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In post 731, Nobody Special wrote:MAYBE???
Literally haven't read anything save for the potential slip by NS But if it is this comment could be NS trying to tie himself to someone
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In post 680, Smashbard wrote:Lynchers and Lynchees are strictly non-normal. Thus probably would not be allowed in this set up.
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In post 821, wind-up wrote:It's really vague.
I'll answer your questions if you answer mine. I'll put real effort to this game come Wednesday. Until then, everyone is just going to have to wait.-
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In post 833, dramonic wrote:my minimeet is now over, i now have time to devote to this game
There was a minimeet?
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In post 814, Oversoul wrote:VOTE: Zone
I am perfectly comfortable with this on an ethical and a logical level.
Explanation:
One of the things that I look for in terms of scum hunting is a concept that I like to call cohesion.
To put it simply, cohesion is the amount of collaborative effort made into the game cross checking the type of effort made.
In most cases, town are generally more willing to work with other town because they don't have the entire picture and depending on the player will be anywhere from below average post count to above average post count. Mafia members can do this as well, but their approach is generally sycophantic or vitriolic. We must not forget that the type of player is very important in determining whether someone's cohesive efforts is town aligned or mafia aligned as that is half of the standing. Some will call this meta, I think it is much more simple - looking at the player's posts in questions and analyzing amount of scumhunting that can be derived from their posts.
In Zone's particular case, I think he operates at the end of vitriol. However, I also think that he is using the town's divided nature in addition to the general apathy for the game to create an irreparable schism among the townies present.
I will now go into detail analyzing his posts to describe this mentality.
Spoiler: Reasons
Given the Standing of Zone as a player who likely has a lot of experience, I find his play to be scum motivated as I illustrated through the quote strips. I know it is long, but please bear with me I really think that the substance is there and I encourage everyone to vote Zone. I think he has a better chance of flipping mafia.
In post 824, Oversoul wrote:In post 821, wind-up wrote:It's really vague.
I'll answer your questions if you answer mine. I'll put real effort to this game come Wednesday. Until then, everyone is just going to have to wait.
I guess this won't be happening anytime soon.
Also, where isKonowa? I see him posting in other games, but not here... What is up with that?-
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Could you explain this to me, Pere? I'm reading in context and I still don't understand the reasoning.-
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In post 867, wind-up wrote:I don't think I've ever read anything containing as much bullshit as Oversoul's #865 does. Christ almighty.
In post 868, wind-up wrote:And no, you don't get to know who I'm an alt of. That would defeat the purpose.
In post 869, wind-up wrote:Oversoul, you are so clearly starting with the conclusion that ZONEACE is scum and working backwards instead of reading his posts and then coming to the conclusion that he's scum.
Just because you agree with the reasoning does not mean that my reasoning is incorrect. I see that we are approaching from two different ideological fronts and I should explain to clarify.
There are two ways to approach evidence and hypothesis building in my opinion - deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning.
Deductive reasoning starts with a hypothesis (scum or town) and then looks at the case (player).
Inductive reasoning starts with the case (player) and then looks at the hypothesis (scum or town).
While it appears that I may be biased in my case, I created it to be the most clear cut way to present the information. I didn't include any doubts that I personally had because that could give scum leverage to either stop a lynch or influence other people's opinions and overall create an atmosphere of uncertainty that we don't need as town right now.
I did not go into making the case without examining the actions of others first. I read over the thread and picked out specific players based on their posts. I then read over them individually and concluded that Zone was the best person to investigate first based on his angrier style of play. I know that some players have a naturally prickly side to them, but I wanted to determine if that was in Zone's nature or if this was motivated by some other factor.
I looked over his posts without thinking that all this meant was conclusively scum. I looked at his posts holistically and determined from his posts that he was most likely scum. I used inductive reasoning in EXAMINING Zone but I do admit that it is slightly deductive in PRESENTING Zone. However, that does not discredit my case because I did follow inductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that Zone is scum.
While the points may be more "out there" I still feel they hold merit. From my experience, analyzing the motivations of players serves as the best indicator of whether or not someone is scum. That is what I did with Zone.
I appreciate discrediting my case and I by calling it bullshit without ever explaining why.
Why exactly are you even playing this game? Typically as an alt, people create them to test out a new playstyle, or they are bored and want to have fun with a post restriction, or they want escape old meta. For whichever reason, though, alts are typically not announced as alts and only announced as alts. If you wanted to escape a meta, why announce you are an alt? If you wanted to test a new playstyle, why announce you are an alt and taint people's view of that playstyle? If you are bored and wanted an alt, why not reveal your original account?
Not only is withholding your original account's name disrespectful and against the spirit of the game, but it is also anti-town. Are you familiar with UberNinja's play as DJ-PON3 in the most recent My Little Pony Large Theme? Knowing a player is sometimes crucial to examining their actions.
I also suggest that you read this thread before continuing to post so you realize the implications of your actions.
In post 870, ZONEACE wrote:So OS, I'm suspicious because I'm snarky? Almost every point you raise against me is in response to a post where I was being a sarcastic bitch.
I hate to break it to you Hun but that's just my personality, so at best it's a null tell.
Re: the "role fishing"
No. I was information fishing. NS drops this multi-ball suggestion with absolutely nothing to back it up. I was trying to get him to provide a context for his hunch. It was pretty clearly protown behavior.
Also any attempt to read me and make a case based on current site meta is pointless. This is my first Large Normal in probably at least 5 years and my first non-marathon game (that I didn't flake on) in 3ish
Predit. Wind-up's response is fairly concise.
So your personality is to be abrasive, divisive, and largely aggrevate other players? I guess I could always vote you using your own cop out logic "I don't care if you are town or scum, your actions determine that you must go".
While it may be in your opinion a "clearly protown behavior" it wasn't. I guess you might be right that my case does not apply to you based on current site meta, but "caught for the wrong reasons" certainly does.
Okay.
I plead you all to vote Zone.
Nothing that he has brought up disproves my assertions.
Zepher can be dealt with tomorrow once more information is available.-
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In post 968, wind-up wrote:In post 967, Oversoul wrote:Why exactly are you even playing this game? Typically as an alt, people create them to test out a new playstyle, or they are bored and want to have fun with a post restriction, or they want escape old meta. For whichever reason, though, alts are typically not announced as alts and only announced as alts. If you wanted to escape a meta, why announce you are an alt? If you wanted to test a new playstyle, why announce you are an alt and taint people's view of that playstyle? If you are bored and wanted an alt, why not reveal your original account?
1) I am escaping my meta. Announcing I am an alt doesn't mean you know my meta. Announcing the name of my main would mean you know my meta.
2) I am testing out a new playstyle. Announcing I am an alt doesn't taint people's view of that playstyle. A bad playstyle taints people's view of that playstyle.
3) Why not reveal my original account? Because I am enjoying escaping my meta, and I am enjoying testing out a new playstyle.
I joined this game because I wanted to. Originally, I did not realise the mod's experience requirements would mean that people would know I was an alt. But I was fine with people knowing, anyway. Makes no difference.
Just a quick post before I begin the long drive home.
Announcing that you are an alt taints the view of your meta because people now KNOW that you have experience playing the game and will judge your actions differently. They will be paranoid about the legitimacy of your actions.
Announcing that you are an alt ties you to meta of your previous account because people will want to know WHY you are escaping it.-
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In post 1015, ZONEACE wrote:The line to say your apologies starts to the left.
It stings but I will take it. I will take it.
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I am sorry Zone.
I am going to reread this game now. While eating my humble pie.-
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In post 1050, Bacde wrote:Also I would not be surprised if Oversoul is scum, Oversoul replaced Go, right? Go "nabbing" MrZepher as scum on page 1 or two looked suspicious as hell
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In post 1086, roflcopter wrote:smash, you left out option three, which is that scum targeted me and konowa saved me because he's my bro
Do you have any proof of this?
Smash, since when was I a suspect to you..? I honestly don't remember that when you were supporting the Zone wagon that I started.-
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In post 1095, PeregrineV wrote:In post 1092, dramonic wrote:Why would I kill konowa as scum?
its not like he was pushing on me with more than the feeblest of attempts.
Like, if I were into killing my voters, id have shot wind-up already?
About the same pressure Trollie was applying and he was killed.
Dram that's literally the same thing Zepher said-
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NS I find uses very few words in his posts so that when he does say something it is for a specific reason in his mind. The fact that he hasn't come back here to try and defend himself really and instead wants to go along with this 1v1 indicates that he has probably given up because he doesn't have a good reason in his mind other than "crap, didn't mean to jump the gun".-
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In post 1198, Nobody Special wrote:In post 1195, Oversoul wrote:NS I find uses very few words in his posts so that when he does say something it is for a specific reason in his mind. The fact that he hasn't come back here to try and defend himself really and instead wants to go along with this 1v1 indicates that he has probably given up because he doesn't have a good reason in his mind other than "crap, didn't mean to jump the gun".
It is true, I am quite terse.
However, I rarely "give up." So, once I flip Town, you can lynch Oversoul after ActionDan. Just a feeling I've got.
I appear to be at L-2. I'm fine with two more people piling on, just lynch ActionDan tomorrow. An investigation into Oversoul couldn't hurt.
That would be a complete waste of any form of investigation I can tell you that right now. you're just trying to spread as much doubt as you can now-
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In post 1208, Smashbard wrote:I think Oversoul is flailing a little too much at the idea of being investigated. But it's a little late for that now. Today's lynch is gonna be ActionDan or Nobody Special. I would like Nobody Special on the chopping block because my conscious isn't gonna let me live that multi ball speculation down without a lynch at some point this game.
I'm not flailing though ;_; I'm being serious-
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In post 1223, Nobody Special wrote:
....and he's not been heard from since.
I prefer an ActionDan lynch, but I'll switch to Human destroyer to avoid no lynch. If need be.
1) moves out of the 1v1 with ActionDan
2) doesn't offer to self hammer himself to avoid no lynch
This is NS looking for anyway to avoid his own lynch. Townies as a last resort do offer to hammer themselves, NS will hammer anyone but himself. He is trying to push the spotlight away from himself.-
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In post 1337, wind-up wrote:So is Oversoul, now that the other two parties in that Day 1 dispute have flipped scum.
Why? Because I've played incredibly shitty thus far?
I would have bussed at least one of the flipped mafia as scum. It is what I do.-
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In post 1361, roflcopter wrote:vote: zoneace
the remaining scum are zone and actiondan. we're lynching zone today because i have more faith that this town will be able to pull of an actiondan lynch without me around to drive it after my inevitable death.
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I keep forgetting I am in this fucking game since it is New York and they are like the plague.
I don't like AD's response to peta's "remember this post". The discussion about rofl possibly being a cop is suspicious because it shows he was probing for further knowledge on whether or not it would be safe to vote HD or possibly even do something about rofl's alleged cop status
VOTE: ActionDan-
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