NY 163: Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple (Game Over)

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Metal Overlord

I shudder to even think of the contents of that hydra.

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Vote: Human Destroyer

A very interesting Hydra, no? Though tbh, if I was you,

I'd probably be voting me to

. ~KX

This hydra is now conf-scum

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE: arcangel9
VOTE: Bulbazak

Self-voting on page 1 makes the game about your ego rather than scumhunting. It's the most valuable page of the game and you turn it into a giant WIFOM contest; benefits only scum. This should be a policy lynch.

ChannelDelibird, ChannelDelibird, it rhymes with FlannelDelibird.

CDB, have you done this before as town and/or scum?

If so, link?

[Human Destroyer]

I propose an all hydra town block.

I'm not sure what to make of this. Some clarification would be nice.

A hydra is a slot made up of more than one player. A town block is when a group of townies vote together.

Hydras are always town. It is known. Ergo it makes sense that we should band together.

I'm really not sure what to make of your needing clarification for what is obviously and could only be a joke. But couple that with your earlier posts and I'll have to agree with my other head that you should go ahead and claim your partners. And I don't agree with reek reek rhymes with meek that you should be policy lynched for voting yourself. People do it, and it's really nothing remarkable, but I don't like that it wasn't the first thing you did. Your first post was meh in that it tried to make a joke and comment about me being a Waller. It wasn't until your next post that you voted for yourself, which makes your self vote look like a self conscious attempt to not vote someone else. Couple that with the gratuitous "discuss" and it falls flat. Seriously, doing something to get reactions and then asking for reactions is just as bad as voting for someone and in the same post admitting its just for pressure. And here I am reacting to it, so I'm probably just as lame. But then I look at your start date, and unless you're an alt, maybe all of this is a product of inexperience.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rachmarie

Because big wall posts about Bulbazak can only naturally lead to a RachMarie vote.

Explain?

[Human Destroyer]

Oh you're probably all wondering why I'm ignoring Bulbazak's self-vote.

It's fantastically non-indicative of alignment and I therefore don't care about it.

P-Edit: Klick <3

[Human Destroyer]

Hey Marangal.

Serra, you should know better than to ask me if I'm scum here.

I believe I lectured you on the catch-22 of that statement in the aforementioned n00b?

I think I'm going to have to reread again, but I think an RVS policy lynch vote is a bit ridiculous.

Useless post is useless.

How about some contributions, yeah?

[Human Destroyer]

Page one--Titan's town.
The BT-Bulbazak exchange is incredibly town.

ArcAngel is scum--why vote our hydra, specifically? We weren't the only hydra to have not posted, yet there was hydras who had posted. Why not a vote on Reek or Titan?

OtterHorse looks scum. Forcing heads to claim has always been something I've despised, and quite frankly, I don't think I've seen a town player ask for it. (Granted, it doesn't happen often.)

Titan's seriously, seriously town.
Also, kinda sorta have a weak townread on Robo.

>attempts to follow logic
>can't seem to

Mastin, are you scum?

Seriously, the bolded is really,

really

dumb.

I think the ArcAngel bit is joking, but I'm not sure. Confirm or deny?

I don't get the townvibes you're getting from Titan either. Clarify please.

[Human Destroyer]

BT is town I think.

VOTE: Bulbazak

WALUIGI bandwagon Time!

This is bad.

[Human Destroyer]

I'd call him town if you held a gun to my head.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm never scum.
The AA9-bit was as mentioned serious. Not as strong as I made it sound, but not as weak as you seem to think.
The Titan townvibes are pretty dang obvious; they're bleeding town with every single post.

1) Your meta says otherwise.
2) What? Why should she

not

vote you? Seriously, scum motivation for her voting of you, please and thank you.
3) Why do you suck at explaining townreads?

[Human Destroyer]

AA9 scumread is gut. Voting for a hydra is one thing. Voting for a hydra when they've done nothing to distinguish themselves from the other hydras, with the justification of it being a hydra, is entirely another. Voting for a hydra for being a hydra and giving an additional reason for why that hydra would be fine, but that's not what happened. It shows potentially-selective-scumhunting. Hence, the callout on AA9 being scum.

I mean like, really, this is such an overanalysis of a harmless RVS post it isn't even funny.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheUnderachivers

[Human Destroyer]

2) What? Why should she not vote you? Seriously, scum motivation for her voting of you, please and thank you.

We have a town PM. Scum motive for voting us found.

(In all seriousness--I've explained it. Potentially-selective-scumhunting. In the sense that she might have been singling out a player [us] while ignoring others.)

vote hydras

VOTE: The UnderAchivers

"She said vote hydras and voted me, one of the hydras, in RVS, she must be selectively scumhunting!"

That's like, as weak as my grandma.

And she's

dead

, so she's definitely not very strong.

[Human Destroyer]

Also, this is a classic catch-22.
People ask for reasons on AA9.
Give none, I'm scum.
Give them, I'm still scum.

I already told you the read wasn't strong.

I don't even know what this is supposed to be an appeal to. Emotion? I don't know if I can even call it that.

Your reasons are literally the definition of terrible. (Golden Rule: If HD can take it apart like an Oreo, it isn't good)

Yeah, I meant since, you know, Metal Sonic and all. Anyway, we really need to stop starting the game out like this.

Metal should be mainly in charge of the Hydra

, I'll post if I see anything important, otherwise, I'm gonna try and focus on my other games.

How can there be any debate about if a Hydra trying to be anonymous should be pressured or not? Unless I missed something, the more information available, the more it helps the village. Also, while I tend to support policy lynches, policy lynching over a self-vote seems kinda . . . meh.

~KX

Oh god no

KX why are you doing this

KX stahp

Also how about you give some reads boi

P-Edit: Ever heard of that thing called curiosity? That exists among players often. Oh wait, but everything has to have an alignment-indicative motivation! Riiiiiight. Even I found myself curious about the contents of the hydra.

And also, meta CAN apply to hydras if you know how to use it.

P-P-Edit: P-Edit is @ Mastcain

P-P-P-Edit: STAHP POSTAN'

[Human Destroyer]

I'm sorry, but scumread, even light, just for a person voting you, and then trying to explain the vote in other terms . . . no, just no. Not sure if stupid or scum at this point.

Mastin and Nero aren't stupid.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm getting back into this game now

[Human Destroyer]

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

I'm not even certain I'm reading this right. I'll come back with some content soon.

We're out of RVS so I'm straight up not voting as such.

THIS JUST IN:

HD v MO reads TvT

to me; agree, disagree? Discuss.

PEDIT:

TU is probtown too.

PEDIT2: I've never enjoyed ArcAngel9. Discuss.

Bolded: Metal Overlord-scum = Antilles-scum

Italicized: Why?

[Human Destroyer]

And if that I'm just saying now was shown on another page, then sorry, I skimmed the thread. I didn't intend to make more then one post, so.

VOTE: TheUnderachivers ~KX

P-EDIT: TvT?

P-EDIT2: gdi I never thought I'd say this but I think we need to post less.

TvT is town v town

You haven't seen too much posting until you've played *ongoing*

Mastin, Nero, and Arc know what I'm talking about

[Human Destroyer]

I'm not even certain I'm reading this right. I'll come back with some content soon.

Yeah you should prob do that I'm looking for someone to sheep.

(Currently accepting applications! Do YOU have what it takes to get me to sheep you? Apply today to find out!)

A TUA vote would suit you well

[Human Destroyer]

Titan, answer HD and Serra, why the Rach vote?

Still don't think this was answered.

[Human Destroyer]

Hmm.

Mastin, you never explained the Titan townread.

PEdit:

Bulbazak reads town -- already explained.
Lean town on you and TU (think overdoing it is more likely from town).
Ms Marangal's post seems like scum.
Not much else notable.

Don't get your TUA townread at all. "Overdoing it is more likely from town" is pretty vague and bad. His reasons for scumreading both Arc

and

OtterHorse were literal shit. Why is he town?

Ms Marangal's post looks relatively normal for what I've seen from her. What makes it scummy?

[Human Destroyer]

Titan, answer HD and Serra, why the Rach vote?

I believe Tammy voted Rach, so *shrug*

That's not a reason.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh crap I just remembered this game is nightless

MY PLAN OF SOFT-CLAIMING VIG AND GETTING NIGHT KILLED BECAUSE OF IT IS RUINED

...okay maybe you are town?

[Human Destroyer]

I would also be happy with a lynch of RM (would probably move vote if Antilles head claims)

pfft going for an easy lynch there OH?

I don't like Rach's comment here

[Human Destroyer]

Head activity (i.e., which head is posting) has no relevance to alignment of the hydra.

As someone who's hydra'd before, hell yes it does.

[Human Destroyer]

holy fuck, large games have a shit load of activity :<

hi TAM, you finally got a game with me

so uh.. what's up?

I skimmed through these 7 pages

and I'm not liking Underachievers at all

nor am I liking Robo, I mean, how is Apathy a town-tell when you are always Apathetic?

You should really learn to use your vote better (Hint: Vote TUA)

[Human Destroyer]

Okay, I missed all of that, and I've been gone all day... I read through and I'm still confused someone care to sum up the day so far?

Oh yeah you're scum

[Human Destroyer]

And speaking of awkward Post 78 has its own special brand of adorableness. What is the cutest thing about it is the "you're all probably wondering why I'm ignoring the self-vote" as if

everyone was sitting with bated breath waiting for him to react

. It speaks to a special kind of self-consciousness that I'd probably find scummy if it weren't for his being pretty new and making Whut comments elsewhere. And then he says he's not reacting because it's not alignment relevant which is a reaction.

Oh and to answer your Post 76 What does one post have to do with the other? And if you call that a big wall then eh >_>

@Bolded: I'm sure you all were, I'm the life of the party WHOOP WHOOP

@Italicized: That didn't at all answer my question. Why did you vote RachMarie after walling about Bulbazak?

[Human Destroyer]

Lalala. On the Rach vote. Rach did you actually ask if I had some kind of case? Also did you actually correct me that not all hydras are town. *headdesk* rinse, lather, repeat. I didn't like her first post. The "yay the game started" read fake. I voted to see if anyone else saw what I saw and to see how she would react to the vote and how anyone else would react. I also didn't like her second post where it didn't talk about anything and went straight for a "why'd you vote me?" then the actual " do you have a case". I mean seriously? Because that jut reads "how can you find me scummy? Didn't do anything scummy yet swear!". And her reaction to rainbowdash about going for an easy lynch read wooden and fake again.

Oh nevermind you did answer the question. Cool beans.

[Human Destroyer]

OtterHorse is town as well

KBW is still scum.

[Human Destroyer]

Spoiler: I should really stop spamming the thread >.<

Okay, I should get down to business and try and make hide or tail of what's been said.

My god, you really are scum.

BT's 35 is really strange. He's telling Reek that what Bulb did isn't so anti-town but then he's agreeing with Titan that Bulb is scum. Total cong dis.

I read the same way as Rach Marie the first time. She's right about hydra's not always being town so it was an obvious joke but I guess I could see scum jumping on what looks like a terrible post.

I totally get where Mastin is coming from. Arc voting for our hydra specifically is selective scumhunting. Selective scumhuning

is

a scumtell. But since its RVS I disagree with my other head.

RE hydra meta: Meta in general isn't the say all be all of scumhunting. I think one of my favorite examples is when Mastin called AP town in Harry Potter based on meta. I think meta on a hydra is difficult but I guess it can be used but like with any meta it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Read through page 5 so far.

Oh I was going to switch to TAM but if you want to scum up the thread some more I can keep my vote on you

OtterHorse: Why are you voting me?

You're pretty scummy dude, I don't think you have entitlement to ask this.

(Omitted)

KLICK READ AND CONTENT MOAR THX

You can only get by on sheeping me for so long

Marangal ignores a vote that's baseless, so? I could care less about what people think of me and if people think I'm scum, so be it but I would like reasons so I have the possibility of refuting it otherwise, I'll just do what I do and catch scum myself

This looks forced.

but yes, I think Titan is very townie, and KBW, Not entirely sure. as of right now, I'm thinking very scummy townie who can't handle the pressure placed on him but that can change

KBW-scum = Marangal-scum

This is how all games I play start out as

I don't see a scum case for Antilles, as for KBW I might be willing to go after him, in fact I'm halfway ready to place my vote on him.

So you're not sure but you're ready to vote him? I thought you were conservative with your vote?

I don't see a scum case for Antilles, as for KBW I might be willing to go after him, in fact I'm halfway ready to place my vote on him.

Vote KBW

Your move then.

As ive said, he is a perfect policy/utility lynch. Lets do it.

He's actually pretty scummy, so I'd be all for it.

This is how all games I play start out as

(don't mind me I'm just trying out the super duper new smilie)

You.

I like you.

Why is scum more likely to try to policy lynch than town?

Policy lynches can be easy mislynch targets. If people agree it's a policy lynch, there will be little suspicion thrown around in the case of a mislynch.

I'm a bit confused as to why you're advocating policy lynches in this game in particular. I haven't played this setup before, but I sort of assumed that it's balanced at the start, so two policy (mis)lynches push the game in scum's favor. Why would the starting setup be as town-sided as you claim, OH?

KBW's posts read the most off-putting, while some of what OH says bothers me, too.

I'll need to look at some specific people tomorrow to make up my mind about this game...

This post is pretty bad too. Light scumread.

I disagree that it's scare tactics. There's a balance in utility between getting rid of a potentially harmful player and lynching someone with a better chance of being scum. I am wary of people who ignore this balance and blindly call for a policy lynch before much discussion has taken place.

I've also spent my fair share of time reviewing setups (f2f ones), and I'd be happy to agree 10:5 is still townsided, had this setup not been balanced and reviewed by people I can only assume know what they're doing. I hesitate to believe from someone who might be scum that town can play a loose game because this setup is so townsided.

And setup spec with OtterHorse. This is effectively filler to look like there's useful posting going on.

[Human Destroyer]

Because Otter's already has townstuff in their posts, whereas serra is not.

I mean it's still filler, just not scummy filler.

[Human Destroyer]

Most of Otter's posts have either been about setup spec, trying to get Antilles's heads to claim, or about policy lynching someone. How is that towny at all?

Read the post I linked; there's a lot of scumhunting in that post alone.

[Human Destroyer]

Post 268 by Key is bad.... Self meta and AtE?

BTW AtE does not work on HD

, he is kinda like a bulldog once he gets his teeth on something.

(Still ♥ you HD, but you do tend to be tenacious even when you are going down the wrong path).

@Bolded: So true, I'm hard as a damn rock.

I have some emotion to spare, I just don't use it in mafia games, I swear!

Also my reads have been getting better and better lately, and I like the playstyle, so I think I'm sticking with it.

[Human Destroyer]

Okay, my thoughts on the game so far...

This is different from any of my other games on site how?

However to get down to business.

I really need to do at the very least an ISO of the game... It's keeping me from scumhunting.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Acting Method

[Human Destroyer]

TAM/TUA/Metal Overlord/KBW/Antilles

I'm putting Rach on the backburner because it is kinda true that I am derp at reading her, so this is the probable scumteam.

I will switch to whichever one of these wagons gets largest.

[Human Destroyer]

KLICK

What happened to your Metal Overlord scumread

It was pretty sexy

[Human Destroyer]

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

I'm not even certain I'm reading this right. I'll come back with some content soon.

We're out of RVS so I'm straight up not voting as such.

THIS JUST IN: HD v MO reads TvT to me; agree, disagree? Discuss.

PEDIT: TU is probtown too.

PEDIT2: I've never enjoyed ArcAngel9. Discuss.

Oh let's dismiss arguments as TvT without really saying why, seems pretty protown to me

No. Titan is seeming scummier by the minute, and I'm officially done talking with him.

This is terrible.

No. Titan is seeming scummier by the minute,

and I'm officially done talking with him.

That's pretty ballsy for someone who hasn't interacted with anyone, but y'know, us Planning on rage-quitting after every conversation you have, mhm?

Exactly this.

Your entire ISO is terrible.

You're one to talk.

OtterHorse: Why are you voting me?

Because you're useless and everything you say is filler that's created to look like content

OtterHorse: Why are you voting me?

You havent head claimed mainly (which as ive said, anti-town at best), but especially after your last couple posts are a decent scumpick independently of that as you are really more seeming to comment on KBW who is a hot topic of conversation but actually say nothing with respect to alignment.

You sound like you're convinced I'm town, but that you want to be stubborn and vote me anyway, based solely on principle that you're not getting what you want.

What the fuck

is

this post even

Human Destroyer and Bulbazak feel town.

Except you still haven't backed any of your shit up

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Vote: Human Destroyer

A very interesting Hydra, no? Though tbh, if I was you, I'd probably be voting me to. ~KX

This is a really bad post, and not just for the vote on me

activity post. recieved rolepm

MS why are you so bad at this game

Yeah, I meant since, you know, Metal Sonic and all. Anyway, we really need to stop starting the game out like this. Metal should be mainly in charge of the Hydra, I'll post if I see anything important, otherwise, I'm gonna try and focus on my other games.

How can there be any debate about if a Hydra trying to be anonymous should be pressured or not? Unless I missed something, the more information available, the more it helps the village. Also, while I tend to support policy lynches, policy lynching over a self-vote seems kinda . . . meh.

~KX

This is an "omg I'm contenting" post without any real content

Also, obviously it's a huge over-explanation, but isn't an explanation better then nothing, and even if it wasn't, how is it anti-town? Do think the suspicion is pretty damn weak though.

@TheUnderachivers, how exactly does Meta not apply to a Hydra? And as far as I know, the village has more to gain since it gives them a sense of playstyle and conpetancy, while scum doesn't gain that much, the person remains a threat, nothing more and nothing less. If they're a nube, and known to be like that, scum loses the chance to run a vote against them, and if they're compitant, that should be apparent regardless of meta. ~KX

@BT/HD, didn't you read my last post?

You still haven't said anything with regard to ANYONE'S alignment

What the actual fuck

lol wtf can we vote this guy?

Why are you asking for permission to bus your buddy

I'm sorry, but scumread, even light, just for a person voting you, and then trying to explain the vote in other terms . . . no, just no. Not sure if stupid or scum at this point.

~KX

P-Edit: oh, yeah, UNVOTE:

AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN VOTING ANYONE

A+ TO THE FUCKING + TOWN PLAY

And if that I'm just saying now was shown on another page, then sorry, I skimmed the thread. I didn't intend to make more then one post, so.

VOTE: TheUnderachivers ~KX

P-EDIT: TvT?

P-EDIT2: gdi I never thought I'd say this but I think we need to post less.

Took you a while

Also, another thing I wanted to add, since even a single player won't play the same in two games (probably) I would think Meta would be better then nothing, and accomplish the point of letting you know something so that the player isn't a blank sheet. Also, with two people in the same Hydra posting without distinction, how the hell is that pro-town? As far as I can tell, all it would do is make getting a read harder and make differences and slips explanable. ~KX

THIS

IS

A

USELESS

POST

@AA, just a sense of how somebody plays. If somebody plays noticeable different between scum and village, but you don't know they're that player, it obviously helps them only as scum. Meta is far from the best thing to go off of, but I find knowing it to be preferable to the opposite. It also makes it so you don't have to play with a person for a while to get a sense of how they play.

@Under, what you say is true if the person is town, however, consider if the person were to be scum. In that case, it's much better for the town to be able to read them. If you have two people posting as one person, unseparated, it means that posting style, and possibly even views or opinions could change between the two. As scum, some things that might be done would be disguised by this. If the two people can post exactly the same, and make sure they have completely congruent opinions, then yes, I agree with you, but I don't believe that could be maintained perfectly.

Again, this is a post that's made to look like content but isn't really

I'm starting to see a pattern

MS:

holy fuck, large games have a shit load of activity :<


I skimmed through these 7 pages

and I'm not liking Underachievers at all

nor am I liking Robo, I mean, how is Apathy a town-tell when you are always Apathetic?

My opinion is that bulbazak's outburst seems pretty town-ish to me. His self-vote is disputable and honestly in my opinion rather useless, but if he believes it grants him some information then I don't think its a problem. He has been rather willing to share this info with us and explaining that he finds BT and Robo clean thanks to his maneuver. Unless he is withholding information on purpose(like that other hydra over there) I don't think it would be nice to capitalise on him.

I believe that we can start out with some policy lynch first then gradually and slowly narrow down the scum. My other head has been more active(I think) thanks to his better timezone (I am nocturnal he is Day xD) and I had a lot to read so I don't have any super strong opinions on who is and who isn't definite lynch targets. Perhaps I could read more into the way the other hydra(forgot his name x.x) who does not like sharing which head posts in order to define him a town or scum read, but until then yea thats all from this other head.

This is probably the only decent post in the entire ISO, and it's from Metal Sonic of all people

C'mon KX step it up

Even this is just WORDSWORDSWORDS with a single townread. That's literally it.

MS:

I just checked here for activity, and although there have been a good number of posts since my last post, I am disappointed in the lack of quality of them. Keybladewielder WTF?


Not much of thoughts to post, considering I tl;dr'd the long ones and the short ones were full of bullshit.

I advocate a policy lynch, but question is who?

HYPOCRISY

HYPOCRISY I SAY

Also this "let's def policy lynch someone d1" is pretty bad

Ok, just finished reading the thread over, will move onto ISOs in a second for more accurate reads, but so far Under and Antilles are seeming scummy, though a decent part of that is simply because of the position on anonymous Hydras. This isn't an anonymous game, if it were, I have no problems, however, it isn't, so get with the program. Titan leas scum slightly, but I could easily see them coming back. HD is definitely town, could just be since I got him lynched ftl in my last game, but I doubt it. BT, Robo, and AA also seem to be town, but I'd like to see more from the latter and Klick. I believe everybody else reads neutral, or at least I didn't notice anything in particular, including with TAM. From what I understand, it's a playstyle, and while unlikely, it is possible to just not have opinions. Perhaps the ISO will say differently?

@Mod, I unvoted HD long, long ago, and changed to Under.

I am strongly in favor of Policy lynches. To me, if you have the time for it, a policy lynch should be a way to hit the people who are hard to read, and who you wouldn't be able to tell normally. You eliminate them, provided nobody else seems to be scum more then them, on the off chance that they are scum. However, in this game, outside of Key, TAM, or Antilles, I don't see any options, and aside from Key, I don't think any options are really good.

Also, on a final note, LOL at my other head complaining about quality. You're not one to talk, shush.

The only thing I find odd here is that you would be bussing two of your scumbuddies this early on

Like that's literally the only thing holding me back from tunneling the fuck out of you

I assume the unvote in 107 didn't count either then? Fine.

UNVOTE:

For now, will have an updated vote after ISOs. Happy now? Also, nice response time.

No I won't be happy until you're lynched

[Human Destroyer]

I do like your reads, though. I don't think TUA and Antilles are partners, so Rach could replace one of them and make that a pretty decent team guess.

Wait never mind, it was OtterHorse that kept attacking Antilles. I guess that would still work.

Rach is my fallback scumread

I thought I had another one but I can't remember them for some reason

[Human Destroyer]

No BT is town I'm pretty sure

OH WAIT I REMEMBER

serra and Reek

[Human Destroyer]

Scum team pick: Reek, Ant, TAM, TUA, Arc

Why is Arc part of the scumteam if she's "No idea"

And, same idea, why Arc over MO

[Human Destroyer]

Wait hold on

In that scumteam guess

Only two of them are actual scum reads

What the actual fuck?

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Metal Overlord

As promised.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm pumped about my role! I have to run errands, I will read the game upon my return.

?

Who did you replace?

[Human Destroyer]

Who are these other players that are "posting next to nothing"?

TUA is scum though, the entire response to my case is basically a brush off and trying to just hold out to deadline.

I'd vote him but

MS:

Hi pls remove the votes on me pls else I will get lynched


VOTE: TUA

save my ass pls ty 12 hours and a poor townie will get lynched

considering none of you responded to my longpost yet its not really fair to vote me

Ick, this is so self-preservatory

[Human Destroyer]

Cerulean

This was an altslip of Titan

Just fyi

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TUA

Still need to be voting largest wagon of my scumreads

[Human Destroyer]

Spoiler: Lynch it with FIRE

Antilles

: Wow, post more, like, a lot more, and claim pl0x. I mean, I suppose the few posts you have aren't that bad, but the style seems that of a person who'd talk a lot more. Also, I really dislike the part about you not claiming heads. Scum lean for now.

ArcAngle

: Still seems town as before. They make sense (lol), they pulled the thing with Under off very well, and their points/questions are decent. Once again, some more content would be nice, but I'm saying Town.

BT

: Decently active, and they have a couple of good posts, so my town read remains. One thing I'd like to ask though is how their process of thought regarding Bulbazak went, but otherwise looks pretty good, I'd say Town.

Bulbazak

: I'm going to be going with a Town read for Bulba here. I found the self vote to be pretty much a null read, and everything else they've done suggests town. They seem to have made good use of the self vote to get information, something which I doubt would have been done if they were scum and faking it to avoid a vote. Also, they took the suspicion in stride, another point towards town.

HD

: Town. Nothing more to say here.

Keybladewielder

: I think I said this already, but really not much to go on, but what there is is pretty bad. Can't tell if just an extremely bad player or scum, would make a good policy lynch.

Klick

: I kinda dislike how twice you mention the same thing with no change it two posts, and that combined with low activity in general, but for the small amount of posts you point out some decent stuff, and this is pretty congruent with how you played in our last game. So Leans Town for now, but post more, alright?

Ms Marangal

: Despite saying quite a bit, I'm really not feelings much from them. What they've said is pretty bland, and seems kinda limited in content, with nothing else giving me a particular feeling towards them. I think I'd have to read them as Neutral for now.

OttarHorse

: I agree with them on most everything they've said. However, that alone isn't reason to read them town, and considering that what they've said, while not limited to, is mainly about a few particular subjects, I think they could do better. However, I don't see anything particularly pointing towards the contrary, so I'll say Leans Town.

RachMarie

: Apparently they're scummy, but I'm not really seeing such. I'm afraid there's really not much to comment on, as I don't gain anything in particular from the majority of their comments. So, I suppose I'll go with a Neutral read for now, but I'd like to see more, as I get a feeling they're town.

Reek

Unless I somehow missed it, they've done literally nothing but say that self-voting has no town value, implied RVS is important, and said Bulbazak should be policy lynched. Since I disagree with those things, and because of shear lack of quantity, Leans Scum.

Robocopter87

: They haven't really said anything of value, and I disagree with just about everything they've said concerning how the game should be played (which, really, is all they've said with the exception, I believe, of one vote.) For some reason I want to call them Town, however, I have to say based on fact alone, they Lean Scum.

SerraPaladin

: While individually his post all look pretty good, and I certainly understand what he says, one specific thing that strikes me is a remark made about that there are things to comment on, following by a relative lack of commenting on things. Also, limited talk about other payers, and limited posts in general, are off-putting. In light of recent posts, the lack of content seems even more noticeable. So Leans Scum.

TheActingMethod

: I maintain what was said about them, that they don't ring particularly scummy. More content would, as always, be appreciated, or even a little relevant content if nothing else. Especially if this is a meta thing, and not a tell, I'd like to know if it changes. If so, perhaps pursue better options until that time? So, in light of Meta, I'd say Neutral, though consider for Policy Lynch if it isn't something which changes.

TheUnderachievers

: I don't think I like a single post that they've made. I dislike their positions on issues, and find them anti-town at best. It seems like the majority of their posts are worthless, or dealing with hydra, and those that aren't I dislike the content of. Really, if they're competent, I have to say they're scum, and if they aren't, well, why keep them around? I think they could redeem themselves, but it's unlikely. Plus, the whole deal I've already expressed my opinions on . . . yeah Scum.

Titan

: I am really disliking them, simply due to quality and style. I assume that the cerulean post was by them? All the same, reading over, I strongly dislike that lack of anything productive starting out, and as it goes on, while there is quite a bit, reading it over, I still find it as though I'm lacking anything detailed about their thoughts. Despite a lot being present, a paragraph long answers in many cases, I feel as though I don't understand they why. Regarding the wall, I did read it, but I left feeling genuinely meh about the content. Perhaps it thing could be simplified? Leans Scum.

This probably would have looked better if I had done it immediately after the last post, but hey, it's my first day of spring break, and I did other stuff, I regret nothing.
@Bulbazak, anything else you'd like to add, or you done? Nothing? Alright, thanks, tell me if there is.
@HD:

MS why are you so bad at this game

Don't ask me, ask him. I have no clue, however, it's true, hence the statement in my first post.

This is an "omg I'm contenting" post without any real content

Um, actually, the point of the post was to say one night MS approached me and said "Hey, wanna Hydra in this game" and I said yes, provided I don't have to do much. So it's my way of telling everybody else I don't plan on doing much of anything. So the whole point was to say I won't be making any real content. However, following a Sub, a Death, and the lull of inactivity, I now have nothing better to do.
Everything else is so goddamn ignorant I don't regret lynching him as town last game, despite it losing me the game. Also, you said MS was better then me. Those are words to kill over, just saying.

Fucking Hell despite him being my biggest scumread, I really want to vote HD just cause. Instead, I think I'll have to

VOTE: Reek

Ordinarily I'd vote The Underachievers once more, but I feel it won't do much of anything now, Key is AFK, so we need to decide if we policy lynch or not, TAM has enough votes on them iirc, and eliminating those options, I think this vote does the most.

P-EDIT: LOL 20 posts between when I started making this post and the thread now.

Seriously. That post is :scumposting: at its finest.

You quit that MO wagon to hop on KBW.

Now that MO's wagon is gone, you want to get back to it?

it's hilarious because they don't even say why it's scummy

end of day distancing at its finest

[Human Destroyer]

Except, HD, I don't bus.

I SAW INVITATIONAL 15

BZZZT WRONG ANSWER

also titan I really hope you're joking about the PR claim thing

[Human Destroyer]

In particular,

It was stupid, it was suicidal, it was a dumb idea. Not only from a game perspective--but also a meta one. I've built up that not-bussing meta for a while now. People just reading the thread and not the scum QT will point to this game as evidence that I've broken from that. When this game is all the proof I need to reinforce it

This part.

So I ask again, HD.

MO. TUA. Not both scum. Which do you see as scum?

If you'd been reading my posts

You'd know the answer to this

[Human Destroyer]

This is a generic message that says something along the lines of

V/LA from Friday night through Saturday

.

[Human Destroyer]

DGB stop distracting from the TUA lynch please and thank you

[Human Destroyer]

If you are scum TUA actually has a decent chance of being town. However either of you or TUA being scum still leaves KBW as a good scumpick, which when you compound that with him being scummy and almost the perfect definition of a policy lynch...

Vote KBW

We need to lynch him today. Jen/Serra is scum, like almost for sure scum here to the point where even I would consider a vig shot (which if anypony knows me is stunningly strong scum read level).

So you're calling Jennifer almost definite scum yet voting KBW?

[Human Destroyer]

KBW scum flip gives me confidence that my reads are correct.

VOTE: Metal Overlord

This is the guy that needs to die right now.

[Human Destroyer]

Someone name one person who is town and let's just lynch everyone else

Hi Molla.

I'm town.

Help me lynch MO/Antilles/TUA today please

[Human Destroyer]

How is MO def. town? Please, walk me through this.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Antilles

Blah blah blah joining the largest wagon of my scumreads you know the drill

[Human Destroyer]

ugh fine

ill do work later

[Human Destroyer]

But yesterday you jumped from KBW to TUA to yourself. So you potentially called two scum scum, but ended up staying off their wagon to call for your own lynch, which wasn't going to happen.

Right, I was very frustrated that the town wasn't helping me bus my buds are vigorously as I'd hoped.

Thanks for dropping the "I'm paranoid" scumtell.

I agree with DGB here. What's the scum motivation of drawing the lynch to yourself over your scumbuddies, exactly?

Her distracting from the TUA/KBW/MO lynches annoyed the hell out of me...but it's not really scummy.

The paranoia thing is shaky as fuck though

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

Is he really using paranoia in a scummy way though?

MS:

If Antilles is town that dude is probably scum^

Go away pls

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

No lol sounds like bad idea

^associative tells between MO+Titan ftw

I thought you were town Titan

MS:

Atm, I must say I'm rather unsure. Antilles' recent posts don't take away from what was done before, so I think my unvote was somewhat hasty. Re-reading (and more carefully), Bulba does bring up some good points, and I realize a change now doesn't take from before. However, in light of recent events, I don't think that a vote on them should be there just yer. As for the subject of MM, looking over, I can see quite a few things that I don't like, but they're not overly so, and quite a few are WIFOM. They main thing that gives me pause in saying they read null-scum is their townread of me, which I find quite strange if they were scum, and so I won't jump on the wagon. This lack of desisivness could just be cause tired, idk, but hopefully will be able to get back to this when I have more time. ~KX

Would like to say that I'm disappointed at this post. This post is fluff lol


Will respond to big bad wallmasters Bulb and Antilles next

Amished tell

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

Metal Overlord how dare you dismiss my brilliant observation with "lol."

it's not as brilliant as you're making it out to be, but...

But yesterday you jumped from KBW to TUA to yourself. So you potentially called two scum scum, but ended up staying off their wagon to call for your own lynch, which wasn't going to happen.

Right, I was very frustrated that the town wasn't helping me bus my buds are vigorously as I'd hoped.

Thanks for dropping the "I'm paranoid" scumtell.

Aaaaaaand this is why you continue to be scum. You're better than this. You really are. Your play this game has been lacking. Your scum hunting has been superficial. And the "I'm paranoid" scum tell? It's not just lame, it's quite frankly stupid.

How is beyond your comprehension that I've seen you behave this way as scum? Therefore these little antics do not make me think you are town.

Also, nice way to cut off what I actually said there buddy. What I said was if you are town, you'll have to deal with me being paranoid. I didn't go, I'm just paranoid of you. I'm acknowledging there's a slight possibility your are town and I'm paranoid of you.

what the fuck

are you actually using Burden of Proficiency as a scumtell?

cause that's not a scumtell

And the "I'm paranoid" scum tell? It's not just lame, it's quite frankly stupid.

Oh, so I'm spot on with it. That's what I thought.

...oshit

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

Where did I say I'm paranoid of HD? *peers up at what I wrote*. Nope, nope quite clearly states I'm suspicious of him. Hmmm fancy that.

So, DGB are you reading my posts? Have you read my posts? Because if you do happen to be town, and you're coming away with anything other than damn titans town, well then I don't know what to tell you. Read better?

Have fun mudslinging though!

You know what I find interesting? You don't ask why I'm increasingly suspicious of HD, you just immediately start misrepping what I actually said and ironically making a baseless and shit case for me being scum.

I like how you act like she's talking about your suspicion of me as your paranoia

lmao

And the "I'm paranoid" scum tell? It's not just lame, it's quite frankly stupid.

Oh, so I'm spot on with it. That's what I thought.

Oh wow, you really are scum.

Oh wow, you really are scum.

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

Where did I say I'm paranoid of HD? *peers up at what I wrote*. Nope, nope quite clearly states I'm suspicious of him. Hmmm fancy that.

So, DGB are you reading my posts? Have you read my posts? Because if you do happen to be town, and you're coming away with anything other than damn titans town, well then I don't know what to tell you. Read better?

Have fun mudslinging though!

You know what I find interesting? You don't ask why I'm increasingly suspicious of HD, you just immediately start misrepping what I actually said and ironically making a baseless and shit case for me being scum.

Since when did DGB ever say anything about you being paranoid of HD? What the fuck is this?

He said that you being paranoid of him is a "scum read"


You're missrepping him not him misrepping you lol




WTF is this bad play from both DGB and Titan totally out of character

what?

you've never played with

either

of them

how would you know this

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

Where did I say I'm paranoid of HD? *peers up at what I wrote*. Nope, nope quite clearly states I'm suspicious of him. Hmmm fancy that.

So, DGB are you reading my posts? Have you read my posts? Because if you do happen to be town, and you're coming away with anything other than damn titans town, well then I don't know what to tell you. Read better?

Have fun mudslinging though!

You know what I find interesting? You don't ask why I'm increasingly suspicious of HD, you just immediately start misrepping what I actually said and ironically making a baseless and shit case for me being scum.

Since when did DGB ever say anything about you being paranoid of HD? What the fuck is this?

He said that you being paranoid of him is a "scum read"


You're missrepping him not him misrepping you lol




WTF is this bad play from both DGB and Titan totally out of character

She's quoting my statement that I'm suspicious of HD and talking about being paranoid. If she was only referring to my being paranoid of her, she would have quoted what I said about her, which quite frankly wouldn't fit either as I gave clear reasons for why I think she's scum and said "if you're town, you'll have to deal with me being paranoid of you" because if she is town then my scum read is incorrect and could be based off paranoia because I've seen her act this exact way as scum before. I'm not oh so paranoid of everyone here, but she's trying to extend it to HD to fit her wtf scum tell.

tbf I don't know why she quoted it either

but she's pretty obviously continuing along her earlier train of thought that involved you being scum for your paranoia of her

[Human Destroyer]

Oh hey dgb in your spare time today, you should read my posts, i mean actually read them, and then try to find a real reason to call me scum. I look forward to it!

she did

she's misguided, but then your reaction to it was pretty much "scum caught for the wrong reasons"

I did find a reason. I'm sorry if my advanced scum tells aren't on your radar, noob

DGB, never change

I did find a reason. I'm sorry if my advanced scum tells aren't on your radar, noob

If you were town, you would read my posts. But if you were town and read them, you'd know I was town. If you were town, you'd know where I was coming from in the first place.

But, you're not town so it's all good.

Want to try to bring up a better defense than you're town?
Cause that's not a defense.

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

NO DGB

THIS IS JUST BAD

YOU KNOW IT'S BAD TOO

STAHP IT.

Considering your reaction?
Not as bad as you're saying it is.

Also the hell is "I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point"

IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IT, SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST

I'm assuming you mean with her chest, you mean her vote, correct me if I'm wrong

Yes, let's talk about how we have 3 groups each hell-bent on lynching a specific person, and how DGB has pretty much no chance of turning a lynch on you today.

Titan and DGB just stahp your exchange kills brains



tl;dr you both make no sense

one of these two is MO's scumbuddy

I'm increasingly thinking it's Titan

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

If you're scum this game, I applaud you for completely pulling the wool over my eyes.

This is worded awkwardly. Why not just call her obv-town?

Atm, I must say I'm rather unsure. Antilles' recent posts don't take away from what was done before, so I think my unvote was somewhat hasty. Re-reading (and more carefully), Bulba does bring up some good points, and I realize a change now doesn't take from before. However, in light of recent events, I don't think that a vote on them should be there just yer. As for the subject of MM, looking over, I can see quite a few things that I don't like, but they're not overly so, and quite a few are WIFOM. They main thing that gives me pause in saying they read null-scum is their townread of me, which I find quite strange if they were scum, and so I won't jump on the wagon. This lack of desisivness could just be cause tired, idk, but hopefully will be able to get back to this when I have more time. ~KX

If Antilles is town that dude is probably scum^

/agreed. And Antilles is town, soyeah.

when did you start townreading antilles?

thanks for popping in and reminding me you're scum with him, it's appreciated.

Will respond to big bad wallmasters Bulb and Antilles next

Hey. You. I'm not a big bad wallmaster. I just enjoy dismantling a complete idiot's posts from time to time.

Bulbazak is currently on my /ignore list for... hmmm, it says here:
Gross Incompetence, Impertinent Attitude, and General Loudmouthery

(shrug)

So tell me, MO, since you are a hydra as I used to be, have you considered having your heads discuss what they are going to post before they just post random shit and then disagree with each other and apologize for it?

but then you make a post like this and i'm like "is this seriously a scumbuddy interaction?"

I am so happy MM is a viable wagon today! I feel the most assured of her being scum given the inconsistencies and odd push targets.

VOTE: Ms Marangal[

^buddy

yeah this post from jen is forced as fuck

molla is town btw

[Human Destroyer]

Votecount 2.09:

DrippingGoofball - Titan, RachMarie, Jennifer, Underachivers
Antilles - Rainbowdash, Human Destroyer, Bulbazak, Bulbazak
Ms Marangal - DrippingGoofball, zdenek, BBmolla, Antilles

Not Voting - Jennifer, TheLurker, Ms Marangal, Arcangel, Metal Overlord, Klick

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch and 8 to no-lynch.

The Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-20 23:09:09) or by 10:10 PM on April 20th, 2013.

The Mastin2 head of The Underarchivers is V/LA.
Ms. Marangal is V/LA until Wednesday
Rainbowdash is V/LA from Thursday until Sunday at the latest.

Searching for replacements for RachMarie and TheLurker.

DGB is not our lynch today.

I'll need to reread MM, but I'm still quite happy with my Antilles vote.

[Human Destroyer]

@DGB Gah.. no self-votes. That never, ever, ever helps town.

Also, Voided is using plurality lynches, so whoever has the most votes when the deadline hits is lynched. The majority is only used for ending the day early if we can all agree (no clue what happens if we have a tie but no majority at deadline -- first to get to that number?)

I forgot Antilles was playing.
@Antilles What points of TUA made you unvote?

went into jen's ISO for associative tells

lmfao

[Human Destroyer]

@BB/HD Are you kidding me?

I find it interesting that Otterhorse/MM/RachMarie call me scum for changing my vote, yet we don't even know how the flip is going to turn out (or even who will flip!)

Right now, I would consider voting for MM (going after inactives/easy lynches),

you're missing my point

the post is forced; all that stuff before the marangal vote feels fake

i'm not sure if I can quantify it so much, but it's pretty fucking forced

[Human Destroyer]

I also couldn't help but realize that people were pegging active members as somewhat scummy because they weren't as activity here doesn't match their activity else where? I can't help but think that it's a weak reason to suspect a person, especially because this is a large game.

^This about face is incredibly scummy.

Contrast the above with:

Considering that KBW wasn't entirely active even before he stated that he had internet problems, it would have alarmed me if he wasn't inactive else where.

also, using the fact that the Hydra being inactive is different from a solo account being inactive are two different things because a hydra has more heads is kinda stupid because, as a Hydra, you kinda want your partner's input in the game.

So, she infers KBW is scummy for being inactive despite having internet problems, but now states being inactive isn't scummy.. the only rationale for this difference that I can find is that she was bussing KBW to get town cred.

We need to lynch MM at some point, tomorrow if not today.

There is only 1 scum in {Jen, MM}.

Hint: it's Jen.

This is a complete misrep of MM, considering she didn't state in that post that KBW was scummy for his inactivity; she stated that she

would have been

more suspicious if KBW was posting elsewhere but not here and in fact lying about his internet being out.

That's a completely logical stance to take.

[Human Destroyer]

Also the hell is "I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point"

IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IT, SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST

I'm assuming you mean with her chest, you mean her vote, correct me if I'm wrong

No

we

consider

at some point.

The wording is horribly weak and looks like flinging crap in the air to see what sticks rather than attempt to attack us or question us.

You mean exactly like you're doing to try to get DGB lynched?

Yeah that. Besides, she's pretty clearly stated she thinks you're scum...so...not really weak at all.

You're harping on semantics.

Lots of towntells from Human Destroyer in those posts. For the most part they are pretty good posts too. I haven't played with HD before but I'm pretty damn sure he's town now.

What do you think are the most important events in the game thus far, HD? I'm interested to know your opinion.

In particular, I am loving your suspicion of TheUnderachivers #1232, where he unexpectedly reads me as town for apparently no reason. That is a good catch. I think the pervasive faces make me unfairly suspicious of mastin's posts, myself. But I'll be looking into TUA more closely either way.

p-edit: I like the above Titan post.

I know, I'm a cool character.

Most important events?

Hmmm...Jennifer wagon that dismantled too quickly, TUA wagon that dismantled too quickly (though it led to a scum lynch, so idk), Titan v. DGB, and Bulb v. MO are the things that come to mind when I think of this game right now.

Also you're scum with TUA, just sayin'. I might call MO town if you're scum.

I'm a little pissed because my reads are all over the fucking place but I don't think you two are scumbuddies at least.

[Human Destroyer]

Also, are we ready to lynch Ms. Marangal yet? Come on. There's no night phase, so nobody has to worry about getting the most out of today.

Just 1-2-3 hop on and we get a red flip, and everybody's happy.
Except for, you know, her scumbuddies.

MM is town, Jenn is opportunistic scum.

Try again.

[Human Destroyer]

when did you start townreading antilles?

When did I ever

stop

townreading Antilles?

Seriously, look at my suspects list throughout the game, and the town lists I've posted. They never left the town pile. They haven't left the town pile. Admittedly they were low on it because the townread was based off of their early posting and that was pretty much all they had for ages, but then they started posting and reaffirmed it. Like, seriously. Antilles is bleeding towntells left and right.

You somehow don't seem to get how I've got a townread on Antilles, but I'll reflect that back at ya; I seriously don't get how anyone can have a scumread on that slot.

Quote where you started townreading him, and restate why you think he's town.

I don't see either of those in your ISO.

If you're scum this game, I applaud you for completely pulling the wool over my eyes.

Thank you??? I'm flattered?

lol

Ugh... I feel like I'm back in deja vu land.

Regardless, the wagon grew on me for ridiculous reasons / no reason at all.

MM was bad and bothered me how she claims I completely misrepped her, yet in the same breath admits that my summary of her case was one of the reasons she voted me.

At least one if not more scum had to have been on my wagon given the speed, and I think she is definitely one of them. And even now she's wanting to go after people who are replacing out. Maybe as chance has it scum all decided to replace out, but there haven't been 5 replacements at one time meaning at least some of the scum are here, and she's choosing to ignore that in favor of perceived easier targets.

We need more votes on MM please.

@Bolded: She claimed you misrepped her in your case then said you were scummy for misrepping her, therefore she's scummy?

The wording is horribly weak and looks like flinging crap in the air to see what sticks rather than attempt to attack us or question us.

We're trying to lynch your buddy Marangal now, we'll lynch you after.

Personally I would lynch you first. You're feistier. Marangal is just going to keel over.

I'd help you turn the lynch on Titan.

I don't think MM is scum though.

[Human Destroyer]

when did you start townreading antilles?

When did I ever

stop

townreading Antilles?

Seriously, look at my suspects list throughout the game, and the town lists I've posted. They never left the town pile. They haven't left the town pile. Admittedly they were low on it because the townread was based off of their early posting and that was pretty much all they had for ages, but then they started posting and reaffirmed it. Like, seriously. Antilles is bleeding towntells left and right.

You somehow don't seem to get how I've got a townread on Antilles, but I'll reflect that back at ya; I seriously don't get how anyone can have a scumread on that slot.

Quote where you started townreading him, and restate why you think he's town.

I don't see either of those in your ISO.

If you're scum this game, I applaud you for completely pulling the wool over my eyes.

Thank you??? I'm flattered?

lol

Ugh... I feel like I'm back in deja vu land.

Regardless, the wagon grew on me for ridiculous reasons / no reason at all.

MM was bad and bothered me how she claims I completely misrepped her, yet in the same breath admits that my summary of her case was one of the reasons she voted me.

At least one if not more scum had to have been on my wagon given the speed, and I think she is definitely one of them. And even now she's wanting to go after people who are replacing out. Maybe as chance has it scum all decided to replace out, but there haven't been 5 replacements at one time meaning at least some of the scum are here, and she's choosing to ignore that in favor of perceived easier targets.

We need more votes on MM please.

@Bolded: She claimed you misrepped her in your case then said you were scummy for misrepping her, therefore she's scummy?

The wording is horribly weak and looks like flinging crap in the air to see what sticks rather than attempt to attack us or question us.

We're trying to lynch your buddy Marangal now, we'll lynch you after.

Personally I would lynch you first. You're feistier. Marangal is just going to keel over.

I'd help you turn the lynch on Titan.

I don't think MM is scum though.

[Human Destroyer]

@Bolded: She claimed you misrepped her in your case then said you were scummy for misrepping her, therefore she's scummy?

No, she's scummy for pushing a bogus case on me and making false statements to try and discredit me. And also for her choice of targets. She reads like she's faking a read on me versus actually believing in it and is sticking to that read to try to appear tunneling townie versus scummy scum.

That's not what the bolded says.

It literally says "She says I misrepped her case, and is calling me scum for misrepping her case!"

You're not getting a pass on this one.

[Human Destroyer]

Ugh... I feel like I'm back in deja vu land.

Regardless, the wagon grew on me for ridiculous reasons / no reason at all. MM was bad and bothered me how she claims I completely misrepped her, yet in the same breath admits that my summary of her case was one of the reasons she voted me. At least one if not more scum had to have been on my wagon given the speed, and I think she is definitely one of them. And even now she's wanting to go after people who are replacing out. Maybe as chance has it scum all decided to replace out, but there haven't been 5 replacements at one time meaning at least some of the scum are here, and she's choosing to ignore that in favor of perceived easier targets.

We need more votes on MM please.

Yeah, and my fast wagon has amazing reason to why it's growing would that mean scum is on my wagon as well? I don't recall you ever giving reason to why you think I was scum Prior to your hop on me Jen.

also, you did misrep me, you took one of my points, changed it into something else and made it look like it was a main reason for my vote when, really it wasn't. as for the replacements, what does that have to do with anything? and even then, I went after those that I found suspicious.

also, I'm not ignoring anyone and if I was going after "easier targets", I wouldn't be Defending MO and I also wouldn't have called antilles somewhat town.

Oh snap

Ohoho snap

She reads like she's faking a read on me versus actually believing in it and is sticking to that read to try to appear tunneling townie versus scummy scum.

That kind of play would be PRO. Faking a read to try to appear like a tunneling townie versus scummy scum.

I'll be sure to apply this tactic in my next game the minute I make sense of the sentence.

@Bolded: She claimed you misrepped her in your case then said you were scummy for misrepping her, therefore she's scummy?

No, she's scummy for pushing a bogus case on me and making false statements to try and discredit me. And also for her choice of targets. She reads like she's faking a read on me versus actually believing in it and is sticking to that read to try to appear tunneling townie versus scummy scum.

you know, I stated the biggest reason I suspected you is because both you and Serra gave me awkward vibes and how is my reason to suspect you bogus?

This girl has a point.

[Human Destroyer]

The Holy Townlist

DrippingGoofball
Ms. Marangal
Bulbazak? (Old, need to check up on)
BBMolla
Klick? (Old, need to check up on)
Rainbowdash
ArcAngel9? (Old, need to check up on)

We aren't lynching anyone there. However, this:

The Holy Lynchpool

Antilles
Jennifer
Theunderachivers
Metal Overlord
Titan

we

are

lynching from.

[Human Destroyer]

The wording is horribly weak and looks like flinging crap in the air to see what sticks rather than attempt to attack us or question us.

We're trying to lynch your buddy Marangal now, we'll lynch you after.

Personally I would lynch you first. You're feistier. Marangal is just going to keel over.

I'd help you turn the lynch on Titan.

I don't think MM is scum though.

Then vote us. Put your vote where your mouth is, don't dance around it. But when you do, make sure you have a damn good reason for the vote.

What I find really interesting is right after I say I'm growing increasingly suspicious of you, you start jumping all over me. Nervous?

Vote you with a 3 day deadline and the only other supporter of the wagon being DGB? Pfft. All that's going to end up doing is have one of the two wagons I

don't

want to go through actually go through, so no.

I'm not nervous. The only possible basis you could really have for me being scum is that I was lurking, but I wasn't; I was actually ignoring the game due to disinterest in the slow pace. Hell, I haven't even read most of the stuff before my last post.

[Human Destroyer]

The Holy Townlist

DrippingGoofball
Ms. Marangal
Bulbazak? (Old, need to check up on)
BBMolla
Klick? (Old, need to check up on)
Rainbowdash
ArcAngel9? (Old, need to check up on)

We aren't lynching anyone there. However, this:

The Holy Lynchpool

Antilles
Jennifer
Theunderachivers
Metal Overlord
Titan

we

are

lynching from.

This is a shitty list. With the exception of TUA, you have my town reads in your lynch list. You must be a fan of mislynches. That or you're scum.

Hey by the way, where were you on yesterday's scum lynch? Oh right...not on it.

Then your town reads are shit or you're scum. Probably the latter.

@Bolded: I WAS ON THE SCUM LYNCH GIVE ME TOWNCRED WAH WAH ~Titan

No, I wasn't on the lynch. I was also V/LA at lynch time. Go push your mislynches somewhere else.

[Human Destroyer]

HD, I checked my iso and our QT, and either I never wrote it down or I'm misremembering, since yeah I couldn't find it either. But my memory says we had Antagon as town and I know I have him as town now, and that's the important bit.

The Holy Townlist

DrippingGoofball
Ms. Marangal
Bulbazak? (Old, need to check up on)
BBMolla
Klick? (Old, need to check up on)
Rainbowdash
ArcAngel9? (Old, need to check up on)

We aren't lynching anyone there.

With the exception of DGB, I actually agree on every single one of these. MS is obvtown, Bulb even moreso, BBM took whatever slot he had and turned it obvtown, Klick is a weaker townread and near the bottom but still more likely to be town, RBD's def-town, and AA9's play here just screams town.

The Holy Lynchpool

Antilles
Jennifer
Theunderachivers
Metal Overlord
Titan

we

are

lynching from.

Jennifer and MO are good, but the rest of your lynch list sucks. Titan's town, Antilles is town, and we're town.

You didn't answer my question on why Antilles is town.

Who's your lynch-list again?

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Jennifer

then from that list, I find Jen to be the best to choose from.

Antilles, MO, and Titan are not getting my vote any time soon

Pedit: ugh... damn you guys

Pedit: STAHP POSTING DAMMIT

This is a good vote.

Vote you with a 3 day deadline and the only other supporter of the wagon being DGB? Pfft. All that's going to end up doing is have one of the two wagons I

don't

want to go through actually go through, so no.

I'm not nervous. The only possible basis you could really have for me being scum is that I was lurking, but I wasn't; I was actually ignoring the game due to disinterest in the slow pace. Hell, I haven't even read most of the stuff before my last post.

The only other supporter is DGB who is calling me scum based on the stupidest reason ever, and that's not telling you something, who I have a scum read on and have been vocal about? If you're town, you need to wake the fuck up and pay attention.

Um, hello? I never said I thought her reasoning is good; I said I thought your reaction is caught scum, and I still do.

[Human Destroyer]

HD, I checked my iso and our QT, and either I never wrote it down or I'm misremembering, since yeah I couldn't find it either. But my memory says we had Antagon as town and I know I have him as town now, and that's the important bit.

This whole "you guys never had a town read on Ant" is highly fucking retarded.

You scum or just stupid HD?

[Human Destroyer]

You didn't answer my question on why Antilles is town.

Every single post that slot has made?

My lynchlist is DGB, TheLurker, Jennifer, and MO. I have varying degrees of townreads on every other slot, but no townreads (and in fact rather strong scumreads) on these four. This isn't hard to see; it's pretty much in every single post of mine D2.

1st part is extremely unconvincing. Okay Mastin, time to put this to the test.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jennifer

Prove whether you're scum or not.

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Jennifer.

I'm withholding what I think of this vote on purpose.

I will explain it after today's lynch.

[Human Destroyer]

btw, TUA, who made that vote post?

[Human Destroyer]

Um, hello? I never said I thought her reasoning is good; I said I thought your reaction is caught scum, and I still do.

How so? I'm not caught scum, so sorry. My reaction is annoyance. I happen to find the puerile the "xyz scumtell!" quite annoying no matter who it's applied to. I'm reading DGB as scum and her reaction to me admitting that maybe I'm wrong, because I don't know anything, was to confirm herself as scum.

"This isn't a scum tell, what the fuck!"

This is a scum reaction to being caught. They're frustrated about being caught on something that isn't actually scummy that they have a major overreaction. As both of you did.

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: TUA

hold off on this for a day, I want to test something

vote:DGB

Mastin is fine with this.

I have a town read on the Ant slot.

LYNCH ALL FUCKING LIARS!!!

VOTE:HD

Hey, don't go calling me a liar when

one of your own heads

can't find this one sentence in an obscure post either.

I mean seriously in the entire context of this conversation you call me scum for saying I don't remember you actually stating a townread on Antilles?

[Human Destroyer]

TUA is claiming scum

Not quite

I have a theory on them being scum though, and it involves a Jen scumflip

[Human Destroyer]

Um, hello? I never said I thought her reasoning is good; I said I thought your reaction is caught scum, and I still do.

How so? I'm not caught scum, so sorry. My reaction is annoyance. I happen to find the puerile the "xyz scumtell!" quite annoying no matter who it's applied to. I'm reading DGB as scum and her reaction to me admitting that maybe I'm wrong, because I don't know anything, was to confirm herself as scum.

"This isn't a scum tell, what the fuck!"

This is a scum reaction to being caught. They're frustrated about being caught on something that isn't actually scummy that they have a major overreaction. As both of you did.

[Human Destroyer]

shit I fucked that quote up

you get the idea though

[Human Destroyer]

The wording is horribly weak and looks like flinging crap in the air to see what sticks rather than attempt to attack us or question us.

We're trying to lynch your buddy Marangal now, we'll lynch you after.

Personally I would lynch you first. You're feistier. Marangal is just going to keel over.

I'd help you turn the lynch on Titan.

Vote you with a 3 day deadline and the only other supporter of the wagon being DGB? Pfft. All that's going to end up doing is have one of the two wagons I don't want to go through actually go through, so no.

Except, did I actually try to turn the lynch on you?

Here's a hint: no.

OH WAIT

[Human Destroyer]

Um, hello? I never said I thought her reasoning is good; I said I thought your reaction is caught scum, and I still do.

How so? I'm not caught scum, so sorry. My reaction is annoyance. I happen to find the puerile the "xyz scumtell!" quite annoying no matter who it's applied to. I'm reading DGB as scum and her reaction to me admitting that maybe I'm wrong, because I don't know anything, was to confirm herself as scum.

"This isn't a scum tell, what the fuck!"

This is a scum reaction to being caught. They're frustrated about being caught on something that isn't actually scummy that they have a major overreaction. As both of you did.

Ummm no sorry. This is scum reaction to getting accused of doing something they aren't doing. Glad I could confirm my scumminess for you!

FTFY

[Human Destroyer]

shit I fucked that quote up

you get the idea though

Um nope. Now I'm giving you a homework assignment. You are to read our iso and give an actual reason why we're scum. I expect it to be legible and in complete sentences.

Also, true or false, you had a town read on us until I mentioned that I was suspicious of you?

I'm not obligated to do your every whim, scum.

@Bolded: Had a town read on you till a post MO made that implicated the both of you, then your reaction to DGB made you go downhill.

[Human Destroyer]

@Bolded: Had a town read on you till a post MO made that implicated the both of you, then your reaction to DGB made you go downhill.

and yes technically this IS after you called me scum

[Human Destroyer]

Except, did I actually try to turn the lynch on you?

Here's a hint: no.

OH WAIT

Except, did you actually say you would?

Here's a hint: yes.

OH WAIT.

ya but I didn't follow through on purpose

I do have reasons for the things I do

[Human Destroyer]

They're frustrated about being caught on something that isn't actually scummy that they have a major overreaction.

Yes

B/c a person doesn't get frustrated when they (or their partner!) gets called scum for suspecting people

Get your head out of your ass and stop flinging shit around. You're playing in a very sloppy manner and if you're town sheeping the fuck out of DGB blindly really won't get you anywhere.

lmao trying to discredit me by saying I'm sheeping

DIESCUMDIE

[Human Destroyer]

Except, did I actually try to turn the lynch on you?

Here's a hint: no.

OH WAIT

Except, did you actually say you would?

Here's a hint: yes.

OH WAIT.

ya but I didn't follow through on purpose

I do have reasons for the things I do

TESTINGTHEWATERSMUCH?

Actually, yes.

If there were to be enough support to drum up your wagon, I'd lynch you in a fucking heartbeat

[Human Destroyer]

shit I fucked that quote up

you get the idea though

Um nope. Now I'm giving you a homework assignment. You are to read our iso and give an actual reason why we're scum. I expect it to be legible and in complete sentences.

Also, true or false, you had a town read on us until I mentioned that I was suspicious of you?

I'm not obligated to do your every whim, scum.

@Bolded: Had a town read on you till a post MO made that implicated the both of you, then your reaction to DGB made you go downhill.

Nope sorry, I'm town and you will be. I want you to make it very very clear why you're scum reading me. But, it's nice for you to point out that you're not actually willing to read our posts. I know it's really hard to come up with tangible reasons for why town is scum, but it's what you're going to have to do. So, hop to it!

I did read your post. I'm just not doing what you want me to do. Because, y'know, that would take effort.

Besides, I've already showed how shitty your reactions are, and this "LOL PLAYER X IS NOT READING MY POSTS" seems to be becoming sort of a buzzphrase you guys.

[Human Destroyer]

The wording is horribly weak and looks like flinging crap in the air to see what sticks rather than attempt to attack us or question us.

We're trying to lynch your buddy Marangal now, we'll lynch you after.

Personally I would lynch you first. You're feistier. Marangal is just going to keel over.

I'd help you turn the lynch on Titan.

I don't think MM is scum though.

Then vote us. Put your vote where your mouth is, don't dance around it. But when you do, make sure you have a damn good reason for the vote.

What I find really interesting is right after I say I'm growing increasingly suspicious of you, you start jumping all over me. Nervous?

Vote you with a 3 day deadline and the only other supporter of the wagon being DGB? Pfft. All that's going to end up doing is have one of the two wagons I

don't

want to go through actually go through, so no.

I'm not nervous. The only possible basis you could really have for me being scum is that I was lurking, but I wasn't; I was actually ignoring the game due to disinterest in the slow pace. Hell, I haven't even read most of the stuff before my last post.

You seemed to hop to it quite quickly after I said I was growing suspicious of you.

oh you mean my activity?

that was based on the fact that I got my second prod and I was like "oshit I should probably do something"

[Human Destroyer]

Don't listen to DSB, Tammy!!!!

Also, lets swing.

:scumposting:

[Human Destroyer]

Don't listen to DSB, Tammy!!!!

Also, lets swing.

:scumposting:

His buddies won't bus as hard as I'd like them to, but us townies can get the job done, right?

VOTE: TUA

fuck it

VOTE: TUA

[Human Destroyer]

I'm sorry to break this to you young padawan but you didn't show shit actually, and if you can't tell the difference between a town reaction to a crappy accusation by someone they're suspecting and a scum reaction, then that's something you're going to have to work on. I want you to read my iso, and actually give reasons for why I'm scum. I don't need a case;

I just need to see that you're actually reading the game

and not reacting to something because I said you were suspicious. And, it's not just because you're lurking. You were really aggressive with MO and people read that as town, but it's been rather one note and I want to see that you're actually scumhunting and not just blowing hot air.

@bolded: well to be fair I

haven't

read anything before my second prod

but at the same time I'm way too lazy to go back and actually read it

(fucking parents and pulling me away from the computer while I try to make a post. who do they think they are, my parents?)

[Human Destroyer]

But yesterday you jumped from KBW to TUA to yourself. So you potentially called two scum scum, but ended up staying off their wagon to call for your own lynch, which wasn't going to happen.

Right, I was very frustrated that the town wasn't helping me bus my buds are vigorously as I'd hoped.

Thanks for dropping the "I'm paranoid" scumtell.

I agree with DGB here. What's the scum motivation of drawing the lynch to yourself over your scumbuddies, exactly?

Read mafiastuck, she did the same thing there. She didn't draw the lynch to herself as people don't lynch someone for her antics, but they go "oh look that's town".

That game is way too long; you have no chance of getting me to read it (assuming I'm thinking of the right one).

If she was scum, why she would get herself lynched when she could direct attention to a non-scum target is seriously beyond me.

Her distracting from the TUA/KBW/MO lynches annoyed the hell out of me...but it's not really scummy.

How is it not scummy? If TUA and MO aren't scum, then she drew away votes from actual scum KBW. And since I don't think MO is scum, she helped to draw the lynch from both KBW and TUA by voting herself. (And, if people wouldn't have switched to KBW, MO would have been lynched.)

this is still me

Then why did she draw attention away from the MO lynch? Explain the scum motivation to me in better detail, because right now it looks like you're starting out from an assumption that she's scum and attributing this move to her being scum because of that. It's circular.

MS:

If Antilles is town that dude is probably scum^

Go away pls

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

No lol sounds like bad idea

^associative tells between MO+Titan ftw

I thought you were town Titan

I've been calling MO town since day one, why is it now that you're pulling associative tells? Oh and DGB has been calling MO town as well, why aren't there associative tells there?

it has nothing to do with calling someone town

it has to do with MO acting up when someone calls for his buddy's lynch

MS:

Atm, I must say I'm rather unsure. Antilles' recent posts don't take away from what was done before, so I think my unvote was somewhat hasty. Re-reading (and more carefully), Bulba does bring up some good points, and I realize a change now doesn't take from before. However, in light of recent events, I don't think that a vote on them should be there just yer. As for the subject of MM, looking over, I can see quite a few things that I don't like, but they're not overly so, and quite a few are WIFOM. They main thing that gives me pause in saying they read null-scum is their townread of me, which I find quite strange if they were scum, and so I won't jump on the wagon. This lack of desisivness could just be cause tired, idk, but hopefully will be able to get back to this when I have more time. ~KX

Would like to say that I'm disappointed at this post. This post is fluff lol


Will respond to big bad wallmasters Bulb and Antilles next

Amished tell

why didn't you call out dgb for commiting the amished tell when she replaced in? why are you selective scum hunting?

didn't read that. quote it.

But yesterday you jumped from KBW to TUA to yourself. So you potentially called two scum scum, but ended up staying off their wagon to call for your own lynch, which wasn't going to happen.

Right, I was very frustrated that the town wasn't helping me bus my buds are vigorously as I'd hoped.

Thanks for dropping the "I'm paranoid" scumtell.

Aaaaaaand this is why you continue to be scum. You're better than this. You really are. Your play this game has been lacking. Your scum hunting has been superficial. And the "I'm paranoid" scum tell? It's not just lame, it's quite frankly stupid.

How is beyond your comprehension that I've seen you behave this way as scum? Therefore these little antics do not make me think you are town.

Also, nice way to cut off what I actually said there buddy. What I said was if you are town, you'll have to deal with me being paranoid. I didn't go, I'm just paranoid of you. I'm acknowledging there's a slight possibility your are town and I'm paranoid of you.

what the fuck

are you actually using Burden of Proficiency as a scumtell?

cause that's not a scumtell

I'd like for you to point out where I said that. I have made it quite clear that I think DGB is scum for reasons before this post.

But yes, incidentally, I happen to respect DGB as a player and as town would expect her to recognize obvious town play.

I do too.

I don't really put it beyond her to make mistakes though.

I mean it's not like you're calling her on Burden of Proficiency

on an unflipped player

, not to mention yourself.

It's quite literally "You're scum because you're pushing me". Which is stupid.

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

Where did I say I'm paranoid of HD? *peers up at what I wrote*. Nope, nope quite clearly states I'm suspicious of him. Hmmm fancy that.

So, DGB are you reading my posts? Have you read my posts? Because if you do happen to be town, and you're coming away with anything other than damn titans town, well then I don't know what to tell you. Read better?

Have fun mudslinging though!

You know what I find interesting? You don't ask why I'm increasingly suspicious of HD, you just immediately start misrepping what I actually said and ironically making a baseless and shit case for me being scum.

I like how you act like she's talking about your suspicion of me as your paranoia

lmao

I like how you're ignoring that she quote your post and continued talking about paranoia. Notice that she didn't once quote the post in which I actually mentioned the word paranoia to talk about it.

I noted it later

And the "I'm paranoid" scum tell? It's not just lame, it's quite frankly stupid.

Oh, so I'm spot on with it. That's what I thought.

Oh wow, you really are scum.

Oh wow, you really are scum.

Nope, sorry, try again.

no fuck you let me use my sharp wit where I want to

[Human Destroyer]

Okay I'm just going to put HD in that category of lazy as fuck and playing sloppy and basically being distracting.

Seriously. Get a grip. You're being worthless until you get your head in the game.

don't need you telling me that, I have things quite under control tyvm

I mean it's not like you're calling her on Burden of Proficiency

on an unflipped player

, not to mention yourself

THIS IS PRETTY BALLSY

WHEN YOU'RE LITERALLY CALLING MO FUCKING SCUM AND ASSOCIATING US WITH HIM

WHEN NONE OF US HAVE FUCKING FLIPPED

Associative tells =/= Burden of proficiency

[Human Destroyer]

The Holy Townlist

DrippingGoofball
Ms. Marangal
Bulbazak? (Old, need to check up on)
BBMolla
Klick? (Old, need to check up on)
Rainbowdash
ArcAngel9? (Old, need to check up on)

We aren't lynching anyone there. However, this:

The Holy Lynchpool

Antilles
Jennifer
Theunderachivers
Metal Overlord
Titan

we

are

lynching from.

rbd this is my summary

[Human Destroyer]

DrippingGoofball

-

Titan

, RachMarie

Antilles

-

Rainbowdash

,

Bulbazak

Ms Marangal

-

BBmolla

,

Antilles

,

Jennifer

Jennifer

-

Ms. Marangal

,

Underachivers

Underachivers

-

DrippingGoofball

,

Human Destroyer

, zdenek

people in red needs lynched

people in green should never be lynched ever

LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN

[Human Destroyer]

DrippingGoofball

-

Titan

, RachMarie

Antilles

-

Rainbowdash

,

Bulbazak

Ms Marangal

-

BBmolla

,

Antilles

,

Jennifer

Jennifer

-

Ms. Marangal

,

Underachivers

Underachivers

-

DrippingGoofball

,

Human Destroyer

, zdenek

people in red needs lynched

people in green should never be lynched ever

LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN

EBWOP

[Human Destroyer]

TUA, if you switch to DGB, I will too.

this is a good idea.

vote:DGB

:scumposting:

someone else please vote TUA so their lynch goes through rather than the terrible Marangal and DGB lynches

thanks

[Human Destroyer]

TUA, if you switch to DGB, I will too.

this is a good idea.

vote:DGB

:scumposting:

someone else please vote TUA so their lynch goes through rather than the terrible Marangal and DGB lynches

thanks

Says the idiot that lied that I supposedly hadn't been calling Ant town. SRS, how can you have a town read on a slot that soft pushed scum and then tried to switch gears and mislynch town?

Y'know, the fact that neither me nor Mastin could find it in your ISO probably means something.
Hint: It's because it was a one-off comment in an obscure post.

Because you're scum, this reasoning doesn't even apply.
Derp.

[Human Destroyer]

Even better--neither of you seem to be able to explain

why

Antilles is town.
You've just sort of thrown it out there and called everyone who doesn't agree with you an idiot or scum.
So tell me, why is he town?

[Human Destroyer]

You know I'm all for an Antilles lynch, HD. Not so much a TUA one. And never Jen or Titan, because I have a pretty strong town read on them.

Why aren't you a fan of the TUA lynch?
What makes Jen and Titan town to you?

If it comes down to giving the scum a NK, you guys should rush and mislynch me.

Then you can let TUA win the game, but his scum performance isn't that good, I don't think he deserves the win. But who am I to judge?

What's with people and forgetting this game is nightless?
I mean it's in the damn title, it can't be that hard to miss.

Anyway, TUA-scum isn't winning this game, not on my watch.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm basically good lynching any of the latter three.

Oh?
What happened to your scumread on Antilles?

[Human Destroyer]

It died once he started posting

Ms. Marangal is posting. Do you think she's town?
Jennifer is posting. Do you think she's town?
TUA is posting. Do you think they're town?

See, I can go on and on with this, but the general idea is...specifics. I really see no reason to call Antilles town and his earlier posting definitely pinged to me.

[Human Destroyer]

Yes, because making a post to the effect of calling everyone on his wagon except MM town is certainly not useless garbage.

[Human Destroyer]

Do tell though---what about his posting

isn't

useless garbage?
I'd love to hear it.

[Human Destroyer]

Here

You're not going to convince me today so don't bother HD.

Except...that's a garbage post for reasons I stated two posts ago.

[Human Destroyer]

You know I'm all for an Antilles lynch, HD. Not so much a TUA one. And never Jen or Titan, because I have a pretty strong town read on them.

Why aren't you a fan of the TUA lynch?
What makes Jen and Titan town to you?

I think it's pretty funny you're asking people to give reasons for a read when you've yet to give a reason why I'm scum and are actually refusing to read my posts to get an accurate read on me. And I still think its funny that this scum read came after I noted my suspicions of you.

Why do you have a town read on dgb?

Scum doesn't try to get themselves lynched.

"But, wait, she did this in another game!"

Yeah, but this is nightless, where both factions only have the lynch to work with.

Although anti-town, redirecting a lynch to yourself as scum in a nightless game is suicidal and possibly (FMPOV) blacklistable.

So y'know. She's town.

[Human Destroyer]

Y'know, the fact that neither me nor Mastin could find it in your ISO probably means something.
Hint: It's because it was a one-off comment in an obscure post.

Because you're scum, this reasoning doesn't even apply.
Derp.

So you're reasoning for finding our slot scummy is 'cause I/mastin just all the sudden started reading Ant as town and then when me and Mastin prove that you're either outright lying or stupid town you're all "ZOMG even though I'm wrong I'm still "right" No you aren't shutup.

HAI DGB buddy.

Y'know, I'm definitely sure I've provided other reasons than even just that. The fact of the matter is though that you're calling me scum for not noticing how you townread Antilles in a one-off, obscure post. And, let me point this out again,

your own hydra partner couldn't find it either

.

HD, I checked my iso and our QT, and either I never wrote it down or I'm misremembering, since yeah I couldn't find it either.

Do you see your own logic holes?

Even better--neither of you seem to be able to explain

why

Antilles is town.

You've just sort of thrown it out there and called everyone who doesn't agree with you an idiot or scum.

So tell me, why is he town?

The bolded is funny due to ongoing games. lol

Why is he scum? SRS, there are much scummier suspects out there. So no, I'm not going to play nooblet style mafia and just wagon for the sake of wagoning.

Why are you not voting DGB, Bulb?

Why do you feel the need to deflect back to me?
Answer the question.

[Human Destroyer]

Y'know, I'm definitely sure I've provided other reasons than even just that.

Not that I remember. Can you quote it?

Yes, actually.

Page one--Titan's town.
The BT-Bulbazak exchange is incredibly town.

ArcAngel is scum--why vote our hydra, specifically? We weren't the only hydra to have not posted, yet there was hydras who had posted. Why not a vote on Reek or Titan?

OtterHorse looks scum. Forcing heads to claim has always been something I've despised, and quite frankly, I don't think I've seen a town player ask for it. (Granted, it doesn't happen often.)

Titan's seriously, seriously town.
Also, kinda sorta have a weak townread on Robo.

>attempts to follow logic
>can't seem to

Mastin, are you scum?

Seriously, the bolded is really,

really

dumb.

I think the ArcAngel bit is joking, but I'm not sure. Confirm or deny?

I don't get the townvibes you're getting from Titan either. Clarify please.

I'm never scum.
The AA9-bit was as mentioned serious. Not as strong as I made it sound, but not as weak as you seem to think.
The Titan townvibes are pretty dang obvious; they're bleeding town with every single post.

1) Your meta says otherwise.
2) What? Why should she

not

vote you? Seriously, scum motivation for her voting of you, please and thank you.
3) Why do you suck at explaining townreads?

AA9 scumread is gut. Voting for a hydra is one thing. Voting for a hydra when they've done nothing to distinguish themselves from the other hydras, with the justification of it being a hydra, is entirely another. Voting for a hydra for being a hydra and giving an additional reason for why that hydra would be fine, but that's not what happened. It shows potentially-selective-scumhunting. Hence, the callout on AA9 being scum.

I mean like, really, this is such an overanalysis of a harmless RVS post it isn't even funny.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheUnderachivers

2) What? Why should she not vote you? Seriously, scum motivation for her voting of you, please and thank you.

We have a town PM. Scum motive for voting us found.

(In all seriousness--I've explained it. Potentially-selective-scumhunting. In the sense that she might have been singling out a player [us] while ignoring others.)

vote hydras

VOTE: The UnderAchivers

"She said vote hydras and voted me, one of the hydras, in RVS, she must be selectively scumhunting!"

That's like, as weak as my grandma.

And she's

dead

, so she's definitely not very strong.

Also, this is a classic catch-22.
People ask for reasons on AA9.
Give none, I'm scum.
Give them, I'm still scum.

I already told you the read wasn't strong.

I don't even know what this is supposed to be an appeal to. Emotion? I don't know if I can even call it that.

Your reasons are literally the definition of terrible. (Golden Rule: If HD can take it apart like an Oreo, it isn't good

The fact of the matter is though that you're calling me scum for not noticing how you townread Antilles in a one-off, obscure post. And, let me point this out again, your own hydra partner couldn't find it either.

Scum lie. So from my perspective you lied. And then when I pointed out said lie/missed post. You continued to push that we were scum despite your original reasoning being false and that's just seems like crap reasoning to me. Though if you actually had another reasoning like you claimed then I'll drop it, respond to your other accusations and hope that you can see the error of your ways.

Even better--neither of you seem to be able to explain

why

Antilles is town.

You've just sort of thrown it out there and called everyone who doesn't agree with you an idiot or scum.

So tell me, why is he town?

The bolded is funny due to ongoing games. lol

Why is he scum? SRS, there are much scummier suspects out there. So no, I'm not going to play nooblet style mafia and just wagon for the sake of wagoning.

Why are you not voting DGB, Bulb?

Why do you feel the need to deflect back to me?
Answer the question.

This is something I do every game. If I don't have a scum read on them I just let them ride in the town pile until they do something really scummy or until there's a really good case on them.

So...what is the case on them?

The fact that you explicitly declared a townread on them means you must have some sort of reasoning for calling them town.
Because, y'know, someone that does nothing alignment-indicative is...null.
So try again, this time answering my question. This is about the 6th time I've asked you, and I'm getting tired of asking it.

Why is Antilles town? Be specific.

[Human Destroyer]

BT's 35 is really strange. He's telling Reek that what Bulb did isn't so anti-town but then he's agreeing with Titan that Bulb is scum. Total cong dis.

I read the same way as Rach Marie the first time. She's right about hydra's not always being town so it was an obvious joke but I guess I could see scum jumping on what looks like a terrible post.

I totally get where Mastin is coming from. Arc voting for our hydra specifically is selective scumhunting. Selective scumhuning

is

a scumtell. But since its RVS I disagree with my other head.

RE hydra meta: Meta in general isn't the say all be all of scumhunting. I think one of my favorite examples is when Mastin called AP town in Harry Potter based on meta. I think meta on a hydra is difficult but I guess it can be used but like with any meta it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Read through page 5 so far.

oh and this pinged for some reason

I think it was because I know neither of you are stupid and the arcangel scumread is stupid as fuck

[Human Destroyer]

You guys really think TUA is scum after having the KBW wagon pop up as a counterwagon to it...seriously?

Yep.
Wagon analysis is no use when you just take a look at the votes; I've learned this the hard way. You actually have to look at why and when people voted.

[Human Destroyer]

BLOCKED

boosh

[Human Destroyer]

I don't have a town read on them either, but I'm just not sure. I don't even know what I'm going to think about dgb's alignment if they come back scum. Earlier when I said I was considering moving to tua I thought that if tua was scum it would make dgb more likely to be town, I guess, though I wouldn't put it past her to bus cuz she's crafty, but then she moved to wtf world when I was trying to work out my reads there and I don't know what to think anymore.

Translation: TUA is my scumbuddy, so I don't want to set DGB up to be lynch-immune for the rest of the game by calling her town if TUA is scum.

This dies after TUA.

[Human Destroyer]

Also, is anyone having their page spaz between normal and text-only? Or is that just me?

I've been having that. >.<

hd what's your read on bulbazak?

Town. Why?

[Human Destroyer]

hd what's your read on bulbazak?

Town. Why?

What do you think of DGB calling him scum?

Not much of anything really?

You act like she doesn't have the ability to change her reads when she realizes there is evidence that conflicts her original read. You also act like having a different read would be scummy. Which...they aren't.

[Human Destroyer]

Hmm, not me. What browser are you using?

Internet Explorer 9.

I'm getting it on Chrome.

[Human Destroyer]

Not much of anything really?

You act like she doesn't have the ability to change her reads when she realizes there is evidence that conflicts her original read. You also act like having a different read would be scummy. Which...they aren't.

....No? Idrk about that right now. But can you

see

where she's coming from or not?

I understand what she's talking about and where she's coming from--but I don't agree with her.

And yeah, Chrome's been spazzing for me.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh man, which wagon to join

both of them are so good D:

Although, my stronger town reads are on Jennifer.

VOTE: Jennifer

[Human Destroyer]

I agree she has a shitty voting record, but I don't see her bussing KBW and TUA, and choosing to vote TUA of the two.

Both of them were pretty obvious scum really.
I'd be surprised if she didn't bus them.

[Human Destroyer]

@DGB Gah.. no self-votes. That never, ever, ever helps town.

Also, Voided is using plurality lynches, so whoever has the most votes when the deadline hits is lynched. The majority is only used for ending the day early if we can all agree (no clue what happens if we have a tie but no majority at deadline -- first to get to that number?)

I forgot Antilles was playing.
@Antilles What points of TUA made you unvote?

went into jen's ISO for associative tells

lmfao

also hello distancing from scumbuddy Antilles

[Human Destroyer]

I'll be honest, I understood almost nothing of this post.

DGB Bulbazak is town. Push Titan instead and I'll be fine.

[Human Destroyer]

I'll be honest, I understood almost nothing of this post.

DGB Bulbazak is town. Push Titan instead and I'll be fine.

I think both are scum. We've already lynched 2 scums, so the order isn't all that important.

Lemme give Titan another look tomorrow morning, I'll check which is scummiest between Bulbazak & Titan.

Let's just keep this up and see where the scum moves its votes, K? We can decide on the actual lynch later.

Can you check if Syryana is scum or derp?

later today, remind me if I forget

[Human Destroyer]

Syr analysis coming up...

[Human Destroyer]

The Acting Method first:

Okay, I missed all of that, and I've been gone all day... I read through and I'm still confused someone care to sum up the day so far?

"OMG I read through but I'm so confused tell me what's happening!"

This is a way to dodge taking stances. If he's confused, how can he be held to anything?

Okay, I should get down to business and try and make hide or tail of what's been said.

Promise of content. Without any content.

I have two site meta's...

And really it probably tells you more about the size of the game and/or my schedule at the time.

I've read through to about page 5 of the game... I have no idea who to vote for if any... Not enough standout interchanges or scum hints.

Still no stances.

HD is most likely town, it feels like his usual towny blustering. As usual, he is wrong about me, but that happens in every game he assumes I am scum it seems like, so I am used to that.

2 games TAM and I were in I thought it was more? Open 472 (Pick Your Power), and Lover's Mafia. In both of those games TAM lurked something fierce.

I want some answers TAM.... Seems like you sometimes do not lurk?

That is correct. In fact, as I believe I said earlier, I have two metas.

epic lurking TAM, and epic Active TAM and sometimes a hybrid of the two.

My activity level is an unreliable tell as RachMarie just pointed out. The two games she listed? I'm scum in one, and town in the other.

So yeah, and please, try and use something other than my posts which clearly state that I'm trying to keep up and am confused for scumtells?

Well all you've done so far is defend yourself and promise content so you've been completely useless at best, scummy at worst.

A newbie, I was scum, he was town. Scumteam completely fooled and slaughtered town thanks to some clever play and good luck.

right now Pony,

I'm watching and observing

, I'll make comments when I feel best able too.

Ew.

I'd also like to point out for those who didn't notice that, I wouldn't answer that question under any circumstance. It is actually a leading question and it's generally considered a bad question to ask in RQS in general. (Which I'm a proponent of in newbie games.) However, I generally don't use it outside of newbie games because I don't feel myself capable of what Flay considers a good RQS. (please read the mafia discussion thread on RQS to see what I'm talking about.)

Overexplanation that's completely unneeded and, IIRC, unprovoked.

I'd also like to point out for those who didn't notice that, I wouldn't answer that question under any circumstance. It is actually a leading question and it's generally considered a bad question to ask in RQS in general. (Which I'm a proponent of in newbie games.) However, I generally don't use it outside of newbie games because I don't feel myself capable of what Flay considers a good RQS. (please read the mafia discussion thread on RQS to see what I'm talking about.)

Did it literally take you almost a week to decide to answer that? It's a question and the reaction to the question can actually be telling. Why did you choose to answer this several days old question instead of actually comment on the game or anything in it? No one cares about RQS or what are good questions at that stage. What we care about it is commenting on actual game.

Pretty sure I responded to it earlier.

Oh yeah Post 50 (when I entered the game.)

Serra, you should know better than to ask me if I'm scum here.

I believe I lectured you on the catch-22 of that statement in the aforementioned n00b?

That's pretty much a short version of what I just said in the post you quoted.

I still have to take the time to read up and catch up. As I have said the past couple of times, so far nothing has piqued my interest enough, and frankly, the only thing I've really felt anything about was the "Policy lynch idea is bad."

So, besides not really giving much new content and focusing more on slight minor things that get brought up that draw my attention (which there is both town and scum evidence on me doing so it's null.) Anyone got anything of value for a case against me?

"Nothing's scummy. Make a case on me. Good bye."

You made one on yourself buddy.

Okay, my thoughts on the game so far...

This is different from any of my other games on site how?

However to get down to business.

I really need to do at the very least an ISO of the game... It's keeping me from scumhunting.

Still, promise of content, no actual content.

/replace out please

... I'm never going to be able to take the time and catch up the way I'd like too.

Just quick Defense of that link.

1. I'm a replacement in linked game, also extenuating circumstances from then and now are different.
2. This game has a shit ton of hydras, and a shit ton of posts from accounts that are not those hydras but consist of players within those hydras. Do you realize what a pain that is to read and keep straight? (I'm actually getting why people dislike Hydras now.)

But I'm replacing out so that should be all.

Not even a replacing out reads list? Nothing? At all?

tl;dr TAM had literally no content and just replaced out for no real reason.

[Human Destroyer]

Sorry; was taking care of my Mish Mash game.

Next up is TheLurker!

VOTE: BT

Sticks out the most thru page 10. I'll be back.

oh hell naw BT was towntowntown

Zdenek

BT's posts are the perfect blend of pet theories, fearmongering, patronization, and bullshitting. Lynch Zdenek's slot soon.

VOTE: keybladewielder

Townies are Reek, Archivers, ArcAngel, MO.

BUSSING DETECTED

"Please lynch Zdenek, I'mma vote KBW for towncred k?"

No, you are quite shitty ATM.

irony

Thank you. As you can see, I changed my vote after I finished my skim.

why?

I'm not fond of the lurker right now. Might be residue from my feelings of TAM, though his opening post rubs me the wrong way.

Why are you getting any feelings from TAM? Judging from his posts, he was obviously too busy to even play, rendering the whole thing null, maybe a few defenses here and there before he replaced out. It seems more like an unrelenting tunnel than something you've actually thought about. You should probably join one of the main two wagons instead of playing obtuse and continuing a rather unbased line of voting.

"Being suspicious of me, you must be tunneling!"

Wow Zde is really right about this slot. :l

I'm not fond of the lurker right now. Might be residue from my feelings of TAM, though his opening post rubs me the wrong way.

Why are you getting any feelings from TAM?

Judging from his posts, he was obviously too busy to even play, rendering the whole thing null, maybe a few defenses here and there before he replaced out

. It seems more like an unrelenting tunnel than something you've actually thought about.

You should probably join one of the main two wagons instead of playing obtuse and continuing a rather unbased line of voting.

I'm actually going to keep my vote on Lurker. re-reading, this post here kick's my gut real hard, especially the Bolded, and his latest post doesn't make me feel any better. I realize my vote is Idling on TAM/Lurker though the fact that he had to call that out and tell me to switch to two larger wagons to me, Suggests that he doesn't like having the vote against him.

also, Amish tell anyone?

mm, it's actually a call for you to out some other reads besides tunneling on me

that's not the amished tell btw marangal

but hoooooooooly shit this is bad

[Human Destroyer]

Lastly, Syryana him/herself.

Page 11 break time!

Thoughts:

People I like: Titan, HD, AA9, serra
People I don't like: KBW, TUA, Bulbazak, Reek, Otterhorse
People that haven't made an impression one way or the other: Errbody else.

At this moment, probably would vote for TUA if I had to vote. Lunch time nao.

I guess this isn't a terrible reads list based on when he made it? I don't understand Otter-scum or serra-town though, those seem kinda out of the blue.

Now at page 21. Time to update my reads!

Thoughts:

People I like: Titan, HD, AA9, serra
People I don't like: KBW, TUA, Bulbazak, Reek, Otterhorse
People that haven't made an impression one way or the other: Errbody else.

I'm putting this crap in a table.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD BT AA9	serra/Jennifer	Ms Marangal Klick	MO Robocopter87 Otterhorse RachMarie	TUA Bulbazak Reek Antilles KBW

No particular order (in terms of the order of names in each column) yet. I'll let you know if I fix it such that the order means something.

This is so much more difficult to look at because of the way I make these posts but anyway

I forget what page it was where Titan started to scum. It was some page though. idk if Syr's gotten to that point yet.

Why the fuck is serra/Jennifer slot null-town? Why isn't MM town? Why is OH null-scum? Why is Bulbazak scum? (Sorry DGB, still disagree with you on that slot being scum.) Why is KBW even here? I don't remember Rach very well but what makes her null-scum?

Page 31. The sheer volume of Amished tells in the last 10 pages made my head explode.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD serra Jennifer	BT zdenek AA9	Ms Marangal Klick	Bulbazak Robocopter87 Otterhorse RachMarie	TUA MO Reek DGB Antilles KBW

Wide net of suspicion is widening. Town reads are beginning to disappear.

Page 41.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD serra Jennifer	Bulbazak BT zdenek	Ms Marangal AA9 Klick	Robocopter87 Otterhorse RBD RachMarie	TUA MO Reek DGB Antilles

Now this is pretty odd. Not sure why Syr even started with Bulb-scum, but I'm also not sure what propelled his change to Bulb being null-town. Scumreads don't appear to be fluid or reconsidered with the exception of Bulbazak, nothing's explained at all.

there's another post but it has more unexplained reads so not worth looking at

Long fackin read.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD Bulbazak	Otterhorse RBD Robocopter87 BBMolla	AA9 BT zdenek serra Jennifer Klick	Ms Marangal RachMarie	TUA MO Reek DGB Antilles

Alrighty. I frankly don't care whether we lynch goof or TUA; they're both on my lyst of lynchables. I'm voting for TUA though, since I've had a gut scumread on that slot since the first few pages.

VOTE: TUA

"Give me towncred pls"

Still no reads explanation. Somehow Bulb went from obv-scum to obv-town.

Cool. So, DGB or Antilles next?

One town, one scum buddy. Mm hmm.

I'm good with Antilles.
VOTE: Antilles

@MO: You're on my scumreads list along with DGF, Antilles and UA. Considering the two available lynches were both your scumbuddies (UA and DGF), you bussing one of them doesn't earn you towncred with me. Your "twilight post" (such as it was) was the first thing you've said in quite a while I didn't outright hate. It's not enough to put you out of my scum category, but it's a step in the right direction.

Why is xe so hesitant to actually push MO here? Xe talks about how certain xe is about the scumread...but never EVER follows through.

I'd look here on a Syr scumflip.

I'd much rather see a lynch on DGB or Antilles than Jen. However, it would hardly break my heart if we lynched Jen instead; her play in the last 20 or so pages was enough to downgrade her from a decent townread to a null read.

RBD, BB: Why do the two of you think Jen is scum?

Bulba: Who are your current scumreads? BB can answer this too (not counting Jen).

???
I'd also look at Jen as a potential Syr partner.

I was going to continue but I'm legitimately bored of this. Let's just wagon the slot.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Syryana

[Human Destroyer]

@HD - Do you see meta by difference as a valid way to use it? For example "Player X was scum in this past game, they arent reading the same here so player X is town"?

I don't think what you're describing is a meta read.
People change playstyles too (I try to but I sorta go back to my old playstyle unconsciously anyway) so I mean if it's something like "Oh he played this way as scum last game but he's playing differently this game so TOWN!" or vice versa, I'd say that's not valid.

[Human Destroyer]

Before the game begins

you may talk among yourselves to plan strategies and the like Here.

You people really need reading comprehension lessons.

[Human Destroyer]

Good to know I think...

Explain your D1 with KBW though, especially with relation to me jumping hard on him early as policy lynch worthy. I know you have seen him play, but when I actually come in swinging hard at him as being a strong candidate for policy lynch, especially if he is kinda scummy - im actually more than a bit surprised that you didnt agree let alone really even notice it given timeframes.

Your basic mentions of him D1:

Post is bad (71)
He is still scum (actually this is the first time you call him scum - and its happening when im calling for a policy lynch)
*ugh I need to read my own iso more... ive done that "call correct pairing" more than once and forget about it later*

When you

know

the type of player he is... I just dont really see you ignoring him as much as you do as town. If nothing else to give some sort of agreemnt or counter insight on him since I dont think many if any other players here have been in a game with him.

Going off that "own iso" thing im going to move Jen to somewhat solid town. Usually when im getting one thing right im getting quite a bit right. Im also going to continue to call HD scum for when I said "Jen is town, im voting KBW for now though" again challenging that without really giving any other counter reads to those two (and KBW was apparently scum to him)

Plus go look at 1278/1281

Backs off TUA to give mastin a chance to prove himself, Vote Jen, After TUA votes Jen "withholds what he thinks until after lynch"

Then tried to delay TUA lynch a day when first pushed by DGB...
Backs DGB for about next large amount of time ignoring anything else...
Eventually decides to continue to back DGB and sheep TUA when its obvious thats his only option...

He really is scum, if it takes a couple hours of me sitting down this weekend to prove it thats what it will take.

Im gunna say Syryana is town, Bulb is more 50-50ish, im not going back there. Maybe would back MM lynch, probably not.

Wasn't around late Day 1; I remember KBW being scummy because of his voting pattern or something like that. He does tend to make a good policy lynch though, I agree.

@Bolded: Mastin doesn't bus was what I was thinking of. Reason I still came in voting Jen today though is that I thought their near immediate vote switch was trying to avoid said bussing.

DrippingGoofball

-

Titan

, RachMarie

Antilles

-

Rainbowdash

,

Bulbazak

Ms Marangal

-

BBmolla

,

Antilles

,

Jennifer

Jennifer

-

Ms. Marangal

,

Underachivers

Underachivers

-

DrippingGoofball

,

Human Destroyer

, zdenek

people in red needs lynched

people in green should never be lynched ever

LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN

I'm sorry, NO WAY does a scum post a list of people "NEVER BE LYNCHED EVER" in a nightless. And FIVE players, no less.

NO

WAY

But now that I notice it's pretty hilarious that he put himself in red as "needs lynched."

I wasn't paying enough attention when I made that post

[Human Destroyer]

Backs off TUA to give mastin a chance to prove himself, Vote Jen, After TUA votes Jen "withholds what he thinks until after lynch"

I think this needs to be explained.

Done.

The thing about nightless is if we have like, 3 solid townreads we can just start lynching amongst the rest.

Instead were opting to take three decades per lynch.

Information overload imo

Oh yeah I didn't even think of that.

This would probably work.

[Human Destroyer]

Well it'd work if we could decide on those 3 uber-towns.

P-Edit: Yeah I know but then I read Mind Reader Mafia; Mastin literally stopped bussing out of nowhere in the middle of a LYLO day just because he vowed to never bus again.

Stupid on his part I think, but such is the case.

[Human Destroyer]

I've taken a vow to never bus again

So much for vows, eh?

Oi! I told you to read the mafia QT! The explanation is in there.

Also, the dead QT itself says as much. The entirety of /invitational 15 was after Guile was already dead. It started after Guile was dead, it ended midway through D4. Furthermore, if you look at the timing, you'll realize that I stopped pushing UN as being scum at all immediately after I took the vow. (I didn't say as much since I took the vow while /invitational 15 was still ongoing; it's there in that mafia QT.) The vow was never broken. It simply hadn't existed at the time.

Seriously, timestamps are important.

^important post of importantness

Oh yeah I didn't even think of that.

This would probably work.

The problem is if you get one of them wrong, you lose.

But as long as you don't quicklynch all within 6 hours and lose the game without a thought you'll be fine.

I'm aware.

I think we can pull it off though.

[Human Destroyer]

DrippingGoofball
Ms. Marangal
Bulbazak
BBMolla
Rainbowdash

More than enough strong townreads to win this.

E z p z

Though, I guess we need to come to a consensus on 3 people that are basically so uber-town they win the game simply by not getting lynched. Sadly, I don't think there's

anyone

that's considered uber-town by everyone.

We need to fix this.

[Human Destroyer]

HD, Zdenek and myself.

Three townies.

I'd be fine with this personally (forgot about Zdenek earlier, he's escalated to townread for me since I made the reads list I copied that from).

[Human Destroyer]

We could do this calculated, everyone who is actually active list their reads towniest to scummiest, someone puts it in a machine that determines who is scummiest on everyone's list.

Alternatively we could all just post people we're willing to lynch atm

I know this rushing things seems anti town but I feel like we've been going backwards this whole day.

Or just have everyone list their townreads?

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Syryana

Modkills, they be removin' mah vote!

P-Edit: But I think Bulba's town

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Syryana

[Human Destroyer]

1) Or he's just pissed cause I call him scum every game. That too. If I was in his place I'd just shut up and ignore my buddies at that point, as they would probably have reason to bus me. IDK about KBW though I've never seen him actually play scum till this game.
2) Having multiple scum reads and jumping between them isn't scummy, sorry to disappoint.
3) Again, I just voted for a scumread at that point. I have *gasp* multiple scumreads! Wow!
4) The fuck? I had Bulb and MM on my never lynch town list! Titan was a developing scumread and the rest were all scumreads going into Day 2. So again...calling me scum for having multiple scumreads and deciding to pursue different ones than the one that's already flipped scum is just dumb.
5) Congratulations, this is a thing called scumhunting! This is also a thing called having multiple scumreads, a requirement for games with multiple scum! Hooray!
6) Why are you misrepping me here? I was never

completely

against a TUA lynch, I wanted to test a theory I had about Mastin meta that required a Jen flip. In addition, you again act like I was going for a Bulb lynch when every single post of mine has declared him town.

Seriously, if you find a post where I call Bulbazak scum, I will self vote.

6.5) Now you're actually making me wary; you tended to push crappy "scumslips" when you were scum in Low Budget. I was just not paying attention when I made that post, I was probably rushing so I could go do something else.
7) That's how I always make cases. Herp de derp.
8) I don't actually know what you're talking about, you'll need to show me.

So tl;dr this is a case that complains I had multiple scumreads and in so doing arbitrarily happened to not push one that has already flipped scum, that I "scumslipped", that I pushed mislynches I didn't actually push, and playstyle. Oh and apparently some crappy associative tell with KBW or something.

Yeah no.

[Human Destroyer]

Vote Syryana

I just want to prove him town at this point to stop myself from going off a cliff if im wrong.

wtf is this even

[Human Destroyer]

I KNOW RIGHT

Go here
ISO Desperado, one of the scum
Go to like the end of Day 2-ish

[Human Destroyer]

bingo

[Human Destroyer]

so you're going to stop leaving me alone on this wagon, then?

*shrug* sure why not

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RBD

[Human Destroyer]

Zdenek, I could lynch DCL. I don't think his first post was really that scummy though.

I really don't see how town could have possibly made that post. He's trying to drop town-tells about things he would know if he read the opening post, but without reading the opening post, he wouldn't have thought to have commented on any of them.

the post makes sense in context

it isn't really alignment indicative like you're saying it is, cause asking if you need a majority to lynch ain't a towntell nor a faked towntell

[Human Destroyer]

Why is it taking so long to get a final vote on syry...

because rbd scummed the wagon up really badly

[Human Destroyer]

I almost said intent to hammer, please claim but this is mountainous so I'm a sillypants

Syryana, final reads before I hammer you?

[Human Destroyer]

Arc's posts

[Human Destroyer]

^intent to hammer

[Human Destroyer]

For the record I think Destroying Chickens Licking Xenophobic Viking Iguanas is town

I like this acronym

VOTE: MO

L-1

[Human Destroyer]

By fake hammer I mean

fake-fakehammer

That was a hammer, HD.

no it wasn't

6 to lynch, 5th vote = L-1

also no not really expecting a claim

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MO

VOTE: MetalOverLaod

Choo! Choo!

VOTE: MO

vote:MO

For the record I think Destroying Chickens Licking Xenophobic Viking Iguanas is town

I like this acronym

VOTE: MO

L-1

unless I really fail at counting
it's L-1
so therefore a fake-fake-fakehammr

[Human Destroyer]

Jennifer and DGB are my top 2 scum reads for now.

could vote this scum just for being irritating

Yeah, not a slip.

unvote:MO

what was your reasoning for voting him in the first place?

[Human Destroyer]

Read the rest of the sentence. MO and I are both sort of in a limbo world where we're kind of scummy but not really and I was saying that he's town to the point where I would completely trust him in an endgame scenario.

One more reason to lynch Nacho, provided by Nacho.

Yes I'm sure Nacho-scum would suggest a plan that would near-guaranteed get him lynched quickly considering the amount of people that scumread him.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jennifer

[Human Destroyer]

Read the rest of the sentence. MO and I are both sort of in a limbo world where we're kind of scummy but not really and I was saying that he's town to the point where I would completely trust him in an endgame scenario.

One more reason to lynch Nacho, provided by Nacho.

Yes I'm sure Nacho-scum would suggest a plan that would near-guaranteed get him lynched quickly considering the amount of people that scumread him.

TBH 99% certain he would.

Nacho's not suicidal.

[Human Destroyer]

I had AA9 as town, don't remember why.

Lemme check.

[Human Destroyer]

OH WAIT YEAH I REMEMBER

The spat they had at the beginning of the game where TUA called ArcAngel scum for "selective scumhunting" in her RVS vote?

Yeah, that. She's town.

[Human Destroyer]

Because she's trying to lynch the two designated mislynches of yesterday and ignoring the jennifer scum flip completely?

idk I tend to ignore unexpected flips as town because I just have my head in a specific mindset and I'm just like "yeah I'm right bitch don't fuck with me"

[Human Destroyer]

#goodwagenz

VOTE: MO

[Human Destroyer]

this better be over now, I'm actually sorta getting bored by this game

[Human Destroyer]

goddammit Day 9 is too big a number for a mafia game

MM lynch was understandble.

mara was modkilled for some silly rulebreak or something, not lynched

are you guys thinking of MO...?

Molla is like obvious obvious town btw we're never lynching him ever

DCL and Arc are my only not-townreads so really it's probably between one of them, so when I stop being horribly apathetic about this game I'll try to get to that

P-Edit: Oh wait that's Master Mew

nvm then

[Human Destroyer]

I don't really feel like paranoia lynching yet.

^This.

2 of my townreads are basically saying "lynch from this pool of 3 townreads!" so I'll pass kthx.

VOTE: AA9

[Human Destroyer]

Where's HD? I want him.

here but I'm falling asleep, we can talk tomorrow

AA9 townread died in a burning hellfire I'll explain tomorrow

[Human Destroyer]

I'm here, have no plans to vote DGB, and have some explaining to do about ArcAngel read progression.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh I remembered there being more to the progression, huh

Anyway, Arc's play yesterday was really not focused on scumhunting or town play, but rather discrediting a lot of players in the game who were actually looking for scum, mostly those pushing her, and she always seems to disappear at the most opportune times.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm pretty sure that the last scum is human destroyer. I'm feeling lazy and don't really want to make a case though. I will if I have to, but I'd much prefer it if I didn't.

Vote: Human Destroyer

Not really.

Also AA9 y u ignore me?

[Human Destroyer]

ignore you where? I didn't get your question

you completely ignored the fact that I just explained that I'm not townreading you anymore and that scum is probably between you and DCL. why?

[Human Destroyer]

The spat they had at the beginning of the game where TUA called ArcAngel scum for "selective scumhunting" in her RVS vote?

Yeah, that. She's town.

Anyway, Arc's play yesterday was really not focused on scumhunting or town play, but rather discrediting a lot of players in the game who were actually looking for scum, mostly those pushing her, and she always seems to disappear at the most opportune times.

I don't like this flip.

Huh, I actually forgot about that point.

Hm.

[Human Destroyer]

His early play was incredibly non-aggressive - asks questions and not attacking.

...okay? Remind me how this is scummy?

Then attacks TUA (Monday), vanishes Tuesday, comes back Wednesday with a flurry of posts:
Tries to tie Antilles to TUA, keeps pushing TUA, defends Marangal because she's being normal, doesn't lile Rach's comment, TAM is scum, Otterhorse is town, KBW is scum, Antilles is pretty scummy, tries to tie Marangal to KBW, says he likes Titan, light scum read on Serrapaladin.

*with the exception of Serra, he calls scum, scum, and defends town, calls town town and at worst calls town, pretty scummy.

Again, how is this scummy?

Despite pushing TUA hard before, takes a break to question Klick about his metal overlord scum read.

Is this going to be a huge wall post where I just ask "why is this scummy"?
I can do that, y'know, though it'd be fairly boring.

He says that he won't be happy until MO is lynched, despite the fact that they are sharing scum reads, and looking at it now, his reason at the time didn't seems all that great. He also didn't vote him immediately. I think this is scum exaggerating the strength of an argument against someone, failing to read someone rationally, and deciding to keep bussing for a bit, while what they had to say suggested they should change their vote.

Or I could have that magical thing called multiple scumreads.
People seem to be calling that out a lot as if that's super scummy when...it's really not.

Claims a scum read on Reek, just before DGB replaced in. After that consistently buddies DGB.

DGB towntold a lot when she replaced in. Strong townread =/= buddy.

The fact that he was attacking MO for voting TUA, but then voted TUA makes literally no sense.

Hm? Where was this? I agree with you that it makes no sense, probably because I never did it.

Despite several accurate scum reads on day one, at the start of day two he only pushes TUA.

Again, why is this scummy?

Pushes the Amished tell against MO, not against DGB (despite thinking reek was scum).

Amished Tell has a clause that says it doesn't work on females.
Didn't I mention this?

Attacks Jen, doesn't vote her, but complains about the wagon falling apart.

I'm 75-80% sure I voted her, so I don't think this is accurate at all.
I do complain about wagons I'm not on falling apart that I think are on scumbuddies of the people I

am

voting though--maybe this was one of those games? Meh, memory's shot, don't care to look back.

Tries to clear TUA based on a Jennifer scum flip.

Mastin reading 101: If he votes and pushes scum, he isn't scum.
TUA's immediate vote change to tug their vote straight off of Jennifer in the literal 10 seconds after they voted her struck me as dodging a bussing bullet though.
If you'd like to tell me why my scum self then proceeded to bus the two of them in succession, go ahead! I doubt it, though.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DCL

Coasting scum.

[Human Destroyer]

So HD is voting DCL now, who he defended earlier when I was suggesting that DCL fake town-telled when he replaced in, and as if the accusation that he's been coasting scum wasn't valid then too. He's voting DCL to try to appease me and draw my attention back over there.

No...
Now you're tunneling. Stahp it.

vote:HD

^Opportunistic.

[Human Destroyer]

Care to respond to my case instead of throwing out buzzwords?

...what case?

[Human Destroyer]

Let me pose a hypothetical question.

If you were scum, and a lot of the town was proposing that two townies be the ones to make it through lylo, what would you do?

A. offer to be killed.
B. try to get one of those townies lynched.

Just some food for thought.

Wait, this is supposed to be a case?

You're basically saying "Look at how town I am, everyone's townreading me!" and because I don't townread you...I'm...somehow...scum?
You're scum, this is a horrific AtPO.

[Human Destroyer]

Thank you for admitting that you're not actually scumhunting and you're just trying to avoid being attacked, I guess.
Thanks for also admitting that you're coasting scum.

[Human Destroyer]

I admitted I was coasting scum? Care to quote me on that?

If you were scum, and a lot of the town was proposing that two townies be the ones to make it through lylo, what would you do?

A. offer to be killed.
B. try to get one of those townies lynched.

this is you saying you're coasting to LYLO because people are saying you're town and that anyone who scumreads you should be lynched

like srsly if I get lynched today I want you lynched tomorrow

So HD is voting DCL now, who he defended earlier when I was suggesting that DCL fake town-telled when he replaced in, and as if the accusation that he's been coasting scum wasn't valid then too. He's voting DCL to try to appease me and draw my attention back over there.

Why does he want to appease you?

Because I'm attacking him and he's scum.

wow you're doing a great job at completely ignoring me

[Human Destroyer]

fine, if this seriously happens, just lynch DCL tomorrow and it should be a win anyway

idk why you guys want to prolong this by lynching me though

[Human Destroyer]

idk why you guys want to prolong this by lynching me though

do you know what this is
this is an appeal to fear

what

no not really

[Human Destroyer]

like I'm pissed but I don't understand how this appeals to fear

at all

[Human Destroyer]

fear of boredom, HD

the boredom's already there and has been there, nacho

the game kinda shriveled after...I think it was MO's lynch? idk

but w/e you want to think nacho, just lynch DCL tomorrow

[Human Destroyer]

can you see the void? it calls to you, HD

The void has no shape nor size, so no, I can't see it

I hear a faint voice in my head that seems to want a Venetian monkey though, is that the call of the void?

[Human Destroyer]

yup. buy yourself a venetian monkey, and when you come back you'll be surrounded with all of your friends.

hd letting me shit talk him as i grind him into dust detected
him finally realizing he's reached the end of his rope detected

actually I was just joking around with you

but okay

[Human Destroyer]

kill dcl tomorrow kthx

[Human Destroyer]

wait what

[Human Destroyer]

well that's awkward

I actually thought I was town

[Human Destroyer]

We should have a make up game

Same players
Same alignments

Except that the scum knows who they are.

or someone could just host another mountainous

I like that idea better