put them on 1 wagon. I thought vijay was scummy but after looking at his wagon, I am beginning to think he is town by default.
3. The people voting rev don't give me the warm fuzzies either.
4. Rev, sky, and the non voters are going to have to post something significant soon
5. Hiraki is clearly delusional for his vote on TheAd

I still need to re-read, but slandaar is still a good lynch but hiraki is really starting to look like scum.

I'm leery of too many people, and we are running out of time.

[Beck]

Forgot to ask, What are the cases for soda and vijay?

[Beck]

I want to see that venn diagram

[Beck]

nah. I go back on what I said.

It's not slandaar/pine.

They're both good.

no I think you are wrong, but that comment would make sense due to the distancing between you two

[Beck]

I havent made anything up, if you honestly think I have, make me a list of things u think I have made up.

I don't tolerate baseless accusations

[Beck]

Btw if pine is actually scum, I'm gonna be really pissed I was right and told I was stupid.

[Beck]

Stuff on Slandaar

Spoiler:

1. theAm in one of his posts

implies

he thinks Slandaar is scummy, when asked to clarify it he says not really scummy but null, to which slandaar says

You might be town after all.

this really bothered me because this implies that he is willing to back off theamateur now that the amateur has implied he is null. Theamateur does make a good point though in the fact that he says lots of people had a town read on slandaar do not really explain why.

2. I accuse him of

hardly ever take a solid stance on saying somebody is town or scum.

to which he points to something on the previous page as a defense, now this really isn't a strong sticking point and could be a gameplay issue, the point I was trying to make however is that his cases on the people he is trying to vote seem to have weak reasonings behind them and his scum hunting doesn't look genuine to me.

3. His stance on hiraki, he votes hiraki multiple times, calls him scummy a bunch, but later has a townish read on him although his play hasn't really changed, the only thing that really changed from hiraki is that he was voting the same person as slandaar (slandaar even admits that is why he doesn't want to vote hiraki) yet again this seems to be that his reads on people sway to easily. If scum sheeps slandaar all game (assuming slandaar is not scum) it seems that they would get a free ride to end game because he would not ever suspect them

4. when I imply that slandaar is kind of keeping the conversation, he asks if that is pro town? I explain to him that both sides can do it, I just didn't feel the way he was doing it had much behind it, thus I found it scummy. To which he replies with this

isnt that why ThAd is some super strong town read of yours? isnt he 'scum hunting' on a wagon? thats the only reason you have hes town.

So do explain the double standards.

which makes no sense personally, because scum hunting on a wagon of someone TheAd thinks is town isn't the same thing as keeping the flow of the game going, it's actually scum hunting. So there is no double standard, this was really an attempt to cause confusion I think because he didn't really know how to respond to it, aditionally why does he have to mention TheAd at all, a better defense woudl have been to dig up some quotes from his own ISO to show that he isn't doing what I am accusing him of.

5. he asks me for a case on him, I post that I have already explained why I think he is scum, to which he responds with

You are scum, you have to be, you make too much up, no townie needs to do that.

this is just blantant mud slinging. If I have made up so many things that are un true, where are the examples for the entire game to see?

6.

SV you never did give me your read of me...

Anyway, there is no case on me, simply put. The vijay case is a bit of a mystery too.

if people are voting him, than there is clearly cases behind them, he just tries to shrug it off imo and hope it goes away

7. I feel he has a double standard towards me and TheAd, he knows I won't get lynched today so he went after TheAd for trying to hunt scum on funky's wagon. This quote from him sums it up best

Please show me where you said 'lets hunt scum who voted 3rd on a wagon whos alignment we dont know' thanks.

he is harping too much on the 3-4-5 thing and the fact that funky's wagon is unknown to everyone. The thing that makes TheAd at least for today seem pro-town is the fact that he is using a wagon that he disagrees with to find scum. If there are 8 people on a town read of mine, I am absolutely going to think that scum is pushing the wagon and I am going to scrutinize the peopel on it. That is essentially what I did, but I don't get critizied for it. The 3-4-5 is such a newb thing plus it's on the wiki as a valid scumtell, the problem is not everyone knows that the 3-4-5 thing doesn't really apply anymore, and certainly doesn't apply when 12 is needed to lynch. But you have to know the theory behind the 3-4-5 scumtell to understand why it was thought of one, and quite frankly I don't think TheAd knows the theory or the history behind it.

8. Slandaar does make a good point about Pops, he is one of the ISOs I want to re-read before voting it is one of the things that made me un-vote for a minute.

In post 1635, popsofctown wrote

:
Slandaar is so unbelievably scummy why can't we get support for this lynch.

Slandaar wrote:

so why no vote? how come you have not been drumming up support before? whats this to do with gaining support you have not been trying?

9. another thing I don't like is his earlier scum list, it seems like he is picking on the people who seem the most obviously scummy

SV or Pine is scum, probably pine.
ThAd scum
Pops scum
Soda probably scum
Funky maybe scum
Mastin meh maybe scum too

with the exception of TheAd, the rest of these people are playing scummy but it doesn't mean they are scum.

10. in 1639 - slandaar claims he has posted more solid reads than anyone in the game, 1. I don't think this is true 2. what is the point of even making such a statement when there is no way to actually verify it until the game is over. This to me is an attempt to seem pro-town, and plus like I explained it, it is much easier for scum to have solid reads than it is for town.

11.

you just accused me of admitting I was scum, so why am I town read?

I don't actually think you are scum for the record, but you have not presented a case, you repeated yourself like twice in this huge post for some reason and yes, some of this is made up, i mean of everyone in the game, how many people have posted more solid reads than me? name them, good luck.

Not reading my posts huh? interesting.

in post 1619 he says this

I take this as a confession of being scum,

in post 1639 he says he doesn't think I am scum.


So he DOES accuse me of admitting I am scum and he DOES later say he doesn't think I am scum, so why is he trying to discredit me by saying I am not reading his posts?

12.

Beck accuses me of being scum for not posting solid reads but at the same time is saying scum post solid reads.

This is a misrep, 1. I do not call him scum for not posting solid reads, I call him scum for numerous things, but i feel that his reads and his play lack real bite. He claims that he has had the most solid reads in the game to which I imply that scum can have really solid reads too.

It's like saying

All girls like dogs
Slandaar likes Dogs
Slandaar must be a girl.

it's fail logic.

I don't think slandaar has good reads
slandaar claims to have the most solid reads out of everyone
scum can have solid reads also, scum can also pretend to have weak reads
this doesn't conf. slandaar as being scum, especially since I think he doesn't have strong reads, and the fact that his reads are so easily swayed

13. Now let's look at his voting pattern and his reads

first serious vote - theamateur - because he voted pine for saying he would PL me if he were going to PL anyone.
2nd Vote - Pine - because

PINE WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO GET ME TO THINK HE IS TOWN BUT COULD NOT FIND ONE!

Pine also was on zel for terribad reasoning, he needs to go here

[/quote]

3rd vote - funky - because "at least ama and hiraki post some stuff, funky does not post any content at all so hes the best vote of the 3"

4th vote - hiraki - because funky has claimed vig also and he thinks hiraki is most likely scum, but doesn't explain why (this is where he also mentions TheAd is scummy because of the 3-4-5 thing, but the 3-4-5 thing wasn't the only reason, also Slandaar was one of the people in that list so it sort of looks a tad OMGUSy)

5th vote - TheAd - for the reasons we all know already

6th vote - pops - because he supports a slandaar lynch (horrible reason imo) and because he seemed to sheep onto Soda's wagon (valid)

7th vote - self vote - which is horrible if he is actually town.

These votes don't seem to have "solid reads" to me and they don't seem to have much reason behind them, it's all sort of meh and again going after people who happens to have some sort of attention on them at the time, this is where I claim he made a mistake in his gameplay (assuming he was scum) the Attack on TheAd was his downfall, nobody suspected him and the attack on him was for a HORRIBLE reason.

Before I vote i do want to read the ISOs of Pops, Soda, and a few others.

[Beck]

here is the quote when you vote pops

Slandaar is so unbelievably scummy why can't we get support for this lynch.

so why no vote? how come you have not been drumming up support before? whats this to do with gaining support you have not been trying?

heres whats happening obvtown beck gets sheeped by the scum and pops is one of those.

vote Sodaspirit

Looks like that's where we're headed.

Why vote soda? cos its the easy vote today hm? im super scummy but you are voting soda huh, seems good.

Hirakis point was good too...

UNVOTE: ThAdmiral
VOTE: popsofctown

And this is where my vote will stay

1. you mention a good point about why he didn't vote you and why has he not tried to drum up support for your lynch, but you don't even give him time to respond, and he does mention he thinks you are scummy in a previous post.
2. This quote IMPLIES he is sheeping the soda wagon, unless you can explain what "it's the easy vote today hm?" means

Why vote soda? cos its the easy vote today hm?

Even though I feel you made good points, your reasons for TheAd had much more behind it, even though I disagreed with it. It seemed like something so small like this would make you un-vote TheAd.

[Beck]

damn quote fail

damn mod fix

[Beck]

I agree pops definitly looks scummy from that post, I do want to know why he wasn't voting for you and why he did sheep onto Soda's wagon.

I am really going to sit down and comb through his ISO tonight.

[Beck]

Ok, I'm trying to hard, I can explain my actions slabdaar, but tbh ill just add more stuff and start the back and forth all over again. I realize some of my case is just circumstantial, my gut still thinks you are scum but I'll let you be for now.

The biggest problem with this game is we never had more than 1 real wagon, that was funky. I dont think anyone else got more than 5, which hurts the game really.

Just lynch me, I'm not helping town. I think if slandaar is town, he has a point that scum is sheeping me a bit.

Tbh all the people I want lynched are more justifiable policy lynches that will hopefully flip scum.

SV, hiraki, and Rev

My gut tells me bvoight or vijay, screaming/soda/sky maybe pops would be useful and may even hit scum.

[Beck]

There is no certainty in mafia....

Every lynch you hope you lynch scum you twit

[Beck]

What's more annoying is your lack of content, reasoning, and overall logic.

[Beck]

As much as I hate you, I could definitely sheep this wagon.

[Beck]

Cause I think he could be scum too

[Beck]

a read you'll find consistent throughout my iso.

This confirms pops is scum to me...

I mean really, who thinks about their ISO as town?

probably the same kind of person who claims they have had the most solid reads out of everyone in the game.

[Beck]

Since soda has a bunch of votes, what is the case on him?

[Beck]

Mod, I don't think IamUsername is voting Soda

[Beck]

ok here is what I can tell from looking at who is voting soda.

Iamusername - isn't voting soda, he hasn't voted since he returned and Farada was voting vijau
theamateur - for being inactive
mastin - compromise vote, switches over to slandaar but moves back
vela - for lack of scum hunting and because he jumped on the wagon
hiraki - cause amateur tells people to join one of the 3 main wagons, he unvotes to jump to poppy but goes back. Hiraki never mentions soda all game

Pine, can you show me where the somewhat reasonable case was made, because looking at when people voted for him, I don't see it

the fact that hiraki joins the wagon without even mentioning soda the entire game is extremely distrubing, just as disturbing as every single vote on the Soda wagon. Soda MAY be a good lynch, but nobody has really provided anything.

Hiraki and Vela look the worst with mastin being a strong 3rd for his willingness to compromise his vote instead of make a case for who he really thinks should be lynched.

Vote hiraki

[Beck]

If you say one hasn't been made here, I have no reason to doubt you

Why are you being nice to me all of a sudden?

[Beck]

Rabble rabble rabble rabble

God help me, but rev's comment wasn't nearly as scummy as pine made it out to be.

Unless someone can post a good case, I don't see soda bein today's lynch either, especially since soda replaced out.

[Beck]

Rev is already voting hiraki and I call people scummy and think they are town. Funky is an example of that.

[Beck]

In another game I called theAmateur too scummy to be scum.
I actually use that in quite a few games.

[Beck]

If someone uses crap logic, even if it's against someone I think is scum, I'm calling it crap.

He says rev is scummy for calling you scummy but town and saying hiraki is scum but bot voting him.

Rev WAS voting him and calling someone scummy but town isn't scummy.

Pine completely made something up.

I'm fine with you thinking rev and I are a team, I think you and hiraki are a team and one of you will probably be lynched.

I'm fine being lynched too, no problem for me

[Beck]

I defended TheAd from your case slandaar. I also spoke out against a funky lynch before he fake claimed vig.

I also explained why him using the 3-4-5 thing wasn't scummy.

When I see something used that is horseshit, I'm not going to sit and watch it being used.

It doesn't change my read on rev, unles pine is actually scum.

[Beck]

Where did I turn my sights to you?

[Beck]

Yeah, was referring to the worst vote reasons for the soda wagon. Idk if it makes you scum or not.

[Beck]

If we can get a hiraki wagon going let me know, but since deadline is near, his buddy will have to do

vote

The people voting Soda need better reasoning or find someone else

[Beck]

vote slandaar

Vote fail

[Beck]

Hiraki, I feel I am going to be lynched today, I am sorry I let you down, I tried but I was caught in the act of distancing from you , I dunno how they caught me this guy called beck hes some kind of detective mastermind or something, I am sure they will lynch you tomorrow once my real role is discovered, maybe if you use your day powers you can save me otherwise I fear the worst for both of us.

Forever your buddy

Slandaar.

+1 for creativity

[Beck]

unvote

This is mod-killable offense regardless of allignment.

[Beck]

No more votes on slandaar, we are not lynching him if he is going to get mod killed

[Beck]

If slandaar is scum, we lynch hiraki hands down.

I'm not letting him skate off a wifom ploy like that

[Beck]

Btw the poll is a cop out, isn't scum hunting, and the last time I saw it used, scum was the one suggesting it.

Putting all your eggs in the poll basket isnt useful.

[Beck]

Pine uses the poll to hide his sheeping IMO.

"Look 6 people say they are fine lynching player A so I'll vote player A"

[Beck]

I could very well be a detective mastermind...

[Beck]

hiraki hasn't even commented on that thing you did.

[Beck]

This game just became hilarious.

Oh god.

Beck. You are no mastermind at all.

let's reserve judgement until the game is over. There is a method to my madness actually

[Beck]

well my method is better than your "herp a derp let me sheep anyone I can think of and not provide any original content and lurk my way though the game" method that you seem to be doing this game.

and if I have my way, you will be lynched after the mod-kill of slandaar

[Beck]

I am pretty sure he is scum.

[Beck]

v/la til Thursday

Noted. Thanks.

[Beck]

getting ready to go on v/la

still disgaree with funky lynch, pine is looking good for scum but that is just skimming the past few pages. you shoud be happy, I won't be posting again til Thursday or Friday.

can't remember if I did this but

V/LA til Thursday

won a trip to the country music awards, leaving tonight plus it's my son's party today.

have fun.

[Beck]

Just checking in, haven't read much but I've read enough to know that I wanna

vote: pine

[Beck]

So we are following hiraki's veiled wisdom. Funky isn't getting lynched today. Pine knows better to try and push his lynch, plus pine got away with his lack of scum hunting by doing his poll. Who btw happened to net us 2 town players top of that poll list. In addition his reaction to slandaar's "admission" was exactly something id expect scum to say, not town. It was an over the top reaction.

The people who popped out of nowhere and started slandaar also get a slight scum read from me.

Pine is conf. Scum, please just trust me on this one guys.

[Beck]

You can insult me if you want. It's obvious you are scum.

If you say you have scum hunted, post some examples from day 1.

Your reaction to slandaar's fake claim just made you look bad. Sorry, you got caught.

[Beck]

You opposed his lynch cause you knew he was town and hiraki is experienced enough that he would have seen through your bullshit had you tried to push on him

[Beck]

That last part was straight wifom btw...

[Beck]

Post examples of your d1 scum hunting or stfu

[Beck]

Looks more like town hunting than scum hunting to me. Most if these posts talk about you saying people are not scum, instead of saying they are scum.

Find me your best d1 case on why somebody was scum. That should be easy enough right?

[Beck]

What scumhunting? He just out of the blue accuses me without adequate explanation, and pulls that demonstrably false nonsense about Hiraki. He pisses me off, especially when he keeps saying that I haven't done anything. Don't encourage him.

Are u kidding me? I've posted evidence of my suspicion and it's quite valid.

1. Lack of scum hunting (my opinion, supported by the links you posted where you are declaring people town, not scum)
2. Your reaction to slandaar's claim isn't how I see a townie acting.
3. Pushing a funky lynch who is almost likely town. You even thought so day 1 if I recall.

[Beck]

I played with pine in a speed game. He focused mostly on me and lurked his way to victory. There was lots of town on town fighting and he laid low and contributed nothing. Much like his earlier attacks on me, which is why I suspect he decided to back off me.

[Beck]

It says I average 22.22 posts a day

[Beck]

And lol, vijay just admits he isn't scum hunting so he can't agree with my point on pine. That's classic

[Beck]

God DAMN do I hate when scum gives up when they've still got a chance. It's just bad sportsmanship. Like when you're playing a board game with someone (Risk or Stratego come to mind for this simile) and they eventually decide to quit when you get a little ahead. NOT THE POINT. Idiot. Whatever.

And if he's Town doing some retarded gambit, he's going on a blacklist so dark it'll be blurple.

PE: *twitch* "Longest" is already a superlative. Learn English more better.

Pine, what is town motivation behind this?

Scum gives up, I'm celebrating, not saying OH NO.

Now if you are scum and know he is lying, your reaction actually makes sense.

Additionally, right before slandaar admitting he was scum, zde made a huge case on you which I feel got over looked cause of slandaar's stupid behavior. I'd like you to defend yourself against that post, id also request that your defense not include any words that imply zde is stupid or anything remotely close to that.

You and rev have this weird thing of insulting people, instead of just proving people wrong.

[Beck]

Basically what vijay said.

If he is scum, he has to act town. So the scum motivation to sound town usually comes off as forced.

I played a game where I was scum and town admitted he was scum. My first instinct was to post some huge post to earn town cred, I decided to not say anything and just vote.

I did throw a comment in later saying something about the mod appreciating him fucking up his game, cause it sounded townie IMO. It was obvious a fake reaction cause inside I was thinking WOO HOO. (I can link the game if need be)

Pine has contributed nothing valuable to this game (IN MY OPINION)

If anyone besides pine disagrees, please point to something.

Also, my experience with the poll that he started, i played in a game where scum did that.

What better to use a poll to decide a lynch, that way he can turn it and say "see everyone wanted him lynched"

The problem with polls is that it isn't scum hunting and it let's scum slip by without posting reasons for their case.

If I'm wrong here, somebody besides pine explain where I'm flawed.

[Beck]

Are you high? There's not alignment motivation behind it whatsoever, Town or scum. As a

player

, I was insulted by Slandaar's amateurish conduct. I recognized right away that regardless of his alignment, he

ruined

at least part of a game that I've spent hours of my life on. Either he was Town and about to get modkilled, therefore destroying his chances to have any kind of positive impact on the game, or he was scum and had possibly outed a buddy and made our victory a hollow one.

Guess we have to wait til end game to know if this is a truthful statement.

[Beck]

Which is the pot calling the kettle black, mr. "I have the 4th largest post count but I'm not a spammy bastard"

[Beck]

4th largest post count and yet not a single solid example of scum hunting. Tsk tsk.

[Beck]

Additionally, right before slandaar admitting he was scum, zde made a huge case on you which I feel got over looked cause of slandaar's stupid behavior. I'd like you to defend yourself against that post, id also request that your defense not include any words that imply zde is stupid or anything remotely close to that.

Btw pine, still waiting on you to do this. You are not off the hook from defending yourself from zde's case on you.

[Beck]

Pine gets way too much of an increase in readability from other flips to

actually

lynch him today. We need to look elsewhere. Do you have any partners in mind for Pine, beck?

Based on that response from bvoigt, probably him. It would reaffirm my gut scum read on him earlier.

Also please explain why it's better to lynch someone else over him? And who is a better lynch?

And By god if you say funky, I may have to day kill you.

[Beck]

Instead of wasting time with lists, respond to zde's case on you

[Beck]

Instead of wasting time with lists, respond to zde's case on you

purposely ignoring this, you realize you are already halfway to a lynch and you have 2 people who have said they suspect you as possibly scum.

stop wasting time with a list of reads, as I said way back, they are useless and they are just another attempt to appear to do something than actually doing something.

[Beck]

Instead of wasting time with lists, respond to zde's case on you

I guess I'll keep spamming this until you do it

[Beck]

Instead of wasting time with lists, respond to zde's case on you

I guess I'll keep spamming this until you do it

[Beck]

@ pops, how is zde opportunistic when he made a huge d1 case why pine was scum and pine has still ignored it?

Zde's case got overshadowed by slandaar's stunt. Voting pine today for him can't be called opportunistic at all

[Beck]

Indeed, it can't. Not voting pine is what is opportunistic, with his bizarre, weak case at the beginning of day 2 on velzanath which starkly contrasted with the dedicated tunneler image he was putting on Day 1.

Do you even know what opportunistic means?

[Beck]

Well, apparently rev.
Also Rev should post or he lands in my scum list

Interesting comment...

[Beck]

Why yes I don't take kindly to people who just decide to lurk without any reason.

But on more than one occasion you declared he was town. You even tried to prove to me he was scum hunting.

That comment looked more like in game coaching to your scum buddy than a genuine suspicion. Plus I'd say 10 other people are guilty of lurking right now so why choose to turn on him, a former town read?

[Beck]

I hate being on a wagon with people I think are scummy....

[Beck]

I'm a bitch to lynch unless I've been caught in a serious scumslip or cop guilty, and I've been known to talk my way out of those, too. In the context of this game,

this is why we need to lynch this scum today, the further the game goes people wont lynch him

[Beck]

Well you have been so useful, I guess we should all learn from your awesome scumhunting abilities.

[Beck]

Vote: TheAmateur

[Beck]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16798
Revenus has developed a pattern, and shown a competence that belies his lower experience level. They're entirely different cases.

this is alex's mother he is on the floor in a laughing fit that went into choking who is responsible for this website please give me a phone number i can call

this is beck's mother he is on the floor in a laughing fit that went into choking who is responsible for this website please give me a phone number i can call

[Beck]

vote: bvoigt

I'm sure you are scum now.

[Beck]

Lol, bvoigt is Towny McTownerson from Townsville

actually no he isn't

[Beck]

Well you have been so useful, I guess we should all learn from your awesome scumhunting abilities.

I've posted the scumteam; it's not my fault you guys are ignoring me.

Except you called a town PR scum so clearly you didnt earn the right to have anyone listen to you.

[Beck]

Neither is clever enough nor experienced enough to do it this convincingly.

I've actually thought about doing it in a game, so for me it would never be about being clever or experienced. It would be more about lack of faith in my partner to pull it off.

I'm excellent at arguing.

[Beck]

Whats funny is the 3 people most likely to flip scum are having this discussion.

Sorg, pine, and theam based on my re-reads are pretty good lynches for today.

[Beck]

He did cause I'm a PR and he called me scum. I soft claimed day 1.

This game is full of stupid town so I'll just play along and be stupid too

vote: beck

Pine and SV act like they are god's gifts and I can't play with that type of arrogance.

[Beck]

Of my soft claim? Sure

[Beck]

If he got his head out of his ass and actually played, than maybe he would know what's going on in this game. He calls me scum cause I said I would policy lynch deity kabuto if he was playing. Well guess what? I would.

So now me and SV are a scum team? Just last page it was me and rev was a possibility. Unless you think all 3 are scum together.

I have another interesting tidbit about you but too much work to post it right now.

[Beck]

Good, than lynch me

[Beck]

I'm competent thank you pine.

[Beck]

There is no possible way Beck is scum, for too many reasons to reasonably list. If you think Beck might be scum at this point, you're really not paying attention.

PE: Not as far as I can tell, from the two games we've played together.

actually I have made quite a few good cases on people this game, these cases are now names being thrown about as possible scum (you and rev for instance)

My early case on Zde was good enough for pressure, which all that was supposed to be for anyway.

I have a strong gut read on bvoigt that he is scum, plus there is something about the way he decided to play IC and explain what the protocol of the site was with regards to claiming that I have never seen him do before. I am pretty sure I have played with him in a game where someone claimed early and he didn't give a lesson on claiming. Plus I don't see anything coming from him that is impressive, he seems to be just below the radar.

Sorg is another one, every time I have found something in my mind that sticks out about him, when I go back to find it I can't find the examples I was looking for. I will note that day 1, there were a couple of times that bothe sorg and pine were voting together, but today these seems to be much more distancing between the two.

theamateur, his entire iso screams of scum, plus the fact that day 1 he tried to prove to me rev was actually scum hunting and made it seem like he had a town read on him, to today where he seems to have a scum read because of his lurking.


so I am actually pretty competent, I am just emotional and I get baited easily.

[Beck]

Vote: rev

[Beck]

But his posts contribute to the game, none of yours have.

Replace out please.

If there is a vig, kill SV or kill yourself for being fail

[Beck]

That post was directed to SV

[Beck]

vote: SV

Die scum

[Beck]

I'm not replacing out of this game, so it's me or him today cause I'm not playing with him anymore.

[Beck]

Pinescum isn't bussing Revenus, particularly because rev is town. Stay the course people

stay the course? rev wagon is picking up steam so if we stayed the course it would be rev being lynched but you just said rev is town so why would you want us to stay the course and lynch town rev?

makes no sense.

let's lynch SV to prevent another mod-kill

[Beck]

I'm not replacing out of this game, so it's me or him today cause I'm not playing with him anymore.

You DO realize how childish this sounds, right?

Just checking.

You do realize how I play this game to enjoy myself and your useless posting has proven you are either scum or town playing against your wincon.


You have 47 posts and not a single one is useful.

[Beck]

I'm being purposefully ignorant. We can lynch rev tomorrow. Lynch me or SV today.

[Beck]

It formed too fast for my liking and 4 people I think are scum are on the wagon. As much as I want rev lynched, I'll stay away from this wagon thanks.

[Beck]

It's a good lynch. What has Rev done all game?

What has SV?

What has sky?

What has vijay?

What have you?

I can list 10 people who have done jack shit so far.

[Beck]

If it was 1, I wouldn't care. But 4 people I think are scum, it's quite different.

[Beck]

let's lynch him and make it easier.

Also When this game is over...

[Beck]

Was referring to SV

[Beck]

Last I checked intentionally trolling isn't playing to your win con. It's also a site bannable offense.

Just sayin...

[Beck]

Also Ive heard that SV/NS's goal is less to catch scum and more to make things unfun for the rest of the players.
So I'll be ignoring him from now on

This is not true. I always play to my win condition. I just don't do it in a manner that anyone else approves of. I don't care for anyone's approval.

If your a lyncher type role who's goal is to get beck replaced, I'd nominate you for a scummy.
Otherwise, start posting reactions towards others posts.

I already said I won't replace out...

[Beck]

Hey sorg, care to explain what went on in your mind between 2358 when you voted pine to 2371 when you joined pine's push and voted rev?

I have my own theory but I will wait for you to comment first.

btw guys, sadly as much as I want rev lynched, this lynch seems very bad.

also theamateur looks bad because of his stance on the wagon and he keeps wanting rev to explain himself. This is either coaching his partner or he is trying to look like the good guy so day 3 if rev flips town, he can use his lurking as an excuse.

sad to say but I am against a rev lynch today.

I think we learn much more with a Pine, Sorg, or theAm lynch than we do with a rev lynch.

[Beck]

and I am begging and pleading, if we have a vig you either shoot SV or shoot yourself.

thanks

[Beck]

Vijay, I just explained why I think it is bad. But I did miss the thing pine pointed out about 2 scum teams.

So SV, pine, rev, sorg, bvoigt, theam can all be scum but not together. This makes sense I guess.

Tomorrow without a doubt we are powerlynching pine or SV unless each scum team wants to take the other out.

[Beck]

vote count please

[Beck]

I doubt there is going to be 2 groups of 8, that throws the ratio of the game off balance making this near impossible for town to win.

[Beck]

Are you bussing or are you in the other team theam?

[Beck]

vote count please

That's next on today's to-do list once I get home from work.

The fuck do u work?

[Beck]

If you can provide a good defence for revenus, I might be willing to lynch a lurker.

God if you arent scum, I may have to quit MS all together.

[Beck]

Which game?

[Beck]

Something funny about a pastor playing mafia. This is the second pastor I've met who plays mafia.

Though shall not lie, unless you are scum lol

[Beck]

Fuck it, if SV isn't dead by day 3, I'm quitting and I don't mean replacing out

Can someone else vote rev. I sort of want to hammer him.

[Beck]

go ahead and hammer me, town deserves to lose if you're not going to go after scummy people.

and you don't think your play has been scummy?

SV, why on earth would anyone want to sign up for a game with you when you troll on purpose? besides once this game is over I suspect you will be getting a 30 day ban or possibly more for your trolling in this game so i'd probably not sign up for to many games if I were you.

@ pine - yeah, you definitely are scum

[Beck]

someone update me on why rev has 8 votes. has he claimed scum or is this the same retarded shit from D1?

Change of plyaystyle from active to lurking
Plus pine says I'm stupid about everything mafia, EXCEPT my case on rev

[Beck]

That's it. It's a stupid scummy wagon full of scummy people.

But if he gets one more, I'll still hammer him cause I like my d1 case still.

It's pretty sure there are 2 mafia groups, so him being mafia is still likely.

[Beck]

tbh I would sign up but that may deter people from playing

[Beck]

ThAD, you've never stated

why

you think rev is town.I did a quick iso of you. You attacked him a bit in the start. Only on post 1107 did you ever agree with him about anything. Why is he on your town list? It makes no sense unless you are both scumbuddies.

sorg can you tell me if the following statement is true about you

you re-read TheAd's iso and only found post 1107 and the post where he was on pine's town list and there was nothing else.

please, let sorg answer this.

[Beck]

ugh, that is what I meant, you are saying you read his iso and TheAd never explains his town read of pine, right?

[Beck]

town read of revenus not pine

damn my reading is sucking right now

ok nevermind

[Beck]

If revenus is scum, then ThAd is definitely his partner

yeah, I wouldn't say definitely but most likely, but than this is where I am torn because I have a town read of TheAd and a scum read of Rev

I think it is safe to say though that almost everyone has a scum read of Pine and Theamateur so one of those 2 would be better lynches

[Beck]

I think it's pretty obvious there are 2 scum teams...

[Beck]

vote: Sorg

[Beck]

So I'm thinking

TheAd/Rev

And

Pine/sorg

With theAmateur somewhere in there too.

Sounds right, GG Jamz

[Beck]

I beleive I have already said why I'm suspicious of you. Go read my iso

[Beck]

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