NY175: Sycamore Scuffle

[Salamence20]

/confirm

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VOTE: Not Mafia

This is a WIFOM bomb.

Nice to see you again farside and scarab.

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Interesting. NM's paranoia here raises him a bit into the Townie list.

VOTE: wake

RVS over. Serious vote.

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Checking reactions.

Interesting. NM's paranoia here raises him a bit into the Townie list.

VOTE: wake

RVS over. Serious vote.

Nope. Ive seen town called scum for what NM did. The fact you called him town based on his reaction tells me you know he will flip town. Also you havent unvoted.

Hes caught. Lets go

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When Salamence calls your reaction test bad, you know it's bad.

I agree with this

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Soren is a troll alt, right?

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What are you doing in a big game like this little boy?

But i digress. Vote Wake and you will be on your way

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You forgot a wake vote

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Whos the other person?

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Boonskies wagon sounds like a dull Counterwagon. Obviously he hasnt read yet.

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Theres 2.

Multiple.

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Its early. He will come

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random.org=13
VOTE: vote Farside

I swear you just do this to piss people off.

Also RVS is over.

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Wtf?

Who the fuck cares about this hammer/claim bullshit?

Fuck lets get some reads before we decide on if hammering is town/scum.

Skot is VI

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UNVOTE: wake

Til I do reads tonight

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Oh boy, quote wall time (Starting at my post #58)

FoS: Wake88

Glad to see people use FOS still, but this is pretty weak. A vote would have been better.

Ah fuck it. I wouldn't hammer yet until we get some more info, but here's my vote.

Unvote
Vote: Wake88

And see, this is why I don't like Adrien, especially when Wake flips scum. This is what we like to call bussing, for all those that are new to this game. Also we are NOWHERE near hammer, so why bring it up?

Alright, if you guys run me up give me time to talk.

OK, let's get down to brass tacks. I voted NM because I wanted to pressure him for him maybe-slip. Because that's what ii is, a potential slip.

If you were town, you would say that NM was being overly defensive over a "slip", followed by more pushing. Since you called him town, I am pretty sure you are scum for this.

Salamence et al should explain themselves a bit more, too. I vote NM for what looks like a gaffe, and then FoS another guy doing the same thing, to gauge reactions. You can call that bad all you want, but you'd be incorrect. It's not hypocritical in the slightest if you're trying to Scumhunt.

Also, Salamence's 64 needs to be remembered. That he's seen other people called Scum for the maybe-slip NM did is immaterial, I'm not sure NM's Scum at this point, but I want to see more of his reactions regarding it.

And why is he town? Paranoia? Yeah, ok.

Reinoe's vote is crappy, too. This is Day 1, folks. Day 1 is nothing but paranoia and speculation.

Step back and breathe a bit, mob.

Now add more reasoning for why you're voting the way you're all voting, and be very specific. I want more details

just in case

Town shoots itself in the foot.

Wait until LYLO, and compare the paranoia and speculation from D1 to the Paranoia and speculation in LYLO.

Also, I don't like the way you joking discredit your wagon, especially since this is a serious wagon. Oh yeah, the bolded? Just in case? Shouldn't it be "when town shoots itself in the foot" if you are town being wagoned? FUCKING GET ROPED.

VOTE: WAKE

Well, yeah, I'm still reaction testing.

I'm gonna milk this cow for all it's worth.

"I've been pinned, better do whatever I can to look town"

VOTE: Wake88 for obvious reasons.



Scum, if you want a quicklynch, run up reinoe.

Many pages later, and still don't know wtf this is.

I've got my vote on my best scum-read.

Yeah, after a weak fos, still bussing.

hmm...

There is nothing wrong with this. Obviously he is busy IRL and just wanted to post that he was there. All the people after him are stupid or scum trying to counterwagon.

I think Not_Mafia is a townie.

Why? This is sheeping, just in case you newbies didn't know that.

What are you doing in a big game like this little boy?

But i digress. Vote Wake and you will be on your way

If this is manipulation, I suck at manipulation.

Whos the other person?

I thought you was talking to Alina but I now see you posted at the same time, so sorry.

But still, manipulating a newbie in to voting for someone is still suspicious.

I wont argue it is bad. But it definitely isn't manipulation.

He's still my top scumread. Boonskiies is number two, HunterSeeker is a scum lean for me because of this post then disappearing.

PEOPLE HAVE LIVES.

Your two scumreads are people that haven't provided content WHEN THE GAME HASN'T BEEN OPEN FOR MORE THAN TWO FUCKING DAYS. WHAT. THE. FUCK.

You die next.

I'm just trying to get him to post. I don't think it should be considered a "counterwagon." When I think wagon, I think multiple votes. I don't think one stray vote.

Two votes plus Adrien.

Counterwagon.

Love the detailed analysis, Burning. So much information. A lot of people are really only posting the bare minimum.

Give me more of that "detailed analysis" on why Boonsikes is scum, please.

I'm reading wake as bad town currently.
I would love to here abut more about scum motivation

Farside, I'm begging you. Do not convince me of Wake VI.
We already have VI Soren and VI Sala and VI Newbies. Do not make scumwake a VI.

He slipped earlier. He dropped the pressure and suddenly called NM town. Then he claims reaction testing, and continues to do so, also jokingly discredit me and this wagon against him. He dies, followed by his buddy adrien.

seriously, you all put Wake to L-3. Fair warning if you are playing run him up and let things sit without a claim that does not happen when I am in the game. I will post Intent to hammer as soon as someone is at L-1. It is how I play and what I am used to.
The run up of wake seems silly to me, but hey it is a day one make up a reason to run someone up on the first page stuff anyway.

Is it possible I found 3 scum this early? Its possible
Also intent to hammer is stupid, because scum can create counterclaims or scum will bullshit their way to endgame.

random.org=13
VOTE: vote Farside

I swear you just do this to piss people off.

because it gets a reaction every time

Also RVS is over

.

Seriously SKOT. Lets go. I'll win this. Your turn to make an edit.

General call for a policy lynch on SKOT unless he sets aside his moronic policy of pressing for claims on policy at L-1 regardless of whether someone is willing to hammer legitimately. Please respond to this directly if you would be willing to PL him unless he relents.

No no no and shut up. Hes vigbait with the other VI's. Also I agree with everything else he said.

ah, trying to take out the Bully stick, I do not respond well to bully stick behavior
Vote Aegor... non-sense....but this probably means you are town but absolute bullying behavior meant to enforce and engage in group think and "borg mindset." (FYI for those that engage in HoS, this vote is meant at as slap in his face)
Also you have already been in games with me but do not know what has and has not finished.

FUCKING
VIGBAIT
DIE

General call for a policy lynch on SKOT unless he sets aside his moronic policy of pressing for claims on policy at L-1 regardless of whether someone is willing to hammer legitimately.

Please respond to this directly if you would be willing to PL him unless he relents.

So you think wakes comments there after is scummy....why?

Because they perpetuate the nonsense that he posted in his initial post (50, I think).

&@ sal:

I'm reading wake as bad town currently.
I would love to here abut more about scum motivation.

Scum motivation? The self-contradiction in 50 has been handwaved as "checking reactions." Do you need more detail? We all need to decide whether Wake is horrible at checking reactions (by telling us that is what he is doing) or scum trying to cover himself by hiding under a bogus defense. Right now, I think he is the latter. That could change. The game has not even been running for a day.

random.org=13
VOTE: vote Farside

Are you serious?

oh and aegor, such nonsense by and large is playing against win condition at the core... also I was in the game 1st...

FUCKING
VIGBAIT
DIE

Scum or not, Sharp, your actions and posts are anti-town. You have to see that.

Hmmmm maybe SKOT is town.

@skot, why are you voting aegor?

because He pissed me off and I wanted to slap him in the face.

But not because he is scum?

FUCKING
VIGBAIT
DIE

Dude, what you are doing is NOT helping the town no matter how much you think it is. Let me repeat that...NOT...HELPING...THE TOWN!! Now both of you need to get the votes off each other and start lynching scum and not people you hate for other reasons. Because we are NOT going to win if you two keep this up. Understood?

Shut the fuck up and quit trying to look townie

Wake's intro is kinda out there. But it seems in character for me.

I'm more interested in the people on his wagon, BP's vote was purely oppertunistic, also Scarab slipped on there in the butter zone as soon as it looked like other people were interested.

Vote: Scarab

You are literally voting me for not sitting at my keyboard refreshing this game. I voted wake

18 minutes after his post

because that's when I saw it. This post of yours is just absolutely blatant opportunism. You acknowledge that there's something off with wake's intro post, then discredit its potential scumminess due to meta that other players may or may not have (hint: I've never read a game that had wake in it), then call people scummy for voting him for that post straight out of the RVS? Yeah, sure.

Unvote: Wake88

Vote: Mirhawk

Wake may or may not be scum, but this guy almost certainly is.



Regarding the SNOT stuff, I actually would be fine with being part of a policy lynch on him. I like policy lynches and this game feels way bigger than I expected.

*Head explodes*

How is a player ordering/pressuring somebody (twice) to vote for someone

not

manipulative?

Are you new too? Other people have done it. Its not manipulative.

My top townread is Alina at the moment. Despite his anger and my annoyance at him, I'm pretty sure Aegor is town too. Slightly lesser town reads of mine are farside and not_mafia.

My other scumreads not named Wake are HunterSeeker and boonskiies. Both of them have posted and been online but have not contributed at all or helped us scumhunt. Everyone else I see is pretty null at the moment.

SCUMSCUMSCUM. Seriously, your two scumreads are people that haven't even played/looked at this game yet!

Not sure which post Salamence was referring to in 54 regarding a WIFOM bomb. I say he feels opportunistic in 58.

54 was RVS, 58 was serious for reasons already stated

1. Sharpest-knife-on-tree = VIGBAIT
2. Salamence20 = LOLTOWN
3. TheAdrienC = SCUM
4. reinoe
5. Wake88 = SCUM
6. Burning_TowN = I don't like TN, but BE is cool
7. shaddowez
8. Damon_Gant = WHO?
9. Mirhawk
10. Not_Mafia = TOWN
11. Aegor = TOWN
12. Scarab
13. farside22 = TOWN
14. Boonskiies = WHO
15. BroodKingEXE = WHO
16. Soren = NOOB
17. Aeronaut = WHO?
18. HunterSeeker = WHO?
19. Clusk92
20. BP
21. Alina = TOWN?

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Who me? No.

Plz tell me, though that Adrian is bad and Boonsikes is VI.

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In the meantime, 10 or so more votes on Mirhawk would be nice, please and thank you

Wrong game.

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You know.

If all the people on Boonsikes' wagon moved to wakes we would be at L-1
Then Skot can do his intent to hammer bullshit

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vote sala...

Fuck it. I havent had any bullshit yet in this game, so now is the time:

Kill: SKOT

When he flips scum aegor is town

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Im reaction testing

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HEY SKOT.
YOU WERENT AT L-1.
WHY THE CLAIM?

HEY WAKE.
THAT IS HOW YOU DO A REACTION TEST.

Hey farside.
Why are there so many noobs/VI's here?

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Yeah. If doc protects "tracker" SKOT instead of townie players he sucks.

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Tracker does not make you conftown.

Not going to lie: Id probably dayvig you as an IC because youre annoying you suck and your pressure is shit

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VOTE: SKOT

tracker in multiball leads to scum

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Why do you assume this is multiball, Salamence?

good question...

Based on the rules

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What rules, Salamence? Am I missing something?

He explained all the possibilites scum/SK win.

Im highly suspecting multiball with scum tracker

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I want to lynch SKOT more than ever.

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Oh yeah, not used to Mod's meta. So null.

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Im done with this game.

The VI's are giving me a headache.

My vote stays on SKOT until Wake does something stupid (probably his next post).

SKOT vote is also optimal because I do not want Wake to claim another PR on DAY ONE.

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I'm townreading Alina and Wake, slightly scumreading reading boonskiies and VI reading salamence.

~tn5421

Youre a fucking troll. Also youre a dumbass. How about Aegor? SKOT? Farside? Seriously fuck off.

BP. Ill get to you when I cool down. But know that I want Adrien/Wake/SKOT dead today and any wagons towards Boonsikes/lurkers/non-confirms are most likely scum motivated.

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This game isn't good for my health. My blood pressure has raised and I am on the verge of replacement.

So, lets do analysis.

Spoiler: SKOT

Skot is the optimal lynch today and should go ASAP. He claimed tracker over the laziest dayvig attempt ever. Now I said before that tracker probably means multiball, because there is usually a scum tracker in order to find the other team. Now that is the best case scenario. The worse case, is that he is a town tracker that will waste his time either trolling Aegor/Me or just being useless as he is now.

random.org=13
VOTE: vote Farside

No one likes Random RVS. The reason for this is that he feels guilty for actually voting, so he does this. He says its meta. I say its scummy.

random.org=13
VOTE: vote Farside

Whoa, whoa, whoa!! What the hell is this?

HoS sharpest

Hump of suspicion
Horn of suspicion
Hellcat of suspicion
Hell of suspicion
Harp on Shit.... must mean that... (I think I will use that when people start harping on silly things)
FYI, it is what I do... always gets a reaction to... at least so far. The day it stops generating reaction then we shall see....

Because Wake's Reaction testing wasn't good enough.
Or my reaction test.
Or Clusks Manipulation.

ah, trying to take out the Bully stick, I do not respond well to bully stick behavior
Vote Aegor... non-sense....but this probably means you are town but absolute bullying behavior meant to enforce and engage in group think and "borg mindset." (FYI for those that engage in HoS, this vote is meant at as slap in his face)
Also you have already been in games with me but do not know what has and has not finished.

Ladies and Gentlemen: Our town tracker. easily instigated

oh and aegor, such nonsense by and large is playing against win condition at the core... also I was in the game 1st...

Because your OMGUS voting and fighting argor is playing for your wincon. I guess that could be scum wincon.....

which means you are playing against win condition.

And you aren't.

You would rather bully then to ask nicely.

You'd rather be arguementative than ignore him.

Now he over reacted and engaged in harping on shit

Yep, you haven't at all.

@skot, why are you voting aegor?

because He pissed me off and I wanted to slap him in the face.

That is against wincon if you are town. Good thing youre not.

vote sala...

This still isn't explained.

vote sala...

Fuck it. I havent had any bullshit yet in this game, so now is the time:

Kill: SKOT

When he flips scum aegor is town

well is that is real you are a complete idiot and just eliminated town-

Well the way I see it is that I am eliminating scum. Or just eliminating annoying Anti-town VI.

and fuck it that may be a gambit but if you did kill me you just off a tracker... and if a gambit you just exposed me. Congrats. Moron.

Yes, claim tracker on the easiest and laziest dayvig ever. Fucking die already.

So I want Sala to admit his bullshit. Then I want him run up to a claim.

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK!? HOW DOES A FAKEDAYVIG MAKE ME SCUM/TOWN IN ANYWAY. ITS NULL. YOU WANT TO ROLEFISH.

But why? That makes no sense at all. If you die, your role gets revealed anyway, if it's a gambit and you live, you just exposed your role to the scum. I really can't understand why the hell you would do that.

You will never understand me and my play...

THEN TAKE A HINT AND CHANGE IT.

^ That. If you thought it was still possibly a gambit, why claim?

because an exposed role player around here can be a good thing with a doc around since you can repeat protections. I am either dead, in which case you can factor that in for someone who is reactive and needs out of the game. It won't kill the game if I end up NK.

So I want Sala to admit his bullshit. Then I want him run up to a claim.

How do you know there's a doctor?

usually is one, odd that there would not be.

Yep, I am the odd one for bringing up multiball.

You know, I don't feel like doing the rest of his ISO right now because he fucking sucks. Just please do me a favor and lynch him. It saves us the benefit of revealing more claims that he wants, because he is town.

Reading: SCUM

Spoiler: Boonsikes

Ever heard of trolling? Ever heard of being 20 pages behind and lacking the motivation to read it? Yeah, that is what he is doing and his wagon is scum-motivated. Just ignore him till later while We lynch real scum (SKOT/Adrien/Wake)

Reading: Town

Tomorrow: Adrienscum, Wakescum, and Farsidesomething.

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Short post here:

I almost forgot why Adrien seemed so scummy, then I remembered his posts are fake as fuck.
Boon is obvtown, knock it off.

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Boon is obvtown, knock it off.

I'd like to know what exactly makes him obvtown to you.

If people don't agree with you then should can and will simply disregard your noise.

No one is above inquiry, and you'll not be shielding anyone from suspicion here.

I want to know exactly why you think he's obvtown when he isn't, and why you feel the need to try and put yourself between him and other players.

What has he done to be scum?

You will reply by saying active lurking.

I will counter by saying I would lurk actively if I suddenly saw 20 pages too.

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I dont suspect him.

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VOTE: Wake

If you dont know who my comment was about, you dont deserve life

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Hey guys I remembered why Adrien is fake.

He FOS's; realizes a real wagon on his buddy, the busses.

Im glad I remebered

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I think Sal is honestly just a paranoid townie acting a bit like a VI, at the moment. I could be wrong. I am a bit irritated that every other post he posts, he's calling me fake, which sounds more like a personal shot and insult at me.

What I don't understand is that I held my vote on Wake longer than a lot of other people on this list, listed you high on my scumreads list and I'm still willing to lynch you if that's the way the town wants to go, yet everyone is trying to couple me with you as a scumbuddy. I'm not your scumbuddy. I'm not anybody's scumbuddy. I'm doing my part to try to help us, the town, win by lynching scum.

As for your thoughts on your larger posts, I'll do an ISO on you and give you a summary. Off work today so I'll spend a bit of time doing it.

first of all, this isnt personal, nor a shot at your intelligence.

Secondly, you are fake because you didnt vote wake UNTIL A WAGON FORMED BY ME.

But hey, nice jab by calling me a VI to discredit me. Cool job

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Because everything you say is FAKE AS SHIT

[Salamence20]

Because everything you say is FAKE AS SHIT

DEFINE FUCKING FAKE, FOR CRYING OUT FUCKING LOUD AND STOP FUCKING REPEATING YOURSELF!!! WHAT THE FUCK MAKES MY POSTS FAKE?! BECAUSE I HAVE PUT MY HONEST TO GOD OPINION ON EVERY SINGLE FUCKING POST THAT I HAVE FUCKING DONE EVERY SINCE I STARTED THIS FUCKING GAME1 SO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE FUCK MY POSTS ARE FAKE IN SPECIFIC FUCKING DETAIL OR SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT!!

Fucking dumbass!

DONT YOU EVEN FUCKING TRY ME WITH THE FAKE RANT RANTING BULLSHIT. YOU HAVE BEEN FAKE ALL FUCKING DAY. YOU FOSED WAKE WHEN PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WAS ODD BUT WHEN A REAL WAGONED FORMED YOU DECIDED JUST FUCKING THEN TO VOTE WAKE BECAUSE YOU NEEDED TOWN FUCKING CREDIT WHEN HE GOT LYNCHED BUT YOU GOT FUCKING LUCKY THERE WASNT ENOUGH PEOPLE TO LYNCH WAKE. AFTER THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ACT LIKE THE FUCKING VOICE OF REASON AND LOOK GOOD FOR YOUR BUDDY. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN FAKE AND THE ONLY REASON THIS HAPPENING IS BECAUSE WAKE HASNT FLIPPED SCUM YET. AND FUCK YOUR OPINION SINCE YOU DIDNT FUCKING VOTE WAKE IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU FAKE ASS BITCH

WHEN WAKE FLIPS SCUM YOU DIE. NO FUCKING DEBATE. DIE DIE DIE

PEDIT: AGAIN FAKE TOWNIE POSTING AT BEST.

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Adrien posted alot, but what got me was...

Why does he think I have a PR?

Ill argue the rest later, but

VOTE: Fakedrian

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Im not even mafia.

How do you know I have a PR?
What makes you think I have a PR?
Why dont you replace out yet?

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Don't overdo it guys. You're not

that

convincing.

Shut the fuck up. Im not done with you either

Adrien, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU MENTION PRs UNLESS YOU KNEW SOMETHING? Explain that.

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How the hell could I know something? Ever heard of a day-role cop in a normal game. I repeat because apparently you need a lot of repetition for things to sink it: I do not know nor do I care if you have a night role. I just hope you waste it on me if you do because I want to see karma bite you in the ass.

Day-Vig
Day-Cop
Day-Rolecop.

CLAIM ROLECOP NOW OR DIE. OTHERWISE IDK WHY YOU BROUGHT THAT UP!

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Bullshit

[Salamence20]

NOW IM DONE WITH YOU. YOU CAN STILL FUCK OFF AND SHEEP ME THOUGH.

VOTE: Wake

[Salamence20]

I cant wait til we play cat and mouse later

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Fuck you, Salamence.

Suck my dick

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Just vote Adrian.

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Oh man...

Here we go.

ADRIEN IS BLACKLISTED.

Next?

[Salamence20]

It's a shiny Salamance.

Sparkle sparkle

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