NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[petapan]

so... you are voting me because you think I am unhelpful and not because you think I am scum?

Sounds like a case scum would make to me. You have no accountability in your reasoning for voting me

Also: did you know that town are more likely to OMGUS than scum? I'll let you say that I'm more suspicious for saying this comment before I explain to you why

Dice are rolling, the knives are out. Would-be presidents are all around. I don't say they mean harm but they'd each give an arm to see us six feet underground.

Also, did you know that one day I one I'm just as happy lynching intentionally unhelpful townies as I am scum? So regardless of which one of them you are, I'm fine with my vote. You are acting in a way that seems scummy to me. If it's because you're scum, or just stupid I'm not sure, nor do I care all that much. Your actions stand in the way of a town win, so let's get rid of you.

VOTE: ZONEACE

[petapan]

hrm, yes, a 5 vote wagon in an 18 player game, he is confirmed town

fucking idiot

[petapan]

cry me a river

[petapan]

if ppl post dumb stuff i'm going to call them out on it

[petapan]

o fuck, take that back, wind-up is town for the PGO claim.

i didint like some of his posting in response to go v. HD but when i just isod him i saw the pgo claim again

how does a claim make him town


zoneace still sucks, go vs human destroyer is a boring big-dick ego fight but HD looks much better off it than go

[petapan]

Does ZONEACE suck more or less than he did when you initially voted him? Or is there no change? Did Human Destroyer look better than Go going into the boring big-dick ego fight?

"still" implies my read hasn't changed. i didn't have an opinion on them prior to that fight to my memory, i don't take notes nor do i really give a shit

really barbara walters what are you even trying to accomplish with asking me these questions

[petapan]

probably because i'm not reading half the people in this thread

[petapan]

if you expect me to try to canvas an 18 player game and win via PoE on day 1 then Go Fuck Yourself

[petapan]

hmm well i don't care about endearing myself to everyone

i post the opinions i have and don't pretend to be able to say more than i do

it's not like you've done more than sit on your bacde vote but thanks for the snark

[petapan]

why do people read this dickhead as town again?

[petapan]

I wasn't reaction testing, I was shitposting.

I love how posts like this and Petapans are just, totally OK with everyone.

May I also lurk throughout this game and post nothing but one liners and actively admit that I am shit posting (Gnarl) and refusing to participate because everyone is so much dumber than me (Peta)? It seems to be a strong indicator of being pro-town and an excellent scumhunter. So I must be playing this game all wrong.

mad

[petapan]

Oh, so mad. I've got steam coming out of my ears bro.

for real though i say exactly as much as i want to in games

http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=11534

UNVOTE:

VOTE: dramonic

fuck this guy

[petapan]

everyone QQing about this being an inactivity lynch should click that link

[petapan]

zoneace passively trying to defend this wagon while not bothering to say anything substantive is terrible, like everything he posts

[petapan]

zoneace passively trying to defend this wagon while not bothering to say anything substantive is terrible, like everything he posts

Look, we get it, your playing style is "irritated and inflamed twat that knows how to use a computer" but it's seriously getting tired. Maybe it's time to find a new schtick. Or at least a more original one.

when i said "terrible", i meant that it makes you look like scum (i also think it's bad posting but my main intent was to say you look bad)

getting super mad about it without posting any real content yourself is even more terrible

[petapan]

dude's getting worked into a lather over the weakest of barbs and uses it to avoid making real commentary to complain about me

[petapan]

Dram's straight up avoiding this game.

Pls lynch.

How is avoiding the game indicative of dramonic's alignment either way? How is posting in other games but not this one indicative of dramonic's alignment either way?

dramonic had no alignment-related motivation to avoid this thread in the first place; he wasn't under any pressure until people noticed he wasn't posting.

ahahahahahaha

[petapan]

why do ppl not post in mafia thred as mafia

i dont understand

pls halp

what do a mafia look liek?

why "lying" thieng scum-tell?

[petapan]

Why would dramonic lie about having crippling computer issues and then proceed to post in other threads?

why, indeed

i dont knopw

this is a very difficult mystrey

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: ZONEACE

i still don't like dram but not posting because he doesn't want to catch up on the thread is at least somewhere outside KILL IT WITH FIRE territory

[petapan]

will totally sheep roflcopter onto zepher at deadline, though

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: ZONEACE

i still don't like dram but not posting because he doesn't want to catch up on the thread is at least somewhere outside KILL IT WITH FIRE territory

hurrdurr

you're not even trying to look town anymore are you

[petapan]

if you ever were

[petapan]

what are the votes looking like, i read greygnarl's iso and i'm down but don't want to accidentally hammer

[petapan]

Not liking peta's afraid to hammer post. It's a shameful attempt to try to gain town points when nobody in there right mind thought I was anywhere near lynch. Especially suspicous coming from some one who was following wagons so closely at the start of the game, even reprimanding me for saying a 4 vote wagon built up quickly.

lmfao

mafiascum.net

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: greygnarl

apparently not wanting to count votes myself is a high crime

[petapan]

literally though there's 2 days left and i will join any wagon

[petapan]

mrzepher who is mafia

[petapan]

super not interested right now but i'll read and shit tomorrow

[petapan]

hi i've lapsed and i haven't been happy with how i've been playing in general so i'm going to try to change that

this is just a post so i don't get replaced i'm writing a list for later

[petapan]

please highlight the interactions b/w smash and bacde you find suspicious

[petapan]

I originally voted him to see if he'd do or say anything. A few days of watching him come in and out of the thread tells me he's hiding something.

I think he's scum.

what the hell does this even mean

are you saying you saw him reading but not posting

[petapan]

ok well clearly he feels he has nothing else to add so unless you say something to him he's not going to do anything else, i do the same thing with checking games and not posting

truthfully i get what you're saying about the guy but i checked his meta and he's this useless in literally every game so he's completely null right now

---

so i have a list of reads but now i don't actually feel comfortable posting it

that was a lot of fun

just going to write a case instead, i guess

[petapan]

Yeah, Zepher's good.

unvote

Vote: MrZepher

why is he a good vote to you

[petapan]

that's not a comment and it's not insignificant you jackass i am interested in the answer to that question (also i don't feel like reading what oversoul posted)

[petapan]

VOTE: ZONEACE

[petapan]

considering your epic meltdown arguing with smashbard calling one insult an ad hominem attack is laughable (it's not adhom btw)

[petapan]

also you never actually answered me as to what interactions between smash and bacde you find scummy

[petapan]

I was pointing out that you both ad hom'd and refused to participate. At least my fight with smash was game related. You simply called wind up a jackass and then stated you refused to read OS's post.

You are essentially worthless at this point. You're not contributing anything but nastiness


Refusing to read and only making belligerent, angry posts is ABSOLUTELY 100% anti-town behavior.

You should just replace out. The town would much better off without you.

i answered the question he was asking, it was an obnoxious question so i insulted him

you're not contributing anything yourself so lmao

[petapan]

look here's the deal: smashbard is town and has essentially already softclaimed a role that makes him town, if he's lying he's going to have to answer for it eventually but you have pushed him nonstop because you're just picking a target to tunnel and making up reasons as you go along. adding to that, your vote's parked on bacde but all your comments are directed toward smash. your entire supposition of him being scum is linking him to a player who hasn't flipped, there's no substance

"sheeping" "buddying" and "following" are vague buzzwords that are completely meaningless (and given the context of interactions between two players, probably aren't even scumtells). it's junk. you're openly ducking quoting anything because you have no ammo.

anyway oversoul's post is pretentious as hell but he's probably on the right track

[petapan]

also as a one-off thought zepher is annoying and whiny so lynching him would be hilarious but as far as scum lynches go, probably not. him calling out jacobsavage on viewing the thread and not posting is annoying but it's a thing i only see town do. so.

[petapan]

You no what. You've established you're not going to fully participate and you're being extremely nasty and clearly have no intention of replacing out. So

UNVOTE:

VOTE: peta

It's in the best interest of the town that you be gone

You almost constant ad hom/aggressively rude style plus your refusal to read fully are nothing but a detriment to the town

You got to go. Regardless of alignment.

i'm not even being nasty, you're so full of it

now you're just openly ducking me making arguments to make broad mischaracterizations as an excuse for voting me

[petapan]

hi i was out all day

UNVOTE:

VOTE: MrZepher

not really happy with this but w/e

[petapan]

zomg thanks for saving me konowa
(i'll read the dead thread soon enough to find out if you really did)

vote: human destroyer

@peta, at the end of day one, why did you not sheep me onto zepher, as promised?

i would have but i think it wasn't viable at the time i wasn't paying a lot of attention

plus greygnarl pissed me off

basically i'm shit this game and i'm going to be taking a long break after this

tbh i thought konowa was scum going into today because his read on zepher disappeared yesterday

smashbard is still town

zoneace is town (unfortunately)

roflcopter's town

wind-up is probably town

that's all i have i deleted my list because i had zepher as town and decided i should throw everything out

VOTE: human destroyer

i follow you on this at least

[petapan]

Oh right this game exists

Why am I being voted?

I'm going to take a hard look at this game tonight, but right now I have other games and homework.

Human Destroyer, do you actually think MrZepher is town? If so why. Please point out to me posts where he has towntold so I can get a scumread on you and lynch you.

Hello there word twister.

I never said I found him town. I said I found you scum.

There's a stark difference.

[petapan]

well actually nobody special reversing his read on zepher and never explaining it is kind of terrible

[petapan]

Do you lack reading comprehension or are you scum?

You being scum does not make MrZepher town. I did not defend him, I attacked you. There is far and away a difference.

I never stated, nor do I have, any sort of town read on MrZepher.

The best part is you've dodged all my questions and yet you STILL somehow believe people think you're town.

like really the early posts in his iso are all this awkward dancing around zepher because he doesn't know what to say about him

[petapan]

bacde is not posting good

[petapan]

bacde is not posting good

has he yet to in this game?

the last page is really bad is what i was going for

[petapan]

this is that part of the game where more people start voting for nobody special

I'm hesitant.

I just read Breaking Bad Mafia, and everyone thought NS was scum, and he turned out being a scum-driven mislynch.

He looks almost exactly like he did in that game.

I should also mention I caught him as scum in Newbie 1324, and I don't see the same things I saw there.

I'm not voting NS today.

If it's between NS and ActionDan

VOTE: ActionDan

do you actually have a reason for forcing this dichotomy

[petapan]

i mean that's a lot of words with 0 of them saying anything resembling "i think actiondan is scum because"

[petapan]

i don't know what to say this is agony and deadline is in 2 days and no one is reading anything anyway

[petapan]

i'd vote nobody special because he flipflopped on zepher and ducked explaining it but i call out human destroyer on not having a reason for his vote and he goes mia am i beating my head against a wall here or does no one bother to read you just vote based on how you happen to feel that day

[petapan]

it means i'm tired of people ignoring shit

[petapan]

yea that kingdomaces vote is awful

someone please hammer

[petapan]

i don't see why ns would fake a claim that awful

[petapan]

i'm awake

seriously is no one going to defect

[petapan]

VOTE: ActionDan

[petapan]

well basically everyone who was dragging their heels on that lynch

[petapan]

Dunno wat you mean Smash, your play is fine here.

I so so doubt everyone on the HD wagon read HD as scum without first knowing he was indeed scum. He was in the wrong with that HD/GO argument earlier but that would take some balls to call him scum for that.

i dont understand this post

same

[petapan]

oh he's saying someone bussed

which okay that's always a theory but he's not going anywhere with it and seems to completely miss the point of why people voted him and looks like he's trying to just make people paranoid

also smashbard it's not your fault

[petapan]

kingdomaces is effortful in his whitenoise and was super-awkward around reading zepher, plus that vote yesterday was awful. and then there's this:

Now this argument. First, I want to say that I feel that Zepher has been completely null to me so far. Yeah he's made some scummy posts, but they don't look like things scum would actually post. If you want to call WIFOM, fine. It's still nowhere near enough to have a significant scumread over. Go's frequent calls for town to shut up and quicklynch him over shoddy evidence is far more worth looking at in my opinion.

and this:

Go, I understand where the "he was thinking ahead of time about what he would be voted for" comes from. If he was actually thinking about that before he posted, then I highly doubt he would have actually posted 29. Really he doesn't make all that much sense any way I look at it, so I'm just going to go with Zepher being null for now.

and this:

Among other things, Zepher seems to have trouble being able to read. He has misread or missed too many things for someone who has actively criticized other people for not reading. As for what I think of him alignment-wise, I really can't tell. He has posted far more irrelevant things than relevant, but that's not necessarily indicative of scum. I'll keep thinking about this, but right now I'm getting nowhere.

then he finally capitulates a week later and says he'll vote him but but only gives vague reasons

Right now of the wagons, I'd join a lynch of Greygnarl, Bacde, or Zepher. I can see how any of them could be scum, and they only seem to be making the game worse. I really don't have any scumreads right now, and I really have nothing to say that hasn't already been said.

i thought the go/HD argument didn't make sense as scum vs scum but oversoul hasn't done much for me to care about him

[petapan]

in fact if you don't shoot kingdomaces i'm probably just going to vote him anyway because i just sold myself

[petapan]

welp

[petapan]

i need to reread now

[petapan]

shooting dramonic is always a pro play

lmao @ actiondan trying to sell his crap

ActionDan
Oversoul
roflcopter
JacobSavage
PeregrineV
ZONEACE
petapan
Bacde

these are people that aren't conftown

taking myself off that list and roflcopter because well obv leaves me with

ActionDan
Oversoul
JacobSavage
PeregrineV
ZONEACE
Bacde

which means i only need 1 correct townread to win the game

one of OS/AS/HD is likely scum that got left behind voting nobody special so all of them are good lynch candidates atp, any combination of scum in the other three could have forced a lynch on NS

i have my reservations about all these dudes but i think jacobsavage is probably town so i don't need to worry about reading the other guys

VOTE: actiondan

[petapan]

Rofl has no observable reasons for many of his votes.

well that's because you can't read implicitly

[petapan]

Yeah.

##Vote HD

However if this flips town for any reason Rofl gets lynched

actiondan is still scum

Is HD flipping scum or not?

Say yes and stfu

hi remember this

[petapan]

Yeah.

##Vote HD

However if this flips town for any reason Rofl gets lynched

actiondan is still scum

Is HD flipping scum or not?

Say yes and stfu

hi remember this

Yeah I do. Is there something more you'd like to mention besides presenting this interaction. Rofl was acting as if he had a cop guilty on HD. But at the same time going out of his way to take a pot shot at me, which is illogical. When pressed, he voted me, which is something no cop with a guilty would do in that position.

yeah it looks like you laying roadwork to discredit him before zepher even flipped because there was no rational reason to propose that chain lynch

[petapan]

VCA is bunk, btw

[petapan]

lmao did he really cave just like that

[petapan]

this is basically an autowin

[petapan]

its probably bacde or oversoul and he saw his partner was throwing him under the bus and gave up

[petapan]

legitimately just fuck yourself if you're actually town

[petapan]

I mean, a ZONEACE lynch does sound tempting but I'm super skeptical of roflcopter right now

his scumgame from the last time i played with him was super weak, he pushed retarded reads and avoided bussing there's nothing to be skeptical of

[petapan]

VOTE: ZONEACE

holy shit his last 25 posts are just the most whitenoise garbage imaginable it's like he's abandoned all pretense of trying to look town

[petapan]

also actiondan go to fucking hell if you're reading this, don't ever join a game with me again you piece of shit

[petapan]

I'm VT

[petapan]

hi okay this is a complete bullshit fakeclaim and a simple look at the setup should be enough to tell you that he's making it out of desperation because he knows his time is up otherwise and wants to get one more mislynch off

gunsmith is effectively a cop in this setup, we've already had 3 PRs flip + masons in an 18 player setup. that's slightly above a mini, but essentially masons are so powerful in most small setups they get used as a replacement for an investigative role, having them side by side is essentially gamebreaking given the possibility of producing a ludicrous amount of clear town

we've already had jailkeeper flip which is a pseudo-investigative role as well as bodyguard plus a dayvig, even if you discount the protective roles it would be possible to have 6/7 players cleared as town by day 4 of the game with 12 alive and a vig shot, which is literal autowin - that's worst case scenario for scum but yeah a gunsmith would be ludicrously overpowered do i need to build a case here as to why he's scum or are we just going to sheep the claim without a regard for setup balance

[petapan]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?s ... &start=325

how exactly was he a few hours late of submitting a night action when he was posting the entire time the thread was in night phase

[petapan]

fuck off with the smug scum lines

[petapan]

[petapan]

lol wow the scum did a great d1 gambit

lmao

go/HD.

wow that shit was bordering on sociopathic

bullseye

i thought we were sunk on day 1 because those two idiots couldn't keep it in their pants and it seemed primed to backfire spectacularly

i thought this game was going to be hard to win BEFORE zoneace claimed and left town with 1 scum and 3 clears in 7 alive but oversoul was pretty clutch so grats man