Mafia 61: No Theme - Game over!

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Vote: Wizardcat

Wizards are dangerous, and a wizardcat is just plain weard.

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Sorry that I haven't been active in this game late. I have been swamped. However, after looking over the topic, blahgo looks the sumiest to me, so

Vote: blahgo[/b[

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Damn it.

Vote: blahgo

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I haven't really been focused on this topic. Right now I'm going to bed. Sometime tomorrow I'll read over the whole game so far.

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I'm actually set on my blahgo post. I really don't like what he is trying to say. In my eyes he admitted to being scum and is now trying to create a bullshit reason why he said that. And since I was second to vote for him I don't think I count for his band wagoning.

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EBWOP

I;m actually set on my blahgo

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Well, you never know. Whether or not, you are right, his defense is crappy.

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Ugh, I have to reread through everything again. Tommorrow I will provide some more.

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Really did not get the whole case on RR. He brought up pretty valid points in his defense. Even though I don't think he should have asked to be replaced, I understand why he wanted to be. I do not think that kison is scum. I do think blahgo is scum. Thats all I have to say.

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Really did not get the whole case on RR. He brought up pretty valid points in his defense.

What are those?

Well you guys really had no case for voting for him, and he stated that plenty of times. I really rather not talk about this. Lets move on with the game.

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Fine, do whatever you want twito. I feel like you guys did not have a case on RR, and thats that. If you find that enough to put me into the "scum category, then by all means do so. You would, of course, be wrong though. Lets just please move on with the game.

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Eh, I have to read through what I missed. Right now though, I'm still set on the vote for blahgo.

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Sailor Jerry, the reason I haven't contributed much was because, simply, I'm not that "talkative" like others. The only time when I really post is when I really want to say something. I haven't found much to act on so far in this game and blahgo was the only one that jumped out for me.

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Also, Battle Mage, MoS was not the only one that stood up for RR. I know I did, and I'm pretty sure other people did so as well. Why is it that you are only singling out MoS?

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Well, you are right. I haven't provided much insight because, well, there wasn't really much going on in this game. That's how I feel.

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BM, its not an omgus vote. If you are fosing MoS for standing up for RR, then you have to fos everyone else who standed up for him as well(including me). You can't just single one person out.

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Jalyn, the reason I am set on my vote with blahgo is because, honestly, who else was we going to lynch? I never saw the case on RR, and noone else showed up, so blahgo was the only one who looked like he could be scum. And as far as I'm concern, I still do not see anyone else to lynch so my vote will stay on you.

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Jalyn, the reason I am set on my vote with blahgo is because, honestly, who else was we going to lynch? I never saw the case on RR, and noone else showed up, so blahgo was the only one who looked like he could be scum. And as far as I'm concern, I still do not see anyone else to lynch so my vote will stay on you.

So could you explain what you find so scummy, please?

Look back. We have already discussed why blahgo could be scum, and I'm too lazy to explain my reasoning. Until someone else looks like they might be scum, I'm leaving my vote on blahgo's replacement. If it get me lynch, then fine. Just know that you will be lynching a townie.

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Except that MoS, I saw noone else to lynch. I didn't see the case on RR, so I wasn't going to vote for him. I guessed I could have voted for you MoS. Yeah, cause that would have got me out of this whole predicament I am in. Whatever, I don't really care. I am not being idiotic and my argument is not bullshit. I never said there was no one else to talk about, but there was no one else that I found worthy of a lynch.

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Void, I am in right now this game, mafia 62, mafia 58, and open 12. mafia 57 which was my first game, and i forget the number but it was 101 mph mafia in the mini section.

For those who think that I am in a hurry for a lynch, I am not. For those who think I'm concentrating on one player, I am not. Yes, I am agitated. I get agitated easily when people are being stupid. Maybe you guys should start looking at the people who jumped onto my bandwagon.

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Sorry for double post.

Alright Jalyn, you want my reason for voting for you. Blahgo jumps on three bandwagons in the beginning of the game, and his last bandwagon that he jumps on is for RR, for the sole reason that he wants RR or twito lynched. He wanted the day to end. And then he makes up a bullshit defense for his actions saying that that is just how he acts in real life. And then he vanishes from the topic. He was lurking, he was jumping bandwagons, he was in a hurry for the day to end, and then he tries to defend himself in an extremely crappy way. To me, he was the most scummiest. Is that enough for you people?

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That may be true Fircoal, but he was lurking in the beginning. You can not deny that.

Also, the s in my name is not supposed to be capitalized. I know that its just a little error, but honestly, I really hate to see that s capitalized.

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I was going to reread today, but so much crap came up. Hopefully I will have time to reread tomorrow.

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Has a deadline been set yet? Because I feel that one is in need to speed the game up a little.

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Modkills, are you kidding me. That helps the town out to no extent. The chance that we lose more scum than town is extremely low. So for that

Fos: Lalmtreasteek

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Now BM, You are defending both lalm and ac, and you are also in favor of modkills. You sure, are going to receive my vote.

Vote: BM

Even though twito disagrees with me, I am still in favor of a deadline. We need to speed this game up a little bit.

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I have sent you the role patrick.

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I'm ready for this day to end.

Unvote, Vote: Lalmtreasteek

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Um, maybe you would like to point out your last valid contribution before you accuse me of not having one.

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Except that both you and lalm are scum so that is where you are wrong.

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It seems that the only ones who are active and are not voting for lalm is bm and lalm himself. At this rate, I have doubts that this day will ever finish.

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You know lalm, I have not seen an argument from either you or BM of why I am scum. Here is a suggestion scum, at least make an argument against someone. Don't just say that he/she is scum. Also, maybe you should try defending yourself instead of trying to get people to vote for me.

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Lalm unvoted himself Jayln.

To BM and Lalm. You both have said that you bought up valid points as to why I am scum. I would like you to point them out to me, because frankly I can't find them. The only thing I found from you guys were post sayins "scotmany is blatantly scum, lets lynch him." "scotmany is by far the most scummiest player in this game." You guys mind putting some valid points into your suspicions, or are you just going to keep on saying that I am scum. By far, I have not played that well in this game. However, do you ever wonder why only you two find me as one of the most scummiest players in the game? Others are most likely suspicious of me, but I doubt anyone is convinced that I am scum. You two are the only ones. That is because you two brought up no valid argument, you both simply said that I was scum.

Also, Lalm, I have a question for you. It may have already been answered, but I would like you to answer it again. If you are actually telling the truth, which is extremely rare, and you are a criminologists, did you know before rand claimed that he was also a criminologist?

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Once again lalm, you bought up no valid points against me. And no, that was an honest question. Not to mention that it doesn't change my opinion on you because any relatively intelligent scum would have answered the same way. You know, maybe you should try bringing up some valid points against me, twito, and skruffs intstead of just saying that we are scum. It just makes you look even scummier.

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Except that you haven't made a good case against me BM. The only thing you have done is called me scum. You keep saying that you made a case against me, but you never did that. Maybe if you are so convinced that I am scum then you should actually start creating a case against me.

Fircoal, I originally signed up for this game as well.

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Hey guys, I am back from my little trip. Sorry that I wasn't able to inform you that I was away, site was down when I left. I'll do a reread soon.

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I really dislike lynching people because of one scummy vote. Sure, SJ's defense of lalm was quite scummy, but maybe he honestly just thought that lalm was protown, and before lalm suggested modkills, I think most of us had very little suspicions on him as well. I do not think one scummy post makes a person scum. Many scummy posts do.

Also, BM. You have just suggested that Kison is scum. The problem is that you don't really give a reason. All you do is tell people to look back at his posts, much like BM#1 did with me. I am actually a little fed up with your way of throwing suspicion at people. Don't tell people to go look back at posts. Find posts that look scummy, quote them, and then provide some reasoning for your suspicions.

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BM, what I am getting out of that post, is that you think Kison is scum simply because he thought BM the 1st was definitely scum. I know I thought he was going to be scum, and judging by the way you were acting, every pro-town playing should have though so too. This is not a valid argument, because you acting very, very scummy yesterday. If that is your only reason for thinking that kison is scum, well I'm not going to buy that. If you have any other reasons, please say so in a well though out post. Don't just tell people to look at kison's posts. The least you can do is provide us with the posts you think we should look at.

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im not putting down everyone. im trying to overcome constant adversity in order to help the town win this game. Unfortunately, i get the same problem in every game.

More often than not, i am right, but very rarely do the town actually believe me,

and so we end up losing stupidly.

Quite possible, can it be your play style which causes the town to not believe you? Quite frankly, BM1 kept saying that I was scum, and he even said he put out a case on me. The only problem with that is that I could not find your so called case on me. An now you are repeating the exact same situation with Kison. Now you have posted one or 2 posts about him, but there was not nearly enough. And then you tell everyone to read his posts, just like you did with me. This is why the town does not believe you. You do not make an effort. You are so laid back and lazy that you don't bother to outline your reason for finding someone scummy.

This is why the town does not believe you most of the time. You simply do not put enough effort into these games. All you do is say who you think is scummy, and then tell people to read their posts.

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I'm not seeing your case on Kison. I don't think modkills was a weak reason to vote for lalm, not to mention lalm acted extremely scummy afterwards. I think everyone was sure that lalm was scum, except for BM1. Basically everyone, including myself, was ready to lynch you the next day if the vig did not take care of you. Yeah, you are probably right about scum being on his wagon, but that does not just incriminate kison. there was 10(I believe) other people on that wagon.

Thanks for the long post though. I would like to see your suspicions on the other 4 players. It doesn't have to be as long as the last post. A few sentences for each should be fine.

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I never said I found it ridiculous. I'm just saying I think your arguments are falwed and that I don't view him as scum. That's all.

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Apologies, though you were talking to me.

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Damn it, that should have been thought. Stupid typos.

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I believe skruffs claim. Skruffs has been very protown in this game, though I don't really understand why he would claim. Has brought some discussion though. As of now, though, I honestly don't really know who to vote for, I think a reread is in order, which I will do tomorrow.

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BM, I'm beginning to think that you don't know what a tracker does. Of course he knows who targeted BM1, because that is the person that he tracked. Tracking does not mean you track someone and you know if they were targeted, tracking means you track someone and find out who they targeted that night. That is what a tracker does. So to answer your question, he does know you targeted BM1.

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I was never really pushing for a Rand lynch or claim. Don't think I found one. And BM keeps on saying that I am scummy but time and time again he does not provided any well thought out arguments as to why I am scummy.

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Exactly how have you been helpful jah? Yeah, you have posted from time to time, but none of them have any helpful information or thoughts in them. They all say "I am here" or "nothing really is going on" or crap like that. True, I don't post that much either, but at least when I do I try to make it helpful. You have been lurking in plain sight. If you don't know what that is, then you make posts from time to time, but they have very little relevance, if any, at all. And that is horribly scummy.

Now you suggested lynching lurkers. I have said in other games that I dislike that greatly. They are fine for a deadline lynch, but not for a regular one. This does not include people who lynch in plain sight, something you have been doing. Someone who goes out of their way to not be helpful at all is horribly scummy in my mind. With that being said, you also replaced SJ, who defended lalm with one line, and then disappeared when lalm was being bussed and accused and everything. That is also scummy(Note if he disappeared without defending lalm, I would not find him scummy).

Basically jah, I didn't you that scummy until you made that last post and realized what you were doing. You are intentionally not trying to help the town. With that being said, I now find you the most scummiest player.

Vote: jah8127

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AP is correct. Sorry for the typo.

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Also, looking back, I looked over DGB's analysis, if you can call it that. He explains who he finds the most scummiest, but I see very little reason in it. I just see random quotes with very little explanation. I would like him to explain a little bit more.

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Welcome to the game Braze. Deadline is set for June 6th.

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Yeah LFBProd, Jah does not seem to be doing anything, so a replacement will be welcomed. Sure, Jah is a good play today, but I would like for him to defend himself before we lynch him, and since he isn't doing that, a replacement is welcome. I'm starting to wonder if BM was right about you being scum.

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I only saw two people vote for LFB. Yeah I thought his post was suspicious, but not enough to incriminate him. I hardly consider 2 votes a wagon though.

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MoS and DGB, you guys crazy. Very hilarious what you guys have been doing.

Back to the game. About BM, I think he has been acting the same way he has been acting the first time he was in the game. And he turned out town. I haven't seen any difference in his play style, and yet he has been acting scummy, I am reluctant to vote for him, simply due to the fact that the first time he died, he turned up town, and he is acting in a very similar matter to that first BM.

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Honestly MoS, I'm not quite sure right now. A side of me wants to lynch jah, and the other wants to lynch BM as well. Then there is that little part that makes me think that they both can be town. Right now, I truly do not know who is the scum. If I had to choose one play though, I think I would choose Jah. It seems to be the safest one.

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Its the safest MoS, because I can truly see him as scum. I believe that there is a high probability that he is scum. And even if he turns out town, we honestly won't be losing that much. That is why I think he is the safest lynch atm.

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A little bit of gut in there. It goes back to SJ's post. At the time of that post, I just kind of shrugged it off. And was still shrugging it off when Jah was lurking. But at times, he has posted. He has been following the game, and has still failed to contribute at all. Even when accusations are brought up against him, he fails to defend himself. That leads me to believe that it is either newbie play or scum play.

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The quote where SJ FoSed anyone who though Lalm was scum. You can call it a gut feeling that I think Jah is scum. Hes been around for about a month, I think thats a decent enough time to at least learn a little bit about the game. I, unfortunately, have not played with jah at all and haven't seen any games with Jah in it. If anyone knows of a game like this I would like to know about it.

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I'm going to place my money that he abstained. I don't see a one shot in this game, though it is plausible. I'll have more tomorrow.

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I honestly think LFB thought correctly. Except the one shot thing, I don't believe that. I don't think the vig had much to go on yesterday. There was a lot of discussion, but I didn't see one person that jumped out to be scum. I'm going to say the vig is a smart player for killing BM, so I'm going to say the vig did not kill last night.

I do acknowledge that it is fully possible that the vig could have been blocked. I also acknowledge that the scum could have been blocked. I ma going to say its unlikely, just by the odds, by I'm not ruling either out.

Just putting this out there. If the scum was blocked, then we might be able to get a easy lynch. I'm not telling the roleblocker to claim. I think later on though, maybe in a day or two, the vig should reveal himself. If he confesses to killing AP, then if we have a rb, then he knows at least one scum.

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Ok BM, you have no idea the vig would kill anyone on the jah wagon. You think it might have been a smart play to kill someone, but maybe the vig didn't think so. You can't just assume the vig had good reasons to kill someone. Not everyone shares the same mindset as you BM.

The vig killing you was a good play. You were acting as scummy as hell day 1. The vig didn't kill you because of who you are, but because of how you were playing. If he didn't kill you, then you would most likely have been lynched day 2. The vig killed who he thought was the most scummiest, who we all thought was the most scummiest.

How are you so sure that Alex was killed last night? Did you forget that we have a mafia hiding as well?

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Twito, this is really not needed. If you have no intention of even trying to play the game, and instead just post useless posts like the one you just did, then you need to allow yourself to be replaced, because what you are doing is not helping at all.

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however, your reasons for lynching me are absurd. so far we have:

"it might help him to play better"
"he was scummy yesterday" - when i was one of the few people to resist the easy lynch on a townie.

"deliberately misleading" - not only would NOBODY be able to say this other than scum, its also probably BS then.

Am I mistaken, or did you use that same argument on me. I'm pretty sure you did.

in fact on this deliberately misleading post alone, im going to change my priorities around a bit.

Vote: Scotmany

So are you saying that you are scum then? Before you make a defense against an argument against you, maybe you should make sure you didn't use that same argument against someone else.

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I do acknowledge that it is fully possible that the vig could have been blocked. I also acknowledge that the scum could have been blocked. I ma going to say its unlikely, just by the odds, by I'm not ruling either out.

I never said it had to be a scum kill. I believed it to be a scum kill, but as you can see, i did not rule anything out. I never said that there was no chance that the vig killed last night. I said it was unlikely, but no where did I say it had to be a scum kill.

So yeah, anymore BS you would like to throw out there BM?

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Why is it so hard to believe that there is two criminologists theo? Yeah, its not that great of a role, but like skruffs says, it has its benefits. I don't understand why you are so reluctant to think that there are more than one criminologists in this game.

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Apologies. I'll get right on rereading.

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Half way through the last page, and I just want to say one thing right now before I finish my reread. BM, there is a perfectly good reason why MoS has not answered you question yet. In fact, this reason is also why he has not posted in this game for a while. Think about it BM, its not that hard to realize. He is hosting MoS-fair at this very moment, so don't expect a post from him.

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BM, if you want to save yourself, claim. You refusing to claim makes you all that more scummier. I don't know who you consider the vig stupid if he vigs you. Take a look at what you are suggesting. You want the cop to claim. What MoS did was a gambit. He did not partially claim. You however, believe he did. I realized it was a joke, I think everyone else did except for you and Acfan. Also BM, you aren't that great of a scum hunter than you think you are. Out of the six people you listed, I guarantee you BM that the most scum out of this group will be one, and I highly doubt that. Stop thinking that you are amazing and try being helpful. And stop saying that you are helping the town, because frankly, you aren't.

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Once again BM, another joke. Skruffs did not come out and say theo was the vig. He simply put it there for added effect.

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I do not think theo is going to dye during this night. It was a clear joke, and just cause you are not smart enough to realize that does not make it true. It was a joke, just like MoS's "investigation." Both jokes.

Also, don't swear on your friendship. If you think you should not be vigged, maybe you should try defending yourself instead of pleading for the vig to not night kill you.

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If the kill comes up to be a vig kill, why does that rule out kison as the vig. I'm very curious as to why you think so BM.

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And that makes him scum? That makes no sense BM. If the he didn't want to reveal himself as the vig, of course he is going to say he didn't target anyone.

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Not Vig

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I will be leaving tomorrow for vacation. I will be gone until Saturday. The dates are July 2-July 7. I ask not to be replaced, as I will have access. Don't expect a lot from me during this week though.

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Turns out I have to pay for internet access on this cruise. This will be my last post until bext saturday. I ask that i not be replaced though.

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I'm back. I'll reread either tonight or tomorrow. Most likely tomorrow cause I'm exhausted.

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Hey all, give me a little bit to reread though what I missed and I will get back to you all.

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I am a survivor. I win if I survive to the endgame.

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I don't know if I am allowed to do this or not, but I can tell you if jayln is telling the truth from my first role. Let me know if I should.

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Ok, thanks for clearing that up Patrick

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While we wait, I am figuring the everyone should reveal their night actions.

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Yeah, I'm not worrying, but the people who claimed townie are away I believe, so we should move on until they get back.

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Lowell said that the only difference is that he got a word that starts with w in his role pm. And win does start with w. Theo also claimed townie, so the townperson thing is a little bit irrelevant.

Before people rush to lynch lowell, which I am not exactly happy with at this point, I say all of the people who have night choices reveal their night choices.

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Though now that I think of it, it is funny that he has never seen a townie pm without win or when in it.

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Sorry guys, I had a lost of interest this past week. I plan on rereading tomorrow and start to comment on things.

One thing I do want to do is ask MoS something. I have been asking after the massclaim if whether the ones with night choices should reveal them. CTD has since done so, but MoS has since avoided this topic completely. Why MoS, when you have night choices to reveal, do you not comment on your night choices at all?

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FBI agent investigates people he think to be the SK. A guilty result means that that person is the sk, I believe.

And no MoS, as you can see, I have been saying from the top of this page for people to reveal their night actions, as it will benefit the town. You then ignore my posts on this, thinking that I am worrying. I was not, You then proceed to voice suspicions about other people, all why ignoring what I have said. You were clearly avoiding the topic MoS.

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BM, my play earlier in the game my play was of a townie. I have since been vigged, and then replaced back in cause patrick asked me so nicely. Are you saying that because you thought I was scum the first time around, that I am scum now? Or did you jsut totally forget that I was vigged under your discretion, which you were wrong at, and that I still have the same role?

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Good game guys. I'm going to put this down as a town win, and forget the sk loss. I didn't even want to replace that much, but patrick asked nicely and he seemed like he really needed one.