NY 150: Mob Money Mafia GAME OVER

[SlySly]

This game was flushed from my thoughts far more than I realized. While the game was down, I lost my job, but luckily, I quickly found a new one which I started today. I'm still trying to get a grip on who all replaced who and who is still in.

After a quick perusal, here's what's coming back to me:
1. Kise claimed to have a QT, and then retracted and reasonably claimed sarcasm.
2. Someone (I believe it was Pine?) claimed neighbor and outted the other neighbor (I believe was Bunny?).
3. NM soft claimed confirming her and Mastin as town.
4. Mastin going out of his way to play as anti-town as possible.
5. There was a lot of replacing going on.
6. Mcqueen was doing his best impersonation of the little dog in this pic where Kise is the big one.



7. Town vibes from Oversoul and Andycyca.
8. Because of #3, I believe the odds are raised that either Pine or Bunny is scum. However, if I recall correctly, Pine had given me town vibes and my vote was on Bunny pretty much out of PoE. Bunny was being kinda lurkerish and given me a bit of scum vibe, but I've seen her play that way before and she was town then.

At this point, I'm willing to give the reset and mass-replacements a chance to increase activity from some of the previous lurker spots before putting my vote back on Bunny.

[SlySly]

NM confirmed mastin?

I don't remember NM hinting at soft claiming nor confirming Mastin as town.

It was about a 5 page discussion between me and NM about the history of and difference between masons and neighbors on this site. If you don't believe NM and Mastin are co-masons, you should be voting one of them for being lying scum.

[SlySly]

no
that's not what i meant at all with that discussion

Feel free to clarify. I posted the same summary before the site went down and you didn't correct it then.

[SlySly]

VOTE: DamonGant

That's all I have to say about that.

[SlySly]

I don't remember where the neighbor/mason discussion came up, but in bringing up masons, I wasn't claiming.

Nice backtrack. You soft claimed like crazy.

[SlySly]

Sly's vote on me is irritating.

What is really irritating is when a cop's role is rendered useless because someone 5 votes from being lynched on Day 1 wants to claim because they can't "see no way to change this game right now in the town's favour other than claiming". There is no protown reason to basically take the cop role out of the game on D1 unpressured. You're either scum that's trying to pull some BS, or you are a lame duck cop that should be lynched for screwing the town out of a cop.

[SlySly]

So Sly, you counterclaim DG?

No.

SlySly, did you crumb cop?

No.

[SlySly]

This logic is bad. You're seriously recommending a lynch on Damon not because you scumread him, but because he's playing badly if he's town? Come on.

In a game not so long ago, I was a cop. A 3rd party revealed his alignment and I said we should lynch him because a 3rd party lynch would be a sure fire thing and would prevent a mislynch. He convinced everyone I was an idiot and got me ran up to L-1 where I had to claim. Obviously, that stole the cop role from the town. I later got RB'd twice and the town went on to end that game in a loss.

The situation here has some similarities and I have taken a similar defensive stance in both instances. Preserve town PR's, lynch the duck.

My conclusion from DG's claim, was that DG is either:
1. Scum trying to pull some BS
or
2. A cop needlessly outting himself on D1 under no pressure

My thinking about his lynch:
If it's #1, awesome.
If it's #2, his lynch is deserved for personally stealing his role from the town and also erases the possibility of future WIFOM surrounding his role. Lynching him also prevents the possibility of running up other townies and potentially and needlessly outting even more town power roles.

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On the other hand, if we keep DG around, we force scum to kill or RB him. If they do neither, he can provide some results. Since I'm the one that's been recently pushing his lynch the hardest, he could investigate me and that would shut the magpies up about me.

I'm open to suggestions, but at this point and considering the nearing deadline, DG seems to me to be the most viable lynch candidate.

[SlySly]

That nasty GF tell.

It would take an awfully stupid GF to invite investigation.

[SlySly]

Sly has explicitly said that he isn't cop, so yeah.

I was asked if I was counterclaiming you, I said no.
I was asked if I crumbed cop, I said no.

Don't put words in my mouth.

[SlySly]

VOTE: Nacho

Entered game as a replacement. Immediately soft claimed as being a mason with Mastin. Had a lengthy discussion with me about how masons can't be scum in a normal game. After thread disappeared, retracted soft claim.

[SlySly]

Nacho did

not

claim OR softclaim Mason.

Sorry, Charlie, Nacho did softclaim Mason.

[SlySly]

Noob Voice - What's the difference between claiming and softclaiming?

Examples:

Claim: "I am a paranoid gun owner"
Softclaim: "Feel free to vig me, I want you dead anyway"

[SlySly]

SlySly, why are you voting Nacho?

VOTE: Nacho

Entered game as a replacement. Immediately soft claimed as being a mason with Mastin. Had a lengthy discussion with me about how masons can't be scum in a normal game. After thread disappeared, retracted soft claim.

[SlySly]

Vote Pine.

At this point, if I were to vote one of the neighbors, it would be bunny.

[SlySly]

This is still just as bad and untrue as the last time you posted it.

You're welcome to your opinion of bad, but it is true nonetheless.

[SlySly]

No, it's not., You're egregiously misinterpreting and/or misrepresenting what actually happened.

No, you just missed it. It happened exactly as I described.

"Did not."

Did too.

[SlySly]

Sly, why did you vote Damon Gant after he claimed yesterday?

I explained this yesterday, but for your convenience...

My conclusion from DG's claim, was that DG is either:
1. Scum trying to pull some BS
or
2. A cop needlessly outting himself on D1 under no pressure

My thinking about his lynch:
If it's #1, awesome.
If it's #2, his lynch is deserved for personally stealing his role from the town and also erases the possibility of future WIFOM surrounding his role. Lynching him also prevents the possibility of running up other townies and potentially and needlessly outting even more town power roles.

[SlySly]

I want Sly to answer.

Scroll up. I'm tired of repeating myself for those who don't read the thread.

[SlySly]

you are wrong.
you are completely fucking wrong.

No, backtracker, I'm not.

[SlySly]

projectmatt, who's kline?

[SlySly]

okay, originally, i said that mastin was confirmed town.
as i said at the time, it was just to signify the strength of the read, i did not have role-related info confirming mastin was town.
you brought up how there were no roles that would mean we were confirmed to each other at the start.
i brought up masons.
you said masons weren't confirmed.
i explained how in current site meta they were.
later, you brought up how mastin and i claimed co-masons and if we claimed differently, we were liars.
i said we never claimed masons.
and here we are.

"Confirmed" is a word that pings my softclaim-dar. You bringing up masons after using the word "confirmed" was a softclaim. You explaining how masons are confirmed town in normal games, further validated that you were softclaiming.

I don't care how many times you've backtrack on it since.

You didn't say strength of read at the time, that came much later.

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See fuckers, I'm not crazy.

[SlySly]

I wonder why bunny never mentioned/confirmed the pairing in day 1, thinking maybe she was trying to distance herself from her partner.

If memory has not failed me, I believe Bunny did confirm the pairing on D1.

Bunny lurks and seems scummy to me.

I've played with Bunny before and she's playing pretty much the same as she did in that game and she was town. With that said, I would vote her before Pine at this point, though Pine's townieness has slipped a bit today.

I don’t like how Sly is tunnelling on NM over the possible mason soft claim. It is unhelpful for everyone, especially the players who have replaced in and weren’t there for the event. I would understand one or two posts to make sure everyone knew about your suspicions and would take it under consideration but it would also help if you gave your opinion on the events happening in this thread.

Pretty much all of your posts are about the mason claim, apart from voting DG after he claimed and the questions about why you voted him. Why not give opinions about anything else? You are following the thread, popping into answer questions whenever they come so why the lurking?

I've voted for what has struck me as the scummiest so far. I responded as people came in and called my case fabrication. Once NM came in and clarified the truth of my case, as you can see, I've backed off of driving it home.

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Until someone convinces me otherwise, either through their scummy play or through the presentation of their outstanding case, I'm happy with my vote.

[SlySly]

I couldn’t find any post where bunny confirmed the pairing. In #17 and #134 bunny said he didn’t remember anyone soft claiming mason but remembered the discussion on the difference between neighbours and masons. Didn’t claim neighbour though.

Do you have a copy of the lost 20 pages of text from D1?

Are you saying you haven’t seen any other scummy play since the game restarted? Do you have any other suspects?

I've seen more dummy play than scummy play. I'm voting my top suspect.

@Everyone: I also wouldn’t mind knowing who else was playing in the other thread and what their opinion on the mason soft claim accusations are? If it was 5 pages worth of discussion surely it would have been hard to miss.

NM straight up clarified what I've been saying in her post, today.

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SlySly, no one is paying attention to you anymore, but to vote you. This is shit and your case is shit. You think it's great, when you fail to see the giant holes in it. Maybe you need glasses. Please stop flaunting your case around, like it's so great, when it's dirtbag shit.

No one ever listens to me, this is nothing new. The holes you see are your ignorance.

Is it just me, or are Nachomamma8 and mastin2 lurking?

It's not just you.

[SlySly]

I still don't like andy and Sly, and Sly's chainsaw of BB seems like Nacho is either being warmed up for later, or Sly is deflecting from BB because they're buddies.

Chainsaw.

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- I *really* don't like Sly supporting the lynch of the claimed Cop Day 1 and not specifically stating whether or not he was counterclaiming him. Especially when you see that Damon was town.

Too bad Mr. WishyWashy. I explained why I supported lynching DG. He was VI extreme and stole a PR from the town under no pressure. He deserved to hang for that idiocy.

[SlySly]

Too bad Mr. WishyWashy. I explained why I supported lynching DG. He was VI extreme and stole a PR from the town under no pressure. He deserved to hang for that idiocy.

In which case it would've been Superhero Mafia all over again. Instead, he was killed N1 and we got to lynch someone else.

Which I also stated was a good thing, yesterday.

[SlySly]

what happened: dg got killed overnight, we learned that scum don't have a roleblocker. good, A+ work.
what you were suggesting: dg gets lynched, scum get to kill someone who's a threat to them. scummy person still alive. bad.

I believe I covered that scenario...

On the other hand, if we keep DG around, we force scum to kill or RB him.

[SlySly]

Where was your vote?
Which plan did you support?

I swear. Read the thread, it answers your questions.

I'm open to suggestions, but at this point and considering the nearing deadline, DG seems to me to be the most viable lynch candidate.

I was not down with the Lowell lynch.

[SlySly]

This game is going to set a new OMGUS record.

[SlySly]

Pine has 2 votes, I have 7 now. Lynch me.

If you actually had 7, I'd hammer you. Self voting is not a pro-town maneuver.

[SlySly]

mcqueen, who am I or who have I been OMGUSing in this game? I'm sensing your next move is going to be for you to tell your mommy on me.

[SlySly]

Do you have a copy of the lost 20 pages of text from D1?

No I don’t think there is a copy. Think it was lost in the crash.

In the lost pages is where Bunny confirmed the pairing.

[SlySly]

One more vote and I will hammer.

[SlySly]

SlySly, if you hammer, I will go macho, become scum, steal their kill, and find you happily dead at dawn.

Quit scum claiming, that's a mod-killable offense.

[SlySly]

And a no lynch now approaches. Running me up is going to be fruitless.

[SlySly]

Mastin, ask your confirmed vanilla self if you'd rather lynch a useless neighbor or a power role.

UNVOTE: Nacho

VOTE: Bunnylover

Now that the idiocy has went this far, do you want to lynch me or force scum to kill me?

[SlySly]

Actually, my vote was where it needed to be. Bunny is just better than a no lynch.

UNVOTE: Bunny

VOTE: Nacho

But this idiot town doesn't get it. 2 investigative roles down.

[SlySly]

I no longer care. I won't push softclaims as it usually exposes something that needs to stay hidden. Once a role is exposed there is no turning back. When you have a dense town, as we do here, softclaims can keep roles effectiveness in place.

Now my vote on Nacho should make perfect sense to you mastin. She softclaimed mason yesterday. You and I both know you're vanilla. She was lying.

[SlySly]

Scum will have to kill me if I'm not lynched. Me getting a Godfather, Goon etc... result would be hard to interpret as a town role.

PE: If you don't want to be called she, don't put mamma or bunny in your name.

[SlySly]

Mastin, you and super sleuth mcqueen continue leading the idiot wagon to a scum win.

[SlySly]

NM claims mason with Mastin.

Mastin was scummy as hell yesterday so I investigated him.
He returned vanilla.

Nacho's a liar.

Make sense now?

[SlySly]

mcqueen, you are a complete idiot.

[SlySly]

A Town Cop

and

a Town Rolecop? I don't like the chances of that. Combined with my scumread on Sly, I'm pretty sure this is a fake.

I'm reading up now.

That's why I was so on DG after his claim. I found it unlikely as well.

[SlySly]

@SlySly - Sorry, I didn't know you meant you were a

town

rolecop.

I'm not surprised.

[SlySly]

I don't play with

town rolecops

brains. I am not

common with

in possession of them. Not my fault.

Fixed.