NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[yessiree]

let's see where this one takes us

VOTE: Guyett

[yessiree]

can hydras sign their posts pl0x

[yessiree]

VOTE: Wake88

[yessiree]

I have gut scum on Wake88, based on his approach into this game, particularly the SK speculation, avoiding meaningful discussion.

[yessiree]

because someone asked me for the reasons and I can no longer test for reactions from any body

[yessiree]

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

[yessiree]

because someone asked me for the reasons and I can no longer test for reactions from any body

Why not?

because their answers are tainted

[yessiree]

we're digressing here, since I don't see going durther into this discussion has relevance anymore

[yessiree]

Holy fuck you're on to me, I'm shooting you tonight!

SKs don't shoot, they stab btw

[yessiree]

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

does that matter? I want TIP dead regardless

dead.

[yessiree]

because to lynch is to love

and I love TIP very much

[yessiree]

yessiree, I believe you owe me an answer to my question.

-L. J.

well, do you think the discussion of whether or not to lynch or leash the "SK claim" is meaningful?

if yes, how?

if not, then there's your answer

[yessiree]

because to lynch is to love

and I love TIP very much

What about TIP do you "love"

oh i dunno, he does self-proclaim to be silky smooth tho, so there's that

[yessiree]

do you see any meaningful discussion from him, because I sure don't

[yessiree]

there is?!

O_O|

[yessiree]

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

does that matter? I want TIP dead regardless

dead.

Hanging town is not how town wins at this game. Go back to "Mafia for dummies" or GTFO scum.

VOTE: yessiree

hmmmm how did I miss this gem back there

presuming that someone(TIP in this case) is town lies within the scum mentality

VOTE: likeabauss

[yessiree]

@MVP, assuming someone is town by default is a scumtell

[yessiree]

TIP not having the most postcount is also a scumtell

[yessiree]

busy irl will find time for this

[yessiree]

Anyways, uh, hang on.

@Maraca: Can I have a link of yessiree's games?

Oooh, oooh, I have a guess as to one of your heads. Hang on.

Town:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=30562 (died night one)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30411 (lived to endgame)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28783 (slot lynched in MYLO)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29457 (killed night four)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=28846 (also killed night four)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29212 (lynched day one)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29687 (slot killed night two)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30255 (lynched day two)

Scum:

None completed

One just finished this morning
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=31061 (replaced out and the slot was eventually taken over by me)
I've been sitting on this for a number of days but obviously could not discuss it

that game is not going on my record because it was basically all you

[yessiree]

you should, what if someone asks for your reads on your pred as an independent player

[yessiree]

so how's it looking over here

who's scum

p-edit: yea i know, i'm just sayin in case

[yessiree]

TIP still not having the most postcount

VOTE: TIP

that's enough activity for me today you guys can have your chitchat and whatnot

[yessiree]

I think Guyett reading me off one game doesn't work that well. Just so you guys know, Lucid Dreamers is my only scum game so far and my scumbuddy basically carried me through the whole thing.

I don't think I have an established play style yet, but just because I haven't posted a lot doesn't necessarily mean a scum read. IRL man.

true but

the need to bring that up makes you look defensive

[yessiree]

unvote and vote need to be on separate lines

wata noob

[yessiree]

for some reason I really hate the term "agree to disagree"

like are you actually fucking agreeing or disagreeing on something?

[yessiree]

what I don't have enough conviction you say?

VOTE: TheIrishPope

is this enough conviction for you?

not enough?

VOTE: TheIrishPope

better?

[yessiree]

that's enough activity for me today you guys can have your chitchat and whatnot

Hi, what are your reads.

idk wtf you talking about sir

what are reads never heard of them

p-edit: yeaaah tippy is on the board

[yessiree]

Guyett could you shut the fuck up for a moment because you're being a hypocrite

This is the towniest thing I have ever seen, ever.

that's null stop handing out towncred like toilet paper

[yessiree]

can hydras sign their posts pl0x

This always pings me. Are you really planning on meta'ing hydra heads? And if you cant tell which head is posting anyways, your analysis specific to each head will probably suck.

dude fuck you too

I have my reasons, maybe

[yessiree]

yo guyett you need the man the fuck up

if you're still self-voting by the time I come back I'm gonna lynch your ass

[yessiree]

did guyett unvote himself? good

now fuck them up bro I got ur back

[yessiree]

VOTE: sangres

[yessiree]

VOTE: the fap brors

[yessiree]

VOTE: Angry Frat BROs
sorry

[yessiree]

because I read 678 and 795 in order

[yessiree]

hey TIP why do you think guyett is bad

[yessiree]

I'm not that's why I'm asking you

why

[yessiree]

dude I'm waiting

dont keep me waiting pls imma cry

[yessiree]

5 minutes your time is up

sorry but your vote on guyett is not legit

[yessiree]

VOTE: orc

[yessiree]

@bauss is there a particular reason you want wake88/fratbros dead before rank/orc

[yessiree]

and you're scum

[yessiree]

talk to me orcinus_theoriginal

[yessiree]

oh shit I was just about to give up waiting

[yessiree]

the wake slot is scum

i dunno why you're scum though, ask my brain maybe

[yessiree]

the wake slot is scum

i dunno why you're scum though, ask my brain maybe

i don't think i'd have a lot of luck with that

why wake

I recently finished a game with wake

he was town; he was in the process of moving and was working like 10 hour shifts, but despite the fact that he was busy as hell, he did not ask to be replaced out of that game. he squeezed time to contribute and his posts were logical in general.

in this game, he had been acting the polar opposite in this game, illogical, diffident, minimal contribution. he has partners, he's unsure on the approach to contribute, he's scum

[yessiree]

Wake replaced out of a lot of games so I wouldn't use that as an admission of guilt on that slot

the mere act of replacing out is not indicative of his alignment, certain traits have to be observed along with this occurrence

and in this case, these traits have been observed as explained above

[yessiree]

I like angry frat bros' response, sounds like bob in an angry town mob

[yessiree]

tbqh I dont have any original scumread, which means the scums in this game are hard to read as fuck

VOTE: MC Maraca

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[yessiree]

Frat Bros get mad when called dicks

but it's okay for them to call others retards and assholes

#logic

[yessiree]

SNIP

First, what a blatant misrep, that's not the purpose of my post. I'm not trying to push your lynch, I'm not even voting you. I already expressed my thought on you in 1097

Second, don't assume I'm the same as your kind that I can differentiate between what insults to homophobic people cut deep and what insults do not.

Third, the purpose of my post is to point out how obvious of a hypocrite you're being. Do you not admit that you've been using words that clearly trigger red flags to insult people, that you think you have the right to be pissy mad when the favour is returned to you?

In addition, I had initially tagged your rage with town, but now you're making me second guessing myself. I'm beginning to suspect that your rage fake.

I'm good at spotting nuances and reading the mood of posts to determine if they are genuine. Be cautious.

[yessiree]

Second, don't assume I'm the same as your kind that I can differentiate between what insults to homophobic people cut deep and what insults do not.

Hurling homophobic insults at the gay guys.

Keep it classy.

You can't be this dense. I refuse to believe it.

I'm trying to calm down because Bauss's shitty ass arguments and the VIs sheeping it are giving me a fucking aneurysm. I stepped back from the game because I was getting to agitated, and then you came right back in to keep goading me.

Can you get why I'm frustrated and getting ready to jump through the internet to verbally eviscerate people?

I don't get upset at all by whatever insults is hurled at me so I might be dense here. But I knew that obviously you got upset. But that doesn't matter because that doesn't change the fact that you were being a hypocrite.

If you've decided you're gonna toss around words like how Fat Joe makes it rain, then you've made the decision. And that decision takes away your right to complain about other people's insults hurled at you.

[yessiree]

If you've decided you're gonna toss around words like how Fat Joe makes it rain, then you've made the decision. And that decision takes away your right to complain about other people's insults hurled at you.

The point is that I'm upset about the BS logic going around and people's inability to engage in a way that makes things arguable.

Guyett's insult was one that I took as being against my sexual orientation.

See the difference.

so what? you're gonna justify your usage of the word "retard" now?

as far as I'm concerned insults directed at sexual orientation and insults targeting a specific group of handicapped belong in the same trash can

[yessiree]

Bauss, you're not gonna get my support on the AFB lynch; I'm not seeing how he can be scum anymore, I was wrong

It's hard to see clearly through all this noise, but there are clearly scummier targets out there

JS has a much higher chance of flipping scum based purely on the amount of shitposts that litter this game

I had initially refused to believe that it can be this easy to catch scum

but not anymore, there is no need to second guess myself, JS is scum I'm sure

VOTE: JacobSavage

[yessiree]

you know what? your opinion doesn't matter

if i were a vig i'd vig ur ass so we dont have the breathe the same air

[yessiree]

Frat Bros get mad when called dicks

but it's okay for them to call others retards and assholes

#logic

This has nothing at all to do with the game and only serves to piss people off.

The name's Rustle, Jimmy Rustle.

Do you bite your thumb at me sir?

[yessiree]

AFB, why do you respond to sangres differently than how you respond to bauss and RC

sangres agrees with bauss, but you dont throw a tantrum at him, instead you take a clearly more passive stance

why is that?

[yessiree]

yes we talking about bauss's rank read

[yessiree]

There is no reason for the orc wagon to diffuse right now.

He's just trying to lurk it out while using "calming his head" as an excuse until the attention is diverted elsewhere.

I still would like a JS lynch but orc lynch has my support if needed.

[yessiree]

not busy enough

[yessiree]

@cephir, have you even worn the same trousers, walking home at midnight while shitfaced with someone else?

no you haven't

[yessiree]

bauss's got something, I can feel it

I also love how flipping mad orc is, I enjoy every single bit of it

[yessiree]

making scums feel miserable is my specialty

...
We have

5

lurkers and nothing is being done about them

Let me go through this playerlist.

1. MC Maraca (hydra of Mara and certainly not Cabd): we are ok with an orci lynch holy fucking why
3. Sakura Hana: can somebody TELL ME why I'm wrong on this read it's driving me nuts
4. sangres (hydra of Nacho and ffery): what the fuck nacho is high on i do not know

5. JacobSavage: lurking shitsack

7. caledfwitch: lurking shitsack

9. likeabauss: It's a rock that talks.

12. Hermy: lurking shitsack

13. PeregrineV: lurking shitsack

14. RadiantCowbells: lurking shitsack

15. Toomai:lurking shitsack

16. yessiree*: shitsack
17. TheIrishPope: useless with a smug sense of condescending ignorance

the fact that you can't count bothers me

[yessiree]

it means you and Doctor Jekyll are not shitsacks in his eyes, probably

[yessiree]

I do not see any scum-motivation behind the push on AFB and orc by bauss

Bauss does not gain much by investing in this act

the WORST case scenario assuming that bauss is wrong is the cost of 2 mislynches. However, in this worst scenario, there will be enough information gathered through the duration of the lynches to deduce who is scum

RC's lynch will get us nowhere, as I don't see anything valuable will result from it. RC is more suitable to get vig'ed instead.

[yessiree]

why is RC a better lynch; it's not

[yessiree]

VOTE: orcinus_theoriginal

L-2

[yessiree]

I do not see any scum-motivation behind the push on AFB and orc by bauss

Bauss does not gain much by investing in this act

the WORST case scenario assuming that bauss is wrong is the cost of 2 mislynches. However, in this worst scenario, there will be enough information gathered through the duration of the lynches to deduce who is scum

Look at all those townreads he's getting for this bullshit. There's your motivation.

It's not bullshit. And even if it is, I'm buying it for now in this game of bullshit.

[yessiree]

orc's response is not genuine, orc's emotion is not genuine, orc's claim is not genuine

lynch him today

[yessiree]

You've got to be kidding me. Orcinus is scum. Lynch him please. EVERYBODY WHO RESPONDS TO THIS BULLSHIT CLAIM INDICATES TO SCUM THEY ARE OR ARE NOT A/THE COP.

See example: Toomai, TIP, Sakura are likely NOT COPS (if town, which mafia knows, but we don't. You're tipping the balance of the info battle further into scum favor.)

This assertion relies on the argument that all townies are idiots. Yes, they unvoted the claimed cop, but they could easily have done so because he's probably not getting lynched today, with the understanding they would be able to CC eventually.

That said, we don't actually have any assurance there is a cop in the setup, it could easily be all tracker-watcher-etc. So this could very well be irrelevant.

then what do you think of me?

[yessiree]

It's not uncommon for scum to claim town PR when they are ran up. You cannot be certain orc's claim is genuine.

This claim also injects the element of WIFOM into our judgement, as I don't see the authenticity of it.

If you want to convince people otherwise, you'd have to show that his play is in line with being a town cop.

[yessiree]

wtf is this shit?

VOTE: caledfwitch

[yessiree]

If Orc flips scum, I'm thinking TIP partner. His "claim now bro" looks like coaching a

scumbuddy

*not* to get derphammered, and then blowing Guyett's reaction-test looks like trying to make sure Orc doesn't have a shit reaction.

Orc's last few pages have been meh; I was expecting a lot more after he got back from V/LA.

Intent to hammer here.

...
Yessiree and Bauss coming out immediately to try to strongarm town into pushing the

mislynch

is scummy, ftr. Bauss's insistence on posting high-level conjecture about Rank's play, while not addressing Orc's play with substance, is scummy.

...

TIP's vote jump is awkward as fuck, and looks scummy, but it wouldn't work with yessiree/bauss's push for the lynch.

Sakura Hana looking super-town these past few pages.

A blunt transition from Intention to hammer a

scumread

to defending a perceived

mislynch

my townread on you is diminishing

[yessiree]

It's not uncommon for scum to claim town PR when they are ran up. You cannot be certain orc's claim is genuine.

This claim also injects the element of WIFOM into our judgement, as I don't see the authenticity of it.

If you want to convince people otherwise, you'd have to show that his play is in line with being a town cop.

k

You haven't shown how my play was in line with being scum all fucking game. I mean, you people don't even bother. My wagon started maybe 4 days ago. I asked for a case yesterday. I have gotten jackshit. Nothing. Not even quotes. There is nothing on me.

Like, how I even got driven up to L-1 baffles me incredibly.

And no fucking shit you can't be certain my claim is genuine, you can't be certain of anything in this game. What we do is we try to make lynches that maximize utility to town. The reason why PRs aren't kept at L-1 (hi TIP) is because town stands to lose more than if it were a VT claim and scum often tries to take the opportunity to hammer them (hi TIP)

Good lord this

cannot

be news to you

It's simple, really. I trust Bauss's ability to read his brother correctly. That's the entire case on you, and that's enough for a lynch. Guilty until proven innocent.

[yessiree]

If Orc flips scum, I'm thinking TIP partner. His "claim now bro" looks like coaching a

scumbuddy

*not* to get derphammered, and then blowing Guyett's reaction-test looks like trying to make sure Orc doesn't have a shit reaction.

Orc's last few pages have been meh; I was expecting a lot more after he got back from V/LA.

Intent to hammer here.

...
Yessiree and Bauss coming out immediately to try to strongarm town into pushing the

mislynch

is scummy, ftr. Bauss's insistence on posting high-level conjecture about Rank's play, while not addressing Orc's play with substance, is scummy.

...

TIP's vote jump is awkward as fuck, and looks scummy, but it wouldn't work with yessiree/bauss's push for the lynch.

Sakura Hana looking super-town these past few pages.

A blunt transition from Intention to hammer a

scumread

to defending a perceived

mislynch

my townread on you is diminishing

I never called Orc a scumread, did I? I kept my read on Orc ambiguous intentionally to prevent a derphammer.

Also, I don't lynch un-CC'd PRs.

ambiguity does not come from town

[yessiree]

I feel like this is an attempt at leading to a circular argument, and no meaningful outcome will result from it.

Regarding this specific case alone, being ambiguous about your read on Orc is more detrimental than beneficial to town.

I gotta head to for lunch, cya

[yessiree]

i dont want to try in this game anymore

[yessiree]

town is pretty softcore and indecisive; lacks centralized voice, lacks a leading force

[yessiree]

Why do you not like the Caled wagon?

Whats the basis for it?

roly poly

[yessiree]

"caled may well be scum and I love how her wagon is comprised of scummy people, in the meanwhile, we have scummier people to lynch!"

-Hermy

[yessiree]

did you not just play a game with nacho/mara hydra where we were ambiguous with our claim when we were ran up?

there is a difference between being ambiguous about your own claim and being ambiguous about your choice on potential lynch target

[yessiree]

what question did cabd not answer?

I've been trying to work with you all game bud, and I explained why I think AFB are town

and, you are trying to lynch an Un-cc'd PR like, the hell?

who is this addressed to?

[yessiree]

Also, I love how the majority of the Caled wagon is comprised of scummy people...
The Caled wagon:
(someone makes perfectly decent case; VOTE)
(I agree; VOTE)
(I agree too; VOTE)
(I also agree, join the wagon; VOTE)

Not liking this at all.

My real problem here is that JacobSavage is the only player I sincerely want to lynch. So I'm hopping on wagons on my null reads to prevent the lynches of my townreads and/or the claimed cop.

why quote only 1954? no comment for 1952 or 1953? the three posts act as one entity

town is pretty softcore and indecisive; lacks centralized voice, lacks a leading force

We have a centralized voice, it just sucks.

I'm not aware of the existence of this. what is it?

Why do you not like the Caled wagon?

Because the guy that started it and a few people on it are scumreads for me.

Ok so which few of these (Sak, Yessiree and myself) are scumreads?

Like for real bauss, not everyone who disagrees with you can be scum.

are you implying you see bauss as town, because that's the underlying assumption I see

[yessiree]

Do you still not realize that the case has always existed, Orc?

when someone says he can read his brother, I trust that, because I don't see any reason not to.

and when Bauss says Rank would not replace out as town on d1, I take it for granted.

[yessiree]

How do I prove myself innocent against a case that does not exist

well, as I see it, by your flip. if you were to flip town you can tell bauss to "STFU you can't read ur bro for shit"

[yessiree]

doesn't look like your lynch is happening today though, so I'm willing to work with you

Sak gets labelled as town after the exchange with TIP because it's first time I felt I can understand something coming out of her

the lurkers are making this way harder than it should

[yessiree]

@TIP, Toomai, sangres, your opinions on caledfwitch?

[yessiree]

Misunderstood town

@TIP, Toomai, sangres, your opinions on caledfwitch?

Not exactly impressed. For sitting out 1,000+ posts his catchup was rather meager, and the wording of 1530 was poor; I'm not sure how orcinus is exactly an "easy wagon" now that his claim came out. That said I think lynching him today is suboptimal for reasons previously stated.

you are not voting anyone atm

[yessiree]

there are only 3 days left to deadline, yet the majority of us have not agreed on a lynch

with the activity levels this low, it's time to compromise

stating who you think is the best lynch today, and the lynch you are ok with, would be great

{orc, JS, caled}

[yessiree]

I'm done with this game.

someone call me when town is ready to start working together, because it obviously isn't going to happen today no matter how hard I try and make that happen

try harder

also, why are you passing off the possibility that scums are muddying the waters, but going straight to pure internal conflicts

[yessiree]

Or BP?

Let's go over this again.

YOU LITERALLY JUST TOLD PEOPLE TO CLAIM A SCUMCLAIM AS TOWN COP.

HOLY SHIT.

CAN WE LYNCH THIS ALREADY.

you got any other scumreads besides bauss and me?

[yessiree]

And even if I didn't think Orcinus was scum, I'd still think it highly suspicious that on D1 he claimed cop after his previous play for the dayphase. I don't think it jives at all. If he was actually town, why not lie and claim vanilla? Or BP? Breadcrumb and try to get some investigates off? An outted cop on D1 is getting RB'd or dead... and fast.

and why was i outted, bauss

because you drove a shitty content-less wagon on the cop

so i couldn't fakeclaim becuase i needed the wagon to leave

this is a new level of bad

and you too

maybe realize neither bauss nor sak are getting lynched today, stop leeching off the rank read, and we can work out something

[yessiree]

goddammit Sakura Hana

[yessiree]

VOTE: orc

[yessiree]

Aha AHAha hahahA

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[yessiree]

yessiree jumped off too...

what the actual fuck was that chain of naked votes

This is what happens when the game is full of sheeple and lurkers.

I call it the opposite of lacking balls and fuck you

[yessiree]

Almost 1/3 of the players have fewer posts than the mod.

Even more than that have failed to do anything other than sheep and say high-level statements without trying to substantiate them.

did you include yourself because you are the biggest clown in this game so far

And there's the hydra slip.

you have balls to lynch and uncounterclaimed cop

good on you

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAH

build wagon build

[yessiree]

correction

Almost 1/3 of the players have fewer posts than the mod.

Even more than that have failed to do anything other than sheep and say high-level statements without trying to substantiate them.

And there's the hydra slip.

did you include yourself because you are the biggest clown in this game so far

you have balls to lynch and uncounterclaimed cop

good on you

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAH

build wagon build

[yessiree]

maybe it's time you realized you've been banging your head against a wall

p-edit: and the wall is tougher than your head

[yessiree]

MVP, you should read the thread before you make any posts, otherwise you will piss a lot of people off, seriously

[yessiree]

you're voting caled

you're not that stubborn

[yessiree]

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that Orcinus is practically begging for a CC. He, amongst others, keeps referring to the fact that we can't hang him without a CC. Guess why? Does that strike anybody as a town mindset?

You can't hang me because I'm a cop

Fucking hell

wrong town

[yessiree]

you're voting caled

you're not that stubborn

Only because this town refuses to put votes on bauss.

My vote'll be right back on him tomorrow.

you haven't fully grasped the idea of being stubborn then

[yessiree]

RC, if you had CC'ed as cop, orcscum would be dead by now

I'm kind of disappointed that you hadn't

[yessiree]

why do you gotta take hours to shower

[yessiree]

@MC Maraca,

you cannot quantify the validity of the "cop's " report because the potential to mix in WIFOM is just too high. Not only this, there is no effective way at our disposal to determine whether or not the reports from Orc are genuine. The only ways to verify this is either 1) from our own perception of the investigated individual, however, the conclusion will be highly likely to be influenced by WIFOM at that point, or 2) through additional efforts from other investigative PRs, which will greatly reduce the effectiveness of these PRs.

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I do not agree with the act of allowing my scumread who claimed PR to live. I'm not content in betraying what I really want to do. I want to lynch him. I understand the orthodox approach is to allow Orc to live, because it is the most intuitive choice to make by town as a whole. But not in this case, something urges me to make the decision against the orthodox intuition and push the lynch through.

I don't believe in psychology, I believe in good moves. I believe lynching Orc is a good move, even though it does not seem like it. I believe this is an opening; and the only opening to the opportunity to catch more scums. I'm highly convinced that Orc is scum, he must die today. I fear if he is allowed to live today, we will never have the chance to lynch him again. And I'm prepared to take sacrifices. Assuming Orc is somehow telling the truth, I don't believe losing this cop will deter the rate at which town lynches scum. The mere flip will give us enough information to analyze in the coming days.

[yessiree]

there is more to analyze from orc's flip than caled's flip, failure to realize this is laughable

[yessiree]

yes yes, screaming louder will make people believe you

[yessiree]

yet scum teams still win games

[yessiree]

yet scum teams still win games

For a multitude of reasons, none of which that include "scum lived past day 1 after being wagonned to shit".

there is no direct correlation, yes. But, the momentum swings against town and in favour of scum, in this particular game.

[yessiree]

you're at L-2 btw

[yessiree]

that's a deal if you hammer

[yessiree]

A majority of people thought Einstein and Galileo were crack heads too, at the time.

[yessiree]

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

He clears 3 greens, one of which is god father. Town proceeds to fuck over itself.

[yessiree]

not always, case specific

[yessiree]

Cabd, it doesn't have to be a genuine godfather. For example, he can clear 2 towns and 1 goon.

[yessiree]

Cephrir, your line of reasoning assumes Orc dies some time in the future.


YEAH WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE PREDICTING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE?

[yessiree]

Cephrir, I'm just going to point out that your recent posts reek of horseshit.

Also, I was expecting to see come content from PeregrineV's catch up posts but lol why the fuck did I get my hopes up.

Have a nice day i'm off to shitty labs.

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Cephrir, I'm just going to point out that your recent posts reek of horseshit.

Also, I was expecting to see come content from PeregrineV's catch up posts but lol why the fuck did I get my hopes up.

Have a nice day i'm off to shitty labs.

What were you looking for?

let me instead tell you three types of scumbag drivers that invoke my roadrage

1) drives in-between two lanes like nobody's business
2) plays zigzag on highways
3) driving while on phone

[yessiree]

I believe we are competent enough to make the decision without info from flip and night action

[yessiree]

I believe we are competent enough to make the decision without info from flip and night action

I believe we are so massively incompetent that neither the flip nor night actions will resolve our general stupidity, but we should still lynch over nolynch on principle.

l2sarcasm

[yessiree]

and deal with it

[yessiree]

heading off to labs now, so last post from me on day 1

expect Orc dead when I come back

[yessiree]

VOTE: orcinus_theoriginal

[yessiree]

Cephrir, I say to you

"I told you so"

[yessiree]

hey orc who did you invest last night?

[yessiree]

Bro. SK doesn't have guns

[yessiree]

VOTE: Toomai

[yessiree]

Toomai, you know you're better than this

[yessiree]

wait, wait, wait

hold on here

are you saying you DID NOT realize orc was at L-2 prior to your vote?

[yessiree]

why did no one notice this contradiction by hermy?

Sorry, I just skimmed through the thread. I've learnt my lesson about actually reading the thread before posting.

This post claims she was not aware of how many votes were on orc before voting him.

VOTE: Orcinus

L-1

This shows she was aware orc was at L-2 before putting him at L-1.

[yessiree]

Cephir and sangres are obviously not engineering or mathematics grads for appreciating a graph that's missing axis labels and titles

[yessiree]

UNVOTE:

[yessiree]

bad answer

VOTE: Hermy

[yessiree]

@Hermy, okay, let's say you read every post prior to your L-1 vote, what would you have done in that situation?

[yessiree]

UNVOTE:

regarding Hermy, the responses she provided so far seem honest. When she said she didn't read the entire thread before voting, she probably meant she didn't see 2016. This, and coupled with the thought that a scum could self-hammer which did not go through her mind were the reasons why. It boils down to whether or not you let her play the newb card. Based on her recent posts, I'm willing to let this one slide.

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regarding Hermy, the responses she provided so far seem honest. When she said she didn't read the entire thread before voting, she probably meant she didn't see 2016. This, and coupled with the thought that a scum could self-hammer which did not go through her mind were the reasons why. It boils down to whether or not you let her play the newb card. Based on her recent posts, I'm willing to let this one slide.

Would have to have not read 2111 either, where 2106 was quoted. Makes it a bit less likely. Not quite ready to give a pass yet but it is reasonableish to only see the votecount.

when you're skim reading, you are selectively reading, so it is easy to miss out on the details

plus I won't be surprised if she just saw the votecount and voted

[yessiree]

I don't think Hermy was lying about anything, just being Hermy the Derpy

as anti-town as it was, unfortunately I still townread that slot.

also note that JacobSavage has been lurking it out the entire time, and if you force Hermy to be the spotlight today, it will give him all the more comfort to lurk some more.

[yessiree]

Herp Derp Hermy flipped town

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32511

[yessiree]

If Maraca is a follower, there is no way it ("it" for hydra) could be certain of orc's assignment if orc didn't perform the night kill

speaking of which it still intrigues me why orc performed the mafia kill; it's basically asking to be lynching the next day

so would like the discussion of MC's claim to halt, since it's all WIFOM

just accept that it is a town PR and carry on

[yessiree]

alignment*

[yessiree]

Holy shit I even claimed i'd be following him night one during day one. Like five fucking times.

There is one inconsistency with your claim on day 1, when you said

Attention people voting orcinus:

If shit is faked ill know tomorrow.

Thank you.

because

If Maraca is a follower, there is no way it ("it" for hydra) could be certain of orc's alignment if orc didn't perform the night kill

[yessiree]

It is def WIFOM, I know

but you can't deny your claim effectively stopped Orc's lynch from happening on day 1, when there is no guarantee you can get a scum/town result on Orc as a follower

[yessiree]

I'm just sad that a caught scum extended his life expectancy by 1 night 1 day

p-edit: read cephrir's a)

[yessiree]

AFB, maybe you should look at yourself in a mirror

a no action from Orc would not have been a gauranteed guilty and I don't even have to explain why

[yessiree]

also you don't fucking lynch the stupid without valid reasons, you lynch the fucking scum

you already mislynched fucking a stupid when we could have lynched a scum, so shut up your face

[yessiree]

Guyett [L-6] - PeregrineV

have you read the thread yet?

[yessiree]

Orc perfromed the kill because he was going to die.

WHAT THE HOLY MOTHER FUCKING FUCK

SUCH INSIGHTFUL DEDUCTION

[yessiree]

Also, TIP you're fucking useless right now so Hermy is right about you in that regard

[yessiree]

I'm not gonna vote anyone until I sort this shit out + finals month

One thing I'm gonna leave here is to keep in mind that with a large normal 17p, there is the possibility of

5+ anti-town (mafia + 3rd party)

players. With only 1 dead, leaves potentially 4+ alive. Therefore, careful who you choose when you consider forming town blocks and starting to execute PoL

[yessiree]

Toomai, Hermy is not the optimal lynch today. It's easy to jump on her wagon using the anti-town L-1 vote on orc. This is the problem; both towns and scums can use this reason to push for her lynch and it is very difficult to differentiate one group from the other.

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Also, I rule you drool.

Wtf why does me running this hydra solo have that many posts relative to everyone else.

wtf is this shit.

one third of it is wailing and hissing at bauss

one third of it is flinging dirt on orc's voters

the remaining one third is being a scrub and other misc.

[yessiree]

I got banned for being so certain that Hermy was scum because of shit like that, when she was actually town.

I will not make that mistake again.

thoughts on Guyett?

[yessiree]

dude the fuck

type faster I give you 5 more min

[yessiree]

who the hell makes a post on mafiascum then proceed to take a shit

oh well that's unfortunate

[yessiree]

Toomai, Hermy is not the optimal lynch today. It's easy to jump on her wagon using the anti-town L-1 vote on orc. This is the problem; both towns and scums can use this reason to push for her lynch and it is very difficult to differentiate one group from the other.

Implicit in this statement is the assumption that Hermy's town.

what's your point?

got something to say? say it to my face

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Guyett, would you say you are more of an aggressive player or a passive one?

[yessiree]

^I will take your answer as part of my consideration to whether vote you or not, so no pressure buddy

[yessiree]

RC is fighting alone, the scum team has multiple members. That sums up the exchange.

VOTE: AFB

[yessiree]

WARNING: The scumteam is hardcore defending each other in this game in the hopes that, as a united entity that is able to exert a greater amount of influence over the scattered individual, they can take control of the flow of the game.

Here are some of the notes I took on MC Maraca late-D1 early D-2
MC Maraca

#1310, #1402 can support orc lynch

#1661, not supporing orci lynch anymore, sudden jump without reasons

#1601, then never responds to #1604

#1602, last statement lacks conviction

#1762, "logic" wall built on WIFOM that you expect people with strong conviction to agree to?

#1900, #1901 hard defending scum partner, not town approach

#1904, logic fails since leashing cop =/= leashing SK

#1909, throws mud, but not outing names, appears to look town

#1931, leads the Sak counter wagon with horseshit basis of Sak's comments #1923, #1929

#1981, more logic based on WIFOM

#1989, #1990 only post with a softclaim invest

[yessiree]

TIP

[yessiree]

auto respond to AFB

NO

[yessiree]

Here we go again, manipulating evidence to discredit your attackers

[yessiree]

he's just making stuff up that leads to whirlwind of WIFOM

[yessiree]

Guyett, would you say you are more of an aggressive player or a passive one?

passive mostly. tbh it depends on my mood a lot (and if I've been drinking) but mostly I'm a passive player. You saw first hand in the ETL royal council.

^I will take your answer as part of my consideration to whether vote you or not, so no pressure buddy

don't care if you vote. you are my biggest town read at the minute and you voting me won't change that

Any response to this

The problem I had with you was one behavior that you exhibited. You would bring up a point, talk about for 3-4 posts max, then retreat and try to retain a neutral stance. You did this numerous times. But you have the same instinct I have, the feeling of MC + AFB scum, with the addition of the past few pages of the exchange with MC makes me believe you're town.

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Here we go again, manipulating evidence to discredit your attackers

Using evidence to make cogent argument=manipulating evidence.

Got it.

I'm pointing out RC is fighting alone in the verbal argument with you and MC Maraca

you point out the votes on your wagon, you didn't provide evidence which contradicts my original statement

that's manipulating irrelevant evidence

got it scum?

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RC didn't fake shit, and it won't change no matter how many times you say "RC faked the guilty on you"

clearly you're grasping straws at this point; you are not even making cohesive arguments, you're bringing in as much WIFOM as possible to muddy the waters

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I'm pointing out RC is fighting alone in the verbal argument with you and MC Maraca

You're ignoring Guyett and Hermy's existence...

RC was the one who dropped the bomb, MC was the one who came rushing to defend your slot. Guyett and Hermy noticed some inconsistencies in MC Maraca's statements.

[yessiree]

This is me confirming that I used a protective shot on MC last night. That's why I was getting defensive about the "why are they alive" point.

I'm not substantiating beyond that because ~reasons~

[yessiree]

if you're not doc then someone needs to know the difference between "protective and preventative"

[yessiree]

I have an exam tomorrow at 4:00pm EST, so I'm heading off

[yessiree]

WTF I lost my post, remaking it now

[yessiree]

Total number of players - 17
Likely anti-town numbers - >= 4

Players alive as of now - 12
Scum casualty - 1 goon
Remaining scum numbers - >= 3

Faction Ratio (Scum/Town)
Best case scenario - 3/9
Worst case - 4/8


Claims:

Angry Frat BROs - claimed doctor
MC Maraca - claimed follower
Cephrir - claimed x-shot vigilante
RadiantCowbells - claimed cop
sangres - claimed 1-shot vigilante
TheIrishPope - claimed gunsmith

Guyett - no claim
Hermy - no claim
JacobSavage - no claim
PeregrineV - no claim
Toomai - no claim
yessiree - no claim

Power-role actions

Cop
Angry Frat BROs -> guilty
Hermy -> Innocent

Gunsmith
Angry Frat BROs -> No gun
sangres -> has gun

Follower
orcinus_theoriginal -> killing action
Angry Frat BROs -> protective action

x-shot vigilante (Cephrir)
caledofwitch -> killed

1-shot vigilante (sangres)
caledofwitch -> killed

protective role
MC Maraca -> "protect"

[yessiree]

oh I see

[yessiree]

yeah, Cephrir would be my back-up scumread

[yessiree]

yeah I know, I'm just saying I would lynch Cephrir if we somehow end up in a LyLo situation and all my other scumreads are dead

[yessiree]

maybe I was unclear on this. I know the game is over and you're town. But I'm saying that

{IF}

this game was still going on I would lynch you in case the ceiling falls down

[yessiree]

yeah I know, I'm just saying I would lynch Cephrir if we somehow end up in a LyLo situation and all my other scumreads are dead

No, you won't.

are you COP?

[yessiree]

To be fair my fakeclaim won the game handily.

to be fair bauss caught 3 scum by day 1

[yessiree]

would it be a trust tell? I thought trust tell is exerting your real life influence over other ACTIVE players that you are playing with.

[yessiree]

Regarding the Rank-trust-tell controversy, I think this particular instance of the use of alignment-indicative "tell" by Bauss to mark someone as scum should be labelled as a meta-tell and not as a trust-tell. I see very little to no difference between this Rank tell and the "transparent" TIP tell.

"TIP's town behavior is A and B and not C. TIP has been behaving like A and B and not C. Therefore, TIP must be town"
"Rank's town behavior is not D. Behavior D has been observed from Rank. Therefore, Rank must not be town"

As Natirasha pointed out, if you really must place the blame on someone, the root cause is initiated by the very act of Rank replacing out. However, this is a special case since this act of replacing out means the player is no longer in the game, but the slot remains to be filled by another. Since the argument is attached to the predecessor, the successor cannot wiggle his way out of this no matter what.