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Right I'm more or less up to date, hard to absorb 30 pages of info so I'm gonna do some isos on everyone over the next day or so and go from there.
If I were to pick a scum read based on my first skim through the thread, I'd say BC is looking pretty bad with zab showing up as scum, he tires very hard to distance himself from zab.
I want to stop short of pointing too many fos at this stage, but rofl, rob and drmyshotgun look town to me at first read. Taz was looking bad in my read but he's apparently been cleared so that seems to have shot that read down, so take these notes for what they're worth. Will post my updated reads when I've done an iso on everyone.-
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Why are we trying to fast wagon? I'm doing my isos right now and I'm making progress. Fast lynches cost us discussion and hence info. I've done a darthe iso and I'm not against his lynch, but I'd like to have everyone done before I throw my vote in.
People who are trying to fast wagon look suspicious, but it confuses me that rob is all GOGOGO because I had a town read on him as I skimmed the thread. Yet to do an iso on him though.
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In post 770, Rob14 wrote:Darthe's ISO is scummy and we have a confirmed-town tracker stating that he is one of two options on who killed Zab. SK seems likely based on balance and the roles that have already been claimed.
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Ok so I've done most of my work and I'm just left with taz and the dead, will do those guys tomorrow, getting tired and very bored.
scummy...
BC, malp, drmyshotgun
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ckd, prohawk, darthe, rofl, rob, pigeon, taz
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cheerydog, josh, paid pyro, peregrine
These are preliminary reads based on two days of isos. I might have missed important information that clears or implicates, if so please point it out.
pigeon's 735 needs to be looked at. He looks so town other than this single post, which stinks.
My scum reads, I doubt both "millers" are scum but I've never played a game with millers so I'm inexperienced in that respect. drmyshotgun is only scummy because he pretends to not know how paid pyro is after asking the mod to update the player list.
Town reads, there might be scum hiding in here, if so they're bussing hard.
Null reads, good chance of scum hiding in here.
Here's my iso commentary notes for anyone who can be bothered to trawl through them...
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ckd is angry, where I've been playing for the last two years or so, this is considered a scumtell. But then it's a small pool of players at a poker forum who play together often, so we're all more or less friends and rarely bitch at each other, so it might be a flawed read. I have him as town because of the DC trap, it seemed legit to me. Can he do this as scum? Is he angry when he's town? I can move him into scum camp if these questions are answered unfavourably for him. I have no desire to read old games after the shift I've put in today catching up, I'll have some time tomorrow.
For now I like BC or darthe, BC because it helps clear up the miller issue, which is confusing me to fuck, and darthe because he looks scummy aside from his response to taz's fakeclaim.-
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Pidgeon, can you explain your town read on cheery please? I can't get anything from an iso on him. He votes DC but avoids zab. I don't like his fos @prohawk. I'm leaning scum with him just because the remaining active players are looking town for various reasons... BC and malp, I have no idea what's going on between them but for either to be scum they made a really bad move, and darthe failing to fall for taz's fakeclaim makes him look much better. Also was it you who said peregrine is town? I'd like reasons for this too. If you can clear both of these two, that's huge progress.-
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For the record, I believe AP, not rofl. It's pretty clear there's one between them, and malp looks like one, so unless we have five scum, we've got them cornered. AP would be fucking crazy to throw a fake guilty verdict out on rofl to get him lynched, since he has no team left. So rofl is full of shit. Nice work pidgeon.-
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In post 1062, roflcopter wrote:can any of you people so happy to congratulate pidgeon on his guilty explain what happened to the scum kill night one if it wasn't shot at my bulletproof vest?
I don't know, I can only guess you guys didn't bother to NK on n1 because you wanted to be able to claim bulletproof later on. Now, please tell us why pidgeon would pull a fake verdict on you when zab and DC got dead on d1 and malp is looking fucked?
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In post 1070, AngryPidgeon wrote:Why am I doubting that malp is actually scum.
I'm pretty sure he is. The timing of his claim is just too fishy now BC has flipped town. And he has a gun after claiming miller... it doesn't look good for him.-
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In post 1239, Rob14 wrote:Third Difference: CKD has not shown up as a town read on almost anyone's lists. Rofl is a relatively strong town read for a lot of people.
I think he's town, and I think AP is scum. But if I'm wrong about one, I'm wrong about both. AP made the 4th scum comment, which doesn't sit well with me. Also he was really keen for a mass claim to happen today. That, along with ckd catching him lying, has me leaning AP out of the two. ckd, he tried to trap DC last night and caught AP today, he looks town to me. But he does look worse out of the two in iso with the dead scum, so idk.
My strongest reads are rob and drmy, both are obvtown. For that reason I'm happy to sheep them for today. If ckd flips town, my vote is on AP all day long tomorrow. I'm happy with the info a ckd lynch provide, we get scum today or tomorrow imo.
VOTE: ckd
And if ckd flips scum, I think that clears a lot of people and we're looking at darthe, peregrine, cheerydog, josh and paid pyro as our targets, possibly malp, maaaaaybe rofl. But rofl is still the only person to explain the lack of n1 kill. I don't seriously think the scum would sacrifice a kill to claim bulletproof later. Would they?
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In post 1245, AngryPidgeon wrote:Anybody else think Revs last post is scum central?
Why? Because I name you and not ckd? What if I say you're town and he's scum? Am I still scum central?
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In post 1247, Cheery Dog wrote:and AP doesn't have a gun to be clear.
Oh ffs I only just noticed this, so AP is town too. So I can't even accuse him of being scum any more. Lame.
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In post 1255, AngryPidgeon wrote:And why are you so sure we are scum/town?
Call it a hunch. At one stage I was thinking that you and rofl were scum, bussing hard, one dies and the other is loltown, but that just seems too crazy. But the way it went down earlier with you and ckd, it really felt like there was scum between you. I thought you because you were caught lying, but if cheery is honest then I'm clearly wrong.
Let's see the ckd flip before you throw the chain of mislynches thing at me. I get that point, but if you're town, I'm confident in our lynch today. You might have a case tomorrow.
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cheery... I have a scum read between them... at the time I thought AP was best lynch for town, followed by ckd... both way ahead of everyone else. AP isn't getting lynched today is he?
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Well cheery looks town to me now. I can't see him faking GS since he won't know if AP is vig or not, so I think cheery is cleared too, right?
So here's a breakdown of how I see it, feel free to correct any retardedness...
Cheery Dog - town, claim GS
curiouskarmadog - scummy, claim joat
malpascp - no idea, claim miller
Darthe* - scummy, claim vanilla
drmyshotgun - town - claim doc
ProHawk* - leaning town - claim vanilla
roflcopter* - leaning town - claim joat
Josh Lyman** - no idea
Paid Pyro - no idea
PeregrineV* - scummy, no claim yet that I'm aware of
AngryPidgeon - town - claim vanilla
The Reverend - town - claim vanilla
Rob13 - town - claim joat
So we have 13 left, 6 of which look scummy, and 6 look town, not including myself. If I put myself in the unknown quantity list, that leaves 6 towns and 7 scum potentials. If we just lynch/shoot into the 7, and the remaining scum are in the group of 7, that's a lock, right? Scum can't NK enough people to counter the lynches and vig shots, right?
I don't even care if you guys think I'm scummy. Way I see it, if I get lynched, it helps the town to win. Provided there's no scum in the 6 town, this is a town win.
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In post 1269, Cheery Dog wrote:I think paid pyro claimed vt yesterday
Which means it's just pere and josh still to claim
*isos*
So he did. He's too quiet to get any sort of read off, but surely scum posts more than 4 times? I dunno about this site, but where played before here, wolves are usually excited about their role and rarely drift by with minimal input. Some like to lie low, but not this low. But, I don't know about people at this site.-
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I didn't even realise there were three on the AP wagon lol, thought it was just ckd. Yeah now my ckd vote looks really bad. Obv not gonna flip now though, AP is a retarded lynch after cheery cleared him, but at the time I def should've voted for AP. I'd argue that as scum I'd be a lot more careful about voting for a town read when my scum read has a wagon on him too. But I can't blame you guys for giving me heat for it.-
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If AP is scum then so surely is cheerydog. Can't see it myself, unless they think both of them can cruise to the end dripping on town cred. Only takes a lynch of one to nail them both, so doesn't seem very optimal. I'm happy AP is town.
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Yeah last time you were here we were all having a smoke and some lulz while we danced over BC's corpse, then he flipped town and everyone was all "fuck", then we all had a nice sleep and dreams about helicopters and giant pigeons, then we woke up to find a dead taz and someone dropped a thermobaric weapon on the thread and everyone started to make wild claims about this and that and omfg which led to a massclaim and basically the net result is ckd is scum so vote for him and read up from your last post because it's a fucking insane read.-
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Pyro, I replaced scooby. As for my drunk posts, they were posted when I was indeed drunk. You can question my motivation, maybe even my honesty, but I don't see how you can say "I don't believe in drunk posts" because I've made tons of posts as both villager and scum when drunk. It's a null tell when I do it so you're correct to not give me town cred for making such posts. But it's hardly worthy of note either.-
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In post 1481, Darthe wrote:Well fuck. Totally don't know how to work this place yet.
I appreciate the effort. Yeah [spolier=] tags instead of, and preview before submit.
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cheery, I gotta be honest I'm not following you. Your logic is flawed by virtue of me being town, but since I can't follow your logic I can't really show you why it's flawed.
And AP, you're leaning mislynch. I'm not gonna go ballistic defending myself because we can afford the mislynch and lynching me would be progress because I'm an unknown quantity and I don't want to get mislynched at lylo. But malp or darthe is the scum, probably malp. If you get through me malp and darthe and still no scum, well look hard at cheery. That could potentially be a smart gambit, chance of backfiring vs a vig but more than likely not, and he looks good for confirming a townie. I don't think cheery is scum, but if it's not malp or darthe, then I'll start to believe it. Just bear this in mind if it gets to lylo and I'm dead.-
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Sorry guys I'm trying to keep up.
What's so odd about PP's comment? Seems to me he's talking from the context of goofball being scum... if she's scum, then everyone else is town, right? So why would scumgoof push so hard for one townie when it's gonna be easy to lynch another? I don't see anything wrong with that sentence.
But I can maybe explain why it would be good scum motivation to push the lynch of someone not <malp darthe>... if neither of these two are scum, then the scum would want them around for as long as possible, because if these guys are villagers and still here when scum needs two mislynches to win, then scum winning is viable.
I don't think goof is scum, I don't see anything wrong with PP's comment, and I think we should be lynching darthe or malp because if we leave these guys around, we increase the chances of scum actually winning this.
I'll admit I haven't been putting in as much effort as I could have. I got complacent thinking we had this locked long ago. This doesn't seem as clear cut as it did, so I'm gonna pull my finger out and try to help find the scum.
If it's not one of <darthe malp cheery> then it's effectively lylo already if we lynch away from these guys.-
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Wasn't expecting to see rofl die, but thanks scum, he had the largest iso that needed reading.
darthe...
Early on, he's pointing fingers at ckd for defending zab.
966 - here starts a strange exchange between darthe and pidgeon... darth posts a list of potential vig suspects, names CKD, AP and CD, pidgeon posts "what?" at the CKD, darthe backtracks and says "Whoops! Meant to Put CD and accidentally slid that K in there lol, then I put it correctly after that."... next post he says "Also, I am assuming you only ask because CKD hasn't particularly been high on my scumdar?"...
This feels awakward
His reaction to the claim on him was good, and coupled with his earlier push for two scum, he doesn't look too bad in iso. I'm not sure about darthe, I think arguments can be made for either scum or town. I can accept his death today.
malp...
First post claims miller. The timing of this is interesting... page 5, at the time, zab was being wagonned and dc + ckd were both getting heat. The 2nd miller outing naturally points a suspicious finger at the 1st miller claim, and totally derails the conversation into a clusterfuck of miller talk, while cranking the pressure on BC.
His posts seem awkward but this can be explained by him getting a shitty role and a whole heap of finger pointing.
I'm on the fence with malp. I think the timing of his claim is the single most damning piece of evidence against him, but it's circumstancial. He's my preferred lynch today because letting him live to lylo makes it too easy for scum to claim miller, but I'm not gonna be overly shocked if he does flip miller.
paid pyro...
13 posts in total. Total waste of space. No votes for any confirmed scum. This could well be our man, trying his hardest to fly under the radar while we all wag fingers. His first post includes "Darthe, dermy, prohawk = scum" while leaning scum with ckd.
pmysterious gave us nothing also.
Scummy as hell.
pro hawk...
iirc, he was tracked by ckd. Quick to point out inconsistencies in zab's posts, which played a huge role in his face getting blown off. Also votes DC on d1, and ckd on d2. All in all, he's looking pretty obvtown to me, unless he's awesome scum and is bussing hard.
Town.
goofball...
Josh gave us nothing. Goofball comes in and starts pointing fingers from the off. She seems pretty pro-town to me, but again, maybe she's just very good at playing scum.
Leaning town.
Reads after reading isos -
probably scum - paid pyro
potential scum - darthe, malp
town - rob and pidgeon obv, probably prohawk and goofball-
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Yeah I know ckd was scum, I was merely jotting notes. I assume ckd did track or rb him though since ckd was joat and it would be risky to claim a no-action track on someone who might have acted that night.
Why is PP town? Honestly, reading his iso, I couldn't get anything. I understand that reading an iso means you lose a lot of context, but he's floating by and hasn't pressured any of the confirmed scum.
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Well I just started reading PH's iso again and immediately saw that he was the one who started the assauly on zab. For him to be scum he's bussing hard at a time he doesn't need to.
I guess he could be scum, but he's top town read for me after rob and pidgeon.
Yeah I'm not gonna be on the PH wagon any time soon.
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In post 1798, Paid Pyro wrote:Actual rev you're such a *removes vulgarity*. Day one I wasn't here to vote. Zab NKed. The CKD was lynched prior to my thread Re-read, since I was way behind. Also, if im scummy why didn't you vote me? How about you soft push me some more.
Aw come on, the point of the game is to find scum, and one tactic I employ is to prod people. Soft push? Blatant prod, more like. I'm a removed vulgarity because I'm trying to put some pressure on you so you can add to your impressive post count and give us some reads? Really?
I didn't vote for you because it's still early in the day. AP is insisting you're town, I asked him to explain why and was waiting for his response before I decided if I should press for your lynch. If he can convince me I'm wrong, then I won't prod you any more and you can go back to doing nothing productive.-
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In post 1810, Paid Pyro wrote:You're just a lazy as I am but at least I'm not ashamed to admit it.
I think maybe you should read my recent posts before you suggest I'm not willing to accept my own failings.
Why are you trying to push me into voting for you? What difference does it make if I wait for you and pidgeon to respond? I'm in no hurry, we got over a week haven't we?
You want to see if others will join in.
If you really think this, then I would suggest you're voting for the wrong person. Surely if I'm testing the town's willingness to lynch you, that's scum motivated right? Why would you say this when you're voting for prohawk?
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Pyro - it wouldn't be an emotional vote, it would be one based on your read that I'm reaction baiting the town and not you.
You don't seem to be making sense. Either you have doubts about me that you refuse to acknowledge, or you're scum trying to implicate as many town as possible.
I'm not ready to vote for you yet because I still need to do a rofl iso and try to figure out why he was picked off instead of rob or pidgeon. It's quite a task that requires motivation. Like I say, we've got plenty of time. I don't see why you're pressing for votes this early. I've said who I think are town and who I think might be scum, it's not like I'm trying to protect my hand.
My gut says it's not prohawk. We're at odds.-
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