NY 166: Knight-Errant 18p - Game Over!

[zMuffinMan]

Vote: notscience

haven't read anything yet, but i can't think of any situation where this could be a bad vote. reading later today.

[zMuffinMan]

my understanding is that he's not technically confirmed scum if town has a roleblocker... and there's always the possibility that, you know, beast was lying. but sure, whatever. i'm happy to have him lynched if it means i get to lurk through the day without reading.

i will try everything in my power to prevent you and maquis getting the hammer, though.

[zMuffinMan]

As for Muffin, please read asap.

only serial killers want people to read.

[zMuffinMan]

i will probably stop being lazy and read the thread this afternoon.

[zMuffinMan]

Okay muffin heres all you need to know

I'm town

KX is the SK

2 questions. who's the last scum and was oriole obvtown before he flaked?

[zMuffinMan]

has kx claimed?

[zMuffinMan]

i'm curious as to what you plan to do today, because from the posts i've read so far in this day phase, you don't plan to push your scum reads because nobody agrees with you, so like, what are you going to do?

[zMuffinMan]

that doesn't even make sense since we could lynch someone any time in the next 5.5 days and get the same amount of extra time (even though 3 weeks is far too long anyway).

chill a bit. wait for replacements to catch up.

[zMuffinMan]

@Mod, more chess puzzles, please. this game is boring to read through.

[zMuffinMan]

15 pages in now

MS
SV

notscience town
yraelz(abdel) town
evil regals town
meeps town?

{marquis, eddiefenix, dopog, KX}

[zMuffinMan]

eddiefenix is prob town too

[zMuffinMan]

stopping at p31. dopog is prob final mafia. if not dopog, then marquis. fine with a kx lynch today from what i've read so far. might continue reading tomorrow if i can be bothered

[zMuffinMan]

And on the subject of NotSci, why do you think he's town?

my reads (on everyone, not just ns) are primarily based on interactions with flipped scum and the general tone of the posts i've read.

where i'm up to, the interactions ns has had with

all

flipped scum indicates that, at the very least, he's not mafia. on top of that, i think his actual posts read town. this is the same for abdel-slot and evil regals. meeps i'm thinking is town just based on the content of his posts because there's not much in the way of interactions that are noteworthy, and eddie_fenix i'm thinking is not-mafia purely for interactions that happened around p21/p22/p23/p24 (i forget where exactly, didn't take notes, but it was somewhere around there when he was interacting mostly with beastcharizard).

your posts so far i've been fairly null on. i haven't really seen much in the way of posts that made me think one way or the other about your alignment and nothing you've said at the point i'm at has been memorable.

marquis' posts i have some issues with, and the interactions with flipped scum make some sense as scum-scum interactions.

and dopog's posts basically avoid talking about flipped scum altogether, and the other flipped scum basically avoid talking about him as well. at least where i'm up to in reading. this wouldn't be odd except for the fact that dopog has made several large catchup posts that simply neglected to mention flipped scum players, instead attacking players that have either flipped town already or are likely town imo.

i might finish reading tonight and see if any of my opinions on this change.

in the mean time, you can explain why you think ns is scum.

[zMuffinMan]

feeling lethargic, so will probably finish reading this tomorrow morning

[zMuffinMan]

I have strong reason to believe that Beastcharizard was partnered with one of the people who flaked between D2 and N3.

go on...

[zMuffinMan]

Kind of doubful considering his compromised state, with at least one person capable of roleblocking knowing he was lying (the SK).

what is this referring to, exactly?

Beastcharizard made the kill decision by himself, meaning he had no one to talk to on N2.

where did this inference come from?

[zMuffinMan]

SV mason.

[zMuffinMan]

if KX is SK, i'm thinking dopog is final scum. notscience and evil regals are pretty strong town reads. abdel, meeps and eddiefenix are not as strong but also strongish town reads of mine. i was considering the possibility of marquis being scum, but after d2 interactions with HD and marquis's reaction to beastcharizard's commuter claim, i'm thinking marquis is likely town.

so dopog by poe kinda. dopog hasn't really done anything that's looked town and has almost no interactions with flipped scum (outside of the occasional mentions here and there).

[zMuffinMan]

dopog had two options: hammer or not hammer. not hammer = someone else might have, making him look worse. hammer = possibility for milking town cred. i think the complete lack of interactions between dopog and flipped scum prior to his votes on them is telling.

[zMuffinMan]

i don't think join date has anything to do with the strength of a player.

@matias,

do you actually plan on reading the game? or isos, or anything?

[zMuffinMan]

where are you at now?

[zMuffinMan]

also, do you plan to give intermediate updates on your thoughts as you read? coz that would be cool, to have a now and a then to compare.

[zMuffinMan]

i had bad feelings about marquis when i read through d1 (mostly due to the way he was consistently calling beastcharizard scum but it never felt like he wanted a lynch on beastcharizard to go through). but if you read the d2 posts and how he interacts with flipped scum (posts between #896 and #1249) i have trouble seeing him making sense as scum with hd and beastcharizard.

notscience has even more interactions with flipped scum that make even less sense, plus i'm reading most of his posts as town. annoyingly anti-town at times, but still town.

[zMuffinMan]

no i mean like half an hour earlier he committed to hammering. but yeah sure, i suppose you could make a case that he could have just pretended to have no been around at the deadline. i'd still consider it null at best.

[zMuffinMan]

so tempted to take the hammer. want to see... ns whining.

[zMuffinMan]

did you kill hopkirk?

[zMuffinMan]

mafia is going to have to kill me instead of sv at this rate

. . . . .

[zMuffinMan]

did you read #1488 as well?

yeah. it was cute.

though if you

are

telling the truth and you

did

investigate marquis (which i don't currently believe with all the stuff you've said today), you're actually being a dick. beastcharizard had a reason to out you (protecting his last scummate). even if it was a dick move from your perspective, it was playing to his wincon.

[zMuffinMan]

A few closing notes though, first, the one problem with Marquis as scum is if you notice, they treat Beast and HD in very different fashions, openly appearing to call the less conspicuous HD scum while taking a less aggressive stance against the more obvious scum beast, which wouldn't make very much sense as scum.

(this looks like well-reasoned analysis that isn't something you say about someone you know is scum)

(marquis isn't cleared like he's suggesting he is, but i don't believe you know he's scum)

[zMuffinMan]

it doesn't really matter.

if you are telling the truth and we do have a cop, remaining scum is basically fucked anyway.

[zMuffinMan]

Actually, I want the hammer this time.

UNVOTE:

Spoiler:

VOTE: MATIAS

[zMuffinMan]

game-winning hammer so obviously all the credit for this win should go to me.

i don't do autographs. sorry.