NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)

[TheDudeAbides]

They are both quite likely to be town.

[TheDudeAbides]

Nero under pressure seemed townie, and so did his move on Ika.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm assuming you probably are because I have little doubt that you do know because you are one of the remaining scum

Who do you think his buddies are?

[TheDudeAbides]

Oh well. May as well. Your lucky random

VOTE: ika

If you like slips, how did ika know DS was the lucky choice?

[TheDudeAbides]

LOL everyone I'm suspicious of is voting for Nero.

[TheDudeAbides]

I know kthx has a question for me. I'll answer tomorrowish.

[TheDudeAbides]

Vote: ABR

I won't be voting for Nero.

I have some more stuff to say, but that will probably have to wait at least 24 hours.

[TheDudeAbides]

Yes. RM should die.

Vote: Random midget

[TheDudeAbides]

so folks voting RM think there was really a scum on scum run-up? Really...

I had one reason for thinking that it wasn't the case.
After RM's continued play, I don't care about that idea any more.
it's far from impossible to have a scum-scum run up.

[TheDudeAbides]

Ironically someone recently said that I had one of the best playstyle on mafiascum.

If this is from an on going game, can RM be promptly mod-killed?

[TheDudeAbides]

I've also decided that Garmr and DS are both town or both scum.
They also need to full claim at least two days before LYLO.

[TheDudeAbides]

I just remember that AA's (scum's) attack on me for attacking Garmr, provoked Garmr to also attack me, so it's actually really unlikely that they are all scum. So I guess I don't really care all that much about them claiming early at the moment.

[TheDudeAbides]

Explain to me how that is any indication of me being scum. And later on you put me on your scum list as if I was confirmt scum. Little quick on the accusation here?

Oh my.

and SC rockets up the scum list.

[TheDudeAbides]

Peace bringer, can you link the game with Nero?

[TheDudeAbides]

Why do you think SC is town?

[TheDudeAbides]

ALSO: NERO IS AT L-1, AND I DON'T WANT THE DAY TO END YET, SO NO HAMMERING MMMMMMKAY

[TheDudeAbides]

because that's a town post

I'm glad you think, so, but why?

[TheDudeAbides]

I don't think it's L-1

Nero Cain (5): Garmr, StrangerCoug, Peacebringer, Flubbernugget, randomidget

and you.

[TheDudeAbides]

ohyes it is.

Because he's like, this shit ain't town you scummy fuck. And that's town in my book

What will you think about it, if Nero is town?

[TheDudeAbides]

ohyes it is.

Because he's like, this shit ain't town you scummy fuck. And that's town in my book

What will you think about it, if Nero is town?

hmmm, I see, it's about IAI.

[TheDudeAbides]

I don't think that calling thing scummy is townie, so perhaps you could elaborate on that.

[TheDudeAbides]

That post was scummy, and SC called it out for being scummy. Look, this is an intelligent guessing game and I'm guessing that SC is town because he's calling out a scummy post for what it is. So why don't you think it's town?

PS - Nero voters I'm still waiting for a reason you think scum Nero Nk'd TTH, and please no WIFOM arguments, cause as the only person who has brought this up so far, I'm not buying that.

You ask a question that will only ever attract WIFOM responses, yet you reject WIFOM responses as valid. So what pro-town good is this question supposed to further?

He's not even calling it scummy.
Just just questioning how it could be pro-town.

I think this is null. It might be scummy because it's a pretty weak attack on IAI - accusing him of not being pro-town, but not going so far as to call him scummy.
I don't think it's townish.
I also don't think that your reasons for thinking that it's a town post are correct.

[TheDudeAbides]

Why do you focus on how strong the supposed attack is?

It reflects intention.

We're lynching Nero anyway so what's the point of dramatizing at this point?

I'm not dramatizing, and I don't want to lynch Nero.

[TheDudeAbides]

Why do you focus on how strong the supposed attack is?

It reflects intention.

We're lynching Nero anyway so what's the point of dramatizing at this point?

I'm not dramatizing, and I don't want to lynch Nero.

If there is scum in your hood, would you think d3x or Nero is more likely to be the scum?

I'll let you know when I'm done rereading.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm up to page 22 in my read and SC and DGB would both be better lynches than either of them.

[TheDudeAbides]

Why?

Firebound looks like caught scum in the post that I quoted, DGB looks like she knew KPWN was going to flip town.

[TheDudeAbides]

This weekend, Sunday. Promise.

[TheDudeAbides]

I've seen DGB listing pen as derp, which was accurate, but wound up being on the lynch anyway. Is that what you mean?

No it was that so and so is confirmed scum post.

[TheDudeAbides]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: naked jogger
100% gut, I am having a hard time trying to put a csse togrther but I think they are scum.

He's obviously town, so if you're town, stop it.

[TheDudeAbides]

Someone asked who I thought was the more likely scum of my neighbours.

It's d3x.

[TheDudeAbides]

tonight

[TheDudeAbides]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: naked jogger
100% gut, I am having a hard time trying to put a csse togrther but I think they are scum.

He's obviously town, so if you're town, stop it.

while I'm leaning town on him, how is he obviously town?

If you're leaning town on him that's great and I don't expect to convince you of what I think.

wow, SC becomes the leading wagon at L-2, and the RM hate comes out full force. Makes me feel better about the wagon I am on.

Who are the scum protecting him?

[TheDudeAbides]

Next post, I want everyone's read on d3x and SC. If they survive today's lynching, I at least want this on record. I'll even go first.

Scum and scum

SC scum, d3x I'll have to look at.

[TheDudeAbides]

@TDA Y U 2 lazy to click on a spoiler to divulge its content?

I click them. I find it irritating, and they make it hard to search through ISOs.

[TheDudeAbides]

Without Nero, garmr, and TDA joining the d3x wagon, it will likely be RM.

He pushed the penguin wagon
Look at his vote history
Look at his defense of ika D2
He's in the neighborhood, and his flip will give us so much info (scum neighbor likely clears Nero and TDA, also RM for pushing him multiple days, including d2 vs ika)
N3 choice of TTH, one of the two people she suspected was d3x
Has he done anything townie the whole game, yet so many players have this magical town read on him (kith and SC are the first to come to mind).
Started D2 by pushing suspicion towards our masons and ABR, while deflecting from/defending ika and his D1 hammer

I find this convincing.

[TheDudeAbides]

So, I don't know d3x's meta, but kthx seems to, and while I do not think that makes d3x as likely town as kthx thinks, it's ok.
I'll be back in approx. 9 hours.

[TheDudeAbides]

tda if scum isn't dex or nero that makes scum you.

Don't be dumb.
I'm not scum. Nero's not scum. d3x might be scum, but I don't think that he's a good lynch for today - both SC and RM are better choices.

I think better choices by a long shot.

[TheDudeAbides]

When it comes to kthx's meta defense of d3x, the part that I am most swayed by is the bit about being able to find a voting trail for d3x that wouldn't be present if he was scum.

It makes it reasonably likely that d3x just got caught doing something that appears scummy after the fact that wouldn't have done if he was scum.
I know it's not strong, but I think it's a good enough for him to not be the lynch today.

[TheDudeAbides]

So yeh there's no scum in a neighborhood with masons a role cop, jail keeper and tracker ok what ever floats your boat.

This is completely irrelevant.
But d3x, still could be scum.

[TheDudeAbides]

Oh hey, I love my ISO. IAI was defending Ika. So his attack on d3x for (partly) defending Ika is hypocritical.
I'd probably rather lynch IAI for that than d3x.

[TheDudeAbides]

Also, look at this:

wow, SC becomes the leading wagon at L-2, and the RM hate comes out full force. Makes me feel better about the wagon I am on.

Who were the people who jumped on RM?
Garmr - the claimed mason.
kthxbye- no clear read
d3x - scum

This makes the statement from IAI seem somewhat contrived.

IAI what is your read on Kthx?

[TheDudeAbides]

I think there has to be at least 1 scum in the neighborhood

Why?

[TheDudeAbides]

Unvote
Vote: StrangerCoug

[TheDudeAbides]

@TDA Y U 2 lazy to click on a spoiler to divulge its content?

I click them. I find it irritating, and they make it hard to search through ISOs.

I was suggesting to spoiler the quotes. How often do you search for quotes in a person's ISO?

I mean I can think of practical uses to do so like you identified a scummy post and want to see who else commented on it. But then the solution would be to include the quote's postnumber in the spoiler's title.

No, the solution is no spoilers.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm putting IAI on my permatown list.

[TheDudeAbides]

Flubber is a good vote.
I think that DGB is scummy and there's a good chance that she was bussing Firebound day 1 cause of Fire's response to her.

Vote: DGB

[TheDudeAbides]

Flubber is a good vote.
I think that DGB is scummy and there's a good chance that she was bussing Firebound day 1 cause of Fire's response to her.

Vote: DGB

So I bus'ed two of my buddies?

Yep.

Did I bus my buddies to save my other buddy Nero Cain?

What was the point of this?

But that hammer yesterday... ALARM BELLS

Why's that?

[TheDudeAbides]

Well, I was wrong. DGB is town.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Your last two votes weren't really that good. Your Peacebringer vote in light of the fact that he realized I wasn't tunneling him in this game, and your ika vote seems like voting for the sake of voting.

Actually, I kind of doubt that scum SC defends, scumbuddy Ika by attacking scum buddy DGB.

You don't seem to understand why I voted PB.

Ika votes are good.

You should sheep me, not fight me.

And this also doesn't look like interaction between distancing buddies.

now that being said, I might be swayed to prod Ika with a run up. Problem is only 2 days as pointed out...

So just a run up, not a lynch? Ika is that blindingly town to you?

and this doesn't look like a comment one buddy makes about another - I mean there's no scum motive for scum DGB to try to frame PB for having a town read on Ika.

[TheDudeAbides]

Unvote

[TheDudeAbides]

Vote FlubberNugget

[TheDudeAbides]

Flubber asks this,
quote="In post 909, Flubbernugget"]Kthx what's your read on ika right now?[/quote]
when it is clear that kthxbye is not scum reading Ika.

So this looks like a careful defense of Ika.

Stranger hasn't gotten any scum points in my book. Care to elaborate?

Defends SC.

Can't count, assuming I have the hammer.

Nero gets one post.

Stranger is his buddy

then SC is scum.

If Nero is town, which is what I think, this looks like opportunistic distancing from SC.

[TheDudeAbides]

Happy

[TheDudeAbides]

This rvs sucks. Dragonspawn is the only townie here apparently.

gg

This basically confirms DS and Garmr as town.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm racking my brain to try and remember any time d3x has posted like this as scum as it's ballsy scum play and from what I know about d3x scum, he's the opposite of ballsy as scum.

Which games are you using for your d3x scum meta?

[TheDudeAbides]

Vote: d3x

[TheDudeAbides]

vote:Nakedjogger

discuss!

If there are 4 scum, I don't think scum NJ kills IAI. IAI would have helped NJ with the d3x lynch he'd been pushing.

[TheDudeAbides]

What changed?

I'm not convinced that there has to be Scum in the Hood.

2Masons+3Hoodies = potentially 1 Scum, but not guaranteed.

[TheDudeAbides]

What changed is that we seem to be going down the rabbit hole on the 'Hood must have Scum' thing.

Thinking that someone who happens to be in a neighbourhood is scum is not the same as thinking that an arbitrary 3 person hood in a large game must have scum in it.

[TheDudeAbides]

Also, if your wrong about there being scum in the hood then we can't prevent one of NJ and rm from reaching end game, assuming it gets that far.

[TheDudeAbides]

Unvote

Things to discuss.

[TheDudeAbides]

Well, kthx is conf. town.
Lynching the claimed masons would be dumb, and I think they are town.
I think it is very unlikely that Nero Cain is scum.

I think DGB's interactions with the scum make her somewhat less likely to be scum.
RM is more likely to be town because he didn't realize that Ika replaced AA. There's also the fact that he claimed VT and didn't try to draw out a doc claim (assuming pacman was a vig kill and the scum kill failed)
NJ is somewhat more likely to be town because the IAI NK doesn't make sense if he's scum, since IAI would have helped him with his d3x lynch, but looking at IAI's ISO he was scum reading NJ, so that's reduces the value of that reasoning, but still why not keep him alive a day to force the d3x lynch.

Then there is d3x. So far it seems that the best reason to think that he's town is kthx's meta read on him. It's also fair to say that as scum he probably would have interacted with the other scum differently. Nevertheless I think that IAI's case on d3x is decent.

One thing that makes me worry more about RM is the way that flipped scum avoided his wagon at it's peak:

VoteCount 2.8

Albert B. Rampage (0):

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (1):

TellTaleHeart

Dripping Goofball (6):

randomidget, Kid A, TheDudeAbides, Flubbernugget, StrangerCoug, Albert B. Rampage

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (1):

Peacebringer

Ika (1):

Nero Cain

Kid A (0):

Kthxbye (1):

Ika

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (0):

Peacebringer (1):

I Am Innocent

randomidget (6):

dragonspawn, Kthxbye, d3x, Garmr, Dripping Goofball, NakedJogger

StrangerCoug (0):

TellTaleHeart(0):

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- No one.

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-02-03 10:00:00).

I went back through all the VC's. Hopefully they're all accurate this time. Sorry for any inconveniences this may have caused.
I Am Innocent is on V/LA until Saturday. His prod has been adjusted to a poke.

Mod: can you please ban spoilers? This sort of posting is unreadable.

Sorry. As long as the spoilers don't violate any of the rules and people aren't hiding their votes in them, I'm allowing them.

VoteCount 2.9

Albert B. Rampage (0):

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (5):

randomidget, Kid A, TheDudeAbides, Flubbernugget, StrangerCoug

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (1):

Peacebringer

Ika (1):

Nero Cain

Kid A (0):

Kthxbye (1):

Ika

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):

Dripping Goofball, TellTaleHeart, Albert B. Rampage

Peacebringer (1):

I Am Innocent

randomidget (5):

dragonspawn, Kthxbye, d3x, Garmr, NakedJogger

StrangerCoug (0):

TellTaleHeart(0):

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- No one.

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-02-03 10:00:00).

I Am Innocent is on V/LA until Saturday.
Nero Cain was on V/LA earlier and his prod was changed to a poke.

DGB unvoted.

This where Nero was pushing for a Ika lynch.

VoteCount 2.10

Albert B. Rampage (0):

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (4):

randomidget, Kid A, Flubbernugget, StrangerCoug

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Ika (4):

Nero Cain, TheDudeAbides, Peacebringer, Dripping Goofball

Kid A (0):

Kthxbye (1):

Ika

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):

TellTaleHeart, Albert B. Rampage, I Am Innocent

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (5):

dragonspawn, Kthxbye, d3x, Garmr, NakedJogger

StrangerCoug (0):

TellTaleHeart(0):

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- No one.

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-02-03 10:00:00).

RM is driven up again:

vote:RM

if I can't get an ika wagon tomorrow HERE WILL BE BLOOD!

VOTE: RM

Nero, goes back to Ika:

vote:ika

gonna see where this goes.

Flipped scum Sc votes RM.

Why were you assuming her as a Town flip before you started TownReading her?

Ever heard of bussing? My point was that scum are going to be psuhing the wagon.

You actually expect this to answer the question?

UNVOTE: DrippingGoofball
VOTE: randomidget

Before the ika lynch it was something like:

VoteCount 2.12

Albert B. Rampage (0):

d3x (1):

NakedJogger

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (1):

Kid A

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Ika (5):

TheDudeAbides, Nero Cain, randomidget, Dripping Goofball, TellTaleHeart

Kid A (0):

Kthxbye (1):

Ika

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):

Albert B. Rampage, I Am Innocent, Flubbernugget

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (6):

dragonspawn, d3x, Garmr, Peacebringer, StrangerCoug, Kthxbye

StrangerCoug (0):

TellTaleHeart(0):

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- No one.

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-02-03 10:00:00).

Ika and Kid A have been prodded.
Ika has until I find a replacement to post.

I'm willing to extend the deadline 12 hours if a majority (9) vote for it. I will not extend the deadline past that except in the case of a replacement.

Later in the game:

VoteCount 4.3

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (5):

Garmr, StrangerCoug, Peacebringer, Flubbernugget, randomidget

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (3):

TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, d3x

StrangerCoug (0):

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- dragonspawn, Dripping Goofball, I Am Innocent, NakedJogger, Nero Cain

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).

Nero starts pushing SC:

vote:SC

lets see where this goes first.

VoteCount 4.4

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (6):

Garmr, StrangerCoug, Peacebringer, Flubbernugget, randomidget, NakedJogger

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (3):

TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, d3x

StrangerCoug (2):

Nero Cain, I Am Innocent

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- dragonspawn, Dripping Goofball

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).

VoteCount 4.5

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (5):

Garmr, StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, randomidget, NakedJogger

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (4):

TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, d3x, Dripping Goofball

StrangerCoug (3):

Nero Cain, I Am Innocent, Peacebringer

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- dragonspawn

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).

VoteCount 4.6

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (1):

d3x

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (1):

randomidget

Nero Cain (5):

Garmr, StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, NakedJogger, dragonspawn

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (3):

TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, Dripping Goofball

StrangerCoug (3):

Nero Cain, I Am Innocent, Peacebringer

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- No one.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).

Mod: In the hypothetical situation that there are masons in this game what would they rolecop as?

Mason would be the name of their role, so a rolecop would receive a "mason" result.

VoteCount 4.7

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (1):

d3x

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (1):

randomidget

Nero Cain (5):

Garmr, StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, NakedJogger, dragonspawn

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (3):

TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, Dripping Goofball

StrangerCoug (3):

Nero Cain, Peacebringer, I Am Innocent

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- No one.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).

Feeling generous because today's Valentine's Day. Prods go out tomorrow.

So there's this:

Sry thought I posted more recently. D3x is quite clearly SC's buddy. Hw knows if he votes Nero he will look terrible so he votes the already declared compromise lynch, whilst leaving himself open to a bus if the SC wagon happens.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: strangercoug
I think d3x is scummier, but this will be an easier lynch.

VoteCount 4.8

d3x (2):

dragonspawn, I Am Innocent

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):

StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, NakedJogger

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (5):

TheDudeAbides, Kthxbye, Dripping Goofball, d3x, Garmr

StrangerCoug (3):

Nero Cain, Peacebringer, randomidget

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- No one.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).

TheDudeAbides and Flubbernugget have been prodded. They have until I find replacements to post.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: d3x
D3x scum SC prob scum

Jesus christ
UNVOTE:
VOTE: stranger coug

VoteCount 4.10

d3x (3):

dragonspawn, I Am Innocent, Garmr

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):

StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, NakedJogger

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (2):

Dripping Goofball, d3x

StrangerCoug (5):

Nero Cain, Kthxbye, TheDudeAbides, Peacebringer, randomidget

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- No one.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).

Dex is V/LA until 2/25.

Then SC got lynched.

[TheDudeAbides]

The point that the wagons on scum that prevented an RM lynch were driven off of RM who was not being wagoned by flipped scum.

[TheDudeAbides]

I think Scum is leaving the Hood and Masons alone {via Night Kills} largely to sow paranoia. They will have to deal with the Masons pretty soon and that'll clear up that. The Hood needs to be flushed because it's obviously getting to be a distraction this late in the game.

The thing is that nonsense like this makes me want d3x dead badly.
Scum is leaving the hood alone.
The hood needs to be flushed.

[TheDudeAbides]

Also, if your wrong about there being scum in the hood then we can't prevent one of NJ and rm from reaching end game, assuming it gets that far.

This was an invitation for d3x to give more specific reads/lynch order, since his goals are impossible, which I see he's ignored.

[TheDudeAbides]

Eeps. How was I driving off scum lynches? I was pushing the ika lynch and wanted to get SC lynched, and have been pushing d3x today/yesterday.

That isn't actually my point.
My point is that none of the flipped scum voted you.
It's just something that I want out there.

[TheDudeAbides]

TDA, did your confrown read on Kthx have the same level of intensity yesterday as today? Y or N.

Well, by d3x's claim, unless he's scum with d3x, he's town, and since there's apparently someone else who can confirm it, there's really nothing else to say on that front.

[TheDudeAbides]

Well, I think the last scum is NakedJogger or d3x.

[TheDudeAbides]

today

[TheDudeAbides]

TDA: The counter wagon to our D1 town lynch. He hasn't even been really pressured since D1. If there is scum in the hood, this is the guy. If he's town, I can't help but wonder why scum haven't gotten rid of him and instead have picked people like IAI.

So, which if my scum buddies were trying to save me by pushing Killa?
Why are you worried about me being alive and not nero, for example?

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If there's scum in the hood, I think it's d3x.

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DGB has had some interactions with scum that make her less likely to be scum.

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Ika and Flubber both desired to hammer. Both were scum.

At the end of the day, I was in no danger of being lynched, so I don't see why you think this is relevant.

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There's also this thing called bussing for town cred. Firebound did it twice which might say something about scum wanted to play this game out.

If you think scum were bussing, you need better examples than Fire's rvs votes.

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Pretty sure Flubber came at you with more than RVS. Also pretty sure AA did as well. Yup, pretty sure.

So?

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Is all 3 of the flipped scum voting for you enough to say bussing?

Not bussing, I'm town.

Also, if you think scum's RVS is meaningless and isn't to be taken into account, you're wrong. ALL of flipped scums behavior is relevant.

I think it's irrelevant if you want to establish a pattern of bussing for the scum.

Do you have anything besides defending you'd like to post? Like a reads list with reasons perhaps?

Not really.
I think there are decent reasons to think that everyone is town except for d3x and NJ, and one of those two should be the lynch.

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Arguing that someone is scum because scum voted them is silly.

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kthx, why didn't you save (at least one of) your shots for later in the game?

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Yeah, kthx isn't conf town, and he's actually scum.

Vote: kthx

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I'll try to get back here later, but I don't know if I'll have the chance.
Since kthx didn't pick up anything overnight.

Vote: d3x

Either him or kthx is a good vote. As far as kthx goes, I don't believe that he played friut vendor in a townie way. The uses of fruit vendor are limited and him not saving shots for late in the game is bogus.

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I want to lynch dgb or kthx.

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Tonight, tonight

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Good. Nothing to read and nothing has changed for me. Kthx is still a better lunch than dgb, and I still won't vote for anyone else.

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Good. Nothing to read and nothing has changed for me. Kthx is still a better lunch than dgb, and I still won't vote for anyone else.

I could go for a tda lynch today too. The way he is suddenly not saying much has me suspicious.

There's nothing else to say.

Vote: kthx

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His claim. His cases.

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Lol. There's a good reason the masons are alive.

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What, and there's not a good reason the neighborhood was left alone?

hint: the reason is scum is hiding in it.

So you're going to lynch Nero tomorrow. LOL die now.

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I'm town, so you need to seriously discuss your vote views on the hood and stop merely posturing.

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why are you town tda

Voting record.

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If ika flips scum, we have all those people pushing ika over following me to RM who look town as fuck.

Hey kthx. Forgot this?

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RM flips town, those pushing Ika over RM look town as fuck.

and this?

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-ika asks to be filled in and makes a snarky comment before rushing to hammer.

Now, out of all those with suspicious reasons to be/stay on the killa wagon or with no reason at all, I see scum motivation in all of them. The ones that ping me the most though are:
NakedJogger, DGB, ika and randommidget

1. Scum read on Ika for hammering.

Also agree with DS about IKA. He's so policy lynch material.

I am always up to lynch this type a player that lives to indiscriminately hammer any player at L-1. It is poison to the game. He could be town, but he might as well be scum as far as the town's chances go.

Can you produce meta to support this claim? To eliminate confusion before it starts, I'm talking about "always up to lynch this type of player".

Defends Ika.

@ika: Do you have the history with DGB that she describes?

Weak interaction with Ika.

Ika is 100% town if RM flips scum. If RM is scum and was buddies with ika, he'd know that Alternate Account was replaced BY ika. As it stands, he's just trying to lynch people with larger wagons (DGB) or others with votes/wagons (ika). Scum don't often fully read games (I know I don't) and all they care about is lynching not scum. This is what I see RM doing. Wagon up bitches.

Buys into this convoluted reasoning, but not the reasoning that RM was probably town for not knowing that RM was probably town for not realizing that Ika replaced AA.

so many stupid fucking walls......

tell me when they are gone i cant stand to read them cus it make my eyes gloss

You'd better do better than this or replace the fuck out. You replaced into this game. This game is on the mafia scum site. Every game I've played in has fucking walls. You have been on this site long enough to know this. Do better or replace out or you're basically scum-claiming in my eyes.

possibly lecturing a buddy.

Kthx what's your read on ika right now?

Annoyed? Guess that's not really a read.

Could be scum going for the 'lazy-town rebel' attitude. The thing is, could be town just being the lazy-town rebel. So...null leaning scum. Don't think I'd cry if I had to switch over for compromise.

Fence-sitting.

Ok, here's the deal. I'm wanting to switch to ika now.

I really don't like his AtE temper tantrum from out of nowhere. It doesn't fit with how he's played since replacing in. The more I look over it, the more fake it becomes. I also think an ika lynch at this point is actually more informative than an RM lynch even if RM is scum as well.

I think it's a good possibility both are scum and would explain why we are split on the wagons up to the last minute. Maybe RM is a scum PR and ika isn't or something, I dunno, cross that bridge later. What I do know is that ika's outburst is fake, his self vote is fake, and his trolling is not what I expect out of a player I know knows how to play.

Right now, unofficially I have:
Ika (6): TheDudeAbides, Nero Cain, randomidget, Dripping Goofball, TellTaleHeart, IAI,
randomidget (8): dragonspawn, d3x, Garmr, Peacebringer, StrangerCoug, Kthxbye, NJ, NC

If I switch along with NC switching back, we'd have:
Ika (8): TheDudeAbides, Nero Cain, randomidget, Dripping Goofball, TellTaleHeart, IAI, kthxbye, NC
randomidget (6): dragonspawn, d3x, Garmr, Peacebringer, StrangerCoug, NJ

After Ika self-votes, and the content is that he thinks Ika is fake, and RM is still scum.
Also seems to know that Ika is not a pr.

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I also can't figure out why kthx voted for flubber considering his scum-read on RM.
Personally, I think it was that he didn't think that he could risk being off that wagon as scum, after defending SC, but that's my suspicion talking.

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You too Garmr, you too.

Since you're both town, how about voting kthx or DGB, since they have the best bet of being scum.

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Kthx is completely mischaracterising the d3x lynch. It had nothing as far as I was concerned to do with him being a neighbour.

I think Nero is town because he worked to get each scum lynch we've had through. He would be among the stupidest lynches possible.

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Do you really think the ika wagon was all town?

if not who were the bussers?

I wouldn't be all that surprised it if was all town. If there were any bussers, my money goes on kthnxsbye.

My preference is still d3x > SC > flubber > kthx >>>>>> RM (vanilla town compromise lynch to help ring up the players to the left) > then everyone else

flubber, d3x, and kthxbye are the top suspects at the moment...

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Soon, soon.

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Well, I'm willing to bet the game that DS and Garmr are masons (based on soft claims, TTH and considering game balance), so if there are two scum is kthx and Nero, and if that's the case this day is easy peasy, so I'm going to assume that there's just one.

I'm much more inclined to think that the last scum is kthx.

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kthx, you do realize that you weren't on the kthx lynch wagon right?
That I would have also had to have killed RM.
And DGB when she was town reading me and willing to sheep me.

The problem is that your case that you are town can't be any good because it has to apply to scum in this game.
No matter who the scum is.

What I can't decide is if Nero is scum who's kept me alive with the plan of it being between him and me in LYLO or if kthx is the scum who's left nero and I and the masons alive in the hope that paranoia of the masons and between Nero and I would lead town lynches, and and then try to win in LYLO with the there must be scum in the hood argument. I'm inclined to think that it's kthx since this pretty well matches the sort of reasoning that he's been pushing, and his Nero/TDA must be scum since they aren't suspicious of one another just seems like he's disappointed that we aren't going after each other, and so is grasping at straws to build suspicion of us.

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I've been reading a little. I'd like everyone to look at page 29.

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I've been reading a little. I'd like everyone to look at page 29.

I looked at it. what did you want me to see there

I thought it was pretty clear.
I'll answer later.

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Looking over the end of the Ika lynch - after Ika self-votes Nero switches to RM, citing the deadline, later he changes back to RM, and kthx switches to Ika.
If Nero is Ika's buddy, I don't see why he would make that move, and risking possible awkwardness later, after busing.
On the other hand, I can easily see kthx deciding to bus at that moment.

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Nero's ballsy play on the day of the ABR lynch seems townish, and this

So...I saw neighborhood cop claim with an investigation. I know DGB was pushing pretty damn hard to get that claim and I wanna know why. Like NJ, you tell us you have a guilty on ABR but you ALSO said you were a vig yesterday, so you'll pardon me if I don't immediately believe you. Something is fishy about this whole full claim without the full claim. If you're a neighborhood cop, you have innocents for as well I assume? Why did you not include those in your claim the first time?

All that said, I'm up for lynching ABR without any sort of claim so.....

VOTE: ABR

Albert B. Rampage (6): Dripping Goofball, Nero Cain, TheDudeAbides, I Am Innocent, NakedJogger, kthxbye
Garmr (1): d3x
Nero Cain (6): Garmr, dragonspawn, Albert B. Rampage, Flubbernugget, StrangerCoug, randomidget,
StrangerCoug (1): TellTaleHeart

doesn't.

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Hi

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N1 kill I don't understand. Probably power-role hunting.
I assume scum watched DGB N1, saw Kid A, killed Kid A N2.
TTH kill makes a lot more sense from kthx than from Nero, since TTH was defending Nero.

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The watcher could have also seen TTH N2.

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I'm at page 80.
I'm going to finish reading, and then I'm voting.
Currently, I would vote kthx. I'd also be happy to hammer him.

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given that I've never made any real claim I am a town neighbor.

At this point I fully expect to get lynched and ok I can understand. I was trying to do what I felt was best for the town and it sorta backfired on me.

SC and Flubber are still scum though.

Here's Nero at L-1 bussing SC and Flubber.
This could be from distancing scum.

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But Nero had scum reads on them from earlier, so it's not surprising.

most willing to lynch

2. Ika
17. randomidget
4. dragonspawn
1. Albert B. Rampage
8. StrangerCoug
9. Flubbernugget
13. Kid A
12. I Am Innocent
19. TellTaleHeart
16. PeaceBringer
6. DrippingGoofball
10. Garmr
11. NakedJogger
18. TheDudeAbides
3. d3x
5. Kthxbye
15. Nero Cain

least willing to lynch

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WOO HOO

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The only lynch I'm upset about is the NJ lynch since he seemed townish and we had the 4 shot fruit vendor to lynch.

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It just seems town sided because of how shitty the scum team played.

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I mean they left the person who pushed the lynches on scum and the masons alive to end game and 3/4 of them were content to do next to nothing.

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Town always bicker amongst themselves. That's not indicative of bad play. Bad play would have been lynching the masons or purging the neighbourhood. The scum relying on that was a bad idea.