NY 163: Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple (Game Over)

[Syryana]

Howdy folks. On page 7 or so now. Will have something for you in a couple hours.

[Syryana]

Page 11 break time!

Thoughts:

People I like: Titan, HD, AA9, serra
People I don't like: KBW, TUA, Bulbazak, Reek, Otterhorse
People that haven't made an impression one way or the other: Errbody else.

At this moment, probably would vote for TUA if I had to vote. Lunch time nao.

[Syryana]

Now at page 21. Time to update my reads!

Thoughts:

People I like: Titan, HD, AA9, serra
People I don't like: KBW, TUA, Bulbazak, Reek, Otterhorse
People that haven't made an impression one way or the other: Errbody else.

I'm putting this crap in a table.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD BT AA9	serra/Jennifer	Ms Marangal Klick	MO Robocopter87 Otterhorse RachMarie	TUA Bulbazak Reek Antilles KBW

No particular order (in terms of the order of names in each column) yet. I'll let you know if I fix it such that the order means something.

[Syryana]

I do believe you replaced in on the page where I stopped to make that table. While I'm reading the rest of the thread, why don't you tell me why Titan isn't town?

[Syryana]

Page 31. The sheer volume of Amished tells in the last 10 pages made my head explode.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD serra Jennifer	BT zdenek AA9	Ms Marangal Klick	Bulbazak Robocopter87 Otterhorse RachMarie	TUA MO Reek DGB Antilles KBW

[Syryana]

Page 41.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD serra Jennifer	Bulbazak BT zdenek	Ms Marangal AA9 Klick	Robocopter87 Otterhorse RBD RachMarie	TUA MO Reek DGB Antilles

[Syryana]

Almost donnnneeeeeee.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD Bulbazak serra Jennifer	Otterhorse RBD	AA9 BT zdenek Robocopter87 BBMolla Klick	Ms Marangal RachMarie	TUA MO Reek DGB Antilles

[Syryana]

Long fackin read.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD Bulbazak	Otterhorse RBD Robocopter87 BBMolla	AA9 BT zdenek serra Jennifer Klick	Ms Marangal RachMarie	TUA MO Reek DGB Antilles

Alrighty. I frankly don't care whether we lynch goof or TUA; they're both on my lyst of lynchables. I'm voting for TUA though, since I've had a gut scumread on that slot since the first few pages.

VOTE: TUA

[Syryana]

Cool. So, DGB or Antilles next?

[Syryana]

Who's satan cat?

[Syryana]

I'm curious as to your towntell for DC. I've got him (and his predecessor) in my null-scum pile.

[Syryana]

That's pretty silly. I do know that DC hasn't done anything to change my mind on the slot since he replaced in. If anything, he made it slightly worse.

However, "slightly worse" isn't nearly enough to displace the people I've got on my scum list right now.

Pedit: Pretty much the same.

[Syryana]

Did they change yours, MO? Now I think of it, who

are

your scumreads? An updated list would be handy.

[Syryana]

I'm good with Antilles.
VOTE: Antilles

@MO: You're on my scumreads list along with DGF, Antilles and UA. Considering the two available lynches were both your scumbuddies (UA and DGF), you bussing one of them doesn't earn you towncred with me. Your "twilight post" (such as it was) was the first thing you've said in quite a while I didn't outright hate. It's not enough to put you out of my scum category, but it's a step in the right direction.

[Syryana]

I'd much rather see a lynch on DGB or Antilles than Jen. However, it would hardly break my heart if we lynched Jen instead; her play in the last 20 or so pages was enough to downgrade her from a decent townread to a null read.

RBD, BB: Why do the two of you think Jen is scum?

Bulba: Who are your current scumreads? BB can answer this too (not counting Jen).

[Syryana]

Kindly elaborate.

[Syryana]

EBWOP: That was at Molla

[Syryana]

New guy is willing to lynch three townies.

I see that you've managed to forget your scumread on Antilles in your haste to be nasty.

Regarding DrippingGoofballs,

Or, you know, there's that possibility that my reads are spot on, that I correctly saw you were town, that I switched to KB because I correctly saw that he was scum, then I switched to TUA because I correctly saw that he was scum, so much so that I got angry with the town for second-guessing and pussyfooting and not lynching TUA, and maybe I actually tunneled the living daylights of TUA all the next day because I'm that goddamn psychic even in my mafia-depressed state.

Jesus.

Or the other possibility: "HAY GAIZ I BUSSED TWO BUDDIES LOOKIT ME I'M SO TOWN". Considering how anti-town your play has been thus far, that'd be pretty much the only way to get in anyone's good graces. Too bad it's not working.

You want to lynch me for giving reads, now?

No, we want to lynch you because you're an obnoxious scumbag who's liberally littering the thread with scumtells, trolling for all you're worth and using some blatantly obvious bussing to attempt to get some cheap towncred.

[Syryana]

RBD, what's buggin ya about HD?

Also, MM's recent "I'm giving up" is setting off all kinds of alarms. I've never seen her do that before and being wrong about two reads is a bad bad bad reason to give up. Very un-Marangalish.

Satan cat's response to MM's "i'm giving up" post is also setting off alarms. It sounds like scum taking his partner to task.

[Syryana]

QFT.

Not now, not later, not ever.

[Syryana]

What...seriously, no one is even voting you.

Why are people so eager get lynched?

Translation: "Stop drawing attention to yourself numbskull"
".... oh fuck I have to make this not look like scum to scum comms, let's say something generic"

It's the second sentence that gave me the bad vibes. Probably would've passed it over if you hadn't felt the need to elaborate.

[Syryana]

Given the flip, DGB is likely town.

Really? All the ridiculous shit DGB has pulled (and is still pulling), and you want to clear DGB because of a scumflip? Ever heard of a bus?

I'm not sure what to make of the fact that both Day 1 rival lynches were on scum. It does make me less suspicious of MM though because I can't see why MMscum would give me a hard time about not voting KBW but being okay with voting TUA, when she'd town cred regardless.

What do you think of her latest "I'm giving up" posts?

Of the rest, I want to look more at Titan and Zdenek (Klick is still suspicious to me too, but you all know by now how I feel about voting people who are gone). And I still think that MO is probscum.

Why do you find those particular people scummy?

[Syryana]

That's stretching things a bit.

What bad vibes are you getting from the second sentence, for context, its referring to marangal and DGB

That is a remarkably calm response.

I don't like your second sentence because it's a rhetorical question with no purpose. The whole post is filler, but if you'd left it at "what the hell Marangal" I'd probably have overlooked it. However, since you clearly felt the need to embellish I took a closer look.

[Syryana]

That is a remarkably calm response.

I don't like your second sentence because it's a rhetorical question with no purpose. The whole post is filler, but if you'd left it at "what the hell Marangal" I'd probably have overlooked it. However, since you clearly felt the need to embellish I took a closer look.

Why? were you expecting something other than a calm response?

The second line wasn't filler. It was expanding my point to reference the fact that we apparently have more than one suicidal towny in our midst. Which is unusual. Hardly embillishment,

Syry, I want you to respond to this.

I was actually. In the last game I played where you were scum, every time someone attacked your posts you proceeded to flip a shit. The calmness of your response here is interesting, to say the least.

Furthermore, it was filler, because it was a rhetorical question. That is by definition filler.

Also, why do you think MM and DGB are townies?

[Syryana]

#1803 is one of the most amazing backpedals in Mafia history.

VOTE: DGB

[Syryana]

In other news, Syryana came into the game with a townies-to-lynch list, and is just shouting nonsense.

The number of misreps in this post. Where do I start?

Let's start with nonsense. You spent pretty much all of Day 2 yelling and screaming that Titan is scum, even to the point of Titan just losing it and in your words "goes into a psychotic, overthinking tailspin". Then, after tunneling them all of Day 2 and (until your most recent post) Day 3, you decide to go actually read what Titan was saying and go "Oh, well I guess they're not as scummy as I thought". It's like you woke up this morning and decided, hey, let's go after someone else today. You want nonsense, look no further than the reflective altar of your self-adoration.

W.r.t my supposed "list of townies to lynch", I detailed my thought processes over catching up with 60 pages of dense posting and updated my reads accordingly. If you have specific questions about my reads, ask them. If you want to sit back and misrep my list with shitty statements like "list of townies to lynch", you can very kindly fuck off.

@DCL: You're misinterpreting what I'm talking about. In that game (Open 483 for those interested), you liked to build logical cases against people with some obvious flaws. When called on said flaws, you proceeded to get riled and tried to prove how wrong I was about how wrong you were. I'm not seeing that here. I don't know where you got the idea that I was saying you were called scum and went on a rampage. When I commented that your calm response was interesting, I meant it was a point towards you being town.

[Syryana]

Hey scum

You avoided answering my most important question:

Does that [my so-called backpedaling] mean that Titan is scum, or town?

I'd like to know.

I thought it was a rhetorical question. You backpedaling has no bearing on Titan's alignment.

[Syryana]

EBWOP

Why wouldn't it, if I'm scum?

There are multiple reasons that your backpedaling is alignment null w.r.t. Titan. If Titan is town, perhaps you picked Titan as a target to mislynch. Your play has certainly driven them up the wall and iirc you and one of the Titan heads have a lot of history. Perhaps you planned to goad them into something rash and use that to mislynch them. If Titan is scum, you decided to do some cross-bussing (hell, why not, you were already bussing your buddy TUA) and then gave it up as a flimsy job a day later in an attempt to make your 180 on the slot look believable.

There are many other plausible scenarios for either of Titan's possible alignments. That's why your backpedal is null.

Pedit: There are five players missing from that list. Do you think it possible or likely TUA just neglected to mention one or more of his buddies entirely?

[Syryana]

I'll deal with #1827 tomorrow. Don't have time to formulate a proper reply right now.

[Syryana]

*cracks knuckles* Wall response time!

First off, HD makes a special point of mentioning repeatedly that I don't detail why my reads are what they are. I replaced in on the day of the deadline with I think something like 12 hours or less left and 60 pages to read. I'll do my best to highlight why my townreads are what they are, but I'm not going through 60 pages of crap again to justify reads on 15 players.

Lastly, Syryana him/herself.

Page 11 break time!

Thoughts:

People I like: Titan, HD, AA9, serra
People I don't like: KBW, TUA, Bulbazak, Reek, Otterhorse
People that haven't made an impression one way or the other: Errbody else.

At this moment, probably would vote for TUA if I had to vote. Lunch time nao.

I guess this isn't a terrible reads list based on when he made it? I don't understand Otter-scum or serra-town though, those seem kinda out of the blue.

First off, my reads hadn't even evolved to scum/not scum at this point. My reads were more or less "this person gave me good vibes, that person gave me bad vibes, nobody else made an impression." I didn't like Otterhorse for pushing a policy lynch and they were vague about their reasons for the lynch list in #177. I don't like policy lynches except in very extreme circumstances and that's essentially what OH was pushing for the first 10 pages. Serra I liked because he was arguing against policy lynches and I mostly agreed with his early reads(except MsM, but I always think MsM is scum <3).

My early scumreads list was primarily gut-based. Bulba gave me a decently solid scumread early on with his self-vote, then his apparent rush to lynch BT and his fairly terrible reasons to vote Titan. His #245 in particular troubled me. I didn't like how he went from voting Titan to townreading them, calling Otterhorse scum for wanting a PL but only calling Reek null for the same, his stance on TUA felt really off (I had TUA as scum from really early, that in a sec). The whole damn thing just felt fake.

TUA got a gut-scumread from the first few posts they made and they simply got worse from there. #56 is patently awful. They declared Bulba "incredibly town" right after the self-vote exchange between him and BT, the AA scumread was garbage, the Otter scumread was okay until I read the "Forcing heads to claim has always been something I've despised" and I thought what the hell does that have to do with anything. Calling Titan seriously town after two pages of RVS was also shit. Reads are bad, reads are bad, explaining makes them looks worse, AA read is horrid, "I'm never scum" is so forced (#87), God make it stop it's terrible. Like, reading their ISO is just horrifying. In 60 pages of content, that read was one that never wavered.

Reek was scum because policy lynches. Like Otterhorse.

KBW was scummy because apparently in 10 pages of fairly dense content he had nothing to say. Not to mention his unexplained reads in #73.

Now at page 21. Time to update my reads!

Thoughts:

People I like: Titan, HD, AA9, serra
People I don't like: KBW, TUA, Bulbazak, Reek, Otterhorse
People that haven't made an impression one way or the other: Errbody else.

I'm putting this crap in a table.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD BT AA9	serra/Jennifer	Ms Marangal Klick	MO Robocopter87 Otterhorse RachMarie	TUA Bulbazak Reek Antilles KBW

No particular order (in terms of the order of names in each column) yet. I'll let you know if I fix it such that the order means something.

This is so much more difficult to look at because of the way I make these posts but anyway

I forget what page it was where Titan started to scum. It was some page though. idk if Syr's gotten to that point yet.

Why the fuck is serra/Jennifer slot null-town? Why isn't MM town? Why is OH null-scum? Why is Bulbazak scum? (Sorry DGB, still disagree with you on that slot being scum.) Why is KBW even here? I don't remember Rach very well but what makes her null-scum?

Titan didn't enter the wild insane tailspin until DGB joined the game. I dunno when that happened right this second, but it was after page 21. Serra/Jennifer is null/town because I liked Serra for town, but I downgraded the slot after Jen replaced in. She had only made three posts by this point, so I didn't move her slot anywhere. MM's null because I can't read MM for shit, ever. I've been in probably a half-dozen games with her or a hydra of her and I've been pretty much wrong about her every time. OH got onto the nullscum list because they kept talking about policy lynches. However, my rampant dislike of policy lynches wasn't enough to bounce anyone off the already-full scum list since the five already on that list were pretty solid scumreads. KBW is there because I didn't know he was dead at that point; I didn't read ahead except the final page where I posted "Hai gaiz, 60 pages bbl". Rach was on the nullscum list because her "TAM always lurks lol" posts (#273, #274, #287) gave me bad vibes and she started advocating policy lynches in #287. However, much like OH she ended up in the nullscum pile because it wasn't enough to pop anybody off the scum list.

Bulba stayed a scumread here because in the preceding 10 pages he didn't really do much of note other than townread TUA and go "hey let's lynch any of these several people(TAM, Antilles MO), go!", which combined with my scumread from his #245 really didn't go over well. Antilles made the list because he was lurking hardcore and the rare occasion when he did post the posts were on a level of awful until recently reserved for TUA. He'd lurk, ask questions, do little with the answers (it looked like he didn't even care to get answers), lurk some more, post unjustified reads and one-word answers. Then he townread TUA for no apparent reason.

The rest of the reads were more or less constant, which is to say I didn't see anything townie enough from them to swap with one of my null/scum reads.

Page 31. The sheer volume of Amished tells in the last 10 pages made my head explode.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD serra Jennifer	BT zdenek AA9	Ms Marangal Klick	Bulbazak Robocopter87 Otterhorse RachMarie	TUA MO Reek DGB Antilles KBW

Wide net of suspicion is widening. Town reads are beginning to disappear.

Townreads are beginning to disappear for a good reason. BT was replaced by zdenek and just like I did with Serra/Jen I moved the slot to null-town until I could get a handle on the replacement. AA9 got moved to null/town because I realized I'd given her a pass because a few of my townreads had pointed her play matched her town-meta almost perfectly. It was around this point I realized how bad I was being w.r.t. her slot, so I moved her down to get a personal and hopefully more accurate read. Jen got put back in the townpile because I liked her posts about MO, TUA and KBW.

Bulba got swapped with MO because his latest posts felt pretty genuine and MO became a much more solid scumread. I put MO in the null-scum category after their #395 because, well, #395 sucked. Seriously, 1 townread and 2 scumreads after 20 pages of content? Lol? Their defense later was also pretty awful, particularly once it descended into immaturity with #541 and #550. Their play after narrowly avoiding death also came off as "we're not dead, thank god, let's try to lynch anyone else" (#657, #658). #658 was a pretty transparent attempt to gain towncred by voting then unvoting KBW.

I'm not even going to bother discussing why DGB is in the scumpile. They've been dropping scumtells like the little girl at a wedding with a bushel basket of rosepetals.

Page 41.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD serra Jennifer	Bulbazak BT zdenek	Ms Marangal AA9 Klick	Robocopter87 Otterhorse RBD RachMarie	TUA MO Reek DGB Antilles

Now this is pretty odd. Not sure why Syr even started with Bulb-scum, but I'm also not sure what propelled his change to Bulb being null-town. Scumreads don't appear to be fluid or reconsidered with the exception of Bulbazak, nothing's explained at all.

there's another post but it has more unexplained reads so not worth looking at

None of the scumreads have done a damn thing to make me consider my read on them with the exception of Bulba, so what's your point? Bulba's interactions with MO were ultimately what convinced me to rethink my read on him. I really liked his analyses in his posts in the 800s to 900s range.

Long fackin read.

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD Bulbazak	Otterhorse RBD Robocopter87 BBMolla	AA9 BT zdenek serra Jennifer Klick	Ms Marangal RachMarie	TUA MO Reek DGB Antilles

Alrighty. I frankly don't care whether we lynch goof or TUA; they're both on my lyst of lynchables. I'm voting for TUA though, since I've had a gut scumread on that slot since the first few pages.

VOTE: TUA

"Give me towncred pls"

Still no reads explanation. Somehow Bulb went from obv-scum to obv-town.

You got your reads explanation. Bulb went to obv-town because I reconsidered my scumread on the slot and I've liked his posts from roughly Page 30 on. There were some points I disagreed with here and there, but as I'm tired I don't feel like running through all that for the things I disagree with him on right now. If you really care ask me again later and I'll answer questions.

Cool. So, DGB or Antilles next?

One town, one scum buddy. Mm hmm.

What makes you so certain DBG is town?

I'm good with Antilles.
VOTE: Antilles

@MO: You're on my scumreads list along with DGF, Antilles and UA. Considering the two available lynches were both your scumbuddies (UA and DGF), you bussing one of them doesn't earn you towncred with me. Your "twilight post" (such as it was) was the first thing you've said in quite a while I didn't outright hate. It's not enough to put you out of my scum category, but it's a step in the right direction.

Why is xe so hesitant to actually push MO here? Xe talks about how certain xe is about the scumread...but never EVER follows through.

I'd look here on a Syr scumflip.

I'll assume "xe" means "he". Honestly, MO is the weakest of my scumreads at this point. Their twilight post went a good ways towards getting me to reevaluate the slot. Not enough to get me to swap them out with one of the null/scums at this time, but enough to make me doubt my read on the slot. I'd rather see a DGB/Antilles lynch.

I'd much rather see a lynch on DGB or Antilles than Jen. However, it would hardly break my heart if we lynched Jen instead; her play in the last 20 or so pages was enough to downgrade her from a decent townread to a null read.

RBD, BB: Why do the two of you think Jen is scum?

Bulba: Who are your current scumreads? BB can answer this too (not counting Jen).

???
I'd also look at Jen as a potential Syr partner.

I was going to continue but I'm legitimately bored of this. Let's just wagon the slot.

How many potential partners do I have at this point? Four? I've lost count. You do realize there's only three scum left, right? You're getting pretty lazy with your analysis, HD. Pretty out of character for you.

[Syryana]

I'm still pretty sure that Syryana is the best lynch today. Him calling the thread "crap," as a justification to not reread doesn't make too much sense coming from town considering the game state, and the fact that he read through the game without checking to see who had died makes no sense - knowing flips is useful scum hunting information. I think he was attempting to feign the not-knowing-which-scum-is-dead town-tell.

I'm pretty sure that MO is town for reasons that I'll get into if I have to, but for now, I'd like to keep to myself.

Clearly you didn't bother to read my post past the first paragraph. If you had, you might have realized I was talking about not dredging up posts through 60 pages of dense information to justify my scumreads on all 15 players as they evolved.

It sounds to me like you've decided I'm scum and are looking for anything that could be construed as a scumtell and displaying it as such. You take my comment on calling the 60 pages "crap" out of context, even though if you'd read through my post you'd realize I ended up going through most of that 60 pages again anyways.

You also state that I'm attempting to feign a town-tell by pretending not to know the scum is dead. What do you know of my playstyle? Are you some kind of expert on how replacements should read a thread that's 60 pages long with a half a day left to deadline? I personally believe that going into a game

not

knowing who the dead are and their alignment is more beneficial, because it allows me to reevaluate my reads if I'm way off. IME, it's more likely that if I'm wildly wrong about one person, I'm probably wildly wrong about other people too. If I'm right,

then

I can go back and look for associative tells. I didn't have the time to go back and do that then. I'll probably get to that later today, for TUA at least anyways. A brief ISO of KBW showed very little; his play was mostly OMGUS and I'm not seeing much in the way of association there.

Peditxlots: Whoa, posts. I'll get back to those later, not much time now.

[Syryana]

boop

Are you ever going to post any content, or are you just going to blatantly prod-dodge, post one liners and unexplained votes/reads?

Why are you voting me?
Why are you no longer voting Jen?
Who are your townreads?
Who are your scumreads?
Why? (applies to town and scum reads)

[Syryana]

looking for the real scum instead of badgering me.

I really don't get this.

I'm purdy sho I'm lookin' fo scum.

If your definition of looking for scum is nonchalantly declaring half the playerlist scum for completely arbitrary reasons, then yes, you're scumhunting.

Let's see, current people on my wagon are: DGB, Jennifer, BBmolla, Ms. Marangal, DCLXVI, Human Destroyer. After reading the latest posts, I realized I didn't have any clue why most of these people are voting me. So I went back and looked for the cases against me/reasons for voting, and here's what I found.

BBmolla: "you're scum"
DCLXVI: "I don't like how you interpreted my meta, and I don't like that you see my(DCL's) play differently than I (DCL) do."
Jennifer: Doesn't seem to have a reason to vote me, hasn't mentioned me in any of her posts other than some extraordinarily vague VCA. Might ISO her later, her last two posts are truly terrible.
Human Destroyer: Actually has some decent points on me, but most of them are based on the fact that I hadn't explained my initial reads. Hasn't been seen since.
DGB: "you're scum" Unlike Molla, DGB has a series of misreps, wild claims and some out and out lies.
Ms. Marangal: "Disregard that meltdown, I don't like the Syr slot"

I originally started this post to defend myself from the cases against me, but after ISOing the wagon's constituents I realized most of the people on the wagon don't have one.

Pedit: Zdenek, I'll be doing a comprehensive analysis of DGB's play later. I'll answer you there.

[Syryana]

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Titan HD Bulbazak	Otterhorse RBD Robocopter87 BBMolla	AA9 BT zdenek Klick	Ms Marangal RachMarie serra Jennifer	MO Reek DGB Antilles

[Syryana]

EBWOP: Move HD into the null/town category.

[Syryana]

How the hell

Are everyone's reads

So different

No idea, but I'm willing to bet DGB is going to come back soon and say something along the lines of "it's because everyone but me is scum".

[Syryana]

Solid vote but everyone is bitching about Bulba atm.

I don't care about them and their stupid Bulbazak lynch.

I agree with you about this, at least. You seem to be replacing into all my ongoings lately, Nacho.

VOTE: DGB

[Syryana]

Why me, Nacho?

[Syryana]

I'm voting you because you're in DGB's scumlist and there's nothing in the keyblade ISO that suggests you are town.

You're the first person to answer me with something that wasn't "because you're scum, duh". I appreciate that.

I got an scumread on DGB when I replaced in. I was planning to make a case as to why, but it being the end of April I don't have much time for a post that long. I'll go make it later, if you like.

[Syryana]

I'm about 95% sure that DGB isn't scum because she was a counterwagon to scum yesterday, and keyblade voted her immediately before he voted underachievers. Meaning that your case *probably* won't convince me unless it's fucking amazing, and you should save your time putting cases on more pragmatic lynches.

I'll make it anyways. If it doesn't pan out the way it does in my head, I'll scrap it and look into my other reads.

Why's MO town?

[Syryana]

Come on, no need to be shy! Put your vote where it was meant to be all along!

You're remarkably insistent on my lynch, considering all you have is that I'm on DGB's scumlist and the lack of associative tells from KBW. What gives?

[Syryana]

Fair enough. I'll get you that case tonight, after I finish my paper.

[Syryana]

You also haven't responded with anything to my response to your case on me either. Anyways, DGB case incoming.

[Syryana]

Alright, you all wanted my case on DGB. My scumread on the slot actually started with Reek, so here we go:

UNVOTE: arcangel9
VOTE: Bulbazak

Self-voting on page 1 makes the game about your ego rather than scumhunting. It's the most valuable page of the game and you turn it into a giant WIFOM contest; benefits only scum. This should be a policy lynch.

ChannelDelibird, ChannelDelibird, it rhymes with FlannelDelibird.

Policy lynches. Hate them with a passion and whoever advocates them gets a special place on my radar. Furthermore, policy lynching someone for the reasons Reek stated is silly whether you approve of them or not. Essentially, Reek says "Lynch Bulbazak, he's stimulating discussion!" He tries to dress it up as Bulbazak ruined RVS, but that's essentially what he says.

Reek does nothing else of interest, except defend his policy lynch. He then goes afk, gets replaced and DGB comes in with a bang:

Funny story.

I started to iso the players in the list order and started with Reek and went: "whoa scum!" But I'm replacing Reek and wow, he's town.

You guys should have lynched my player slot on page 3.

The Amished tell. Not a universal scumtell certainly (I've done it myself as town, just not directly after replacing in), but it certainly doesn't move my scumread on the slot. DGB follows this with an unexplained list of reads and bad reasoning on why MO is town. Following this, lots of pressure on TUA, lalala. Then we have:

Spoiler: DGB self-bus

Hey guys

Since you seem to be too wimpy to lynch anybody, just lynch me and put me out of my misery.

I'm a vanilla townie.

VOTE: DGB

Boo hoo hoo

I want to give Mastin-hydra a little more time

And you know Mastin-hydra will disappear and lurk again and you'll lose focus, spin on your own heels and lynch a townie.

Let that townie be me and let's do it quickly.

Aw come on

Get your act together and lynch me. All these insinuations that I'm scum... just vote me and lynch me.

I just can't believe anyone would confuse UA's flailing for town.

UA is back on a lurking rampage because UA is scum, and your hesitation to hammer is an opening for them to quietly go away so that we spin on our heels and lynch a townie.

I'm vanilla, so since you guys are hellbent on lynching a townie and letting the scum slip away, let that townie be me.

Look at how TUA active lurked, then showed up when about to be lynched, and when people started to back off, disappeared again.

We will lynch a townie instead.

DGB is more likely scum then before.

Where's your vote?

My vote is on your scum buddy

What do you care which scum gets lynched? Pick me.

DGB, why are you playing reckless?
you're a better player than this...

I just HATE it that much when a player lurks until their wagon is about to conclude to a lynch, they flail a bit and then people let go for no valid reason, followed by that player returning into useless lurk mode.

I hate it THAT much.

Next thing you know, townies start to spin on their heels until they lynch one of their own while the scum lurks to victory.

On the bright side if you lynch me, it's a guaranteed town lynch but it saves a power role from claiming and being NK'd.

Lolwot? Mad they won't lynch TUA, then votes self? No town motivation that I can see for this. DGB claims it's because of TUA's actions piss her off that much, but that's no reason to self vote. You hate the game that much, replace out. I think the self bus was somewhat more planned than that. Lots of people had a scumread on the Reek slot, DGB even made mention of all the "insinuations that [she] is scum", so she was clearly aware of it. I believe DGB self voted and self-bussed to achieve one of two possible outcomes: a solid townread on her slot or a solid townread on her buddy TUA. The town at that point was waffling on TUA(this was the supposed reason behind the self-bus) and had a general scumread on her slot(thanks to Reek) and she'd been bussing TUA steadily since shortly after she replaced in. If the self-voting steers the town into lynching DGB, she flips scum, TUA gets a free townpass for most of the rest of the game. People would be reassured TUA is town; no way did scum try so hard to the point of self-voting to get a buddy lynched. Alternatively (and what actually happened on D2), TUA gets run up, flips scum, and DGB gets a free townpass since she was "right all along, /gloat" and again, no way scum tried that hard to get a buddy lynched.

Her play on D2 continues the strategy from Day 1. She continuously complains about TUA not being lynched, blabla. Here's where it got interesting:

Spoiler: DGB causes Titan meltdown

But yesterday you jumped from KBW to TUA to yourself. So you potentially called two scum scum, but ended up staying off their wagon to call for your own lynch, which wasn't going to happen.

Right, I was very frustrated that the town wasn't helping me bus my buds are vigorously as I'd hoped.

Thanks for dropping the "I'm paranoid" scumtell.

Oh yeah, I'm also increasingly suspicious of HD.

I think we should consider lynching Titan at some point.

Pretending to be paranoid is my favorite schtick as scum, it allows me to cast a very wide net of baseless suspicion. I make shit cases and I go,

oooo ooo I'm so paranoi

d. That's what Titan is doing.

And the "I'm paranoid" scum tell? It's not just lame, it's quite frankly stupid.

Oh, so I'm spot on with it. That's what I thought.

I did find a reason. I'm sorry if my advanced scum tells aren't on your radar, noob

The wording is horribly weak and looks like flinging crap in the air to see what sticks rather than attempt to attack us or question us.

We're trying to lynch your buddy Marangal now, we'll lynch you after.

Personally I would lynch you first. You're feistier. Marangal is just going to keel over.

I keep waiting for you to do something to make me think you're town

That's probably not going to happen.

I know you have a quirky way of scumhunting

That's not going to happen, either. I realize it's just not worth it.

I'm going to piss in the wind, sheep, that sort of thing.

You won't even actually read my posts or see how the lynch went down yesterday to get an accurate read on me,

Yeah I can't say I'm super-interested in wasting time getting accurate reads on people.

Just gonna go with the flow, whatever happens, if you don't like it, you can lynch me anytime.

Goofball is gone.

Sadly I can't confess scum, because I'm town, but I'm not here to sabotage the game, just inject some much needed apathy and sheeping.

Look at that, Titan is 150% scum.

Please just mislynch me and shorten my path to mafia retirement.

Yeah yeah I've been playing for 8 years and haven't been mislynched in 3 years as a primo NK target, but hey, apparently all my scumtells are shit so you can all go to hell. Sure I don't give enough of a shit to make actual cases that the new clique of players just laughs at as they try to driv me off the site, but when you come to your senses lynch TUA and Titan and Jennifer is a super-derp townie that will lose us the game so feel free to mislynch her next time to want to "save" TUA.

I'm going to let the scum hammer me on this one.

Toodles

I'm so sick and tired of your trolling play this game.

I named your whole scum team how is it trolling?

Mine is an accurate representation of how you voted yesterday

It's not at all.

Actually, I think the only reason DGB's not voting for herself now is that TUA's wagon is actually gathering a bit of traction, and she doesn't want to lose that. Therefore, she has to call those who called her on her anti-town behavior stupid.

I may be disillusioned, but I still have a wincon and I'll still vote scum over town. I'm absolutely not trolling. I'm reading every word you are posting.

You're probably going to get me lynched

WUT

No one believes me that you're scum and I'm not making cases, why so nervous?

TUA & Titan are guaranteed scum.

Then either Antilles or Bulbazak.

Hmm...

Yeah, he played a solid game until he slipped up. What are you gonna do?

I nailed at least three of your buddies, didn't I.

She's got to start massaging those lynches for the win.

It doesn't count if they're scum lynches.

As soon as we lynch your buddy TUA, your scum team will implode like a house of cards - even if you manage to lynch me first.

Like, damn. She pulls a Titan scumread straight out of her ass ("paranoia scumtell"? someone enlighten me, never heard of it) and proceeds to goad Titan into a troll-induced free-fall through calling them scum and interpreting just about everything Titan (read Tammy) said as another scumtell. It took me a while to figure out what the hell the point of that was. What town motivation would DGB have for doing this? The initial scumread was flimsy and DGB's responses only served to fuel Titan's frenzy. Here's what I think happened. They've played together before (I think it was Titan that mentioned prior games with DGB) and I think DGB deliberately goaded Titan to destroy their town cred. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure most folks had a townread on Titan up to that point? I know I did. What's the biggest obstacle to a scum win in a nightless? Universal townreads. Therefore, DGB drew on her prior experience with Tammy to drive her to destroy herself through a combination of trolling and terrible logic. Tammy conveniently obliged.

In case some of you are wondering, my scumread on DGB started here:

I notice some errors in your table.

You have Titan mistakenly in the town column.

Reek is me, but I'm a good mislynch if you're up for that because I'm retiring and the faster the better, so you can leave that error as is.

I do believe you replaced in on the page where I stopped to make that table. While I'm reading the rest of the thread, why don't you tell me why Titan isn't town?

I can't be bothered to write an essay, because if I'm not lynched today it will postpone my agony, but he's just foaming at the mouth trying to lynch the player that is begging to be lynched so save his buddy TUA that some derpy-townies are foolishly defending.

If you have to kill me first to believe it, good, but you're probably going to lynch me and let TUA & Titan win the game.

There may be another scum but I'd have to look for it and nothing jumped at me.

I replace in and am barely up to page 11 in reading the thread, and here's DGB pushing her terrible read on Titan with some blatant AtE. Yeah, she's town all right.

Then, after the TUA flip, she decides to do the same thing to Bulbazak that she did to Titan, i.e. flip her read on him, call him scum repeatedly for arbitrary reasons, then tunnel him for the entire Day.

Spoiler: DGB vs. Bulbazak

TUA, Titan, Antilles.

The scum team.

Titan's thing about my votes yesterday is full of bullshit but I don't have the energy. I don't care if people that don't bother reading believe him or not. If people are derpy enough to believe this kind of gross misrep, I'll be glad to be lynched, I'm sick and tired of trying to knock sense into derpy towns.

I mean look at #1251 where Titan is jockeying for position pending an inevitable TUA scum flip. Look at that last paragraph and tell me he's not scum.

My wagon: Titan, DCLXVI, Underachivers, Jennifer, Bulbazak

Titan and TUA are scum, that leaves DC, Jenn and Bulbazak as head-desk townies. Their derp will lead the scum to victory but they can't be lynched for that.

Actually, I think the only reason DGB's not voting for herself now is that TUA's wagon is actually gathering a bit of traction, and she doesn't want to lose that. Therefore, she has to call those who called her on her anti-town behavior stupid.

I may be disillusioned, but I still have a wincon and I'll still vote scum over town. I'm absolutely not trolling. I'm reading every word you are posting.

Then why did you unvote TUA d1 and vote yourself instead? That seems to be going against your wincon.

I'm a frequent caller of the mafia suicide hotline.

Titan. Titan. What's this? I know DGB is trying to get under your skin and all, but do you really think AtE is the right way to deal with it?

You can't deal with that situation in the scum QT?

TUA & Titan are guaranteed scum.

Then either Antilles or Bulbazak.

what are your reasons for a scumread on me

You cannot possibly be town and make some of the posts you've made.

DGB, iirc, you were all on board for voting for yourself if I joined in. Therefore, saying that I'm "a head-desk townie" is a rather blatant misrep, especially since you were my second choice lynch-wise.

^^^ This is a board-certified, 5-star rated, notarized, professional scum post.

DGB, iirc, you were all on board for voting for yourself if I joined in. Therefore, saying that I'm "a head-desk townie" is a rather blatant misrep, especially since you were my second choice lynch-wise.

^^^ This is a board-certified, 5-star rated, notarized, professional scum post.

How so?

I'll give you some much-needed tips on how to improve your scum game

after

the game.

Even if you don't think she's scum, you should still have an opinion on her actions.

If she thinks I'm town, why are you solliciting her opinion of my "actions?"

oh wait

It's because you're scum.

Why the fuck are demanding HD be the one to do it?

Bulbazak knows HD is town.

OK

Guys

Antilles is town, the scum was trying to divert the votes away from TUA last minute to Antilles because my lynch wasn't happening.

Jennifer is town.

Don't rake your brains here. Sometimes, it's very obvious.

VOTE: Bulbazak

Titan tomorrow.

Then we have DGB misrepping her own play in her haste to mislynch Bulb:

DGB, iirc, you were all on board for voting for yourself if I joined in. Therefore, saying that I'm "a head-desk townie" is a rather blatant misrep, especially since you were my second choice lynch-wise.

^^^ This is a board-certified, 5-star rated, notarized, professional scum post.

That.

That is the moment where Bulbazak lost it.

I self-voted because I got impatient TUA wasn't getting lynched fast enough. What did Jennifer do? She wrote, "DGB don't self-vote." She is town.

IN CONTRAST:

I dared Bulbazak to vote me with a promise to vote myself if he did. At the moment that I was relentlessly pursuing the lynch of his buddy TUA, he pounces and takes me on that promise.

I guarantee you that no townie would ever do such a thing.

There's way more evidence if you read Bulbazak's iso, just of yesterday. Do you really need more?

She claims she lost her townread on Bulba thanks to that post, even though she started attacking him well before. She also claims Jennifer is town because Jennifer told her (DGB) not to self-vote. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't DGB been attacking people for those sorts of associative tells all game? I'm probably going to investigate Jennifer after this, as this isn't the first time DGB has town-read Jen for pretty vacuous reasoning.

More BulbvDGB, confbias on Bulb, confbias reads RBD as town (RBD is town because Bulba is scum), reads HD as town(pretty horrendous reasoning on that one, #1794), attacks on me, flips out over MO, forgives MO, more confbiased reads, blah blah blah.

VOTE: DGB

With that, my case on DGB is concluded. Nacho, I see where you're coming from with the KBW voting patterns thing, but I'm not disregarding this whole damn case because of some shitty scum's voting record.

[Syryana]

Is there a point to all this, or are you just playing with bad gifs?

[Syryana]

Maybe if you'd actually made the point you were trying to make instead of wasting time yelling and posting gifs, I wouldn't have had to ask you what the hell you're talking about.

[Syryana]

Also, why is DGB's Amished tell bothering you so much now? Did you not even bother to read the game when replacing in?

[Syryana]

Furthermore, how the blazes are you getting DGB doesn't have the site history to know of it? She's been playing here for 8 bloody years! Not to mention in her own ISO she admits to knowing what the Amished tell is.

[Syryana]

But I mean this is the kind of shitty questioning scum does, how the hell does anything you asked help you read me better

it doesn't it just makes you look like you're doing something

You got mad DGB committed the Amished tell. Since I can't read your mind, I asked you why that made you mad. If you want to construe that as scummy, you can very kindly fuck off.

I don't get why you care so much about being wrong, hence my prior questions. It's a friggin nightless. Just lynch it.

[Syryana]

Syryana, what do you think of BBMolla's 2343?

I'm kinda surprised at both Molla's and DGB's reactions to my case. Both of them (particularly Molla) are going apeshit over the Amished tell. I don't understand why, out of all that I posted, the Amished tell is what gets fixated on. I noted myself it's a null tell. Why are the two of them flipping out about it? It's a decidedly minor point.

Furthermore, Molla's reaction is pretty extreme. So one of his townreads committed the Amished tell, so what? Lynch her before end game, problem solved.

I think it's a pretty clear indication he's town. If he was partners with DGB he wouldn't have had that kind of overreaction.

[Syryana]

Too many gaaaaaaaaames

FoS RBD

Gonna have a gander at satan cat too, #2405 interests me

[Syryana]

Alright, who should I be sheeping and why is your suspect Scum?

Please link me to any posts relevant to your case because I'm probably not going to re-read 97 pages. Sorry to disappoint.

You should sheep me onto DGB, because #2334

[Syryana]

Spoiler: Pony and Syr

Syryana is more in the "if the game is still going" camp for lynches here.

Also sheeping town reads. Dont like how all my questionables are voting Syryana.

GIm gunna say Syryana is town, Bulb is more 50-50ish, im not going back there. Maybe would back MM lynch, probably not.

@BB - Im something like

Would Vote:
HD
MM

Wouldnt Stop Lynch but Dont Want Lyched:
DCL
Bulb
Klick

Kinda Town:
Syryana
Zd
MO

Have Reservations But are "Town":
Titan
DGB
MO
AA

Town:
Antilles
Molla
Jen

Im not touching Syryana, thats like "null scum" central for who is on it.

Back to the game though, Bulb is easily the lynch over Syryana here.

Oh eww... HD is probably most likely to be scum in the entire game (which is a reason im not too keen on Syr wagon, those two dont fit all that well).

Bulb and Syryana are both town enough to not lynch them. I would almost just kill Syryana because that makes me HD case a whole lot stronger here when he flips town.

How about you start listening to me if you are town? If you are scum please juts continue to not listen and try to rack up mislynches. Which Syryana (while not as likely town as Bulb post that one post of his) is still somewhat likely town.

He is town. I don't vote town reads.

Im actually still really curious about Syr. He isn't as strong of a townread as Bulb was, and me being wrong about it would make me have to change a few reads. Its like the TUA-DGB wagons yesterday, given that I didn't have enough of a read to do anything about it I would rather just let it develop on its own while pushing in my own direction. Its a curiosity, im almost at the point where I would be willing to lynch him just because it would solve a couple of nagging things for me if im wrong. If im right, I can strengthen cases that are targeting power players. Either way most of the DGB-scum case is D1 and D3 play, her treatment of Bulb is bad. Remember where I said "this is town, I can pick out a couple of tells easily - why is he scum" and then she just pushed the lynch through quickly? I go back and forth a lot, but she should NEVER make an endgame. Syryana-scum and she make it for a while, but a F3 is the worst spot to put her.

Scum don't like having their lynchbaits pulled away. Town just prove why they are still scum.

DCL is townish, but only because of RM. Usually I read RM as scum so the lack of scumread there makes me think slot is town.

Lets actually make things interesting though, because fun things are fun.

Vote Syryana

I just want to prove him town at this point to stop myself from going off a cliff if im wrong.

Out of the Nacho/HD/DGB group, Nacho is most likely scum regardless of the flip from Syryana (really - "well its not my scum meta either" is the response for me calling your meta?). HD is probably town to about a F3 if Syryana is scum and DGB is at least late-ish game town with that scum flip (and mid-game in all actuality with town flip).

I mean, Bulbazak just get lynched and you thought he was town? Why are you letting another townread go? Do you think town is going to listen to you after this one?

I don't think its possible for any other lynch to happen outside of maybe DGB who if Syryana is scum would be a bad lynch.

As I said, its somewhere between realizing the inevitable and realizing that if this read is wrong im probably going down the wrong road as is.

Also read more. Bulb was a strong town read. Syryana is a middling to town read.

VOTE: RBD

[Syryana]

Why is it taking so long to get a final vote on syry...

You haven't done shit since you jumped on my wagon "because you don't like how Syr(I) interprets my meta". What do you think of RBD? What do you think of the posts I've made since regarding DGB/RBD?

Also interested to see Zdenek's (or his replacement's) latest reads.

RBD's play has been all over the place today. Hell, I even had her at leaning town up until this latest weirdness. She calls me town, now she's voting me, she calls Nacho town, her reasoning on Nachoscum is bad ("(really - "well its not my scum meta either" is the response for me calling your meta?)" was all I could find). Lynching me just because "well, he's gonna get lynched anyways, whatever" is also bad. Then we have #2495, in which we have "kill Nacho, then kill Syr, then kill someone else". Uh, Nacho's now your top scumread? Didn't you have HD as your top scumread earlier? Why is one of your "middling townreads" in that kill order over HD?

I also need to go re-ISO MO. I liked #2487. Depending on what I find from them the may get replaced by Jennifer.

Back later.

[Syryana]

@Syryana - You should read my posts.

I don't eat salad.

1) HD is not the best lynch because if you are scum he moves to one of the strongest town reads. When you mesh this with the fact that from the TUA reads you are a decent scumpick just in a PoE situation, im not interested in his lynch.

So you have two great (according to you) scumreads but you'd rather vote me because of PoE on TUA reads? What makes you POE to me rather than one of the other TUA reads? There's three more, not including you.
How does my lynch affect HD's alignment? Because he wouldn't bus 3 buddies? Wait, now you're lynching me on WIFOM?

2) You need to be lynched. Period. It sheds so much light on the duo that is HD and DGB no matter what you are, at this point we are both more pieces of a puzzle that are going to need to be put into place to actually win the game. If you are town come to terms with it and start laying reads out, chain stuff, give conditionals, etc.

Oh, so I need to be lynched now even though I'm a townread? And my flip will somehow reveal information about DGB and HD? Because if I'm town at least one of them scum, but if I'm scum they're both town? How does this make any kind of sense?

3) Nacho is a really really good scumpick. He was Klick (scummy) he is not at all playing to his town meta (scummy) and there are quite a few things that make him look bad when you consider the way you and Bulb got chained together as he was one of the 'yeah just lets quicklynch them both' group which is part of where I got twitchy over things.

I disagree that Klick was scummy. He wasn't townie either, which means he needs to get roped at some point, but he wasn't scummy. Nacho "not playing to his town meta" is a pretty crap reason to lynch him. What are these things that look bad w.r.t. the Bulb/me chain?

What more do you want explained?

Who your scum mates are would be nice. Never hurts to get a bit of confirmation.

[Syryana]

That's laughable, are you really going to tell me that there is a possible scenario where you aren't going to push a Syryana lynch tomorrow? Regardless of my flip? Him flipping town means that there is a really good chance one of you and HD are scum. Him flipping scum not so much.

So, you admit my flip changes nothing, since you might be wrong about both slots in either case.

[Syryana]

Nah.
VOTE: Syryana

[Syryana]

Thanks for the sweet game, Voided!

Mad props to HD for surviving this long

I wonder how I woulda done if I'd started instead of replacing TAM/Lurker

[Syryana]

I'd like to point out that I had a really solid town read on myself until I started to notice the dead townies in my wake.

You were fucking fantastic, you made this fun

[Syryana]

Your case on me was awesome. It was BS but somehow when there's a huge wall of BS instead of a lump on the sidewalk, it starts to smell fresh instead of foul.

<3

I should have followed up on it

But I didn't

And I gave up

Won't happen again!