NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[tn5421]

Confirming that I'm totally in this game.

[tn5421]

VOTE: reinoe

I can't abide someone that thinks lying to town is a town-motivated action.

[tn5421]

Guys I have something. Gonna share it later. Bb

Would that happen to be that reinoe is a gambit-whore and needs an ASAP lynch?

[tn5421]

@Elyse & Alina

Why do you think tn hasn't updated his mafiascum wiki?

@OkaPoka &TSO@Mirhawk

Should I perform a gambit this game?

Haven't updated my wiki yet since I'm busy updating things on my Ubuntu installation.

I normally use Windows but I've got a backup OS in case windows freaks out (it has a habit of doing that, in fact)

[tn5421]

Petition to classify okapoka as a scumbird (see mafia sitcom in GD)

[tn5421]

Petition to classify okapoka as a scumbird (see mafia sitcom in GD)

[tn5421]

That he flat out admits it's a PL vote while the rest are like

"lol no gambiterinos for u"

I technically have the same reasoning, I'm just not hiding behind a wall of shit.

Town- Gameplay, tn

maybe town- TSO, Elyse

You're forgetting me.

miguffy pls

notsci, I'm voting him for a reason.

this isn't a joke - I want a policy lynch.

I'm there with you 100% Orange Juice

King: Majiffy

inb4 this is actually kingmaker and this isn't a joke

reinoe you're next

Sorry I only self-vote when I'm raging at the town for speed mislynching me.

Silly raymoo, you only self vote if you're scum to deny information to town.

And you perform the dumbest gambits and you get drunken rage and self hammer

I'm not against this as it would probably be hilarious, but I would much rather he did it on day one.

If this is a real thing that happens, today is the day for it.

A... Forest fire?

Sudowoodo. False Tree. He's actually made of stone?(cite pls)

Fire doesn't bother him.

no I hate forest fires they killed all my friends gtfo you cis flesh scum

VOTE: Mirhawk

Did you really just bring tumblr-esque SJW bullshit onto mofiascum.not
You might be next after

GambitAllDayErrDayRaymoo

is dead.

With absolutely nothing else to go on, seemed like as good of a reason as anybody else has used so far. VOTE: Elyse for tunneling onto a RVS vote.

Considering she only posted once asking about this (at the time, I realize there have been more since), why are you claiming she's tunneling?

Town- Gameplay, tn

maybe town- TSO, Elyse

NS

- Have any scum reads yet, or just town?

Townreads are preferable to scumreads early on imo.

This game is getting nowhere.

Claim: Innocent Child

Bow down bitches, bow, bow down bitches.

So IC Kingmaker Redux is what's going on? /s

WAHA IC NOT CONFIRMED KINGMAKER NOT CONFIRMED VIG KILL FROM TREE NOT CONFIRMED WAHAHA SCUMCLAIM HARDER PLS

[tn5421]

Townreads are preferable to scumreads early on imo.

why are you answering his question towards me

I like to answer questions.

I think Majiffy voting me is an attempt to look like town who doesn't care.

I voted you because your claim looked full of shit.

Turns out I was right. Fancy that.

This is bullshit. Sure when somebody goes "Kill: Player" you can think it's fake.

But when you see an Innocent Child claim, maybe the first reaction if you're town is to vote them for the heck of it. How the hell is it an initial town reaction to vote them because you somehow knew it wasn't real? It's like when someone doesn't eat the birthday cake, then everyone gets food poisoning and you say "see!? I

knew

it was a bad cake" despite how it didn't look different from any other cake at all.

Because you're fucking scummier than Reinoe.

Congratulations.

VOTE: Tree

[tn5421]

*wiggle*

VOTE: wake

This game is getting nowhere.

Claim: Innocent Child

Bow down bitches, bow, bow down bitches.

At least the ball is finally rolling!

Kill: Majiffy

I think this sums it up well enough.

[tn5421]

*wiggle*

VOTE: wake

This game is getting nowhere.

Claim: Innocent Child

Bow down bitches, bow, bow down bitches.

At least the ball is finally rolling!

Kill: Majiffy

I think this sums it up well enough.

this is the most pathetic wagon i have ever seen

I think Tree is town - a VI. There is no conniving in his posts. A lot of players, present company included, play around too much at gamestart.
I don't quite understand why it's

this

show of excess that generates a wagon rather than my own or others, except that Majiffy has decided so and there are enough weaker players around to go with it.

I don't mean them individually. I mean all together.

[tn5421]

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

Quite frankly tree dug his own grave by trying to gambit twice, ESPECIALLY and SPECIFICALLY his IC claim.

I disagree with you on your current majiffy read, weren't you following the flowchart and sheeping majiffy 10 pages ago anyway?
I've got him as relatively neutral, slightly leaning town.

[tn5421]

The second one was him posting kill: majiffy in thread.

[tn5421]

I summarized what I don't like about tree in 461

[tn5421]

Def not a great post but other tn podts merit z scumread more than that.

Treevote plox.

His other 4 posts following that were Tree is scum because he gambitted twice. Which, given 240, make them null, and almost confirms Tree as town.

Your reasons are wrong. Already proved so.

My reasons for thinking Tree is town if tn5421 is scum?

No, he has the same weak reason you do, but he tried to support it by quoting the posts where tree gambitted, then repeating it.

Fooling around is fine.

Fakeclaiming and pretending to be a dayvig AND an innocent child in the same day is not ok.
This is a matter of policy to me, and I don't care if I have to become your top scumread as long as I get them (tree and reinoe, the heavy gambit users) lynched first.

I dont need to replace out simply because I dont know anything more. Also I am not bluffing simply because Wake asked me not to talk about what I know. And to add to it my thoughts were kinda proved wrong. Wake gave me peemission to quote this:

Expert level quote there.

[tn5421]

On one hand: WTF Aegor?
On the other: Appreciate the honesty and the fact that you're back now.

[tn5421]

On one hand, I'm glad we're all on the tree wagon, but following reinoe to do so?

What has this world come to? :3

[tn5421]

On one hand: WTF Aegor?
On the other: Appreciate the honesty and the fact that you're back now.

I was on a retreat and had very limited access. Also, 26 pages in 3-4 days is outrageous. Anyway, expect something tomorrow.

No worries, we're not really close to lynching anyone right now.

[tn5421]

This is your fault titus.

ZOMG! Superscum here. Blaming me for things when I wasn't here.

[/melodrama]

Since when does titus making sense = scum? (@titus, not mirhawk)

[tn5421]

I can't believe that the top wagon is tree.

I can't believe you faked replacing out.



>inb4 i can't believe its not butter, believe me i can.

[tn5421]

*insanity ensues*

OOC/OOG: @Psyche: I want to take a row of data, do a frequency check on it, and have the implied formula output the most frequent result. How would I accomplish this with spreadsheet formulae?

[tn5421]

Why is texcat a town read ?

He's not a townread

But the vote on him just felt really strange

It was reachy as fuck

The fuck is this, mahjong?

You keep saying your voting me because of "my interactions" which you didn't like, but what exactly didn't you like about them? Just saying "I didn't like the interactions" doesn't give information to help anybody.

I think Elyse said it better than I could.

No. You said you would be down for a tree lynch and then changed your mind 10 posts later because you said people like reinoe hopped on for bad reasons. Then I pointed out you said that before reinoe hopped on, so you said it was because you didn't like how Majiffy was pushing him. Then I pointed out Majiffy only said "now vote tree" in between those posts and you now say "yeah, that and the like" and there are no other posts in between that can constitute as "the like".

And? I'm talking about two specific posts not even a page apart with drastically different opinions and no reasons to back them up.

And I'm not scumreading you because it's "convenient". It's because you can't explain your actions and become aggressive when pressured for no reason other than you're being a dick and trying to make me out like the bad guy.

So to be clear, you're just latching onto her argument instead of giving your actual opinion?

Indeed, the least you (texcat) could do is at least state the reasons in your own words, even if its a rehash of the same old thing.

In addition, there was your first read of TN as town which you couldn't explain when Majiffy questioned you about it. I think whiffling, as Majiffy calls it, is not good.

In the conversation with Elyse, you continued asking her for her reads even after she had told you. You seemed to be trying to divert her attention off of you.

Lol, that wasn't Majiffy. That was Mirhawk.

Shows how much you've actually been paying attention.

But yeah, I believe in latching onto good arguments.

It seems to me like you're just skimming the game and latching on to the first thing you see. You didn't even say I was scummy yourself. You actually had to quote someone else's reasons because you don't have any of your own.

VOTE: Tex

As far as I'm concerned, Oka is still scum, but at least he's trying to explain his flawed reasoning. You're just sheeping up the wazoo.

The lower the effort, the stronger the scumread?

Not always accurate, but it makes sense in this context.

Is nobody going to comment on how Titus was using The Light to keep up-to-date on the game without being required to participate or having players meta her during and/or slightly after RVS?

[tn5421]

Is nobody going to comment on how Titus was using The Light to keep up-to-date on the game without being required to participate or having players meta her during and/or slightly after RVS?

I have no idea what the fuck

any

of this is. Or what Titus' whole "I am the light" post was about. I imagine that probably goes for everyone else who is ignoring it.

So why don't you go ahead and explain since you seem to grok it enough to have a problem with it?

Titus wanted to observe us to

gain reads without being required to give any information out in return

. In essence, getting something for nothing.

Titus has a fair idea of where we all stand on the current issues and yet we know NOTHING of Titus's reads on us.

If you can't see the problem with this then we might have a bigger problem on our hands.

[tn5421]

Maybe you missed the part where he's compromising with me on Tree today.

But that would require reading the thread, something a good percentage of this game apparently has no idea how to do.

What happens if Tree flips town?

Then we lose a VI; no big deal in my opinion.

[tn5421]

Maybe you missed the part where he's compromising with me on Tree today.

But that would require reading the thread, something a good percentage of this game apparently has no idea how to do.

What happens if Tree flips town?

Then we lose a VI; no big deal in my opinion.

If I wAnted a vi lynch I'd vote you or Pere first.

>ignores known gambit whore
>ignores bullshit IC / dayvig claim
>would rather push town and some dude named Pear (sry peregrine)
>k

[tn5421]

Maybe you missed the part where he's compromising with me on Tree today.

But that would require reading the thread, something a good percentage of this game apparently has no idea how to do.

What happens if Tree flips town?

Then we lose a VI; no big deal in my opinion.

If I wAnted a vi lynch I'd vote you or Pere first.

>ignores known gambit whore
>ignores bullshit IC / dayvig claim
>would rather push town and some dude named Pear (sry peregrine)
>k

I'm sorry, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you a hydra in the large game were wake did his gambit?

I don't see Wake fakeclaiming IC and pretending to dayvig people.

The difference between then and now is I was fairly confident that Wake was town, but I can't say the same thing for tree/reinoe.

[tn5421]

Yeah, the hydra was Burning_TowN, with Burning_Earth.

Definitely not my best work.

[tn5421]

I can follow a flowchart.

[tn5421]

@reinoe: such as?

[tn5421]

a reinoe/tn feud

EXCUSE ME?

THIS IS AN A <-> B CONVERSATION, C YOUR WAY OUT, D.

[tn5421]

And I'm seeing it this game.

You want to lynch me for being a "gambit whore". Ok, except...here are the people who have performed gambits or made fakeclaims...


2x tree
Majiffy
Titus vis TheLight (not posting to see what happens)

Yet you're pushing my lynch (or at least you were) and you insist that I'm going to perform a gambit any minute now. There's no consistency to your suspicion of me and you're not outlining what, if anything I've done this game.

I'm actively voting tree. I'm not terribly happy with majiffy or Titus right now, and you've seen me take a stance on Titus.
Not sure exactly what Majiffy did to be honest, mind quoting it at me?

[tn5421]

This is completely unrelated to the game:

Does anyone know what's going on with the site chat? I can't seem to type anything to anyone, at all.

[tn5421]

I'm actively voting tree. I'm not terribly happy with majiffy or Titus right now, and you've seen me take a stance on Titus.
Not sure exactly what Majiffy did to be honest, mind quoting it at me?

Why are you on a wagon being pushed almost entirely by a person you are "not terribly happy" with?

Because as not-happy as I am, you're making sense.

[tn5421]

Like I said I fought for pages with him.
He truely see's nothing wrong with what he says.

Neither does anyone else. Except for {Psyche, Aero, farside}.

Hm.

everyone else is an idiot then

bye I'm gone to church

Because an ad hominem is going to make me move my vote.

[tn5421]

And I'm seeing it this game.

You want to lynch me for being a "gambit whore". Ok, except...here are the people who have performed gambits or made fakeclaims...


2x tree
Majiffy
Titus vis TheLight (not posting to see what happens)

Yet you're pushing my lynch (or at least you were) and you insist that I'm going to perform a gambit any minute now. There's no consistency to your suspicion of me and you're not outlining what, if anything I've done this game.

I'm actively voting tree. I'm not terribly happy with majiffy or Titus right now, and you've seen me take a stance on Titus.
Not sure exactly what Majiffy did to be honest, mind quoting it at me?

That was a mistake on my part. It was notscience and not majiffy.

notscience faked turning majiffy into a kingmaker.

He's on my shitlist, but he's less important RN than tree/titus/yourself

[tn5421]

VOTE: tn

That's an OMGUS's OMGUS.

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[tn5421]

HOLY SHIT REINOE IS MAKING SENSE WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

[tn5421]

Like I said I fought for pages with him.
He truely see's nothing wrong with what he says.

Neither does anyone else. Except for {Psyche, Aero, farside}.

Hm.

everyone else is an idiot then

bye I'm gone to church

Because an ad hominem is going to make me move my vote.

but how else did majiffy get anyone to submit to his insanity!?

unless you're the real scum here pushing on a shitty "scumtell"!!!

omgus level reasoning

[tn5421]

That's a damn shame, I was looking forward to see why you think I'm scummy.

[tn5421]

Reinoe and Tree do, Aero.

[tn5421]

Okay but the goal of the game isn't "convince Majiffy" it's "lynch scum". Are you seriously saying that you'd lynch town just to appease Majiffy?

yes

~~~~

no really

why not think for yourself

the logic of half of the people in this game is making me want to cut myself

nooooooooo don't do it

~~~~

Def not a great post but other tn podts merit z scumread more than that.

Treevote plox.

His other 4 posts following that were Tree is scum because he gambitted twice. Which, given 240, make them null, and almost confirms Tree as town.

Your reasons are wrong. Already proved so.

My reasons for thinking Tree is town if tn5421 is scum?

No, he has the same weak reason you do, but he tried to support it by quoting the posts where tree gambitted, then repeating it.

Fooling around is fine.

Fakeclaiming and pretending to be a dayvig AND an innocent child in the same day is not ok.
This is a

matter of policy

to me, and I don't care if I have to become your top scumread as long as I get them (tree and reinoe, the heavy gambit users)

lynched first

.

So you don't think Tree is scum, but want him policy lynched?

I think there is a

chance

he is scum. And I want him dead.

~~~~

Unvote

My scumreads all suck

It's ok to vote tree. We need the firewood.

This is going in my sig when this game is over.

~~~~

Tn is scummy

That's some cracker-jack reasoning you got there.

Didn't he FoS me on a crappy reason too?

~~~~

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

Quite frankly tree dug his own grave by trying to gambit twice, ESPECIALLY and SPECIFICALLY his IC claim.

I disagree with you on your current majiffy read, weren't you following the flowchart and sheeping majiffy 10 pages ago anyway?
I've got him as relatively neutral, slightly leaning town.

Def not a great post but other tn podts merit z scumread more than that.

Treevote plox.

His other 4 posts following that were Tree is scum because he gambitted twice. Which, given 240, make them null, and almost confirms Tree as town.

Your reasons are wrong. Already proved so.

My reasons for thinking Tree is town if tn5421 is scum?

No, he has the same weak reason you do, but he tried to support it by quoting the posts where tree gambitted, then repeating it.

Fooling around is fine.

Fakeclaiming and pretending to be a dayvig AND an innocent child in the same day is not ok.
This is a matter of policy to me, and I don't care if I have to become your top scumread as long as I get them (tree and reinoe, the heavy gambit users) lynched first.

I dont need to replace out simply because I dont know anything more. Also I am not bluffing simply because Wake asked me not to talk about what I know. And to add to it my thoughts were kinda proved wrong. Wake gave me peemission to quote this:

Expert level quote there.

On one hand, I'm glad we're all on the tree wagon, but following reinoe to do so?

What has this world come to? :3

Why is texcat a town read ?

He's not a townread

But the vote on him just felt really strange

It was reachy as fuck

The fuck is this, mahjong?

You keep saying your voting me because of "my interactions" which you didn't like, but what exactly didn't you like about them? Just saying "I didn't like the interactions" doesn't give information to help anybody.

I think Elyse said it better than I could.

No. You said you would be down for a tree lynch and then changed your mind 10 posts later because you said people like reinoe hopped on for bad reasons. Then I pointed out you said that before reinoe hopped on, so you said it was because you didn't like how Majiffy was pushing him. Then I pointed out Majiffy only said "now vote tree" in between those posts and you now say "yeah, that and the like" and there are no other posts in between that can constitute as "the like".

And? I'm talking about two specific posts not even a page apart with drastically different opinions and no reasons to back them up.

And I'm not scumreading you because it's "convenient". It's because you can't explain your actions and become aggressive when pressured for no reason other than you're being a dick and trying to make me out like the bad guy.

So to be clear, you're just latching onto her argument instead of giving your actual opinion?

Indeed, the least you (texcat) could do is at least state the reasons in your own words, even if its a rehash of the same old thing.

In addition, there was your first read of TN as town which you couldn't explain when Majiffy questioned you about it. I think whiffling, as Majiffy calls it, is not good.

In the conversation with Elyse, you continued asking her for her reads even after she had told you. You seemed to be trying to divert her attention off of you.

Lol, that wasn't Majiffy. That was Mirhawk.

Shows how much you've actually been paying attention.

But yeah, I believe in latching onto good arguments.

It seems to me like you're just skimming the game and latching on to the first thing you see. You didn't even say I was scummy yourself. You actually had to quote someone else's reasons because you don't have any of your own.

VOTE: Tex

As far as I'm concerned, Oka is still scum, but at least he's trying to explain his flawed reasoning. You're just sheeping up the wazoo.

The lower the effort, the stronger the scumread?

Not always accurate, but it makes sense in this context.

Is nobody going to comment on how Titus was using The Light to keep up-to-date on the game without being required to participate or having players meta her during and/or slightly after RVS?

Is nobody going to comment on how Titus was using The Light to keep up-to-date on the game without being required to participate or having players meta her during and/or slightly after RVS?

I have no idea what the fuck

any

of this is. Or what Titus' whole "I am the light" post was about. I imagine that probably goes for everyone else who is ignoring it.

So why don't you go ahead and explain since you seem to grok it enough to have a problem with it?

Titus wanted to observe us to

gain reads without being required to give any information out in return

. In essence, getting something for nothing.

Titus has a fair idea of where we all stand on the current issues and yet we know NOTHING of Titus's reads on us.

If you can't see the problem with this then we might have a bigger problem on our hands.

And I'm seeing it this game.

You want to lynch me for being a "gambit whore". Ok, except...here are the people who have performed gambits or made fakeclaims...


2x tree
Majiffy
Titus vis TheLight (not posting to see what happens)

Yet you're pushing my lynch (or at least you were) and you insist that I'm going to perform a gambit any minute now. There's no consistency to your suspicion of me and you're not outlining what, if anything I've done this game.

I'm actively voting tree. I'm not terribly happy with majiffy or Titus right now, and you've seen me take a stance on Titus.
Not sure exactly what Majiffy did to be honest, mind quoting it at me?

Long quote wall and here is what my issues are:

Tn: vote on tree is garbage gambit bulkshit, that he doesn't explain why is scum.
He follows the logic on texcat but just move into tree still egging on that wagon.
Next we have the comment about Titus doing some ulterior shit that makes no sense and looks to be storing thing up in that post for no reason.
Doesn't trust jiffy but stays on wagon, then lolilikililol

In short tn is holding a vote on tree for gambit purposes, stirs the pot with scum reads like texcat and Titus but hold his vote doing nothing more but giggling around the vi.

In order for us to not lose the game on one person's say so, I am doing what I can to ensure all gambiters are lynched. If reinoe wagon had taken off today I would be on it, and if tree flips today I'll be pushing reinoe unless I have a clear scumread on someone.

The point is, even if tree/reinoe are town, they are

negative utility

town that actually benefits us to have removed.
I don't really trust jiffy, but our current goals are in alignment. Don't you have to work with people you don't necessarily trust at work IRL?
I'm considering adding "Titus pulling another gambit" to my mafia cardcast deck. I still maintain that she used The Light to have an excuse to view the game without getting suspicion based on her meta or being required to interact/defend.
I don't honestly remember what I said about texcat so clearly it wasn't very notable.

[tn5421]

I feel bad for you Titus

your scum role pm

:/

Dude, so meta. :-p

Not scum here. Seriously, you got drunk Titus. Take advantage of me. You see me town.

owo

I'm not sure I'm cut out for this size of game.

How come you don't like me in this game?

While I'm going through this, could someone please explain to me what a chainsaw defense is? I've seen a few of you use the term, and have no clue what it means.

[tn5421]

Praise Majiffy?

Majiffy's a decent guy and good at not getting himself lynched. A great scumhunter... no.

[tn5421]

You called him a shitty scumhunter, which can be construed as name-calling.

I found that sitting around in my photobucket from years back and decided it was begging to be re-released upon the world.

[tn5421]

That's why I said "it can be construed" rather than saying "you called him a shitty scumhunter".

[tn5421]

The picture is damn near 8 years old, Titus. It's not a perfect fit for the situation.

[tn5421]

There's a difference between "not a perfect fit" and disavowing the clear meaning of what you just said.

You can die tomorrow.

Is that a scumclaim?

[tn5421]

Finally, someone I fucking like shows up.

Wow, that cuts deep.

I'd like to think that we're kinda-friends, but this is mafia. If you let friendship get in the way you'll lose.

[tn5421]

Dude, that was all in the context of the fucking game.

I like you outside of the game. In this game, you have a scum role PM.

Actually, I don't, but I assume you mean "I assume everyone but me has a scum role pm" rather than you talking about me specifically.

I can't believe all these people voting Aero like he's scum.

If he's scum I will literally sheep reinoe for the

rest of the game

.

[tn5421]

@Titus: Don't worry, I'm really good at 'not taking things personally' at least within the context of the game.

[tn5421]

Damnit.

On one hand, I want to lynch tree today, but on the other I can't just sit back and ignore this godawful wagon on Aero.

How the fuck can someone GAMBIT with ICs and Dayvigs but GOD FORBID SOMEONE FUCKING SOFTCLAIM LOL PILE ON THE WAGON

[tn5421]

Gameplay those are actually good points. Okay. I'll look closer at everything tomorrow. My brain is fried.

UNVOTE: Aeronaut

And I'm not voting him because of his softclaim. That thing is null to me.

My comment was directed at Mirhawk in particular :<

[tn5421]

Balinskiies.

Still waiting for this to be a thing.

[tn5421]

So, initial thoughts - anyone whose name can be abbreviated to PerV must be town

Since the group of us from our last game seem to be voting for each other,
VOTE: Aero

I'll be going through the pages of stuff I managed to miss is less than 12 hours and (hopefully) posting more content in a bit.

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Elyse, do you have reads besides this?

At that point, no. Did you?

@RoyalApe
I'm done pursuing this vote further because obviously it's now starting to cause more harm than good.

But your "question" to me "Are you defending Oka" seemed rhetoric because of the "should I be poking you" and "HMMMMM?". That's why I posted those two separately.

It's ok though because we're out of RVS! (Despite reinoe and co trying to keep us in it)

Now when you all realize that voting me for pressuring an RVS vote is stupid, we can get on with the game. If you seriously think scum would do this and try to ride it out to a lynch on RoyalApe, then lol ok.

lulz at the fakeness here.


VOTE: Elyse
[notscience, TSO, Elyse]

Explain.

I agree with tree wrt feeling like we're still in RVS. And saying that he feels that way doesn't mean he's keeping us in there, Aeronaut.

Eh...

I think Reinoe is probably town

. Honestly. Scum Reinoe is serious and focused, and that's just not what we have here.

He does like to change playstyles I guess, but either way it's null

.

Town or null?

Psyche, you literally don't make sense ever.

I'd be down with a tree lynch, but I'm not feeling good about Oka.

The aggressiveness rubs me wrong, and it sort of feels like he's trying way to hard to make it look like he's scumhunting.

That's how I feel about you actually.

@People voting tree: I'm not really sure that a crappy IC claim is enough to lynch someone. What else has tree done that's really scummy?

Wait you literally just said in the post I quoted above that you'd be down with a tree lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aeronaut

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I have been reading along, but haven't understood half of what is going on. Tree made a couple of quickly disproven fake claims that I can't see the purpose for. And I can't see the motivation for it from either a scum or a town. Although I will say that it seemed to generate quite a bit of conversation.

The recent interactions between Aero and Elyse have convinced me to
VOTE: Aeronaut

~~~~

Oooh is it me?

Nah, scum like you have reasons for shitty reads

You say I'm scum, but you're voting someone you think is town... Hmmm...

~~~~

Vote: Aeronaut

~~~~

vote aeronaut

~~~~

VOTE: aero

btw

~~~~

VOTE: Aero

Letsdoit

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But can't we lynch Aeronaut today and tree tomorrow?

Because I give a 30% estimate of tree being scum, but Aeronaut is around double that.

This is pretty close to the way I feel on this.

@Aero
It would save a lot of time if you just claimed now. I'm not going elsewhere until that softclaim nonsense has been resolved.

Vote
Lynch: Tree

ughhh

on a side note do you know how much votes formatted like so remove all hope of automated anything

Geez, the top line was supposed to be unvote and the first word of the second line should have been vote.

Man I screwed that up.

Unvote
Vote: Aero

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....so this is the entire timeline of Aero votes.

[tn5421]

This is probably L-2.

VOTE: Aeronaut

I

t miiiiight be L-1. I'm bad at counting.

I'm not sure. So be careful.

WELP, FORGOT THIS ONE

[tn5421]

@tn- I've repeatedly been asked for reasons why I'm voting him and have given them. Don't just quote the "naked" vote and pretend there is nothing else behind it.

@Alina- Derp? Really? Bite me.

@Psyche- Bite me.

@TSO- Why are you looking the most sane this game? Don't we normally butt heads >.>

I didn't feel like quoting every single one of your one-line posts.

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scum

Aeronaut flipflops, aggressive under pressure

omguscum

Aegor
farside And her recent change to TN is ?

So your scum candidates are the one person that everyone is voting and the two people who think you are scum?

@everyone:

Please explain to me why texcat should be kept alive. I am really not seeing it.

@farside:

Time to vote texcat again.

@RoyalApe:

Give me your thoughts on the Aero wagon. Also tell me your current Elyse read and who your top scumreads are.

The only thing I can say in texcat's favor is that he isn't a high priority right now.

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I'll read that entire wall later when I have the energy

but

I WANT TO GET YOU TO L-1 TO CLAIM BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN SOFTCLAIMING LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER AND IT'S SCARING SOME IDIOTS FROM VOTING YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY SCUM.

I hate to tell you this but I'm pretty sure he's town.

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Hypothetical.

There's a scum

Let's just call him Aeronaut

He softclaims a role.

We make him claim

He claims tracker.

Now, we have a townie, lets just call him jimmy

Jimmy's a tracker and CCs him

We have confscum now!

It doesn't work like that in a closed setup. VI confirmed. (hoping HL3 confirmed too)

~~~~

Elyse pls stop destroying town and outing pr's. Just stop.

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Reinoe
alina
T S O
notscience
Shaddowez
Elyse

These people are basically conf town and if you don't like it you can just shut the fuck up because your opinion is invalid.

No, over half of this list is scummy, Alina is the only person I'd feel safe considering conftown.

~~~~

Who else is in the hood

Are you seriously asking that? C'mon now.

lolwat

~~~~

The fact he claimed in a hood with more than just 1 other person is a scumclaim.

The fact that you're pushing this deliberate misunderstanding is a scumclaim from you. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't ISO you and report every single one-line post to the moderation team.
Go on. I'm waiting.

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Why would scum-notscience give a shit?

Why would town notscience out that Aero claimed RB when it could be used to see who "slipped" knowing that information given neighborhoods have day chat it's logical to conclude scum do too.

Someone having too much knowledge = scumslip.

This is why NS doesn't get the girl.

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I will consider any future neighbor claim that isn't done in the player's next post as a scumclaim.

Let's see here, does your bullying apply to any particular neighborhood or just any neighborhood. Not a fan of the fish here.

I don't know why you're assuming multiple neighborhoods. But I'm specifically referring to the gameplay/Aero neighborhood.

Also there's no fish there. You're an idiot.

Wake has a fetish for multiple neighborhoods. It's reasonable to assume there is probably more than one.

~~~~

I'm Counter Claiming Role Blocker.

VOTE: Aero

People do this in closed?
Really?

There may be duplicate roles, and they can be either Town or Scum.

Yet another confirmed VI, possibly even scum.

~~~~

I am putting a proposal to the mod.

Veto my vote for today: silence Gameplay for 48 hours.

You can do that?

~~~~

Bolding it so skimmers can see.

I am a Town-Aligned Gunsmith. I investigate a person every night, and then I get either "Gun" or "No Gun". That is my role., it's sort of lame.

~~~~

That is not fucking lame....

VOTE: Aeronaut

Don't care if it's hammer. No one thinks a copish role is lame. That if it wasn't bullshit, a) confirms a vigilante and b) gives anyone negatively guiltied only a fake claim of vig.

Aeronaut's play is also not consistent. Cops and Copish roles generally want to keep their head down until necessary.

This seems like a CC fish.

You really want to claim scum without actually claiming don't you?
Gunsmith can misfire on cops and vigs, why else call it lame?

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You deserve this Elyse:

VOTE: Elyse
Call it a placeholder vote. Call it whatever you like. But if you are town you should just know that by your idiotic push you outed 2 presumably town pr's. And now when Aero claimed pr you go like "oh really you were a pr I didnt know, sorry unvoting you". Literally wtf. Leaving my vote here at least for the night.

Pedit@ reinoe I already answered that one. Mainly leaning on Psyche, Mir and Tso. Maji and NS arent good either.

Shut the fuck up. I'm done with you and your elitist attitude.

I did not force Aero to claim.

I wanted to just run him up as usual but he decided to softclaim

which is so antitown I can't even start

. Then he said "welp I'm a PR" which again sucks.

I

had nothing to do with Josh outing his role and

didn't even think Aero claimed roleblocker.

I

backed off of Aero because gunsmith is a testable claim and if he is town, scum will want to kill him sooner than later. I'm not stupid.

You

should stop blaming everything on me because it's not my fault and I'm fucking obvtown. I also want you to know that there's a good chance there's scum in your neighborhood and I'm coming after you next.

You should probably stop lying then. Bolded so you can't pretend to not understand.

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Titus what the fuck? Like even if you think he's lying (which I totally understand), the optimal play is not to lynch him.

I don't understand what you're doing this game. This isn't town-you.

Town me is not understood.

Think...would scum try to lynch a gunsmith with follow the cop not being possible on mafiascum.

And how do you know that it isn't possible? The last time I checked the setup is CLOSED, which means we have NO IDEA what roles are in play.

HOW IS IT THAT YOU POSSESS THIS INSIDER KNOWLEDGE IF YOU AREN'T SCUM?

~~~~

Then my read tonight will prove it.

Not moving from Aero. This is a Tunnel.

Lynching claimed Town PR's, especially testable ones, might as well be you scumclaiming.

You are going to die today if I have ANYTHING to say about it.

VOTE: Titus

[tn5421]

sighhh

what is this peculiar tendency of people to demonize people who disagree with them?

Out Of Character - Out Of Game:
I believe it is simply called "dehumanization".

Take a look-see: http://general.utpb.edu/fac/hughes_j/Ha ... zation.pdf

[tn5421]

I'm assuming day-vig here.

tn what am I lying about?

Do you not see the consecutive bolded text?

[tn5421]

The last ten pages almost made me vomit from anger.

There was no point whatsoever to running Aero up; his softclaim should have been ignored from the beginning.

Josh's CC made absolutely no sense. Way to suck.

Titus' vote after the claim was...there are no words.



Still want to lynch texcat. Would be fine lynching Titus.

As I said earlier, texcat is a low priority lynch, one that I'm willing to compromise to if I can't get my primary reads {Titus, NotScience} dealt with.

he wasnt run up for the softclaim

Not for a lack of trying.

[tn5421]

he wasnt run up for the softclaim

Yes, he was. Explicitly.

Then you need to go back to a first grade reading class. No one except for Mirhawk joined his wagon because of the softclaim.

This is directly contradictory to the following:

I WANT TO GET YOU TO L-1 TO CLAIM BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN SOFTCLAIMING LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER AND IT'S SCARING SOME IDIOTS FROM VOTING YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY SCUM.

So which is it, little liar?

~~~~

That's not why he was run up. He was run up for being scummy.

And once the softclaim is out there, you can't just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist. It needs to be dealt with. I'm done with your shitty attitude though.

I'm done with you lying to town.

~~~~

For the record: I'm not sure I'll ever support an Elyse wagon. I find her both incredibly town in this game, and I also find her to be a very strong player. If I was scum with her, which I have been, she would be my #1 target for a nightkill.

So I can safely ignore you because your opinions are completely irrelevant, then.

[tn5421]

Alright, I actually don't agree with Aegor here. Elyse and NS helped, but ultimately it was my decision to claim. I don't understand why Josh would claim. That's not anyone's fault but his own.

It's easy to know why I claimed.
Gameplay says that he and Aero are on a hidden team and there is one more person on the team with them.
We already know that Aero is a PR.
NotSci claims that the PR is Role Blocker,
Gameplay seems upset that Aero's role is outed, and doesn't deny the RB claim.

I am actually a Role Blocker- This is a two for one special, even if I die in the night, and the third member isn't identified, we have two known scums, that can be vigged or PL'd in succession.

I wish we didn't have to trade Town PRs for them though.

[tn5421]

Note: If you want me to be nice to you in game, start doing protown things like

not outing several town PRs

and

not lying about things that you have said previously

.

Alternatively, if you want me to be nice, talk to me outside of game.

[tn5421]

I still don't understand what I'm lying about and why tn isn't voting me.

High Priority > Titus > NotScience > Elyse / Tree > Texcat > Low Priority

[tn5421]

I still don't understand what I'm lying about and why tn isn't voting me.

High Priority > Titus > NotScience > Elyse / Tree > Texcat > Low Priority

You're really making it hard to go Village People on Elyse with your nonsense. You've completely forgotten about Okra, your alleged scumread to push me because I voted someone due to a shit claim.

Seriously, voting the fake GS is a fucking towntell. Scum would shoot it or roleblock it.

OkaPoka is down with Texcat in priority. He doesn't really matter in the big scheme of things right now.

@Mirhawk: forgot to do the @mention. These posts were made at 3:30am local time, when I was pretty distracted IRL by drunk roommates

[tn5421]

@Aero You quoted it lol.

Did you breadcrumb anywhere or?

There is five people in the neighborhood. I don't think that information hurts us in any way, so there's no reason for me not to share it.

Five player neighborhood??? This shit is almost laughable.

If you are one of more than four Neighbors, it is nearly certain that at least one representative of every anti-town faction is in the Neighborhood.

I'll bestow conftown status to the person who outs all five people in the neighborhood.

[tn5421]

Hey, for the sake of my own sanity can you clarify this...

because wake edited that phrase into the wiki once this setup was approved

ok

The edit history doesn't support that. It was last revised January 4th, 2014 by Toomai. Prior to that, the last revision was October 9, 2011.

[tn5421]

btw Titus

I've figured out you're town

Which is going to make you scumread me more

And I've also flopped my Elyse read

But that'll also make you scumread me more

But if we're going to ML me can we at least push it up to today?

Unsure if serious...

[tn5421]

No :/ feel free to investigate.

An investigator would naturally be a CC to you. So why are you telling me to "feel free to investigate" if you are the investigator? Hmm... you're paranoid and I've got you because you've seen what I've been doing. :-p Confess rolecop.

Don't you think you're making too many assumptions here?

[tn5421]

No :/ feel free to investigate.

An investigator would naturally be a CC to you. So why are you telling me to "feel free to investigate" if you are the investigator? Hmm... you're paranoid and I've got you because you've seen what I've been doing. :-p Confess rolecop.

Don't you think you're making too many assumptions here?

List them.

1) An investigator would be a CounterClaim.
2) Investigators can't work together
3) You assume Aero is scum. If you're town this is confbias.
4) (probably a joke) You assume he will actually confess.
5) You assume Aero is simply paranoid, see #2 and #3 to see that it is you that is paranoid.

[tn5421]

Uh, no. Unless we are all holding idiot balls and assuming that mods are somehow incapable of conceptualizing an all-town neighborhood.

In a game I recently played with Wake!Mod, there were 6 (4-player) neighborhoods and 4 scum players. The distribution ended up as (4 neighborhoods with 1 scum, 2 completely town neighborhoods). If you don't believe me, ask wake about USMB#3.

[tn5421]

jesus christ notscience I've already had to tell reinoe that that's not always right especially in a multineighborhood game with multiple chances for the mod to try out an all town neighborhood, don't tell me you believe in that shit too

post-edit IT DOES NOT MATTER. if the full neighborhood is revealed, what are you going to do, lynch through it until you possibly have a higher chance of hitting scum? No. no. No.

this whole discussion is just potentially hugely incorrect setup speculation that is not only distracting from scumhunting but can lead to a string of methodical mislynches that have little to do with actual scumreads.

Tree gets some towncred for this post, as impossible as I thought that to be earlier. Keep it up and you might earn your way out of my lynchpool altogether.

~~~~

@Shaddowez and Gameplay

What do you think about TN?

Um gotta read Tn but not now

iom heartbroken >~<

~~~~

Aero I have one question. Why did you softclaim in the first place?

Because maybe I didn't want every single person to know my role right then, but I needed the town to know it enough not to lynch me and make me useless to the town. If I just layed down and let you lynch me, then I'd be hurting the town's chances of winning quite a bit.

Wait, you wanted to hint at PR so that town doesn't lynch you because that is obviously bad for town, but you were willing to accept your lynch if tree flipped scum?

That does not compute at all.

Continuing my time warp, but you are now my top suspect.

I read it as "I'm so certain that Tree is scum that if I'm wrong, I deserve to be removed from the game"

[tn5421]

No it reads as "I'm so sure tree is town that if I'm wrong I deserve to be removed from the game." This is coupled with a vote on tree. Do you understand why that doesn't make sense?

You wonder why I'm calling you a liar.

And yet you do shit like this.

[tn5421]

are you gonna push for her lynch

If she keeps this up, yes.

[tn5421]

Can I have some?

Got enough money?

[tn5421]

Town:
Aero, Gameplay, Alina, Tree (is rapidly becoming one, even if I still think he's a bit negative utility based on previous actions), PeregrineV (leaning town)

[tn5421]

See 1846 on why my read on Tree changed.

[tn5421]

@shadowez: only just realized you asked me about titus/ns/elyse, it's because elyse only started striking my as scummy in the last page or two at most, after i made my list.

[tn5421]

Well, since you people have made it glaringly obvious, yea. Thank you, role fish.

Can we lynch tree now?

Tree's trying though. He's helping town more than Oka, because Oka won't give an opinion.

P-edit:

This is the latest read i can find from Aero on tree.

[tn5421]

???

Wouldn't Aero's opinion at the time he made the 1-1 comment be more important then his stance now?

Also, this more or less contradicts the point you were making as Aero clearly isn't calling Tree scum in that post.

I did an iso and searched for "tree" then posted the last one that actually had Aero posting about him than someone quoting.

I''m pretty sure what i said was that Aero didn't call tree "town", which he didn't. He said tree was making effort.

It was addressed at everyone.

[tn5421]

Specifically: "Tree's trying though. He's helping town more than Oka"

[tn5421]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tn

You are arguing lies to make me look worse and refusing to explain anything.

Where am I lying? Or are you too scared to post your proof and have it refuted?

[tn5421]

@TN
What exactly is Elyse lying about and why is it important?

Because not only am I not sure what you're saying she's lying about, I have no idea as to why I should care.

pedit

I''m pretty sure what i said was that Aero didn't call tree "town", which he didn't. He said tree was making effort.

I read it as "I'm so certain that Tree is scum that if I'm wrong, I deserve to be removed from the game"

The second is in reference to a specific post.

1821, in reply to 1698 specifically:

Wait, you wanted to hint at PR so that town doesn't lynch you because that is obviously bad for town, but you were willing to accept your lynch if tree flipped scum?

I read it as "I'm so certain that Tree is scum that if I'm wrong, I deserve to be removed from the game"

At least you made a decent effort to misconstrue my quotes.

[tn5421]

You are saying that I'm wrong in my assessment of Aero's read on tree during the 1-1 situation when YOU are! You're using his most recent read, which is irrelevant.

Speaking of scared to show proof of lying, I've asked you several times and you've come up with nothing. Can you cough something up or should we lynch you?

Once again you refuse to show any proof whatsoever that I am lying. You clearly have no argument except for AtE, otherwise you would have presented it by now

[tn5421]

Aero, I'm a male.

Why do people think I'm a girl?

[tn5421]

Did you even read those quotes before you posted them?

Aero is talking about his softclaim being used to defuse the wagon on him.

And if your post was in response to royals 1821 then you seem to be suggesting that Aero was so certain Tree was scum that he was going to... lynch himself for catching scum?

No, accept the day2 wagon/probable lynch for being wrong about it.

[tn5421]

You are saying that I'm wrong in my assessment of Aero's read on tree during the 1-1 situation when YOU are! You're using his most recent read, which is irrelevant.

Speaking of scared to show proof of lying, I've asked you several times and you've come up with nothing. Can you cough something up or should we lynch you?

Once again you refuse to show any proof whatsoever that I am lying. You clearly have no argument except for AtE, otherwise you would have presented it by now

...I just did.

Is English your first language?

Read 1877 and then get back to me.

[tn5421]

No what?

No you didn't read them?

No, you are wrong.

If you want more of an answer than that, stop asking leading questions.

[tn5421]

No it reads as "I'm so sure tree is

town

that if I'm wrong I deserve to be removed from the game." This is coupled with a vote on tree. Do you understand why that doesn't make sense?

You wonder why I'm calling you a liar.

And yet you do shit like this.

That's clearly not what he meant on that post.

[tn5421]

...yes it is. He said "I will laugh and accept my lynch if tree flips scum."

What else could that mean?

In the context he said it in, it means he's gambling his life away based on tree flipping scum, and that he'd offer himself up for lynch if he were wrong.

[tn5421]

Aw gee princess I didn't realize I was being unfair.

Let me rephrase that.

What exactly is Elyse lying about and why is it important?

Because not only am I not sure what you're saying she's lying about, I have no idea as to why I should care.

She's trying to skew the words of others. Take it as you will.

[tn5421]

...yes it is. He said "I will laugh and accept my lynch if tree flips scum."

What else could that mean?

Elyse, if I remember correctly, you said you thought this was a joke a few posts ago. Now you think it's serious again?

@Okapoka, why exactly do YOU think tree is scum? It's easy to say "Why isn't tree dead yet"

I know it's a joke.

tn is arguing that you were scumreading tree when you said this and I'm saying that you weren't.

Can you clear that up yourself? Tn is saying I'm lying when I'm actually not and he is.

Yea, I thought Tree was town at that point. I was voting him as a policy lynch. Elyse is being truthful, TN.

It looked to me like she said you were townreading him when you said that...my bad if that isn't so.

My posts just aren't long enough thats what she said but I don't want to wall either....

[tn5421]

I will discuss other ppl tree. I will not move my vote.

Can we lynch obvscum Aero now?

No.

[tn5421]

He's not obvscum to anyone but you, who is suspect at best.

[tn5421]

He may not be the droids you are looking for.

Large Normal allows for 2 nonstandard roles I believe.

There is a possibility that you're wrong.

What will you do if you are?

[tn5421]

Um what?

Aren't gunsmiths town aligned

? Also this sounds really reckless.
.

This is exactly what I was worried about. Gameplay is treating the neighborhood like a masonry.

Setup
This game has a Day start.
This is a Closed Setup. Players won't know exactly what PRs are at play, if any.
There may be duplicate roles, and they can be either Town or Scum.
Scum do not have Daytalk. They may scheme in their QT thread at Night.
There may be a Neighborhood, or multiple Neighborhoods.
Roleblockers cannot be roleblocked.

Any role may be Town or Scum.

Mod is NOT infallible. If you suspect a mistake, please let me know via PM right away.
Should a Neighborhood be reduced down to one player, that QT link will be locked immediately, and remain hidden until game's end.
If a 1-Shot ability is used, and that player is roleblocked, he or she will have used up the shot.

Hey reinoe, wanna be masons? :3

[tn5421]

Gameplay you need to get over yourself.

Tn is spewing absolute bullshit and has flat out ignored multiple questions asked of him. He's stalling scum who can't come up with a reason to back up what he's saying.

Except I've already answered every single question that has been thrown at me, so why don't you backpedal more unless you have some fucking proof. Something that I've noticed every single one of your posts are extremely short on. All allegations, 0% proof.

So why don't you just trot along and let the big boys play mafia?

[tn5421]

oh now there's a misogynistic aspect to it

"big boys"

>implying that i made a "gb2kitchen" reference

It's not sexism, it's ageism.

[tn5421]

Same with you.

You can argue that what I've been doing isn't good, but you can't argue I've been doing nothing. Come on now, Oka. You're scum, aren't you?

Gameplay you need to get over yourself.

Tn is spewing absolute bullshit and has flat out ignored multiple questions asked of him. He's stalling scum who can't come up with a reason to back up what he's saying.

Except I've already answered every single question that has been thrown at me, so why don't you backpedal more unless you have some fucking proof. Something that I've noticed every single one of your posts are extremely short on. All allegations, 0% proof.

So why don't you just trot along and let the big boys play mafia?

You haven't, actually. Mirhawk has asked you several times what I'm lying about and why it's relevant, and all you say is "She's twisting words, take it as you will", which doesn't answer either question. I've given you proof over and over and you haven't given

anything

to back up your claims, yet you act like it's the other way around.

You're borderline delusional

, and I only say that because I can't explain your actions otherwise. I'm not even sure if you're scum anymore, or whether you're just unable to communicate normally.

"I'm intentionally letting myself get distracted so I can point at this later and say 'this is why i wasnt scumhunting'"

Once again you make a sweeping generalization and don't back it up with proof.
Oh, and stay classy. Ad Hominem attacks are all the rage. Since you aren't likely to understand what I'm talking about, I helpfully bolded it for you.

[tn5421]

"big boys" is an inherently sexist phrase especially in the context of how you were saying it to elyse
there's an existing implication that you view the recipient as a little girl, with the further implication that it makes them weak and unsuited to dealing with the situation
and just because a term has been used often in the past doesn't make it any less bad

You're incorrectly assigning genders to something here.

I understand that's inherently scummy.

[tn5421]

He may not be the droids you are looking for.

Large Normal allows for 2 nonstandard roles I believe.

There is a possibility that you're wrong.

What will you do if you are?

Yuck...more claims.

I'm not claiming anything. Just trying to stop Titus from death tunneling a pr we can check the results of.

[tn5421]

Can someone give me a reason why Aeronaut is not getting votes?

Because lynching an uncc-d investigative role day one is roughly as idiotic as my general play has been over the past 5-10 pages or so.

[tn5421]

you seem to be

vacillating

are we lynching him because it's not possible to confirm him or because he's obvious scum

I apologize for this non-game-post but I've never encountered this word before.

Is this definition I found via google correct?

vac·il·late
ˈvasəˌlāt
verb
gerund or present participle: vacillating
alternate or waver between different opinions or actions; be indecisive.

[tn5421]

Alright, since I'd rather see Aero lynched D2 than D1, I'm pretty sure I know where I want my vote to lie:

VOTE: notscience

He is posting a

lot

(he has almost 250 posts), but is posting almost no content. That's just about 10 pages of worthless nonsense. A good portion of his posts are one liners, and a decent number of them are just emoticons (which he admits in Post #1591). He's trying to appear active in the game without doing much, and his votes have either been purely sheeping or on the Aero wagon. His sheep vote is even on someone he believes to be town just to get help lynching someone he believes to be scum on another day, which if he is town is against wincon.

His first dozen posts are useless, randomly reading people as town for BS reasons. I understand this is RVS, but just adds in to what becomes random posting for no reason.
Post #231 - Naked vote on tree
A bunch more posts of absolutely no content, except to admit he's just sheeping Majiffy
Posts Post #715 - Post #721 have slightly useful info as they provide his reads on a few people, but with no content to back them up.
More useless posts, and then moved his vote back to Tree, who he admittedly thinks is town, just to get Majiffy to help get a lynch on D2.

I told you I have my own opinions

None of which have been thoroughly expressed as of yet.

Yes shit

I'm about to explain why my reads are better than everyone rlses

I mean give a readslist

(I really mean the former)

Readslist finally came almost 100 posts later with no evidence to back up his reads on most people.

Post #1140 actually includes some content and reasoning, but it's the first in over 100 posts to really do so, and is also after the Aero wagon was already rolling.
Post #1253 has some more content against Aero. I'm still of the Aero is most likely scum mindset, so this may actually seem to be more meaningful than it actually is because of that.

Basically nothing but fluff posts since that.

I agree with a large portion of this post. (as its perfectly fine to bs for bs reasons in rvs)
Texcat just scumslipped though, so I'll revisit this d2.

I have struggled reading all of the posts and I believe Titus when she says (over and over and over again) that she

knows

that Aero is going to flip scum. If I find out that she lied about knowing, my next vote will be easy.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Are we just reeling in the scum or what?

I have struggled reading all of the posts and I believe Titus when she says (over and over and over again) that she

knows

that Aero is going to flip scum. If I find out that she lied about knowing, my next vote will be easy.

VOTE: Aeronaut

The above post is really fucking scummy.

Phone post.

I agree with this. People use

know

all the time in mafia, especially when it's based on gut. Considering it's D1 and the setup said it was a daystart, unless he's assuming Titus has a day role there's no way for her to absolutely

know

.

VOTE: Texcat

K marquis

it's your funeral

Tree is Marquis?
Oh fucking shit.

I have other scumreads but I do not know they are scum.

wat
Titus.
No.

[tn5421]

Good Job at being town Texcat. I'll vote for any of those three if we can get a consensus.

If you really think anyone is going for this after texcat's major scumslip you're gonna have a bad time.

[tn5421]

I have struggled reading all of the posts and I believe Titus when she says (over and over and over again) that she

knows

that Aero is going to flip scum. If I find out that she lied about knowing, my next vote will be easy.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Faulty information, he's trying to pretend that Titus has a guilty on Aero despite it still being day one. He has 16 total posts, so this is probably inattentive!scum

[tn5421]

It's hard to change as big as you have overnight. It is possible. Thst is why you weren't suspect numero uno.

If you really want a challenge try maintaining three different play styles in three different games.

I'm a little concerned at the lack of resistance to the texcat wagon, although josh did have that clumsy "thanks for making yourself look town" comment.

Tree's been getting hard defended but I'm fairly certain he's scum. If he is then he's partners with aero but not Titus.

I'm not a fan of his play, but I haven't been doing much of anything either.

Mirhawk, Shaddowez, tn5421, and PeregrineV have been prodded.

Responding.

i will

vote oka

the case on texcat is simply not compelling, and how oka said "then I will claim" just came off as really disingenuous

>complains about nonstandard voting
>30 pages later votes in a nonstandard way
>Thanks for making it impossible to have automated vote counters.

[tn5421]

Why are all of my scumreads voting marquis (that doesn't include majiffy he's null for me)

[tn5421]

His out-of-place comment after texcat called someone scum on the flimsiest of reasons has me rather suspicious.

Context:

I think one scum team is Aero, Farside, and Tree.

I have stated my reasons for Aero being scum. And, yes, they were the same as Elyse's. Flipflopping on reads. And being aggressive under pressure. And if you are one who thinks that OMGUS voting is scummy, you could include that. I, personally, don't find it scummy. I am trusting Titus who says that Aero's roleclaim is BS. I don't think it makes sense for a scum Titus to trade herself for a town GS. I realize that scum would want a town GS dead, but they have other options that don't require giving up one of their own. And if there are really 2 scum teams, they might just hope that the other scum team took care of it.

Josh noticed that Farside and Tree claimed to know that the other one was town:

104 results it returned with. Farside defending tree as town in every post. That is a lot of fucks to give about someones alignment on D1.

What I found to be compelling evidence is the vote history:
We start with the Elyse dogging of RoyalApe and both Aero and Farside voted for her.
Then Tree moved into the lead, and Elyse and I had started the Aero wagon. Farside moved to me. Aero was briefly on Oka, but then moved to me.
At VC1.6 with Aero at 7 and Tree at 4, Aero moves to notscience, Farside moves to TN.
Then at 1.7 Aero has moved to Oka.
At 1.8, after the claim, Farside moved back to me.

It looks like Aero is understandably searching for an alternate wagon. He moves his vote all over the place, except that he never moves it to Tree. And it looks like Farside is doing the same thing. Even if I thought Tree was town, if it were down to me or her, I'd vote for her. Aero was in that position and didn't vote for Tree, choosing to claim instead.

Good Job at being town Texcat. I'll vote for any of those three if we can get a consensus.

[tn5421]

This game is completely insane.

I'm pretty sure I'm voting texcat but lets be sure

VOTE: texcat

[tn5421]

I'm vigging anyone who calls him texcat from now.

texrat must die

[tn5421]

CAN WE NOT LYNCH TODAY

2. zMuffinMan farside22
3. Majiffy
6. alina
7. mirhawk*
9. AERONAUT
10. notscience
11. Aegor
14. tn5421*
15. gameplay506
16. Marquis tree
18. Psyche
20. Elyse

I WAS INCLINED NOT TO LYNCH THIS EARLIER BUT NOW IT MIGHT BE OKAY

4. PeregrineV*
8. T S O
19. OkaPoka

I WANT IT DEAD I DON'T CARE ABOUT ALIGNMENT AT THIS POINT

1. Titus The Light
5. Reinoe

WHO? WHAT? LURKERS/INACTIVES PROBABLY, COMPROMISE BEFORE DEADLINE?

12. Shaddowez
13. RoyalApe*

TOTALLY OKAY WITH THESE TOP LYNCHES OH LOL OOPS THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON HERE

17. texcat
21. Josh_B

WHO? WHAT? LURKERS/INACTIVES PROBABLY, COMPROMISE BEFORE DEADLINE?
12. Shaddowez
13. RoyalApe*

TOTALLY OKAY WITH THESE TOP LYNCHES OH LOL OOPS THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON HERE
17. texcat
21. Josh_B

DEADLINE! QUICK,

TAKE YOUR PICK

top of page.

take this and run, we have < 24 left.

What are the stars for?

[tn5421]

FYI, the maximum characters in a post is 200,000.

......is there any special reason that you know that?

[tn5421]

VOTE: Aeronaut

[tn5421]

If Titus isn't telling the truth, she dies tomorrow.

[tn5421]

Fuck, I should iso Josh_B at some point to see if he crumbed anything.

[tn5421]

Ready to crucify some scum. You?

[tn5421]

shaddow is scum for pushing me mainly. I have a huge bias since I know I am town. And doc.

Wasn't serious...

lol wat

[tn5421]

VOTE: OkaPoka

You're full of it.

[tn5421]

That's fine, when I die majiffy is confscum since I'm not.

[tn5421]

Either he dies or I die.

I'm not letting go of this.

[tn5421]

I'm sorry, I wasn't addressing you either. I was addressing the town.

[tn5421]

OkaPoka is sad.

OkaPoka is angry.

OkaPoka is disappointed at this town.

Null is pretty sketchy to me. If you ain't town you sketchy to me

AtE more please.

and people are just leaving him alive because he claimed doctor

I know right? He's a doctor who contemplated claiming a cop to draw the bullet. Yep. That's what a town doctor does dontcha know?

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
WHEN EVEN REINOE TELLS YOU THAT YOUR GAMBIT IS STUPID.
YOU SHOULD LISTEN AND MAYBE LET THAT SINK IN

REINOE, GOD OF STUPID GAMBITS, IS TELLING YOU THAT A GAMBIT IS TOO STUPID.

LET! THAT! SINK! IN!

You guys realize practically no one has commented on

a) the fact I can clear/confirm this alleged doctor.
b) Shadowez has basically dropped off the face of the earth right now.


Just saying...

if y'all are hellbent on lynching town, you're doing it without me. I'll no lynch before I vote Oka.

I DONT CARE.
YOU CAN EITHER LYNCH OKA OR YOU CAN LYNCH ME.

[tn5421]

The neighborhood is gameplay/aeronaut/royalape/tn5421

[tn5421]

I don't have any strong feelings on the Peregrine wagon one way or another. I'd hammer it only if doing so would prevent a no-lynch.

no, i agree with part of that

tn is one of those scumreads that's sitting there but i'm not touching because there are shinier things to look at

maybe tomorrow or the day after, but it's not a priority

If you're scumreading me put your vote where your posts are, otherwise direct questions or shut up.

[tn5421]

Nobody reads posts, we all just blindly post accusations at one another until we get a magical consensus and lynch someone. Everything else is randomly generated, like nightkills, and the mod is the only scum.

[tn5421]

Him being arrowed by PotM is advised.

[tn5421]

you guys are going on some weird tangent or something.

[tn5421]

No. Oka needs to die.

[tn5421]

WotM is Wistom of the Mod, an analogue to WotC (Wisdom of the Crowd)

I immediately responded with a Dota joke (PotM -> Priestess of the Moon -> Mirana)

[tn5421]

Havent read several pages. Not intending to do so.

^5

I don't like it when people explicitly say so, because they generally use it as a wall to defend themselves with.

[tn5421]

Raymoo is gettin shit done.

[tn5421]

Even the mod is trolling...

[tn5421]

Do you always flood 5+ posts in a row PV?

[tn5421]

gameplay is scum for not reading

[tn5421]

I don't think PV realizes that I've thought Titus was scummy all game.

[tn5421]

my mind has glazed over.

[tn5421]

I'm actually getting a bit suspicious of Alina, surprisingly enough.

[tn5421]

I'm happy with my vote, thanks.

[tn5421]

preferred lynches:

pv (probably the scum in our hood, seemed too informed about gamestate / nothing here and trying to collect townreads in our hood / earlier trying not to narrow down our hood until i pushed on him)
tn (feeling the scum meta, similarly to recent open whatevernumber that feirei+caled just modded)

mirhawk place your vote on pv because they're prob a scumteam anyway

open 569

and lol

[tn5421]

So yeah went back and reread Aero.

Several things stick out to me.
-All of Aero's posts regarding TN are conversational, rather then inquisitive. This isn't really a trend I noticed with anyone else. This may be due to them being in a neighborhood however. More then once he posts solely for the purpose of ridiculing votes on TN.
-Aero claimed there were five people in his neighborhood. Neither he nor the other people in his neighborhood ever corrected this. This may be because his teammates were lurkers/not reading the game/not in the neighborhood though.
-Notscience is unlikely to be on a team with Aero. Same with Oka.
-Aero's choice to investigate Titus was odd. Why would a fakeclaimed gunsmith investigate the only person in the game likely to actually have a gun. Who he was going to claim to investigate would have been discussed by the scumteam overnight, so why Titus.
-Aero had tons of interaction with Tree's wagon. But despite that, his incessant flipping back and forth on his opinions makes it impossible to determine where he actually stood.
-Aero's meltdown during his argument with notscience makes me think that he was frustrated that his teammates weren't of much help. He flat out states that he's "Tired of being the scum in charge of the game".

Another thing that occurred to me a while ago is that neighbor status isn't revealed upon flip. It's fairly unlikely that scum took advantage of this, as GP and Aero had claimed neighborhood status before we even learned this. I don't think it's relevant, but there's no harm in pointing it out.

---

The people voting me should probably READ MY ISO or something to try and determine if I'm town or not. That would be real cool.

---

Aero doesn't really say anything to Peregrine that he doesn't say to at least a couple other people, so there's nothing to go on in regards to that.

Peregrine is an okay lynch i guess. But I would hardly call it good.

Vote: TN

I'm going to reread Peregrine.

I had a townread on aero for some time, it makes sense that he whiteknighted me in order to keep me townreading him i guess.
I didn't want to out that I was in his neighborhood at the time, but we only have 4 people that should be in the neighborhood (but royalape seems to be posting in the hood still, so it really is 5 now)

[tn5421]

@TN
I was under the impression the neighborhood was TN / Aero / Gameplay / Royalape.

Who's the fifth person?

RoyalApe was replaced by Skybird but RoyalApe doesn't get the picture and posted in the QT post-replace. Therefore, technically 5.

[tn5421]

Read up on TN. Here's the lowdown.

-Despite pushing multiple policy lynches for gambits, never batted an eye when

reinoe

faked a daykill.

There's your answer.

[tn5421]

that was tree/marquis who faked a daykill, and I know because I specifically remember bringing this up directly to tn and he ignored it. Mirhawk's post is a typo.

Whoops yeah, I had the player and the action wrong.

It was TSO, and he claimed he could stop Gameplay from posting.

Trying to policy him would require :effort: though.

....ehh fuckit its not like im doing anything useful

VOTE: TSO

Either make gameplay stop posting or eat some votes.

[tn5421]

@PV: Why did you color aeronaut green in the second votecount (1.19)?

[tn5421]

there's no way tn isn't faking his ignorance here.

excuse u?

ive read like 2 tn posts and they were town posts

ok, i'll bite

I'm not even townreading me at this point, can you cite some examples?

[tn5421]

I'm a neighborhood VT.

[tn5421]

Sorry for low-efforting this game.

Go town, screw scum!

[tn5421]

tl;dr a bigger, badder usmb#5

[tn5421]

It'll be Semi-Open.

I won't reveal any roles or abilities, but will disclose the very basic structure.

01)

If 28 players, 16:4:4:4 (If 29+, it will go towards Town)

02)

Strictly Nightless

03)

Elemental Mafia

04)

Mafia Factions cannot kill one another. NKs by one factional onto another turns into an elemental "Guilty" instead.

05)

Neighborhoods. Neighborhoods everywhere.

06)

Scum have Daytalk.

07)

Every single PR will be given a personalized PT.

08)

There will be no Day extensions. If there is a wagon tie, the player that got there first is lynched.

09)

Scum in their PT and each PR in their PT will be able to put down who they want to target within those threads, and will be enacted once Day X turns to Day Y. They can choose to change their minds, do nothing, or cancel an action and state they'll do nothing. This saves the hassle up sending me PMs in a hurried manner. These guys can take all the time making up their minds as the Day progresses. Energy and time efficient.

10)

Role Madness, befitting a series dubbed 'Swirling Chaos'.

11)

There will be abilities that activate only once per game, and only during the Day. They will create chaos.

12)

No Cults, Jesters, or Bastard elements.

13)

Game's gonna be themed on

Fire

,

Ice

, and

Lightning

.

These are the bare bones of the structure.

How would one pre-in for this? I would like to.

[tn5421]

That's just how he is, Wake.

One of the first things he does to test a setup is to try to break it in the worst way possible.

I don't believe this is exclusive to you.