NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)

[TheDudeAbides]

Nero Cain is scum.

Vote: Nero Cain

[TheDudeAbides]

Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm buddies with someone I don't know

I'd love to know why you said this, I mean it's a piece of information that I simply don't have access to.

[TheDudeAbides]

I had planned on Bus'ing him much later, but he just wouldn't leave well enough alone. He forced my hand.

so the two of you are scum? Odd admission this early in the game.

That's certainly one way to read that post.

What are your thoughts on him {pen}?

not sure yet. The fact that he starts off showing he didn't bother to see who is playing and the omgused in the next post dont exactly scream town to me. But it's still too early for me to get a feel on whether I think he is scum.

Vote: Dragon Spawn

[TheDudeAbides]

Nooo I wanted to be scum with dragon spawn

Why him and not Nero? Nero would have made more sense in context.

[TheDudeAbides]

VOTE: Nero cain
Lurking is suspicious.

Yes, Nero Cain is probably scum too.

[TheDudeAbides]

Dragonspawn is the only townie here apparently.

Oh God, no.

Even tho it took him 2 guesses?

I thought it was a typo.

Typos are used by scum as excuses for flips.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: abr

I'm just going to assume that you are scum with Nero.

[TheDudeAbides]

Reinoe where's your vote?

[TheDudeAbides]

VOTE: peacebringer

How 'bout that policy vote everyone ignored.

I'm letting it ferment.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm buddies with someone I don't know

I'd love to know why you said this, I mean it's a piece of information that I simply don't have access to.

if you don't know then you clearly can't read. But we both know you can since you managed to edit the post and cut off half the question as well as the request for you to produce some sort of reasoning for your accusation that I was buddying someone who I still haven't even seen a post from.

the question at this point is why go to the lengths of making an accusation, then editing the post asking you to back it up to try to incriminate me. It doesn't make any sense. It's also pretty darn scummy. But is that because you are scum o just completely insane and dishonest? I'm not sure yet. But you've definitely attracted my attention.

so would you please answer the original question of why you think I'm buddying Nero? I fugue the more you talk the easier it will be to determine your alignment.

I didn't accuse you of buddying Nero; I said buddies with Nero, and I said it because LOL RVS, and something you said made me think "hmmmmm"

[TheDudeAbides]

Nasty hack job?

Why do you think I voted for DS?

[TheDudeAbides]

I just ISO'd myself, and noohing I've said could possibly be described as a nasty hack job.

[TheDudeAbides]

ignoring someone's question isn't a hack job.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm voting Dragon Spawn mostly because of the -these things don't scream town to me, but not sure if scum- post. Doesn't scream town is mostly meaningless, and he's avoiding conflict by not saying that he finds those things, perhaps mildly, scummy, and if he doesn't want to suggest they are scummy, why tack on the not sure if scum part.

[TheDudeAbides]

ignoring someone's question isn't a hack job.

you were totally misreporting it through and dragonspawn is the towniest slot around besides myself .

Dragon spawn seemed to expect me to have information that I simply don't have. I did not misreport on that.
That's also the only interesting thing in his post.

[TheDudeAbides]

Explain how you think I misreported on anything?

[TheDudeAbides]

Also,

Nooo I wanted to be scum with dragon spawn

Why him and not Nero? Nero would have made more sense in context.

[TheDudeAbides]

There is no misrepresentation at all. He acted as though I should have known that he didn't know Nero and because of that know that he couldn't be buddies with Nero.

[TheDudeAbides]

Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.

I'm buddies with someone I don't know and hasn't posted yet? I'd love to see the reasoning

[TheDudeAbides]

tda another one of those types doesn't get humor. Well this will be fun :/ tda do you understand what fun is .

Where's the joke garmr?

[TheDudeAbides]

Cause it looks like you're taking this pretty seriously.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm worried that you don't know what the word "and" means.

[TheDudeAbides]

If he'd just said something about Nero not having posted yet, there wouldn't be a problem.

[TheDudeAbides]

Again, I ask, where's the joke Garmr?

[TheDudeAbides]

Vote: Garmr

[TheDudeAbides]

If he'd just said something about Nero not having posted yet, there wouldn't be a problem.

He did but you went out your way to misrepresent it.

This is simply nonsense. He didn't just say something about Nero not having posted yet.

[TheDudeAbides]

I got that was a joke. It would have made more sense with the wording for you to have said Nero Cain, rather than DS.

I have no idea what your first point is, but since you're scum trying to push a bs misrep case, I don't really care.

[TheDudeAbides]

You should probably just vote yourself.

[TheDudeAbides]

I think maybe you didn't read what I posted.

The point is exactly that he didn't just say something about Nero not having posted, but he also said something about not knowing Nero, that was the point.

[TheDudeAbides]

It's funny because you're attacking me for ignoring the second half of DS's post, but now you're attacking me by ignoring the first half of his post.

[TheDudeAbides]

I really don't know what to make of the nonsense coming from those two.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm pretty pissed at peacebringer for ignoring the argument when he posted.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm actually shocked that AA just ignored what I posted about his attack. It makes it pretty clear that his argument is nonsense.

[TheDudeAbides]

"It's just a weird scum read."

The issue is that it's a disingenuous argument from DS. I have no way of knowing who he knows.

It's also not the only reason why I eventually voted him.

[TheDudeAbides]

Garmr, I did:

I'm voting Dragon Spawn mostly because of the -these things don't scream town to me, but not sure if scum- post. Doesn't scream town is mostly meaningless, and he's avoiding conflict by not saying that he finds those things, perhaps mildly, scummy, and if he doesn't want to suggest they are scummy, why tack on the not sure if scum part.

[TheDudeAbides]

The point is that he doesn't say that he finds it scummy. He says doesn't scream town.

Despite being difficult, I think Garmr is trying to read me.

Unvote.
Vote: AA

Bullshit case, and trying to stifle discussion.

[TheDudeAbides]

I have not backtracked on a single thing regarding DS.

[TheDudeAbides]

The only way AA could think that I backtracked as he's accusing me of is if he forgot why he attacked me in the first place.

[TheDudeAbides]

LOL

[TheDudeAbides]

But at least Kid A is probably town.

[TheDudeAbides]

But at least Kid A is probably town.

Makes me want to lynch tda even more. It odds timing he said that after he was accused of omgusing everyone who voted him.

I also timed it after Kid A posted, so that's cute.
I think he voting because of some foolish belief that talking about one's self is scummy, and I think if he was scum, he would have made sure to say that rather than hang a vague vote on the wagon.

On the other hand, pacman pushing the wagon without voting gets a frowny face.

VOTE: TDA

Though I do find it very interesting that dragonspawn never called out TDA on his misrep and actually tried to argue it as a genuine case.

DGB hopping on the misrep is also yucky.

Since there is no misrep this is dumb. I in no way changed the meaning of dragonspawn's post.
The first part was the disingenuous part (where he talked about not knowing Nero Cain), the second part (where he talked about Nero Cain not posting) I don't have a problem with. The fact that the second part is there is irrelevant because of how the word "and" works.

VOTE: tda

I find quote editing scummy behavior so the best evidence we have so far is tda.

plus id like to see where this wagon goes.

I can assure you that quote editing is not scummy.

[TheDudeAbides]

So editing a quote to say something it doesn't mean isn't scummy?

That didn't happen.

[TheDudeAbides]

Flubber joins the list of people who don't know what and means.

[TheDudeAbides]

Do you think that he used the fact that he didn't know Nero as a reason for why he couldn't be buddies with Nero.

[TheDudeAbides]

So editing a quote to say something it doesn't mean isn't scummy?

That didn't happen.

so everyone is imagining that you cut a question in half, pulled it out of context as a response to accusation, made it a statement to try to make it look like I am claiming to buddy someone who hadn't posted at the time? I suppose all the votes for you based on this not happening aren't really there either?

if you really believe that nonsense there is no reasoning with you

I never said that you tried to buddy someone. You should probably try actually reading.

I want you to explain in detail, how I changed the meaning of your sentence. Because I don't think I did.

[TheDudeAbides]

Notice that it doesn't make a difference whether I cut the relevant bit out or not.

I'm buddies with someone I don't know

I'd love to know why you said this, I mean it's a piece of information that I simply don't have access to.

The part I was complaining about that I don't have access to the knowledge of him not knowing Nero is still an issue in the post in its entirety.

Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.

I'm buddies with someone I don't know and hasn't posted yet? I'd love to see the reasoning

[TheDudeAbides]

I didn't ask you, but is that a yes?

[TheDudeAbides]

So, it's pretty clearly a yes.

THEN WHY IN GOD'S NAME DID YOU SAY IT BECAUSE THAT'S A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT I SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. WHY SHOULD I CONSIDER IT WHEN DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT YOU BEING BUDDIES WITH NERO?

[TheDudeAbides]

So editing a quote to say something it doesn't mean isn't scummy?

That didn't happen.

so everyone is imagining that you cut a question in half, pulled it out of context as a response to accusation, made it a statement to try to make it look like I am claiming to buddy someone who hadn't posted at the time? I suppose all the votes for you based on this not happening aren't really there either?

if you really believe that nonsense there is no reasoning with you

I never said that you tried to buddy someone. You should probably try actually reading.

I want you to explain in detail, how I changed the meaning of your sentence. Because I don't think I did.

I seriously hope you aren't town because it annoys me to no end when we lose because our fellow townies insist on lying, especially for stupid reasons.

Quote the post where I said you were trying to buddy someone.

[TheDudeAbides]

So Dragonspawn is scum. He's avoiding answering my questions and the fact that he still thinks I was arguing that he was buddying Nero means that he hasn't read any of my posts.

[TheDudeAbides]

Dragon-scum
AA-scum who jumped to DS's defense.
Garmr-unwitting town.
Kid A-silly, but town
ABR-I don't know what he's doing.
Flubbernugget-if there are two scum groups, he's on the other, and if by some chance DS is town, then he could be scum, but I don't think they are scum together.

[TheDudeAbides]

Quote's or it didn't happen.

[TheDudeAbides]

Ugg

Quotes

[TheDudeAbides]

and Dragonspawn:

THEN WHY IN GOD'S NAME DID YOU SAY IT BECAUSE THAT'S A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT I SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. WHY SHOULD I CONSIDER IT WHEN DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT YOU BEING BUDDIES WITH NERO?

[TheDudeAbides]

the fact that you're trying to claim you didn't when anyone can look at the quote which causes me to ask you the question you edited tells me that you've got a serious problem being honest.

No Dragonspawn.
I have never once suggested that the problem with post is that it looks like you were buddying Nero.
It's true that if you just read the cut off part of it that it looks like that,
but that has never once been my point, and there is no way that you can be reading the thread and still think that.

because I gave you that information in the response you edited

No you didn't. Not even close. You continued on to say that Nero hasn't posted yet, and that you would love to know my reasoning. That in no way answers my questions.

[TheDudeAbides]

not sure what else I can say to someone who will pathologically lie so much. I could say it's night time and you'd say it was noon.

Quotes or it didn't happen.

this is apparently TDA not claiming that I am buddying nero.

Saying that you are someone's buddy is not the same as saying that you are buddying someone.
Saying you are someone's buddy suggests that you are scum with them.
Saying that you are buddying someone is saying that you are ingratiating yourself with them.

@ tda

I'm buddies with someone I don't know comes across as a statement (him stating a fact)
I'm buddies with someone I don't know? comes across as a question (him asking/challenging)

You lost the question mark which kind of changed the context, a simple mistake but a careless one. Thinking about it people are probably making more of an issue over it than was intended.

I don't understand your point. If he'd said the first thing, I'd have said that is bullshit since it's nonsense. What he did say was the second thing, and I questioned why he would expect me to consider that, since it's information that I simply can't be expected to know. I have always addressed this matter in the context of the second interpretation, which I think is the accurate one.

[TheDudeAbides]

Dragonspawn, if you are confusing buddying with buddies with, you should probably replace out of this game.

[TheDudeAbides]

Dragonspawn, if you are confusing buddying with buddies with, you should probably replace out of this game.

Even when he confused buddying with buddies his arguments still make a lot more sense than anything I ever seen you produce.

You're a clown.

[TheDudeAbides]

Dragonspawn, if you are confusing buddying with buddies with, you should probably replace out of this game.

claiming I am confusing something to backtrack is pretty scummy. I know what buddying is. Which is why I also know it's impossible to buddy someone I don't know and who hasn't posted. See, in order to buddy someone in this game, you need to have some sort of interaction. At this point I still don't have any interactions with Nero. And as I pointed out didn't even know him on page one where you made yo. Claim and started us down this rabbit hole.

Since I've never accused you of buddying, it's not backtracking.

[TheDudeAbides]

Flubber joins the list of people who don't know what and means.

I didn't realize you could read my mind so tell me why I'm scumreading you?

From the context, it seems that you thinkI misrepped DS, I'd assumed over him saying (to paraphrase) "I don't know Nero, and Nero hasn't posted, so how could I be buddies with him" and me ignoring the second part off the sentence while focussing on the first.

But now that there's this buddies-buddying thing, it could be that. If it's that though, it still means you can't read.

[TheDudeAbides]

Neither.

[TheDudeAbides]

and if someone is going to repeatedly attack me by pretending that I'm arguing something that I didn't, I'm absolutely going to yell at them.

[TheDudeAbides]

You disgust me.

[TheDudeAbides]

You disgust me.

funny, you don't seem to like it when others do I, but you didn't have any problems doing it earlier.

again who do you think your fooling. It's not like anyone hasn't read the first page or the times you've been quoted by now.

I don't believe that you could possibly think that what I did is in any way comparable to Garmr making snarky non-game related comments.

Vote: Dragon Spawn

[TheDudeAbides]

That's not semantics. It's DS pushing an unbelievable argument.

[TheDudeAbides]

My 255 that is.

[TheDudeAbides]

Hey Flubber, now is the time for you to be saying why you are voting me.

[TheDudeAbides]

I have. I've also done more than a substantial number of people on the player list, so if that's your criteria, you certainly shouldn't be voting for me.

[TheDudeAbides]

Nooo I wanted to be scum with dragon spawn

Why him and not Nero? Nero would have made more sense in context.

VOTE: Nero cain
Lurking is suspicious.

Yes, Nero Cain is probably scum too.

Dragonspawn is the only townie here apparently.

Oh God, no.

Even tho it took him 2 guesses?

I thought it was a typo.

Typos are used by scum as excuses for flips.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: abr

I'm just going to assume that you are scum with Nero.

Reinoe where's your vote?

VOTE: peacebringer

How 'bout that policy vote everyone ignored.

I'm letting it ferment.

tda another one of those types doesn't get humor. Well this will be fun :/ tda do you understand what fun is .

Where's the joke garmr?

I'm actually shocked that AA just ignored what I posted about his attack. It makes it pretty clear that his argument is nonsense.

Its not proportional to your DS interactions.

I read a tda post and I'm just like "why is he still on this shit"

Because people are voting me for a fucking bullshit reason, and at least two them are really good bets for scum.

[TheDudeAbides]

Garmr, quote where I misrepresented anything.

[TheDudeAbides]

If you don't want to lynch me, why did you ask me to claim?

[TheDudeAbides]

Claim and started us down this rabbit hole.

[TheDudeAbides]

That's not semantics. It's DS pushing an unbelievable argument.

and what argument is that? That you said what you said? That you have a double standard for complaining about game doing what you did?

because id you haven't noticed I haven't been arguing to lynch you. I've been asking questions and responding to yours to give yourself more time to talk. And you are hanging ourself

"and what argument is that?"

See this post and the preceding:

You disgust me.

funny, you don't seem to like it when others do I, but you didn't have any problems doing it earlier.

again who do you think your fooling. It's not like anyone hasn't read the first page or the times you've been quoted by now.

I don't believe that you could possibly think that what I did is in any way comparable to Garmr making snarky non-game related comments.

Vote: Dragon Spawn

"I've been asking questions and responding to yours to give yourself more time to talk."

If you want to argue that you've been responding to questions you can start with:

and Dragonspawn:

THEN WHY IN GOD'S NAME DID YOU SAY IT BECAUSE THAT'S A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT I SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. WHY SHOULD I CONSIDER IT WHEN DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT YOU BEING BUDDIES WITH NERO?

You can also quote where I interpreted your post as you buddying with Nero.

[TheDudeAbides]

Dude- If you legit felt that this was a request for an L-4 Claim, why did you not discuss it for 3 pages?

Because I thought it was bullshit.

[TheDudeAbides]

Reading it carefully, I no longer think that it was him asking me to claim. I just saw the "Claim and started us down this rabbit hole" sentence and read it as "Claim and start us down this rabbit hole."

[TheDudeAbides]

At what point {L-?} do you feel it's not scummy to request a RoleClaim?

I don't actually think that requesting a claim is scummy at any particular L-?. It depends on the circumstances.

[TheDudeAbides]

I didn't say I didn't want to lynch you. I said I wasn't arguing for it.

This is quite disingenuous.

[TheDudeAbides]

I mean what the fuck is calling someone scum then?
Not arguing for their lynch, just good ol' scum that we're happy to have around.

[TheDudeAbides]

No, I'm referring to how I read it when I first saw. I saw garbage and a last sentence saying "Claim and started us down this rabbit hole."

[TheDudeAbides]

So your just ignoring his posts claiming them as garbage

I have not ignored his posts.
I did misread the "Claim . . . " one. That was this morning, and I should have read it more carefully later.
When he's been mistaking "buddies with" and buddying a lot of what he's said has been garbage, and when I've never said that he's done the former and he decides to accuse me of backtracking, that's garbage too.

picking key words in your push against him with out using them in context.

When I've been talking about his posts with the intended meaning, I don't think there should be a problem.

Do you honestly think your going to gain any sort of traction on a wagon with such lazy and dishonest means.

Well, considering the way my wagons grown, lazy seems to work, I also think that the only time I could be accused of being dishonest is about the "Claim. . . " post, and what can I say, that was a mistake.

[TheDudeAbides]

Also d3x is probably town.

[TheDudeAbides]

So your just ignoring his posts claiming them as garbage

I have not ignored his posts.
I did misread the "Claim . . . " one. That was this morning, and I should have read it more carefully later.
When he's been mistaking "buddies with" and buddying a lot of what he's said has been garbage, and when I've never said that he's done the former and he decides to accuse me of backtracking, that's garbage too.

picking key words in your push against him with out using them in context.

When I've been talking about his posts with the intended meaning, I don't think there should be a problem.

Do you honestly think your going to gain any sort of traction on a wagon with such lazy and dishonest means.

Well, considering the way my wagons grown, lazy seems to work, I also think that the only time I could be accused of being dishonest is about the "Claim. . . " post, and what can I say, that was a mistake.

No, I'm referring to how I read it when I first saw. I saw garbage and a last sentence saying "Claim and started us down this rabbit hole."

This shows you not even bothered about reading his posts in context and are picking out key words. correctly showing you only care about the lynch and not his content.

I never used that against him until he tried to argue that he wasn't pushing for my lynch. As soon as I realized that's not what he said, I backed down.

Also this is bs

Flubber joins the list of people who don't know what and means.

I didn't realize you could read my mind so tell me why I'm scumreading you?

From the context, it seems that you thinkI misrepped DS, I'd assumed over him saying (to paraphrase) "I don't know Nero, and Nero hasn't posted, so how could I be buddies with him" and me ignoring the second part off the sentence while focussing on the first.

But now that there's this buddies-buddying thing, it could be that. If it's that though, it still means you can't read.

The debates with other people still apply even if ds didn't mean that because everyone assumed he did in the conversation that followed and that's were most of the condemning stuff lays.

Where have I tried to discount debates with other people?
I really don't see any reason for anyone to think that I said that I said DS was buddying Nero, since I didn't. Even if they did, I don't see why that is relevant.

What exactly do you think is condemning?

I'm buddies with someone I don't know

I'd love to know why you said this, I mean it's a piece of information that I simply don't have access to.

Even through he took your joke seriously, I would expect a normal townie to say "It was just a joke" but instead you tried to turn it around on him by pushing the burden of proof on him. Then you started getting vocal and omgussing everyone who voted you. When called out on it you town read the next guy who voted you. Do you know how that looks from my perspective.

No, he was arguing disingenuously, and I attacked him over it, and what can I say Kid A looked townish. I can't help that.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm neighbours with Nero and d3x. d3x is probably town, so lynch Nero.
If that's not enough, look at Nero's posts.

[TheDudeAbides]

I need to say, in the neighbour QT, d3x started out by giving some out of game things that he wanted to talk about and they seemed like the sort of things that would be used to justify a lack of contributions. I attacked him for using out of game excused to preemptively justify lurking. He then said that they wouldn't afftect him this game, and then Nero acted eaither as though I should have been aware of those things in advance or that using out of game excuses isn't scummy. Either way, i don't think that it looks good for Nero, since the former is awful and out of game excuses is a pretty common scumtell. I think he was using the opportunity to buddy with d3x.

[TheDudeAbides]

Now that we've had that little Garmr can get on with addressing my question to him.

[TheDudeAbides]

So you've given up on reading completely?

[TheDudeAbides]

Because people are voting me for a fucking bullshit reason, and at least two them are really good bets for scum.

I agree the reason is BS, but 99.9999 % of state reasons fall in that category and is all really posturing before folks decided on a suspect to vote for, at least that is my perspective...

I think that's very strange.

Anyway, Garmr has lost any townie credibility.

[TheDudeAbides]

You have no credibility at all When I answer your questions you stop and eventually bring it up again.

Oh, then it should be easy for you. Quote yourself.

[TheDudeAbides]

flubbernugget, yuni, Nero, and pacman.

Could you talk about these?

[TheDudeAbides]

Town:

d3x -the scum hunting when he asked Garmr about how he knew I was an alt. That fact came up in the neighbor QT.

Flubbernugget - he seems legit.

Kid A - discernible thought processes.

New-town:

firebound - I think he's trying.

Null-town:

Peacebringer - I'm seeing more town than scum in his posts.

Null going up:

AlternateAccount: I really dislike his attempt at stifling discussion here:

Now we wait to see if TDA's scumbuddies try to help bail him out or if he'll try to lurk away that epic backtrack...

but his most recent post makes me feel a bit better about him.

Null:

DGB is being DGB, and I'm okay with that.

IAI - there's nothing in his ISO to use to get a handle on him.

Killapenwin - worse than IAI, IAI has some reads out. I'm probably a bit biased here because he's approaching the argument against me with some sort of rationality.

Null-lurker:

nakedjogger

Lurker scum:

evilpacman - 1 post, pushes my lynch and no vote.

Nero: I just discussed this one.

Null-scum:

ABR: the asking for a quick-lynch was bad, and I don't see a legitimate thought process in his ISO.

random midget - I'd auto lynch him if Nero is scum. He went from voting a lurker to a nonsense vote, to a vote that I don't believe.

Yuni - I dislike his fencesitting in 131 and the false dichotomy in 241.

Scum:

Dragonspawn - consistent disingenuous posting

Garmr - has stopped playing mafia and is not trying to read me. He's playing "let's push a lynch," he's doing that with garbage and those moments where he pretends to be reasonable, and then follows them up by ignoring me, are not indicative of someone interested in discerning someones alignment.

[TheDudeAbides]

You have no credibility at all When I answer your questions you stop and eventually bring it up again.

Oh, then it should be easy for you. Quote yourself.

Yep you keep bringing up the same subject over and over ds reaction to you. The the same question line is said just in a different way.

You:How did I misrep him
Me:You picked a bit of his original post did a hack job on it and tried to push the burden of proof on him.

This is the part that is wrong.

You:But that isn't what he meant so anything scummy i did is mute.

That's not quite right. What I've been saying is that all along I have interpreted his post in that manner that he indended it.

Me:It doesn't matter because he didn't mean it that way everyone thought he meant it that way and your hack job and scummy responces to everyone else is why I am pushing my scum read on you not your original post that stirred ds reaction.

This part I question. I'm note sure what you mean by "that way" or what you think that everyone thought.

You: prove it's a hack job.

Me:

That is actually how this game works.

ignoring someone's question isn't a hack job.

you were totally misreporting it through and dragonspawn is the towniest slot around besides myself .

this begins the cycle I was sheeping Alternate reasons on why you were misrepping here.

you answer with this stupid thing

ignoring someone's question isn't a hack job.

you were totally misreporting it through and dragonspawn is the towniest slot around besides myself .

Dragon spawn seemed to expect me to have information that I simply don't have. I did not misreport on that.
That's also the only interesting thing in his post.

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This is not stupid and was the point. Recall:

Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.

I'm buddies with someone I don't know and hasn't posted yet? I'd love to see the reasoning

In that post, dragonspawn uses the argument that he couldn't be buddies with Nero because he doesn't know who Nero is. It's disingenuous because that's information that I simply don't have access to, and it's why I asked him about the post.

Explain how you think I misreported on anything?

misrepresented spell check fail ;/.

You were obviously misrepresenting this post btw

I'm buddies with someone I don't know

I'd love to know why you said this, I mean it's a piece of information that I simply don't have access to.

Your the one accusing him of being partners with nero. I know this was a joke but you went all serious with this post here and started misrepresenting him here.

I explain again where you misrepping him.

There is no misrepresentation at all. He acted as though I should have known that he didn't know Nero and because of that know that he couldn't be buddies with Nero.

No his saying why the hell are you pushing that he and nerocain are buddies if nerocain hasn't posted yet.

People who do't understand jokes make me go gaaahhh.

tda another one of those types doesn't get humor. Well this will be fun :/ tda do you understand what fun is .

Where's the joke garmr?

Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.

Nooo I wanted to be scum with dragon spawn


VOTE: TDA

Cause it looks like you're taking this pretty seriously.

I am now ;/

What you are ignoring is that he didn't just say that Nero hadn't posted yet. He also made the comment about not knowing Nero. That's the bit that I took issue with.

Explain here how your misrepping/doing a hackjob him.

If he'd just said something about Nero not having posted yet, there wouldn't be a problem.

He did but you went out your way to misrepresent it.

I think you've misread because there's still nothing here that I've misrepped.

This is me pointing where you fucking lied to all our faces.

If he'd just said something about Nero not having posted yet, there wouldn't be a problem.

He did but you went out your way to misrepresent it.

This is simply nonsense. He didn't just say something about Nero not having posted yet.

Dragonspawn is

Nero Cain

's buddy.

I'm buddies with someone I don't know and hasn't posted yet? I'd love to see the reasoning

Can't you even put two and two together this is responding to you.

and this is the joke I made

Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.

Nooo I wanted to be scum with dragon spawn


VOTE: TDA

I don't see the lie here. Once again, I think you are ignoring that there were two parts two dragonspawn's post.

This is me trying to fucking explain to you how you misrepped him again.

I got that was a joke. It would have made more sense with the wording for you to have said Nero Cain, rather than DS.

I have no idea what your first point is, but since you're scum trying to push a bs misrep case, I don't really care.

What ever your seriously a headache.

This my headache after you ignore what I was saying and tried to push me i want to ride a unicorn that flies by firing rainbows out it's ass and ram its horn into your stomach.

And as I pointed out didn't even know him on page one where you made yo. Claim and started us down this rabbit hole.

Also if tda was reading what ds said then he would of read it this way.

And as I pointed out didn't even know him on page one where you made your Claim and started us down this rabbit hole.

This is referring to to to TDA accusing dragonspawn of being nero's buddy. Even through ds didn't get what tda really meant (implying that nero and ds were scum buddies together as a) Tda's reactions to ds were as if he did and then he tried to twist it to put DS in a bad spotlight. That opportunistic behavior is scummy as fuck.

Look another misrep this one apparently unintentional which you say latter on. The cycle begins again.

That one was a mistake. I saw him repeating that Buddying garbage and stopped reading carefully and his grammar made things worse.

[TheDudeAbides]

Reposting to fix the \

You have no credibility at all When I answer your questions you stop and eventually bring it up again.

Oh, then it should be easy for you. Quote yourself.

Yep you keep bringing up the same subject over and over ds reaction to you. The the same question line is said just in a different way.

You:How did I misrep him
Me:You picked a bit of his original post did a hack job on it and tried to push the burden of proof on him.

This is the part that is wrong.

You:But that isn't what he meant so anything scummy i did is mute.

That's not quite right. What I've been saying is that all along I have interpreted his post in that manner that he indended it.

Me:It doesn't matter because he didn't mean it that way everyone thought he meant it that way and your hack job and scummy responces to everyone else is why I am pushing my scum read on you not your original post that stirred ds reaction.

This part I question. I'm note sure what you mean by "that way" or what you think that everyone thought.

You: prove it's a hack job.

Me:

That is actually how this game works.

ignoring someone's question isn't a hack job.

you were totally misreporting it through and dragonspawn is the towniest slot around besides myself .

this begins the cycle I was sheeping Alternate reasons on why you were misrepping here.

you answer with this stupid thing

ignoring someone's question isn't a hack job.

you were totally misreporting it through and dragonspawn is the towniest slot around besides myself .

Dragon spawn seemed to expect me to have information that I simply don't have. I did not misreport on that.
That's also the only interesting thing in his post.

This is not stupid and was the point. Recall:

Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.

I'm buddies with someone I don't know and hasn't posted yet? I'd love to see the reasoning

In that post, dragonspawn uses the argument that he couldn't be buddies with Nero because he doesn't know who Nero is. It's disingenuous because that's information that I simply don't have access to, and it's why I asked him about the post.

Explain how you think I misreported on anything?

misrepresented spell check fail ;/.

You were obviously misrepresenting this post btw

I'm buddies with someone I don't know

I'd love to know why you said this, I mean it's a piece of information that I simply don't have access to.

Your the one accusing him of being partners with nero. I know this was a joke but you went all serious with this post here and started misrepresenting him here.

I explain again where you misrepping him.

There is no misrepresentation at all. He acted as though I should have known that he didn't know Nero and because of that know that he couldn't be buddies with Nero.

No his saying why the hell are you pushing that he and nerocain are buddies if nerocain hasn't posted yet.

People who do't understand jokes make me go gaaahhh.

tda another one of those types doesn't get humor. Well this will be fun :/ tda do you understand what fun is .

Where's the joke garmr?

Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.

Nooo I wanted to be scum with dragon spawn


VOTE: TDA

Cause it looks like you're taking this pretty seriously.

I am now ;/

What you are ignoring is that he didn't just say that Nero hadn't posted yet. He also made the comment about not knowing Nero. That's the bit that I took issue with.

Explain here how your misrepping/doing a hackjob him.

If he'd just said something about Nero not having posted yet, there wouldn't be a problem.

He did but you went out your way to misrepresent it.

I think you've misread because there's still nothing here that I've misrepped.

This is me pointing where you fucking lied to all our faces.

If he'd just said something about Nero not having posted yet, there wouldn't be a problem.

He did but you went out your way to misrepresent it.

This is simply nonsense. He didn't just say something about Nero not having posted yet.

Dragonspawn is

Nero Cain

's buddy.

I'm buddies with someone I don't know and hasn't posted yet? I'd love to see the reasoning

Can't you even put two and two together this is responding to you.

and this is the joke I made

Dragonspawn is Nero Cain's buddy.

Nooo I wanted to be scum with dragon spawn


VOTE: TDA

I don't see the lie here. Once again, I think you are ignoring that there were two parts two dragonspawn's post.

This is me trying to fucking explain to you how you misrepped him again.

I got that was a joke. It would have made more sense with the wording for you to have said Nero Cain, rather than DS.

I have no idea what your first point is, but since you're scum trying to push a bs misrep case, I don't really care.

What ever your seriously a headache.

This my headache after you ignore what I was saying and tried to push me i want to ride a unicorn that flies by firing rainbows out it's ass and ram its horn into your stomach.

And as I pointed out didn't even know him on page one where you made yo. Claim and started us down this rabbit hole.

Also if tda was reading what ds said then he would of read it this way.

And as I pointed out didn't even know him on page one where you made your Claim and started us down this rabbit hole.

This is referring to to to TDA accusing dragonspawn of being nero's buddy. Even through ds didn't get what tda really meant (implying that nero and ds were scum buddies together as a) Tda's reactions to ds were as if he did and then he tried to twist it to put DS in a bad spotlight. That opportunistic behavior is scummy as fuck.

Look another misrep this one apparently unintentional which you say latter on. The cycle begins again.

That one was a mistake. I saw him repeating that Buddying garbage and stopped reading carefully and his grammar made things worse.

[TheDudeAbides]

Well, then you should probably move your vote.

[TheDudeAbides]

Why didn't you try to correct him when he mistook buddying for buddy instead you pretty much laughed in a new players face and told him to quit.

No, that is after it happened a few times. Here was the first:

I'm buddies with someone I don't know

I'd love to know why you said this, I mean it's a piece of information that I simply don't have access to.

if you don't know then you clearly can't read. But we both know you can since you managed to edit the post and cut off half the question as well as the request for you to produce some sort of reasoning for your accusation that I was buddying someone who I still haven't even seen a post from.

the question at this point is why go to the lengths of making an accusation, then editing the post asking you to back it up to try to incriminate me. It doesn't make any sense. It's also pretty darn scummy. But is that because you are scum o just completely insane and dishonest? I'm not sure yet. But you've definitely attracted my attention.

so would you please answer the original question of why you think I'm buddying Nero? I fugue the more you talk the easier it will be to determine your alignment.

and my response:

I didn't accuse you of buddying Nero; I said buddies with Nero, and I said it because LOL RVS, and something you said made me think "hmmmmm"

I tried to correct him immediately.

I don't understand that point that you are making in 1:

1.Where have I tried to discount debates with other people?

As an example, you use the the following post by me:

Flubber joins the list of people who don't know what and means.

I didn't realize you could read my mind so tell me why I'm scumreading you?

From the context, it seems that you thinkI misrepped DS, I'd assumed over him saying (to paraphrase) "I don't know Nero, and Nero hasn't posted, so how could I be buddies with him" and me ignoring the second part off the sentence while focussing on the first.

But now that there's this buddies-buddying thing, it could be that. If it's that though, it still means you can't read.

At first I thought that Flubber was attacking me using the same reasoning that you were, not paying attention to the first point of dragonspawn's post. Later, I also considered that he may have been making the buddies-buddying mistake. He also attacked me here:

VOTE: TDA

Though I do find it very interesting that dragonspawn never called out TDA on his misrep and actually tried to argue it as a genuine case.

DGB hopping on the misrep is also yucky.

Suggesting that he thought I'd misrepped DS, so I think it was fair for me to assume that is why he was scum reading me, at that point, he'd said nothing about thinking that I haven't been scum hunting.

2. I realize it was a joke it was your reactions after and you blowing out of proportion that makes you scum and if by some miracle your not scum your a village idiot.

I don't really see how you can be scum reading me still, since your entire case is falling spart as we speak.

3.Everything I posted about you so far would be a start to find what i think is condemning

Even through he took your joke seriously, I would expect a normal townie to say "It was just a joke" but instead you tried to turn it around on him by pushing the burden of proof on him.

No, I did not. No matter how many times you say it.

Nope doesn't disprove my point and he wasn't arguing disingenuously.

He was, since I couldn't have known that he didn't know Nero.
If you think me town reading Kid A was scummy, that's fine, but it wasn't.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'll get around to explaining the underlined, and your misreading the thing about Garmr. What I was referring to is the way he would make a reasonable post, as if to engage me in conversation, but the proceed to ignore questions.

I don't believe that you think I'm scum, so your vote on me is rather confusing.

[TheDudeAbides]

Oh, I'm never going to spoiler quotes. Spoilering quotes makes reading impossible.

[TheDudeAbides]

Your issues with me stem from your own RVS vote on me, I put one back on you and your concerned about it even though there is a guy who has 4 or 5 more votes on him than you? Which begs the question why is it such a big problem for you?
At the moment I don't have a strong scum read on someone else (Garmr and Albert B. Rampage have piqued my attention) but this is mostly because the TDA situation has monopolised the conversation so far.
I am on the fence about TDA being scum, there is a lot more discussion to be had first I feel but I will hammer if I have to.
This just seems to be you OMGUS me back for leaving an OMGUS vote on you, which again originated from your own RVS vote on me. Do you now see why I think RVS is bad?

I'm null to you, but with two weeks to go you would hammer me, while two of my scum reads have piqued your attention.
That's a shame.

Now would be the time for you to start talking about what piqued your attention.

[TheDudeAbides]

Either way, i don't think that it looks good for Nero, since the former is awful and out of game excuses is a pretty common scumtell. I think he was using the opportunity to buddy with d3x

So you are claiming that you acted scummy and b/c I didn't pounce on you that I'm scummy?

No, Nero. What do you think was scummy?

[TheDudeAbides]

NakedJogger, I don't understand your argument for d3x being scum at all.

[TheDudeAbides]

If your assertion is that Dude is Scum... and he's

in

the Hood... well...?

You haven't caught on to my meaning have you. You are pushing the assertion that scum either had pregame chat or daytalk. It could be they didn't and his outing the neighborhood to his scum buddies so why the assumption they have day talk or pre game chat?

Since the neighbourhood had pre-game chat, there is a pretty good bet that scum did too.

Why would town vomit that shit all over the thread?

It was two posts, where I claimed and where i said what we'd talked about. Why does it get the "vomit that shit" rating from you?

if he was town he would be more collected

When you've played more, you'll realize just how false this is.

DBG could be acting like that because of her usual shenanigan, or it could be because she's scum.

Acting like what? What makes you think that it's not just her usual behavior?

[TheDudeAbides]

Resisting urges for sarcasm for sake of town -clutches heart and falls down-

After I post, showing that Garmr's case on me has no foundation, he decides not to respond, so as to avoid clogging the thread. I post. He tries to undermine me. So he's not trying to avoid clogging the thread with our argument, and he's ignoring posts showing that the rationale for his scum read on me are wrong.

He's scum.

[TheDudeAbides]

For Yami:

On Flubbernugget: I can easily follow Flubber's line of thinking through the game. Peacebringer makes a policy vote, Flubber votes for him, but Flubber doesn't stick to it, and then votes me, which is sad, but whatever. It shows a lack of stubbornness. His town read on Dragonspawn is easy to follow (even though I think it's wrong). When he quotes the post by kilapenwin, for associatives, he's scum-hunting in a very natural way. He's not tunneling on me, which would be an easy thing for scum to do.

Firebound: At that point the only post with content that Firebound has was 238, and he goes after both ABR and DGB. I think that's trying. I be happier if he'd actually read the thread, but there's not too much that I can do about that.

Peacebringer: With Peacebringer it's about how I perceive his mindset to be when he make his posts. ABR critizes him and he doesn't back down. He sees someone random voting and posts "popcorn" which seems natural because someone was bound to call that (especially when it isn't random at all). Kllapenwin made a sequence of posts: I'm not a fan of RVS, I'm new, I've just worked 12 hours, how to open the game, and votes him. A vote that really makes a lot of sense, and as I look at it more closely now, I dislike kpwn even more. To me this clearly shows scum hunting.

DGB: I don't know what you expect here. I think she's null and this is how I expect her to play. You want to convince me otherwise, I'm listening.

[TheDudeAbides]

It's the "in a few months" part that was missing.
Also, thinking something is scummy and that something is a scum-claim is different. I didn't say it was a scum-claim.
Finally, I only get one vote Nero. There are those I'd rather see swing.

[TheDudeAbides]

Nero:Yeah, not a fan of that reasoning

Is your opinion just that using out of game excuses isn't scummy?

[TheDudeAbides]

yes it does seem a bit early for town to be revealing all that.

Ok, what advantage does it give scum, and why should town in general, and why in particular should town whose been shot, not reveal that they are in a neighbourhood?

[TheDudeAbides]

you weren't actually shot.

I didn't know that.

it gives scum a chance to stir up chaos by focusing on the hood with the false assumption that someone there has to be scum.

Town will do that too, but anyway, do you think that town's who are part of a neighbourhood should not reveal that fact at mass claim?

it's totally inconsiderate to out the hood without discussing it with your neighbors unless it you are doing it to make a scum accusation or defend someone in that hood.

So if I was at L-1, I still shouldn't claim that I was part of a neighbourhood?
Also, I did do it to make a scum accusation.

[TheDudeAbides]

Sure scum have used out of game excuses to lurk but I really don't see how DX3 is scummy for using THOSE "excuses" as scummy.

Well, he's not, since it turns out that they aren't going to occur for months.
I also dropped that matter the moment that was clarified.

[TheDudeAbides]

Most of the time when someone calls something scummy they think its coming from scum.

I don't think I would use scum-claim to describe anything that is scummy.

So...you basically think the same thing as me but I'm somehow scummy for that?

I don't think that we think the same thing, so I don't quite understand you.

[TheDudeAbides]

I don't think that we think the same thing, so I don't quite understand you.

I think we do or you are atleast retroactively claiming that we do. My stance has been and always will be that D3X claiming that he had to go do stuff in a few months wasn't scummy. You re now (slightly) backtracking and claiming that once he clarified that you now no longer find him scummy.

Tell me what is different about our stances?

At first, it was in no way clear that the things that d3x had to do would be in a few months.
In 381, you agreed that scum do you use out of game excuses.
Because of this, you should not have had an issue with my argument against d3x.
That is what I have a problem with.

[TheDudeAbides]

It's not about whether there is a difference in our stances on d3x.

[TheDudeAbides]

So now I'm scum for 381 when I was scum for buddying D3x? There are reason that your "reason" for scum reading me keeps changing?

There are no absolutes in mafia so its not like every person that uses out of game excuse is scum.

No, your 381, just clarified what I always thought. That your comment about disliking my reasoning in the neighbourhood thread was disingenuous:

Nero acted eaither as though I should have been aware of those things in advance or that using out of game excuses isn't scummy. Either way, i don't think that it looks good for Nero, since the former is awful and out of game excuses is a pretty common scumtell.

[TheDudeAbides]

So I should have believed he was scummy since he has a life outside of the game?

That's not the problem.
The problem is with you having an issue with my argument against d3x.

[TheDudeAbides]

Your issues with me stem from your own RVS vote on me, I put one back on you and your concerned about it even though there is a guy who has 4 or 5 more votes on him than you? Which begs the question why is it such a big problem for you?
At the moment I don't have a strong scum read on someone else (Garmr and Albert B. Rampage have piqued my attention) but this is mostly because the TDA situation has monopolised the conversation so far.
I am on the fence about TDA being scum, there is a lot more discussion to be had first I feel but I will hammer if I have to.
This just seems to be you OMGUS me back for leaving an OMGUS vote on you, which again originated from your own RVS vote on me. Do you now see why I think RVS is bad?

I'm null to you, but with two weeks to go you would hammer me, while two of my scum reads have piqued your attention.
That's a shame.

Now would be the time for you to start talking about what piqued your attention.

LOL
This looks like an attempt to direct attention away from yourself. Killapenwin qualified the statement with "if I have to" so don't even go there. Scumread on TDA intensified even more.

[TheDudeAbides]

Oops,

Your issues with me stem from your own RVS vote on me, I put one back on you and your concerned about it even though there is a guy who has 4 or 5 more votes on him than you? Which begs the question why is it such a big problem for you?
At the moment I don't have a strong scum read on someone else (Garmr and Albert B. Rampage have piqued my attention) but this is mostly because the TDA situation has monopolised the conversation so far.
I am on the fence about TDA being scum, there is a lot more discussion to be had first I feel but I will hammer if I have to.
This just seems to be you OMGUS me back for leaving an OMGUS vote on you, which again originated from your own RVS vote on me. Do you now see why I think RVS is bad?

I'm null to you, but with two weeks to go you would hammer me, while two of my scum reads have piqued your attention.
That's a shame.

Now would be the time for you to start talking about what piqued your attention.

This looks like an attempt to direct attention away from yourself. Killapenwin qualified the statement with "if I have to" so don't even go there. Scumread on TDA intensified even more.

LOL

[TheDudeAbides]

Kid A, what's your read on d3x?

[TheDudeAbides]

He's "possible scum" is too vague to have any meaning.

Could you give reads on other people?

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm pretty pissed at peacebringer for ignoring the argument when he posted.

and I don't understand why he is voting Flubbernugget.

[TheDudeAbides]

Fuck you Garmr. Read the thread.

[TheDudeAbides]

Yuni, you should probably be explaining your vote on me now.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm neighbours with Nero and d3x. d3x is probably town, so lynch Nero.
If that's not enough, look at Nero's posts.

I need to say, in the neighbour QT, d3x started out by giving some out of game things that he wanted to talk about and they seemed like the sort of things that would be used to justify a lack of contributions. I attacked him for using out of game excused to preemptively justify lurking. He then said that they wouldn't afftect him this game, and then Nero acted eaither as though I should have been aware of those things in advance or that using out of game excuses isn't scummy. Either way, i don't think that it looks good for Nero, since the former is awful and out of game excuses is a pretty common scumtell. I think he was using the opportunity to buddy with d3x.

[TheDudeAbides]

Then there is this exhange where Nero does his damnedest to twist my point.

Either way, i don't think that it looks good for Nero, since the former is awful and out of game excuses is a pretty common scumtell. I think he was using the opportunity to buddy with d3x

So you are claiming that you acted scummy and b/c I didn't pounce on you that I'm scummy?

No, Nero. What do you think was scummy?

Well you saying that my not liking your reasoning for calling D3X scum is buddying him which isn't all that dissimilar to my claim that you are calling me scum for not pouncing on him.

here's a rundown of what went down in the thread.

D3X: I'll be doing some stuff in a few months.
TDA: That's a scumclaim.
Nero:Why?
DX3: He's using out of game excuses
Nero:Yeah, not a fan of that reasoning

And if you think I am scum then why aren't you voting me?

It's the "in a few months" part that was missing.
Also, thinking something is scummy and that something is a scum-claim is different. I didn't say it was a scum-claim.
Finally, I only get one vote Nero. There are those I'd rather see swing.

Nero:Yeah, not a fan of that reasoning

Is your opinion just that using out of game excuses isn't scummy?

Nero:Yeah, not a fan of that reasoning

Is your opinion just that using out of game excuses isn't scummy?

Sure scum have used out of game excuses to lurk but I really don't see how DX3 is scummy for using THOSE "excuses" as scummy.

Your reasoning for calling me scum is shit bro.

Sure scum have used out of game excuses to lurk but I really don't see how DX3 is scummy for using THOSE "excuses" as scummy.

Well, he's not, since it turns out that they aren't going to occur for months.
I also dropped that matter the moment that was clarified.

Also, thinking something is scummy and that something is a scum-claim is different. I didn't say it was a scum-claim.

Most of the time when someone calls something scummy they think its coming from scum.

I also dropped that matter the moment that was clarified.

So...you basically think the same thing as me but I'm somehow scummy for that?

Most of the time when someone calls something scummy they think its coming from scum.

I don't think I would use scum-claim to describe anything that is scummy.

So...you basically think the same thing as me but I'm somehow scummy for that?

I don't think that we think the same thing, so I don't quite understand you.

I don't think that we think the same thing, so I don't quite understand you.

I think we do or you are atleast retroactively claiming that we do. My stance has been and always will be that D3X claiming that he had to go do stuff in a few months wasn't scummy. You re now (slightly) backtracking and claiming that once he clarified that you now no longer find him scummy.

Tell me what is different about our stances?

I don't think that we think the same thing, so I don't quite understand you.

I think we do or you are atleast retroactively claiming that we do. My stance has been and always will be that D3X claiming that he had to go do stuff in a few months wasn't scummy. You re now (slightly) backtracking and claiming that once he clarified that you now no longer find him scummy.

Tell me what is different about our stances?

At first, it was in no way clear that the things that d3x had to do would be in a few months.
In 381, you agreed that scum do you use out of game excuses.
Because of this, you should not have had an issue with my argument against d3x.
That is what I have a problem with.

It's not about whether there is a difference in our stances on d3x.

So now I'm scum for 381 when I was scum for buddying D3x? There are reason that your "reason" for scum reading me keeps changing?

There are no absolutes in mafia so its not like every person that uses out of game excuse is scum.

So now I'm scum for 381 when I was scum for buddying D3x? There are reason that your "reason" for scum reading me keeps changing?

There are no absolutes in mafia so its not like every person that uses out of game excuse is scum.

No, your 381, just clarified what I always thought. That your comment about disliking my reasoning in the neighbourhood thread was disingenuous:

Nero acted eaither as though I should have been aware of those things in advance or that using out of game excuses isn't scummy. Either way, i don't think that it looks good for Nero, since the former is awful and out of game excuses is a pretty common scumtell.

So I should have believed he was scummy since he has a life outside of the game?

So I should have believed he was scummy since he has a life outside of the game?

That's not the problem.
The problem is with you having an issue with my argument against d3x.

[TheDudeAbides]

your (initially) weak reads didn't help.

Which reads are those?

[TheDudeAbides]

your flailing

Oh, and why do you think that was scummy?
I don't even think it was flailing.

So far, you haven't done much to really make me question my vote, but we'll see how it goes.

So who do you think is town?

Also, shouldn't you have asked about his vote if you were unsure?

Flubber wasn't about to get lynched, so I didn't feel the need to comment.

I really don't think that "popcorn" post can be used to defend a read on somebody. That is extremely weak, and it can't be saved with how you "perceive his mindset to be when he make his posts."

Well, it's not my only reason for thinking he's town.

[TheDudeAbides]

Ok those quotes still don'tt answer my question at all about if you were legitimately pairing nerocain and dragonspawn together or you were joking around.

That comment was a joke. I thought they were independently scummy, and tied them together for fun.

[TheDudeAbides]

Even if dex would be absent from the start bit of the game with inrl these reasons don't make him scummy. This is shit reasoning because town and scum both have rl reasoning unlike some, most of of us have real lifes.

Using excuses from out of game in the game is more scummy than not in my experience.

[TheDudeAbides]

Actually, I want a full reads list from you Yuni.

[TheDudeAbides]

That could be interpreted in different ways:
-You really mean what you said.
-You said "pissed" as opposed to "scummy" so as not to look like you're trying to deflect the argument off of yourself and make yourself look scummy in the process
-"WTF (scum)buddy why aren't you doing something about this situation?!"

I was actually pissed, and I think that ignoring scum reads is scummy, but I wasn't and I'm still not interested in pushing Peacebringer on it, since I think he's town.

[TheDudeAbides]

And from what I see your both twisting the words a little to push your point.

What do you think that I twisted?

[TheDudeAbides]

Sometimes you can't help it so it shouldn't ever be read as a reason that they scum their other actions should judge that.

It's not about going on V/LA, it's about sharing the reasons with the thread.

I personally don't think you meant to twist this one and this comes from your own personal view point. But nero wasn't arguing that dex was town because of it he was arguing that town can as well so that means your case on dex (original case you dropped) is wifom and completely null. So you didn't disprove anything here.

No, Nero agreed here:

Sure scum have used out of game excuses to lurk but I really don't see how DX3 is scummy for using THOSE "excuses" as scummy.

That using out of game excuses can be scummy. He's welcome to disagree with me about this particular circumstance, but unless he's going to give some rationale, attacking me for my stance doesn't make sense.

This also kinda implies your accusing him of buddying even if you didn't mean it that way.

I don't understand your point here at all.

I personally don't think you meant to twist this one and this comes from your own personal view point.

This just looks like you think that I'm town.

[TheDudeAbides]

1. "Sure scum have used out of game excuses to lurk" - In pregame/RVS, when there is nothing to go on, I think that having this in mind is sufficient reason to vote for someone who lists things that could severely interrupt their access.

2. See 1.

3. I'm not responding to this.

4. Garmr, I'm probably equally worried that you can't speak English, but yes, it is.

[TheDudeAbides]

Also, this still needs an explanation.

So I should have believed he was scummy since he has a life outside of the game?

That's not the problem.
The problem is with you having an issue with my argument against d3x.

This also kinda implies your accusing him of buddying even if you didn't mean it that way.

[TheDudeAbides]

Help me lynch the Dragon Spawn.

[TheDudeAbides]

DGB hasn't moved her vote either.

I can't fathom why you would use the actions of DGB as a barometer for yours.

More aggressive play so we could end it sooner.

LOL Flubber, LOL.

I have something to say to d3x, but it's best to leave it to after the game, I think. However, d3x is very obviously town and is never to be lynched.

Take off your blinders dude, dragon is town.

I really don't see town failing to correct themselves on the buddying, buddies with error after the first time. It just looks like scum fucking with people's comprehension of the game.

kpwn is a fine wagon.

I'm sensing this lynch isn't going down
UNVOTE:
VOTE: firebound
Bc wagon

Why not kpwn?

Oh, and by the way... if pen is Scum, so is midget.

Maybe. Him, kpwn, nero.

I'm not moving my vote until a better bandwagon reaches L-3.

^ probably scum.

I'm more inclined to believe tda is just a bad town player right now rather than scum. So leaving my vote on him at this point would be a policy lynch. And while I don't relish his game play lasting to later rounds, it seems prudent to me vote on a better scum choice.

VOTE: killpen

I'm starting to think iai is more town now.

I would like you to carefully explain this vote.

[TheDudeAbides]

Not because I disagree with the vote, mind you. I just want to see some sort of reasoning from you.

[TheDudeAbides]

Prod received. I should have time soon.

[TheDudeAbides]

Vote: DGB

She thought ABR was scum, happily wagonned with him yesterday.

[TheDudeAbides]

I could swing either way...

And this meant?

Basically killapenwin is using feminist tactics.

Have you ever used this reasoning before?

I could swing either way...

what are you referring to?

Did you ever make that reads list I asked for?

tda comes across as more of a foolish town than scum

So when did you change your mind?

Please can we lynch alternate account?

Actually, now that it's clear that it's Reinoe it's probably a scum slot.
Does anyone else remember what Reinoe posted in his first posts?

You think dude is scum. I think d3x is scum. If we're both town and don't suck at this game we are probably right.

This sort of reasoning is not town.

Ps - like naked joggers last post

Weird.

[TheDudeAbides]

I can think of one pretty good way to avoid it.

[TheDudeAbides]

I could swing either way...

what are you referring to?

Did you ever make that reads list I asked for?

no, i dont think reads lists are helpful to town

Tell me about your DGB vote at the end of the day yesterday.

[TheDudeAbides]

V/LA until Sunday.

[TheDudeAbides]

VOTE: randommidget

because he seemed to do yesterday is demand we rush a lynch on someone without actually caring who it was. Which of course avoids discussion and brings on the night phase.

Hey Dragon Spawn, when did you change your mind about me?

IAI and TDA are pushing the fact that there HAS to be scum in the hood, do you think this is valid.

Well, I don't think there has to be scum in the hood, but you were scummy anyway. It's just that it happened in the hood.

I'm pretty much ignoring those not voting or off the wagon yesterday as there are so many damn'ed people.

Scum avoid wagons on town, so this is silly.

Why aren't you voting me then?

I only get one vote.

i think she changes her reads in an unnatural way

and you thought that maybe you'd get her lynched yesterday without informing anyone of that fact.

At this point, if DGB is scum, bets are kid's a buddy.

Vote: Kid A

[/quote

Why on earth should we policy lynch ika so early in the day simply because he likes hammering L1 and when we have scum suspicions? It's fairly easy at his point to keep ikas hammering tendencies from causing problems. Dont put anyone at L1 until we want them lynched.

id much rather scum hunt than policy lynch at this point. Besides a PL let's the scum do nothing and move close to winning. Unless ika is scum for some reason. Did anyone read alt who he replaced as scum?

can we pretty please lynch this

ok, Kthx is solid Town. Nothing will change that... ever.

@Kthx- Kid A and midget are really high up on my list. Them Voting DGB in tandem make me less worried about her than I previously was. I have Jogger as VI. I'd have him as mostly Town if not for a few finer points {hypocrisy over his pen Vote being a main one}. I feel like ika's lolHammer was largely alignment neutral. You'd expressed intent to Hammer, so what would be the Scum motivation of jumping in there and dropping it? That Wagon wasn't going anywhere.

@Mod

- This game being flavorless, would you post a different Killing type if there were multiple Killing factions?

Vote:Kid A

this is the mafia vote on my wagon btw

I was wrong, kid a is town.

I still don't like those on DGB's wagon

why are you town reading dub?

I'm not interested i lynching Random Midget.

On an unrelated note, I'm not interested in reading the exchange between Garmr and NJ.

We could lynch Garmr, since I'm pretty sure he's doing all he can to make the game unreadable.

[TheDudeAbides]

that was up to 32.
Continuing.

[TheDudeAbides]

Garmr's slipping down even further into my scumreads. I agree that NakedJogger's case on d3x is lacking, but I do like his deconstruction of Garmr's case on him much better, and #777 is really just mudslinging and little else.

FoS: Garmr

.

With scumIAI on it? The hell is wrong with you?

um, her role pm.

Garmr's slipping down even further into my scumreads. I agree that NakedJogger's case on d3x is lacking, but I do like his deconstruction of Garmr's case on him much better, and #777 is really just mudslinging and little else.

FoS: Garmr

.

So your willing to ignore a mud sling from naked jogger yet your willing to point out mine. Double standards?

maybe he is protecting his team mate?

Oh look, speculative accusations from Dragonspawn that StrangerCoug and NJ are scum together.
Hey Dragon, when did you start scum reading those slots?

are you never home or something? why do you need to post from work and on cell? only time I do that is when I want to. Its a forum game, you're not in immediate danger, so why do you feel the need to post from mediums you don't enjoy posting from?

Will you say what you were thinking when you asked this?

I'm not reacting to where the votes are, I'm reacting to the fact that there's nothing okay in the case dgb presented and the fact that everyone is okay with it is really bad.

Flubber is still town, which is good to know.

Would lynch PB even more now that he has posted rubbish.

I'll be surprised if PB is scum.

Only scum are in a position to speak absolutely with regard to alignment.

This is not strictly correct. I can think of several town power roles that can "speak absolutely with regard to alignment". Additionally, some people (I'm one of them) will call someone town or scum in an apparently absolute manner when it means nothing more than strong certainty. You have a point that absolutes do not really work in Mafia but I would not assign any more meaning to dragonspawn calling Garmr town than his being convinced that he is.

this is obvious to anyone thinking about it. Which makes me wonder why NJ is jumping to conclusions.

look at this sad-sack weak attack.

[TheDudeAbides]

These people:
Albert B. Rampage
d3x
Kthxbye
StrangerCoug
Flubbernugget
NakedJogger
Kid A
PeaceBringer
randomidget



Need to lynch these people:

Ika
dragonspawn
DrippingGoofball
YuniChikako

Then we'll be in a good position.

[TheDudeAbides]

DGB because probably hardest to get lynched.

[TheDudeAbides]

but maybe dragonspawn cause hero-complex.

[TheDudeAbides]

Would lynch PB even more now that he has posted rubbish.

I'll be surprised if PB is scum.

Why is this?

I think his thought processes are strongly town.

For the most recent example:

right now after looking at things I do not think there is scum in gamr, nj, or dx3... they are twisting around each other and lots of confirm bias imo...

There's the typo, that if he made as scum, I'd be surprised.
But the thought process is that he's looking for scum, their buddies and at people's interactions.
The thought process is clear, but the argument's not so great - he'd be easy to challenge on this. Scum would want to be on more solid ground, I think.

[TheDudeAbides]

I haven't changed my mind about you at all. You are probably a poorly playing townie who would be a great policy lynch. But when you have scum suspects they get voted on prior to a policy lynch. Like what I said day one when I stopped voting for you. Nothing has changed since then.

But at some point you thought I was scum, yeah?

[TheDudeAbides]

At this point:

town

gamr
d3x

leaning scum
TDA
IAI
kill

everyone else is fairly null at this point

[TheDudeAbides]

but maybe dragonspawn cause hero-complex.

I'm probably going to regret this, but hero complex?

No one is listening to me about you, so I'd love to be the hero and make you flip.

[TheDudeAbides]

Could you reiterate for me why you think those four are scum?

If Ika's going to hammer anyone at L-1 he's a great lynch.
I've explained DGB and Dragonspawn.
Uni because I don't believe that he's actually scum reading me, and his frozen vote on me yesterday looks like scum who can't act.

[TheDudeAbides]

I haven't changed my mind about you at all. You are probably a poorly playing townie who would be a great policy lynch. But when you have scum suspects they get voted on prior to a policy lynch. Like what I said day one when I stopped voting for you. Nothing has changed since then.

But at some point you thought I was scum, yeah?

Yeah but I decided scum wouldn't be so blatantly dishonest and draw as much negative attention to themselves

So, I'll repeat myself, when did you change your mind about me?

[TheDudeAbides]

Why not?

Tell me the scum motivation that you see in random midget's posts.

[TheDudeAbides]

We still have 5 1/2 days. There's still time.

VOTE: dragonspawn

I think I just pee'ed myself a little.

We still have 5 1/2 days. There's still time.

VOTE: dragonspawn

I'll do a write up on this sometime soon, but long story short this is a

long

ISO. At 99 posts, dragonspawn has the third most posts in the game, only behind Garmr and TDA. He's one of the lowest impact players and smallest presences in the game, though, and it's by design. If you go look at the ISO, you'll see that it's really light on actual reads and almost never steps back to take a look at the bigger picture. The objective is apparently to maintain a high posting to productivity ratio. Most of the posts themselves consist of potshots at relatively minor details or lip service and rhetoric about broad philosophy that's not really applicable to the specifics of this game. The vote pattern and ebb and flow of the reads don't track well and don't make much sense from a town perspective (note: he was part of the mass migration from the TDA wagon to the killa wagon).

In short, I see a lot of scum motivation in dragonspawn's posting and not much town.

Taking a long a way around things doesn't say much.

Why don't you keep it short by saying you think his post don't hit hard and you think it's on purpose. Then again that doesn't sound as towny or as competent.

Well, okay, but what do you think of the points he raised?

RM flipping scum clears ika for this alone.

Now, I want to lynch Ika, and if he flips scum, lynch you.
How you like that logic?

Spoiler: @Kthx

- Um...yes you did? "I took the random chance of 30% or so for pen to flip scum, hoping that if he flips town we'd go for d3x." This literally implies that you thought 1 of the 2 were/are scum and the ratio you gave was 30 for pen and thus 70 for d3x.
- yup^

Nope, that's your aberration. It means what it says, nothing more, nothing less.

Spoiler: @Kthx

- So pen was obv VI or was he 30% scum?

There's no contradiction here little puma. He was obvVI therefore unreadable alignment-wise, i.e. 30% random chance of being scum faking VIness. Provide reasoning if you disagree.

Spoiler: @Kthx

Also, tunneling is tunneling. You call him scum for tunneling yet you tunnel him. It's the same.

Bullshit

Spoiler: @Kthx

The only difference is he has a history of it as town and I don't know you from anything.

- Right....I give you specific examples of why his play is his town play and you wanna take a general comment from IaI as more concrete? This is the problem with tunneling.

Nah, this is a classic case of circlejerk meta-friendship, because you or him would've provided more concrete examples to base a meta read on if it was for real, instead of just going:he does this and this as town, or never lynch ....
Also as I've already stated meta ain't shit but discussion material, which you don't seem too indulgent of.

Spoiler: @Kthx

- d3x and I know each other irl (thus 20+ years)....I know his brain and how he thinks. We've had many a discussion about how to play town and scum in this game.

You should have elaborated on some of your conclusions from those discussions, anything else about your meta read is junk.

Spoiler: @Kthx

I replaced into this game AFTER it started thus he had no reason to try and hide his meta or switch up his scum game. My town read on him is higher than anyone else in this game. I don't understand what you aren't understanding.

What part of my response to this makes you question my understanding?

Spoiler: @Kthx

- You're ignoring blaring scum RM to chase a non-lynch. You have given zero reason why RM ISN'T scum, so yeah, you are indeed blocking an RM lynch. Now how would scum protect a buddy without being overly obvious about it? Hard push someone else to the ground while ignoring the obvious case as to why RM is scum.

I'm voting for who I think is the scummiest. What obvious case? I said I'd compromise for a lurker/no-reason-provider and that's what RM is, nothing more nothing less. I'm estimating that if we lynch RM today and he flips town you're going to claim that people who provided less reasoning for being for or against his lynch are scummier than the ones who were on the extremes. That would be true if the lynched player has had sufficient material to base an accurate read on and wasn't a VI. As it stands d3x is scummy for deathtunneling pen and everyone on the RM wagon right now is scummy for blowing shit out of proportion about how scummy RM is supposed to be. It's deja-vu except RM is scummier than pen for the sole reason of having been on pen's wagon, but not much scummier because he seems to be noobish or not caring about this game. Which means what you're saying about him would be applicable if he had been invested in the game.

Mod: can you please ban spoilers? This sort of posting is unreadable.

[TheDudeAbides]

This is vague and the original problem I had with Peacebringer.

It's also too dumb for scum to want to try to justify.

[TheDudeAbides]

Following someone around is a scum-tell, which isn't surprising, since you're talking about Dragon spawn.

[TheDudeAbides]

You're being tricked by his following you around schtick.

[TheDudeAbides]

The most obvious is his read shift on me, which he's refused to explain

[TheDudeAbides]

Did Garmr ever dismiss you as bad?

Pretty sure yes, but don't have time to find it now.

[TheDudeAbides]

Oh and I'm vanilla

Well then.

Vote: Ika

[TheDudeAbides]

Mod: I expect to be V/LA for the weekend.

[TheDudeAbides]

Also, could you seriously consider banning spoilers

[TheDudeAbides]

welp this is going to to probably stop the tda wagon and even through it wouldn't sadden me at all to see him gone. I feel tda actually might be a VI

Turns out it was easy to find

[TheDudeAbides]

If d3x is scum its NOT for the reasons presented by TDA.

and even I agree with that.

[TheDudeAbides]

you're voting a random lurker.

Why do you regard Ika as being "random?"

[TheDudeAbides]

So ika: I understand that you are a crossreplace and all but I legit don't understand why you feel that this gives you are right to not participate in this game.

who said im not? besides you obviously.

Beetlejuice?

[TheDudeAbides]

There's nothing special about him amongst lurkers except for the fact he hammered

a claimed pr yeah?
That's pretty hot.

[TheDudeAbides]

If that is ika's scum strategy, more power to him...I don't buy it.

Are you saying that you haven't seen scum hammer a pr or that you haven't seen scum lurk or that you haven't seen the combination?
Because I really don't buy the first two options and if it's the third then I question why you don't want Ika dead.

[TheDudeAbides]

SCUM SLIP ALERT: Last line of this post insinuates that DGB is positively town.

hmmmm, no. Most town people implicitly accept that they could be wrong about a read.

[TheDudeAbides]

I haven't seen scum replace into a game, cast only 1 vote that day, it being the hammer on a claimed power role after someone else (i believe flubber) claimed intent to hammer. All whilst lurking, no.

This is incredibly specific.
Do you think that scum don't lurk or something?
I just can't fathom why you are using this as a reason to defend Ika.

[TheDudeAbides]

This makes you and TTA look scummy.

I assume you mean me. How does this aply me?

dragonspawn and d3x

Dragon spaw is town and dex is probally town.

Are you calling dragonspawn town because he helped you gang up on TTA? This makes you and TTA look scummy.

first, who so TTA?

second, when did I gang up on him or her?

third, how would game and me ganging up on TTA make this TTA scummy?

I'm scum, and I'm going to pretend that I don't know what he was talking about to make a useless fucking post.

[TheDudeAbides]

Garmr, what scum meta on RM are you using?

[TheDudeAbides]

So, there is no way I'd vote for Nero today.
IAI appears increasingly scummy.

[TheDudeAbides]

TellTaleHeart, could you bullet why you are voting for Nero?

[TheDudeAbides]

*

Ignoring his neighbors.

*

Snippy and defensive posting.

*

Case on IAI is skeletal.

*

Lurker wagon votes are meh.

You should abandon the idea that "lurker wagon votes are meh" and vote for Ika.
hammering claimed pr trumps all of that.

[TheDudeAbides]

To TTH

That first thing's not scummy. He has more of an opportunity to work out his read on me and d3x than on others.
I don't think that the second thing is a scum tell.
The third thing is too demanding at this point.

[TheDudeAbides]

Because I don't see why scum ika would hammer/draw attention when he could have just lurked and let flubber do it?

No, but it's hi lighted well by the fact that this sort of view:

When did people stop learning how to play this game? Scum don't say "Here I am, here I am". They lurk, they refuse to make stances, they go after low hanging fruit. It is a simple formula people...

is too simplistic too be realistic, so I have a hard believing that you believe in it.

[TheDudeAbides]

where is the motivation for scum ika to hammer and draw wrath of players like yourself the next day when he could have just let flubber do it? Do you think he is a bad scum player?

To create a wifom defense for himself.
I don't know Ika's scum play, so I can't pass judgement on that.

I also think that scum are more likely to play to a formula like: I hammer people at L-1, rather that play in a more nuanced style, like: I would ordinarily hammer him, but I won't this time, so I really think that the meta defense is worthless.

[TheDudeAbides]

Oh, and there is scum motivation in creating a game environment where people are afraid to put other people at L-1, since it makes for a more timid town that won't run people up to put pressure on them as easily and in the long run will probably lead to prompting more claims.

[TheDudeAbides]

then you should vote him.

[TheDudeAbides]

Garmr, what scum meta on RM are you using?

Go fudge yourself I explained it more than once. First time with as the case second time to telltale hear. Not making the same post 3 times because your lazy.

I only found this post:

We should all compile a reads list. I'll go first. D3x is scum. Thank you.

Rinshan

If random midget flips scum I would consider naked jogger likely scum as well. I actually was going to try to keep my scum read I developed last night on random midget hidden till he gave a reads list. Naked Jogger post here was prematurely was trying to diffuse the value of my push.

Random midget is quite happy to not hunt when he is scum fire and ice There's was no hunting at all done by him just observations.

His hope game Shows as town he does have concern over who his lynches, trying to avoid a quick lynch while in this game he couldn't give a fudge.

Malas mewbie game (don't worry it's finished even through it says day 3) shows natural progress in random midgets town game. His current game has gone back to his earlier games style with some of his scum traits.

VOTE: random midget

which doesn't seem to justify this:

But look at the time line on the RM. You can see him improve game by game. He also provides more content and stays more on topic. But he reverts back to his older ways and his scum game mirrors this one even through it's subtle.

[TheDudeAbides]

I want to know if you are full of shit or not, so link the scum games that show what you are talking about.

[TheDudeAbides]

I want to know if you are full of shit or not, so link the scum games that show what you are talking about.

His only had one fucking scum in his fucking history.

I think your meta of him is wrought with confirmation bias.

[TheDudeAbides]

Oh hay it's Dragonspawn, who still hasn't explained when his read on me changed.

[TheDudeAbides]

I cannot figure out why tda keeps pretending that I haven't explained why and when i shifted my vote from him to pen day 1 as I told everyone at the time why and repeated it the first time he asked today.

LOL.
Let me be clear - at what post number did you change your mind.

[TheDudeAbides]

Oh hay it's Dragonspawn, who still hasn't explained when his read on me changed.

you know, simply repeating it again and again doesn't make it true. Especially when I explained it when I changed my vote and again the first time you asked. I know you like lying in this game, but you seriously need to start being serious or the scum will win

Also a quote where you think that you answered it would be good too.

[TheDudeAbides]

I cannot figure out why tda keeps pretending that I haven't explained why and when i shifted my vote from him to pen day 1 as I told everyone at the time why and repeated it the first time he asked today.

LOL.
Let me be clear - at what post number did you change your mind.

yeah you can do your own homework. You've already proven multiple times that you ignore responses

No, you've never explained.
I can't quote your whole ISO here.
If you've done it, you can quote yourself.

[TheDudeAbides]

There's literally no town motivation for this sort of bs from dragonspawn.

[TheDudeAbides]

With day talk?

[TheDudeAbides]

Garmr, what original thoughts has DS had in the QT?
Can you state the time stamps of when he said them?

[TheDudeAbides]

Also what stuff did DS say pregame that made you town read him 'cause that sounds foolish?

[TheDudeAbides]

Sorry I misread.

[TheDudeAbides]

DS what did you and Garmr talk about pregame?

[TheDudeAbides]

DS, what made you town read Garmr?
I still want to know when you changed your mind about me.

[TheDudeAbides]

Ika (9): TheDudeAbides, Nero Cain, randomidget, Dripping Goofball, TellTaleHeart, IAI, kthxbye, dragon, NC

There. No Lynch avoided. Going to eat now.

You counted Nero twice. 2nd and last.

[TheDudeAbides]

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[TheDudeAbides]

Vote:Dragonspawn

You should too!

[TheDudeAbides]

Vote:Dragonspawn

[TheDudeAbides]

What did you and DS talk about last night?

[TheDudeAbides]

Hey Garmr, you're cute.
Whachaguysmatalkabout?