NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[MrZepher]

VOTE: ActionDan

Lynch all lynchers

[MrZepher]

y u have to be so meta?

[MrZepher]

I didn't see that one coming a mile away.

[MrZepher]

I less inclined to believe his claim so early in the day granted that it's RVS.
If he could somehow provide more information to substantiate his claim then I'd be willing to hop on board. So far it just came off as RVS shenanigans to me.

In the meantime I'll stick with my not-so-serious vote.

[MrZepher]

I was responding more that I was 80% sure Dramonic was going to vote me during RVS because it's Dram and we're friendlies.

Interesting that of all the things I've said so far THAT'S the thing you find suspicious.

[MrZepher]

I'm willing to believe the PGO claim for now for specifically the example ActionDan stated. I feel like it'll have to be approached at some point though.

I agree. This is borderline admittance that "Hey, I'm nervous scum that has already said things you should be looking at, why are you suspicious of me over this quote?"

No. I was saying that of all the things you could nitpick at why pick the most easily admissible one?
I love having words shoved into my mouth though. Thanks for that.

[MrZepher]

2) How are any of the other things you've said so far suspicious?

At the time I figured people would react more to "Y u so meta" than me poking funnies at Dram.

I don't like the ZONEACE wagon. It's pretty obvious he's town.
Just dumb.

wind-up has to go before LYLO, just sayin.

Barring outstanding town play you mean? Or is there some sort of policy you feel like sharing.

Also I'm curious as to why Smashbard was so quick to drop his vote on me in favor of ZONEACE.

[MrZepher]

lynch all socially irrelevant forms of transportation?

[MrZepher]

Huh. Sorry I slept all day otherwise I would have posted sooner.

@Bacde: I try too hard to be funny in all my games :/

I feel like KingdomAces vote on Bacde is either a legitimate attempt at pulling us into proper discussion but it's a silly vote for a silly reason
Or it's a blatant attempt at misdirection to draw people away from the Go/HD thing. Which tells me that the Go/HD thing is not a townvstown argument.

I think Go has some valid points that are clouded in frustration.
HD is just being HD.
At this point either could be scum if one of them isn't town.

Also I get how Smash uses his votes now. I was really confused as to why he was jumping around so much @-@

[MrZepher]

Oh woops. I saw the name with the vote tag and assumed it was a vote.

blargh.

[MrZepher]

I think ZONEACE has a posting restriction.
Or he's being weird. One of the two.

NS's meta is the only reason why I don't have a vote on him. He's one of the players that tend to post really scummy even as town and thus is difficult to read.
I will say his votes so far have been... less than appealing... very opportunistic... I'll reexamine my read.

[MrZepher]

Why does wind-up sit as null-scum?

[MrZepher]

I thought wind-up's post about Go vs HD looked VERY townie, especially when Wind-up pointed out the awkwardness of Go/Zepher interactions

The only thing that is potentially scummy about wind-up is the PGO claim

[MrZepher]

It's really easy to misconstrue Bacde's playstyle as being scummy.
He throws everything out in the open with a lot of sarcasm. The fact that it's so obvious what he's doing and there are votes on him make me do this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Greygnarl
Follows up shitty content with one of the worst votes I've seen thus far.

[MrZepher]

Get a room pls

[MrZepher]

Explain?

[MrZepher]

Based on what?

[MrZepher]

I didn't quite understand your post #205 Bacde. I asked you to explain but you didn't. I'm going to assume that you missed it since it doesn't seem relevant to hold it against you.

I should clarify that I don't know if you have a town or scum read on Grey and if the statement in question makes him look less like town or more like town.
Basically "Makes you wonder if he's town" in which direction?

[MrZepher]

@Bacde I needed that clarification thanks.

@Smash
1. I don't play town like most people which has brought me much criticism (see join date)
2. Subjectivity based on incorrect information. I didn't expand on it later because I didn't see the point.
3. That's me being stupid. I forget that Large normals use Open setups. Didn't think about that before posting.
4. I did go back and look at NS. My read didn't change so I saw no reason to post about it. He sits null but it looks like town NS so far.

JacobSavage who is a townread for ActionDan (along with ZONEACE and Bacde)
neither have posted in awhile. JS has poked his head in at really weird times.

[MrZepher]

Actually no. Not alright.

HEY NS. GIMME SOME READS BUDDY.

[MrZepher]

Fair enough. I'll try harder for you Smash bby<3
I actually agree though. This game is not difficult to read (unlike a certain themed mini that I was just in... HD knows @.@).

NS you have a townish read on me. Why? It seems out of place.
Rofl just made himself look scummier but it's probably just reaction fishing. I'll be back after looking at him closer because I haven't yet.

ActionDan is lurking. I've seen him post elsewhere.
Or he's just ignoring the thread.

[MrZepher]

i actually don't have to read anything leading up to now to know that my vote is in the right place

No. Bad. If you had bothered to read you'd know how garbage your vote on Bacde is.
Since then it's just been cheap justification based on largely subjective reasoning.

hmmmm

[MrZepher]

OMGUS noted.

[MrZepher]

I was sitting on my vote debating whether or not I like it on Grey more but I think Bacde's opinion has merit.
Which makes this seem like a more aesthetically pleasing spot....

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Roflcopter

inb4 he says he's trying to reaction fish.

[MrZepher]

I never specified before which I believed because it was based off of KingdomAces having voted Bacde.
At the time I was inclined to believe it was an attempt at misdirection but KA pointed out that it was an unvote, not a vote, which sort of shit on my idea.

I should have clarified that when I said whoops after KA clarified for me.

[MrZepher]

If ActionDan's reads haven't changed he apparently has a town read on JS which seems weird to me considering the lack of posts.

[MrZepher]

I have a great idea. Let's have everyone who is on the Zepher & Bacde wagons come together and lynch Greygnarl.

While grey is okay...
Roflcopter or ActionDan are looking better.

[MrZepher]

Wait what?

That's not a good assumption to make.

[MrZepher]

The fact that you even just said that means he can come in and claim that's what he did and give him an out to otherwise scummy behavior.

You voted Greygnarl for scummy posting, and vote him.
As soon as other people start joining your vote you back off and say he's town, and then you give him an out?
You buss your partner and then immediately backtrack when you realize that you've brought attention to somebody who could have otherwise skated by.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bacde
when he flips scum we go after Grey tomorrow.

[MrZepher]

^^He could have claimed that's what he did as of #210

I even explained why I didn't think grey was scum in that post, to which you asked clarification, to which I obliged. Yet you didn't think it was scummy until just now for some reason?h

BUT HE DIDN'T. That's my point here.

If you recall I agreed with you that it could have just been a reaction fish, however it didn't seem scummy until you turned around and answered your own question with 0 justification.
If I recall correctly your original conjecture was that Greygnarl saying he knows you're scum was a reaction fish. You asked him if it was and even though he hasn't answered you're assuming that he did, THUS assuming he's town?

Based on what exactly?
What do you know that we don't?

[MrZepher]

*sigh*

I'll get back to this Bacde.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dramonic

[MrZepher]

Cool. Bacde's still probably scum though.

[MrZepher]

It's more bearable if you don't take it personally.

[MrZepher]

BTW I'm not certain of how I read greygnarl anymore now that he admits to "shitposting" instead of legitimate reaction testing

Aw. You seemed so sure of yourself.

[MrZepher]

That came off as really condescending. I'm sorry.

[MrZepher]

Dram's straight up avoiding this game.

Pls lynch.

[MrZepher]

Wtf does the video have to do with anything.

His interaction with you makes me wonder if he's scum.
One of last couple of posts makes me think he's town though. I thought he was town prior to his interaction with you.

[MrZepher]

Do you know that dramonic doesn't have crippling computer issues?

It doesn't matter if he does or doesn't have crippling computer issues. He can still be active in this game.
I know for a fact that he has the means to be active in this game and he's choosing not to.

As for lynching him WHY for any town reason would he choose to not participate instead of just replacing out?

[MrZepher]

ActionDan, why do you think JacobSavage is town?

[MrZepher]

Okay can we lynch this guy now?

that was not a good vote. at all.

[MrZepher]

So wait.

You don't pay attention to the game, you avoid posting for who knows how long
And the first thing you do when you come back into the thread is vote possibly one of the most obvtown players in the game
For what's basically a shitty reason, and comes off as pretty OMGUS.

Ignoring the thread is plenty valid reason to be suspected.
Which says a lot about the people who are sitting here trying to defend you.
I'm curious how many of your buddies are sitting on my wagon...

[MrZepher]

I... what?

I don't even have any idea what to make of that honestly.
My immediate reaction is to think scum but wtf.

If you're town and you know you're town then what does my alignment have fuck all to do with yours?
In my head you're only saying that so when I flip town you're off the hook based on some dumb AtE post which based on the general mood of this game people will eat up like candy.

[MrZepher]

ebwop: i may or may not be drunk posting. lol.

[MrZepher]

Zepher, do you have anything to say about the multiple posts regarding you that were actually sensical?

which ones?

[MrZepher]

Also, the "How is voting someone you think is town a scumtell" question applies to you as well.

It's not the action it's the context. I don't think I would have minded as much if he hadn't voted in the way that he did. It just felt like he was trying to redirect attention.
Make sense?

And I think Smash is town because he's shown the least intention out of anybody else in this game save like wind-up (who only sits below Smash due to the PGO claim). Trollie is probs town too just really misguided but I honestly don't blame him. I know how my playstyle reads to most people.

Out of curiosity what are the odds that there's both a vig and a PGO in this game?
Thinking about Wind-up's claim made me start hypothesizing. It might be too early for that so stop me if I'm getting ahead of myself here.

predit: sorry, I fell asleep while typing this originally. I was going to submit this like 10 posts ago.

double predit: thanks dram >.>...

[MrZepher]

I mean you can read any game I'm in ever. It's all the same story lol. I'm just a really awkward player which is why the argument that my interaction with Go was akward seems dumb to me.
Of course it's awkward. I'M awkward.

I didn't respond because I never noticed that you had an argument against me since it's bolded inside of a quote of a post I wrote.
If you're going to do that I suggest using a different color than black for readability.

be back in a second.

[MrZepher]

You don't pay attention to the game, you avoid posting for who knows how long

we already know this, we should agree that this is not scummy in and of itself, but he just wants to remind us of the objective facts so that when he pulls shit out of his ass later we say, "oh yeah but he was speakin the truth"

1. I was bringing up the context of the situation. this matters if you're unknowledgeable of how to find intent.

And the first thing you do when you come back into the thread is vote possibly one of the most obvtown players in the game

Smash is not obvtown, nor has that been discussed at all to my knowledge, so don't go making an offensive gesture about his read, if you want to help town, figure out why dram has a scumread on someone u think is town

2. I'm entitled to my opinion. The fact that nobody has brought up his apparent scumminess seems to me like people generally think he's town. The fact is Dram already brought up why he thinks Smash is scum and it's shitty reasoning.

For what's basically a shitty reason, and comes off as pretty OMGUS.

i dont think it was a shitty reason, saying avoiding a thread=scum is a really bad argument and anyone who is pushing that hard for a lynch, especially this early, should be looked at closely as possible scum.

3. No it isn't. Do you even see what I'm trying to do here?

Ignoring the thread is plenty valid reason to be suspected.

no it isnt, because without dram's response we had no reason to believe it wasn't just that dram had forgotten he was in the game, or that he wasn't prioritizing the little online time he did had somewhere else

4. No that's garbage. How do you FORGET you're in a game? And how am I supposed to believe he can't participate in this game when I SEE him logged into a video game we both play? <- this has already been brought up as well which tells me you're not reading something.

Which says a lot about the people who are sitting here trying to defend you.

Oh, btw, let this be clear: I am not defending dram at all. I am merely attacking those who are pushing the dram wagon for being opportunistic fucks

5. You're definitely white knighting. I would have dropped the issue if he didn't come into the thread acting like scum.
Let me be clear here: I'm not a big fan of the lynch all lurkers policy. Otherwise JS and Kdowns would be getting just as much attention from me. It's the fact that Dram lied as justification to not do shit here. I think that's BS and deserves to be called out on.
He's finally in the thread which means the purpose for the original wagon is served. Now he's acting like scum and you're defending him for what reason?
Do you think he's town?

I'm curious how many of your buddies are sitting on my wagon...

this is just deflection

6. That's just like, your opinion man. I am legitimately curious how many scum are sitting on my wagon though, even if they aren't necessarily partners with Dram.

in conclusion: Zepher = scum for pushing this

7. I'm not the only one on this wagon hurr durr. You're tunneling me, but I'm not the only one pushing this wagon sir. I'm just one of the only people attacking Dram for his opinion on Smash. Your conclusion doesn't match your argument. Please take a look at the people who haven't bothered to address their vote since Dram has reentered the thread.

Sorry. Shitty formatting bodes future shitty formatting.

[MrZepher]

Smashbard's entire line of reasoning in regards to my evil-lies-of-doom-what-is-this lack of post in this game is ludicrous an scummy. He's seriously trying to pull association tells because not everyone shares in his idiocy, how is it a bad vote?

Point out to me which associative tells you are speaking of pls.
I keep think that you're talking about the blatant buddying with Bacde, or obv-jokes with others.

I'm wondering if Bacde could be a third party.

[MrZepher]

keep wondering zepher

I'm starting to hope you get vig'd instead of me.

[MrZepher]

I wasn't. I just know that's it's very likely that I will be.

[MrZepher]

nice attempt at a misrep though. That's clever.

[MrZepher]

no wonder no one wants to catch up in this game

lets just lynch zepher and

hope some of the more annoying people get killed overnight

who do you think should get killed tonight?
Just out of... morbid curiosity.

[MrZepher]

I'm asking you a question about your reads. What's there to divert from? You sheeped onto a bunch of shitty votes somewhere in the midst of the rest of your shitty posts. Nothing to divert from.

[MrZepher]

So you're actively choosing to not do anything inherently helpful?
k.

So because I put silly flavor around my question it makes it any less valid?
You're avoiding the topic. Why?

[MrZepher]

Is nobody else going to chime in on the ROFLCOPTER thing?
Really?

Also JacobSavage should post something while he's reading the thread

predit: Another shit-post from Grey...

[MrZepher]

ISO ZONEACE if you want to see how a helpful townie should act

oh wait ZONEACE hasn't done more than I have nvm

meanwhile in ActionDan and JacobSavage

[MrZepher]

Ah, so information instead of analysis on top of lack of scumhunting.

Let's lynch dramonic.

Basically sums it up

[MrZepher]

Idk what the vote count looks like so I'm not going to vote for the sake of not accidentally hammering
I'm willing to hammer too if that's where we're at.

There'll be more time to look at Dram tomorrow I suppose.

@mod: VC pls

[MrZepher]

Woah that escalated quickly

I killed Trollie based on an argument that I already answered for? If I recall he never responded to it either (could be wrong, haven't checked to be sure).
Like I know I'm not the towniest looking person but wtf. Use brain.
I seriously would have picked Rofl over Trollie in a heartbeat if I were scum and were picking off people who were suspicious of me (which is like, half the town mind).

[MrZepher]

Who said you killed Trollie? Depending on how many scumpartners you have, any one of you could of been the killer.

Your explanation as to why you wouldn't of killed Trollie anyway is purely WIFOM. And not the good kind of WIFOM that actually makes people think. Just the "Take my word for it" kind of WIFOM, which is never town.

Do you even have a counter wagon to suggest? Any case developed as to why you believe so and so is scum?

Nobody said I killed Trollie. You missed my point.
I'm saying that based on your argument there's no reason for me to have wanted to kill Trollie. If I actually was his only scumread then killing him would only bring attention to myself (which is bad), and second I had no reason to be afraid of him anyways because he never readdressed his case on me after I answered for it.

There's no motivation for me there so I don't really see what you're getting at.
Roflcopter's and JS' votes on me are garbage unless one of them is a cop and got a guilty which I'm 100% sure didn't happen.

Bacde is town btw. I still think he could be a serial killer though. Unlikely at this point but it's a fun thought to entertain.

mrzepher who is mafia

JacobSavage
maybe Dram, need to look at the Grey flip more
Zoneace maybe
Wind-up maybe

The first two are the ones I'm willing to look at more in the immediate future. The latter two are hunches.

[MrZepher]

Actually I'm going to do this
VOTE: JacobSavage

iso pls and tell me you don't think he's scum.

[MrZepher]

Rofl is probably scum with JS.

[MrZepher]

I've voiced my opinion of JS since yesterday. Deal with it.

[MrZepher]

zepher, why did you bring up the idea of a serial killer in post 658?

I brought it up recently in order to see what anybody else though.
It's more than likely there isn't a third party and I'm just crazy.

I have to read up on the last two pages, I just remember this question being directed at me. bbl.

[MrZepher]

smash is town
konowa is town

idk how to read PV
same with NS

lets lynch JS.

[MrZepher]

refrigerator?

[MrZepher]

Rofl telling somebody else to learn 2 maf when he has yet to do anything except vote me. lel.

Smash is town. Bacde is town.
Bacde could be scum but it's doubtful.

Also the apologizing for being condescending thing, I remembered Smash's post about people being douches and making the game unfun and I remembered another game that I'm in where people were being douches and making the game unfun so I figured I'd apologize so the game wouldn't be stressful. It wasn't motivated emotion, it was legitimate emotional response.

[MrZepher]

I'm patiently waiting for people to join me on the JS wagon.

[MrZepher]

I originally voted him to see if he'd do or say anything. A few days of watching him come in and out of the thread tells me he's hiding something.

I think he's scum.

[MrZepher]

basically

[MrZepher]

I'll check his meta then.

[MrZepher]

Random voting without any justification seems to just be the tone of the day.
Actiondan apparently has had a town read on JS since day one for no real reason so I doubt he's appreciative of the wagon I'm trying to push.

Metacheck says that JS is always like this.
I'd be willing to join the Actiondan wagon and then go after JS again if/when he flips scum.

[MrZepher]

So you're on my wagon because it's the only lynch you think will go through today? How am I not supposed to think that's scummy as fuck?
Clarify pls.

dude if I could play like this as scum and get away with it I'd be doing it every damn game

wifom

[MrZepher]

3 of the people on my wagon have been asked at least once to explain their vote and they haven't.

Asking for reasoning there seems to be a lot to ask for.

[MrZepher]

From the looks of it this is town PV

Do you have a comprehensive and well-thought-out list of reasons as to why bacde is scum?

[MrZepher]

Yes I do otherwise why would I ask?
If you recall I have a town read on Bacde at the moment so you're going to need to try harder than that.

My read on HD is slowly leaning towards scumville with the willingness to vote konowa

predit: ninja'd on the konowa thing...

[MrZepher]

Probably not

[MrZepher]

Gut read based on meta.

[MrZepher]

1v1s are entirely anti-town so I would suggest against that.

@PV 658 not much has changed. I'm concerned about wind-up these pages.
Also it's honestly just going off of what I saw from fairly oddparents mafia... which in hindsight is probably a bad game to choose from.

[MrZepher]

So there's a wagon on me because I was being tunneled by somebody who's case on me was pretty not well thought out.

huh.

[MrZepher]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

Yeah I agree.

[MrZepher]

Oh deadline is today. Hmmm

[MrZepher]

I don't normally pay attention to deadlines.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zoneace

Since I know that a zephyr lynch ends with a town flip this seems like the better choice...

[MrZepher]

The fact that he's an alt is irrelevant in terms of whether he's town or not.
That's information that exists outside of this game and doesn't give us much in terms of his motivation since there's no existing meta for him.

The latter half of this page is kind of trash can discussion because of that.
That's my opinion.

Wind-up what's with the vote change? I honestly haven't read through your whole thing with Oversoul yet so if you pointed it out there, my bad.

[MrZepher]

vanilla town