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Alright.
Let's get down to business.
VOTE: SlySly.
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Right, so with the mod's assistance, I think I've gotten who replaced who down.
Nacho replaced Millar13 (Yes.)
Twistedspoon replaced C-worl (Right?)
I, mastin2, replaced Spicer1209 (Probably--slight chance mod got me and Oversoul backwards.)
Oversoul replaced Foxace36 (Probably--see above.)
BBmolla replaced Chimera (Sounds right.)
Projectmatt replaced Furcolow who replaced Grifest (POE suggests this.)
Elmo replaced Yourheroeshero (POE also suggests this.)
Sound right?My academy.
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Looking at my early QT notes, I actually wrote down who replaced who.
Right. So Oversoul-->Fox.
TS-->C-worl.
Elmo-->Hero.
Which means that the list above is indeed correct.My academy.
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For the record, SlySly's scum with Projectmatt/Furc/Grifiest as well, and probably Lowell. The fourth I am less sure on, but it's either Pine or Damon.
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'Cause he's scum.In post 7, Bunnylover wrote:Why are we voting SlySly again?My academy.
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You missed out. Most people here should remember that I have the power to rewrite reality and make what I say be true!
More seriously, exactly what TS said; I keep QTs for most of my games. I'll paraphrase what I have in it for Nacho's sake; it's not really that much.My academy.
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So early-QT:
-"Damon might be scum. Need Oversoul to give his reads."
(Mostly, yes, but not quite; my opinion has changed since then.)Right. So Oversoul-->Fox (townread-ish).
TS-->C-worl (better-not-be-scum).
Elmo-->Hero (POE scum).
Those were my reads. But are they still accurate?
Updating my original Full reads list:
Millar stayed town.
I didn't like TS's posts, so the C-worl read worsened.
Pizza, Kise, and Lowell were all still town.
Oversoul read was worsened a little.
Sly was still scum.
Chimera moved down from town to null-townlean.
Pine remained scum.
Grifiest remained scumlean.
Hero/Elmo remained null.
Damon moved from null to scumlean.
Andy, Alex, mcqueen, and Bunny all became town; they originally were null/townlean/town/town, respectively.
I worked from that, eliminating the townreads to work via POE: {TS, Oversoul, Sly, Chimera, Pine, Grifiest, Elmo, Damon}.
Then I split that up, removing the 'confirmed scum' of Sly and Pine.
{Oversoul, Damon, Elmo}
{Twistedspoon, Grifest, Chimera}
-Townlean on Chimera, but still was waiting for Oversoul's reads.
-Elmo looked KINDA sorta town.
-Damon looked like he could *potentially* be town, but overwhelmingly seemed scummy.
-Grifiest remained null, until...
(Mid-QT)
-I declare TS scum, which by proxy made Grifiest town.
-I declare Damon town as well, looking between Elmo and Oversoul to 'complete' my scumteam.
And that lasts untill...
Late-QT, present reads:
-Lowell freaks me out. I INSTANTLY doubt my townread on him.
-I doubt my scumread on TS.
-Furcolow posts like scum-Furcolow, and I reverse it around to my original opinion, Grifiest/Furc as scum, which by proxy made TS town.
This led to the final scumhunting post I made in there before the crash:
With me thinking the scumteam was one of the above two. I'm heavily leaning towards the latter, especially since it's more or less the scumteam Nacho proposed:Sly-Pine-Lowell-Furc?
Sly-Lowell-Furc-Damon?
Maybe. I dunno.
-You pushed Sly as scum.
-You were pushing Lowell as scum.
-You were pushing Damon as scum.
The only name on there which I'm not certain you were pushing as scum was Grifiest/Furcolow/Projectmatt. (I forget who--if anyone--your fourth suspect was. Sorry.)
I also recall either Oversoul or TS being suspicious of one or two of the above, with one of 'em being Grifiest.
Sorry I didn't take better notes. I mainly posted in the thread.My academy.
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Yeah, this is the town chkflip.My academy.
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I'm afraid I don't follow.
Anyway, I really came here to declare this:
Mod:You know about my indefinite V/LA due to weather, but there's a potential V/LA in my future.
Earlier in the year, my cat died. And...well, my memory fails me, but my dog's either a year older or younger than my cat was, so he's a lil' bit on the old side as well. (14? 15? Something like that.)
Needless to say, he's got a lot of health problems, from severe arthritis to the point where he frequently requires assistance to stand up, to having ear infections which have left him practically death, to having been neutered to stop cancer, to being an old senile coot, to (the serious stuff) serious problems in his lungs and throat.
He's due for a surgery tomorrow which could save his life, but he's at serious risk of losing it. If he makes it, yay, you'll probably not notice any difference in me. If he doesn't, I probably won't feel like playing mafia for a day or two minimum, and it'd be a bad idea for me to do so, anyway.My academy.
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Ahhh, this is what I was waiting for.SlySly - 2 (Mastin, Twistedspoon)
Damon Gant - 3 (Bunnylover, Kise, Nacho)
Unvote, VOTE: Damon Gant.My academy.
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Yes. Yes he is.In post 65, chkflip wrote:If Gant is scum, so is Lowell.
(See also--my list, Nacho's suspicions.)My academy.
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So...we're not going to continue it?kondi wrote:@mastin: Were you mafia in that Flash Mafia game?My academy.
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Nah.
Pine was null, leaning town, but I'm a stubborn man; I couldn't let go of my old scumread on him. So he still is leaning town.
TS has gone across the whole spectrum, but currently is town.
You never dropped below the nullline, and have since moved up to town.
And Nacho's Nacho.My academy.
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Indeed, along with Lowell, Damon, and Matt.My academy.
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Not that I don't believe you (you'd have no reason to lie about something like that), but could I get a link to where he said this so I can confirm it? I don't know if what you're saying is accurate (just because you're not lying doesn't mean what you're saying has to be true), and I'd rather not get myself modkilled for talking about an ongoing-but-on-hold game.My academy.
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Sure. Why not?
Unvote, Vote: SlySly.My academy.
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My list boils down to this, right now:
TOWN: (These people are without a doubt town and if any of them were scum it'd by scummy-nom worthy)
Nacho
Kise
Kondi
mcqueen
chkflip
WEAKER TOWN: (These people are probably town)
Andycyca
Damon Gant
NULL: (These people have potential to be scum, but probably aren't)
Bunnylover
MINOR SUSPECT POOL: (These people are in the suspect pool technically, in that I still need to keep an eye on them and review what I know, but they still have an above-average chance of being town*)
BBMolla
Oversoul
Twistedspoon
MAJOR SUSPECT POOL: (These people most likely contain the entire scumteam, although it's possible they have one member in the above category.)
Matt
Pizza
Lowell
Sly
Pine
*...That made more sense in my head. They're basically "maybe-scum" (to compare, Bunny's "potentially-[but-probably-not-]scum", which makes Bunny more town, but only slightly). I can't think of a better way to put it.My academy.
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Ah, just thought of a way.
"*Might* be scum, but probably aren't."
Compared to Null, which is "*Potentially* scum, but probably not."My academy.
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And you saying this invalidates the statement.Matt wrote:I feel my play is pretty much the same <.<
But sure, have this.
That said, though...1. Projectmatt <--Haven't liked his posts. He replaced Furcolow, who was posting exactly like scum-Furcolow. Who himself replaced Grifiest, who was playing rather scummily himself. Yeah...
Unvote, Vote: Lowell. He's always an anti-town player, but there's a difference between his town-self and his scum-self. I think he's playing as his scum-self.My academy.
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That would be why, yes.Bandwagon much?My academy.
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Sly's actually a stronger scumread of mine than Lowell (since I *could* be wrong about the difference between Lowell's scum-anti-town-play and his town-anti-town-play), so if you're interested, I'd be more than happy to wagon him instead.Damon wrote:I vote people who I think are scum.
This is exactly the kind of scum push against a cop that I'd expect to see. And an experienced player like Sly should know better than to lynch a cop claim on day one. Heck, even *I* know better than that. Even if the player claiming cop was my strongest scumread, and I'm pretty sure they're fakeclaiming, they still deserve at least one night, since
-If they're scum, they have to fake results, which give us more insight, and
-If they're *not* scum and my read's wrong, their results are real and therefore valuable.
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Tough Guy Mafia.
Go read it.
It's in the mini norm archives. Amor was the mod.
Look at the cop there. If I read his play to this day, I'd still think he were a scumbag fakeclaiming if he wasn't confirmed as being the cop via the game being over.
We pushed his lynch. And the game would have been worse off with his lynch.
I'm not saying "Lol, Damon's town, now."
Heck, even I'm not sure I buy the claim.
But he. is. NOT. the. lynch. today.
'Cause even if he's scum, he has to FAKE results which still GIVE information to us, and of course, should he be real, he sheds light on things.My academy.
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Yeah, Sly is *so* scum.My academy.
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And given how today is literally the day of the deadline, the reason you're not is......
...What, exactly?My academy.
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Mmm-hmm. There's a reason Nacho had Pizza as scum, after all. And why I revoked my townread on him.
But unless we can get, what, seven? Eight? Lynch-threshhold number of people to speedwagon Pizza today, he'll have to wait. (It's for that same reason Sly can't be lynched today.)My academy.
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There is NO way this BBMolla is forming so easily on scum. I'll need to check the names to make certain. But that wagon STINKS of scum.My academy.
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As it stands,
BBMolla - Nacho, TS, Oversoul, chkflip, mcqueen
Nacho - BBMolla, SlySly
The relevant bandwagons.
I really wanna say all the members of Palisade are town. I really,do. And mcqueen wasn't playing as he did as scum, which made me think he was town. And chkflip is playing as I'd expect him to if he were town, and he replaced someone I had a slight townlean on.really
But it's forming...well, too...easilyto be a scumwagon. Too fast, too tempting. And while Chimera was overall a nullread, he was very slightly leaning town, a trend BBMolla continued: weak-town, and looking like he *could* be scum, but overall feeling like he wasn't.
The wagon just feels...*wrong*.
That said, the counterwagon is far, far worse.My academy.
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So let's review.
1. Projectmatt <--SUSPECT.
2. Twistedspoon <--I *want* him to be town. But it's weak. Veeeeery weak.
3. Pizzadudes7 <--SUSPECT.
4. Kise <--Town.
7. Oversoul <--I *Want* him to be town. But it's a weak read--stronger than TS, but by no means solid.
8. SlySly <--SUSPECT.
9. BBmolla <--Null, but with a townlean.
10. Pine <--I *want* him to be town. I really, really do. But he's a weaker townread than Oversoul, and maybe weaker than TS, even.
11. Nachomamma8 <--Town.
12. Kondi2424 <--Town.
14. Andycyca <--Most likely town.
15. Chkflip <--Strong townlean.
16. Mcqueen <--Strong townlean.
17. Bunnylover <--Seemed town before.My academy.
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Thinking this through...In post 113, mastin2 wrote:My list boils down to this, right now:
TOWN: (These people are without a doubt town and if any of them were scum it'd by scummy-nom worthy)
Nacho
Kise
Kondi
mcqueen
chkflip
WEAKER TOWN: (These people are probably town)
Andycyca
Damon Gant
NULL: (These people have potential to be scum, but probably aren't)
Bunnylover
MINOR SUSPECT POOL: (These people are in the suspect pool technically, in that I still need to keep an eye on them and review what I know, but they still have an above-average chance of being town*)
BBMolla
Oversoul
Twistedspoon
MAJOR SUSPECT POOL: (These people most likely contain the entire scumteam, although it's possible they have one member in the above category.)
Matt
Pizza
Lowell
Sly
Pine
*...That made more sense in my head. They're basically "maybe-scum" (to compare, Bunny's "potentially-[but-probably-not-]scum", which makes Bunny more town, but only slightly). I can't think of a better way to put it.
TOWN:
Nacho
Kise
Kondi
WEAKER TOWN:
mcqueen
chkflip
Andycyca
NULL:
Bunnylover
MINOR SUSPECT POOL:
BBMolla
Oversoul
Twistedspoon
MAJOR SUSPECT POOL: (These people most likely contain the entire scumteam, although it's possible they have one member in the above category.)
Matt
Pizza
Sly
Pine
I actually still like this. Pine *might* need to move up, though in order to do so, someone else'd need to move down.My academy.
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Okay, so maybe BBMolla is scum after all. Since from what I know of BBMolla, well...this doesn't remind me of his townplay, either. His posts on this page are basically horribad. And I'm moving chkflip back up, after having previously moved him down, for having pointed out my concern before even I did.
(Until this post, I hadn't actually read any of page 11 or the end of page 10; I just paid attention to the votes, noticing the alarming number on BBMolla.)My academy.
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In fact.
Unvote, Vote: BBMolla.
If I did the math right (15 alive, 8 to lynch, 5 votes plus mine), this should be L-2.
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Dang it, TS, BL, and BB! (To varying degrees.)
I want you guys to be town, but you're making it incredibly difficult to beleive with your incredibly scummy interactions with one another. >_<My academy.
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Not here for long; have to leave again soon. I must say (and it wouldn't surprise me to learn I'm not the only one feeling this way), in this game, I'm kinda feeling a little bit...well, apathetic.
I might check again who was pushing for a Damon lynch D1 after his claim, though; that might get me an idea of what direction to go in.My academy.
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So I probably should be posting here again soon.
I must apologize. I kinda lost contact with most of my games in the last few days. I was...focused...elsewhere, to say the least. To the point where I kinda forgot what I was thinking in here, among others. I'll have to read from the last point I seriously contributed, and either ISO myself or look at my QT to get back into the game. Sorry for my neglect.My academy.
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Sure. If memory serves, Bunny was on my nulllist, anyway.
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Apologies for the copy-paste, but I honestly think that this game quite frankly needs it just as much, if not more:
So, I just changed my sig. Sure, I guess I could still be V/LA due to weather, but the season has mostly passed by, and I think that the space is far better used up to tell that message.
Basically, I was inspired by these threads, which made me realize something:
I originally kept on playing for the intellectual challenge. And on a related note, I've called myself the "Eternal Newbie", in that I never stop adapting, never stop changing, never stop trying something new, and am constantly evolving my play. Yet...
...Have I?
The last time I remember using logic was in Tough Guy Mafia as a hydra. Almost a year ago. Since then, I've usedreasoning, sure, but not true, good, honest. I'm seen widely as irrational. And worse, I've stagnated. My play hasn't improved in months. Despite all my efforts to the contrary, where I do a few bold moves every once and a while, I really have sunk into mediocre play in all my games.logic
So, in an effort to change both problems, I'm going to try my best to change things up a bit. I think Part of the problem is "internalization", in that a lot of things I used to do manually (tone, motive, interaction, etc.), I've done so often that they're done automatically--to the point where I can't even tell what I'm doing, and am forced to call it gut. So I'm going to try and undo the damage that has happened, to remove the decay in my play.
And this game really could use a fresh perspective, in that I've seriously lost my touch with it.
It'll take a liiiittle bit of time in my QT (which I realized that as a whole, I do not use often--I can go days, even weeks without posting in them, whereas originally I posted almost every day), to sort things through.
But I think that when I'm finished, you'll see a new and improved mastin2.
I know, it's a little close to deadline for me to make a move like this, but I do think the payoff would be well worth it if I could actually make it work. Wish me luck; this is something which...well, I quite frankly have no clue if it'll do any good. But I have to try.My academy.
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Hey.
Nacho:
Oversoul:
Pine:
Twistedspoon:
I have a proposal to make.
Nacho's a strong townread. Pine was iffy, but might be town. Oversoul's a weaker townread, as is TS.
...But the important factor here is that you're all to varying degrees, still townreads.
Why don't we all get together and form a voting block? 5 players working together has to be an incredibly strong combo. Between the five of us, there HAS to be SOMEONE who we can all agree is scum.
My best bet would be Bunny, since
...We've got three already, plus a fourth former (Nacho).Bunnylover - 5 (Oversoul, Pine, Mastin, Chkflip, Bunnylover)
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Did I think Bunny had a larger-than-normal chance of flipping scum?Nacho wrote:Do you think Bunny is going to flip scum?
Yes.
Was I sure of it?
No. Bunny was, like, my weakest scumread. A scumread, yes, around 60% sure, but was I as confident as the question implied?
No, that'd require at least another 15%.
Given the circumstances of the hammer, I don't think we did, though. It reeks all of a sudden of being a mislynch.My academy.
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Unvote, VOTE: Projectmatt.Though I'd also go for SlySly.My academy.
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Actually.
SlySly - 3 (Knox, Mcqueen, Kise)Unvote, Vote: Slysly.My academy.
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Really, now? Way I see it, you're now tied for being the primary lynch candidate, with at least one member of the Palisade bloc willing to join (Pine), with one other who has expressed suspicion on you (Nacho), andSly wrote:Running me up is going to be fruitless.attwo others who'd probably join if they needed to. (TS and Oversoul.)least
That seems far from fruitless to me.My academy.
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Oh, I fully got the implication that you were attempting to softclaim.In post 583, SlySly wrote:But this idiot town doesn't get it. 2 investigative roles down.
Thing is, I have a "hardclaim or die" policy, as I come from a generation which wassickof softclaims, which were a pretty reliable scumtell.
Heck, you're part of that generation, no? '09?
...Yeah. You'd know better than this as town.My academy.
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Actually, it was '08-'09. I really have no clue why peoplepushing the "hardclaim or die" policy, as it was standard play back in my day. (I feel old. I was around when Kise was new to the site, and was quite established as a player, even having an alt by that point in time.)stoppedMy academy.
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Case'n'point: Oversoul's Mini. I got away with a softclaim as scum, allowing me to coast by for two days without suspicion while I cooked up the details of the claim. I didn't even think of my JOAT claim 'til day 3; before then, I was thinking doctor. And had I claimed doctor, I probably woulda been lynched by kdowns. There's a reason I see it as a scumtell.My academy.
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Ah, so a claim of rolecop it is...
Yeah, he's scum, relaying his result to his buddies.My academy.
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Which question was that?Kondi wrote:Hey mastin, can you answer the question I asked you in my reads post?
Also, of course whatever post 515 is makes me look town. I'm not exactly thrilled with the thought of it (I would be if I were dead the night after it happened, a-la-Underground Mafia ), but I'm pretty much confirmed town from Sly's rolecop of me.
VOTE: Knox. Unless the scum knew Sly was a traitor, his wagon pretty much has two scum guaranteed. (Even if they did, one scum is still pretty much confirmed.) I eliminated Kise and mcqueen. That left both neighbors (which contain a MAXIMUM of one scum), and three other names: {knox, kondi, BBMolla}. knox seems the most likely.My academy.
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He rolecopped me, and said what my role was in-thread. Telling the scum exactly what I am. The only way that wouldn't confirm me as town is if I were scum, who didn't know who he was, and he also didn't know the scumteam, so investigated me, and lied about the result to help tell me, "DUDE, I'M ON YOUR SIDE!" Basically, the only way I'm not confirmed town is if BOTH the scum AND the traitor were unaware of each other. The traitor role can be done any number of ways (both know each other, neither know each other, scum knows traitor, traitor knows scum; usually, which is which depends on whether the scum can recruit the traitor by nightkilling them), but that's the only way it'd not confirm me as town. Because if I knew him as scum, and he didn't know me, then him telling me woulda been unnecessary, as I'd already know. If he knew me, then he wouldn't have investigated me--and there's no hints he investigated anyone other than me, as far as I can tell.@mastin: No, you are not confirmed by that. Sly was a Traitor, so he might not have known the scumteam.
Tl;dr, there's pretty much only one scenario where I'm possibly scum, and it's an uncommon variation on the role which isn't used often, making me pretty close to confirmed town. Hence why I'm dissatisfied that I'm still alive*.
It doesn't matter if he knew the scumteam or not. He was still saying his result to them. And honestly, it doesn't matter if the scumteam knew him or not, either, as regardless of the circumstances, he had at least one scum on his wagon, two if they didn't know him.
*Speaking of which, I need to check mcqueen's reads. He was largely seen as a townread, yes, but I need to see if he was killed for being a townread unlikely to be protected, if he was killed PR-hunting, if he was killed for his scumhunting, or some combination of the above. He's dead for a reason, though.My academy.
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Mcqueen, in relationship to Bunnylover. If Bunny were scum, killing mcqueen (one of Bunny's strongest defenders) wouldn't exactly be the smartest move. So if mcqueen died for his reads, Bunny's town. This may need looking into as well.mcqueen wrote:I AM TOWNISH? I'VE BEEN SAVING YOUR ASS ALL GAME!
Kondi-town?Meh. kondi2424's 465 is the towniest I've ever seen kondi2424. To be honest, it just leads me to think Pine and Bunnylover are both town, because neither seems extremely scummy (except the fact I dislike Pine, but going with 465, he's town).
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This was addressed to Oversoul.Why do you think we should go after Bunnylover, again, other then, "the current wagons suck?"
A lot of mcqueen's iso is dedicated to Pine, though I think when he died, he had a townread on Pine. But IF there's scum in the neighborhood, I'd say it's almost certainly Pine.
There's also some good BBMolla interaction, like here and (most importantly) here, but I can't read it either way.
Little off-topic, but
Still need to check other than mcqueen and Sly who wanted to lynch Damon post-claim.P-Edit - @mastin2 - I didn't believe Damon_Gant's claim, and I at first I kept my vote on Damon_Gant, but I later switched, for reasons including I didn't want to lynch a claimed cop, it was too risky.My academy.
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Here we go. Yeah, I think we seriously need to rethink the ol' chkflip townread that I've had since he replaced in for Chimera (who was a weak townread barely above null).My academy.
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Uh, sure. Why?In post 620, Nachomamma8 wrote:mastin do you have a minute?My academy.
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You. That's the only name I can think of not already on there which I can be 100% certain of.My academy.
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Kondi *might* be worthy of the list, but I'm not confident enough to say for certain. As for scum, there should be three or so left. My best bet's Knox for one of 'em. I'm hoping that TS and Oversoul are town, and if so, that'd leave groups of {chkflip, matt} and {Kondi, BBMolla}, probably with one scum in each.BBmolla - 1 (Twistedspoon)
Nacho - 2 (Nacho,SlySly)
Bunnylover - 3(Chkflip, Projectmatt,Andycyca)
SlySly - 8(Knox,Mcqueen, Kise, Mastin, Bunnylover, Pine, Kondi, BBmolla)
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1. Projectmatt <--Replaced Furcolow (who when he was posting, was posting in his scum meta), who replaced grifiest (who was null-to-scumlean in his posts).
2. Twistedspoon <--Replaced C-worl.
3. Knox <--Replaced Pizzadudes7.
7. Oversoul <--Replaced Foxace (had no posts).
9. BBmolla <--Replaced Chimera. (Dang, I keep getting BBMolla and chkflip's slots confused. >_<)
15. Chkflip <--Replaced Elmo (null-but-townlean), who replaced Yourheroeshero (no posts).
Those are the relevant replacements.My academy.
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So if Knox being the first and only scum on the wagon feels awkward, and you don't think Kondi's worth pushing, does that mean you think that BBMolla's scum, Nacho?SlySly - 8(Knox, [peoplelistedastown], Kondi, BBmolla)My academy.
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I still like it as Knox, 1 of {chkflip, Matt}, and 1 of {Kondi, BBMolla} (based on wagon placement), though it might be better paired off as 1 of {chkflip, BBMolla} and 1 of {Kondi, Matt} (based off of play). I think, anyway.
Right now, my best guess is Knox-Matt-BBMolla, but I dunno.My academy.
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Got an idea for a more complete scumteam, though? Kondi'd be one of three.
Which'd still leave two in the below names.
chk
matt
knox <--Who you said would be awkward.
bb <--Who you just said wasn't.
...Does that mean you see a chkflip-matt-kondi scumteam?My academy.
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Ah, okay. I'm not entirely sold on kondi (I'll need to check), but I'm on knox right now, and would join a matt wagon if it were to form.My academy.
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Hope you don't mind me leaving. I need to eat.My academy.
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Note, should also check Damon's suspects as well. He mighta been a cop, yes, but if the scum didn't fear him, he wouldn't be dead.My academy.
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