NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)

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I'm voting with Garmr and DS today. If I'm today's lynch, tomorrow's lynch better be TDA. If you all screw this up after hitting 3 scum back to back...ish...I'll be very upset.

I would like to point out that in order for me to be scum, I'd have had to:
A. Bus all my flipped buddies
B. NK'ed PB, instead of...oh idk...any number of you players alive currently that have been calling me scum. Say like, NJ or Nero/TDA...yeah...scum me went after PB instead.
C. NK'ed RM, who was my number 1 scum read for good reason and who would have been an easy mislynch late in the game if left alive instead of, again, players like NJ, Nero/TDA....yeah...scum me went after RM instead.

Oh, and I'm a confirmed fruit vendor on top of it.
If I'm scum taking those actions, then I'm the worst player to ever play MS and should never play again.

Get the fuck real people. Scum is in the hood and surprise, the hood is coming after the one who is using logic to find remaining scum.

Garmr/DS, pick your lynch and I'll follow. Everything points to you being mason's and I'm going with what makes sense.

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What? Lynch me?! Oh no. Prepare to get hammered TDA.

NJ, if this is still a thing, better vote TDA in time to get Garmr and DS (who wont be around tomorrow) enough time to switch. I will hammer tomorrow before deadline.

I obviously prefer TDA today over NJ in case my not hammering this post didn't clue anyone in.

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welp

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VOTE: NJ

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great....
2 claimed masons
2 neighbors who think they are masons
and me.

If there are 2 scum left, I think we're fucked cuz I'm prolly getting lynched today.
If there is 1 scum left and I'm getting lynched today, we'll have a confirmed mason and a scum left between Nero and TDA come tomorrow.

I'm paranoid as hell right now, but I want to believe we have masons, 1 scum left, and that that scum is in the hood and is TDA. Nero would have had to bus and bus hard if he's scum but it's not impossible. TDA practically not doing anything this entire game and drifting along without really pushing anyone or trying to figure anything out really points to him being scum and the last scum. If there are 2 scum left it's still possible that both Nero and TDA are scum and we have masons, but that will be answered if we lynch either and the game isn't over.

Yup, paranoid. Even as I typed that out, I kept wondering if I'm wrong and the mason claim is a scum gambit.

Facts:
If 2 scum left there are 2 options:
1. Garmr/DS are scum
2. Nero/TDA are scum

If 1 scum left there are 2 options:
TDA is scum
Nero is scum

Questions:
Garmr/DS: How can I know for sure that you are town mason's and not scum who decided from the start of the game to gambit town mason's?

Nero/TDA: Are you so sure that the other isn't scum that you think Garmr/DS are both scum? I don't wanna hear 'no, cuz you're scum' or any other answer similar cuz I know I'm not scum so I don't give 2 shits about what you think about me in regards to the question. I'm asking you about your Garmr/DS reads vs your read on your neighbor.

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I'm asking you about your Garmr/DS reads vs your read on your neighbor.

I don't think this really makes any kind of sense.

kthx is scum.

he also didn't respond to this wich is not helping me read him. Scum are like 98% more likely to avoid thinks so they don't get in an argument.

...riiiiiight. So are you admitting you're scum? Cuz as far as I can see, you just did something you say is scummy. Why can't/won't you answer the question that doesn't "really make any kind of sense"? It's pretty simple. You are a neighbor that doesn't think it's possible TDA is scum. All you have done is avoid any stance other than TDA is town.

Maybe I'm all wrong about you being less scummy than TDA. You throw down a vote on town. If you're town, this is reckless. If you're scum alone, you know TDA will follow from yesterday and all you gotta do is convince DS or Garmr. If you're scum with TDA, then it's the same thing.

You're reckless vote this early is super anti-town.

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kthx is scum.

really? you think I bussed my whole team?

I'm scum that bussed my entire team yet you're town b/c of it? Please. The fact that you are using this as your ONLY defense for not being scum while trying to get me lynched is silly.

Also, the fact that you're alive speaks more than anything I can actually say. Why on earth would I leave YOU alive if I were scum.

I don't see Kthx as scum.

'kthx is scum'

Forgot about that when you killed DGB last night eh?

Yeah, scum-me wants DGB dead over Nero....

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'm scum that bussed my entire team yet you're town b/c of it? Please. The fact that you are using this as your ONLY defense for not being scum while trying to get me lynched is silly.

its cute that you're trying to turn this back around on me. It was YOU that used this same defense (while not even really bussing) the other day while arguing that I was capable of bussing. You can prob fool Garmr and DS by emphasizing words though but claiming that this is my only defense is, once again, putting words into my mouth. And even if it was? So what. YOU have no defense all you can do is push back b/c you know that you are scum.

Yeah, I'm not gonna keep responding to you if you are going to keep saying I'm doing something then turn around and do it yourself. It's just pathetic and flaily.

Saying it's your only defense is not in fact putting any sort of words in your mouth. You fucking know it to since you turn around in the same breath and have to as 'so what if it is?'

The so what here is it shows you've been planning this and makes it likely you planned on pushing your buddies from the start.

Secondly, I obviously DO have defense....try reading my posts. There is no world in which it makes sense for me to be scum.

Forgot about that when you killed DGB last night eh?

DGB was town reading me hard and wasn't going to vote me. Like no way I'd kill that over two conftown that are p likely vote me or you that's been pushing back on me.

Here's why

YOU

killed DGB

DGB wasn't going to vote me and prob not TDA
DS and Garmr are your best shots at helping you get either TDA or me lynched and neither are that suspicious of you. In short, you need Garmr and DS alive for today.
You are currently pushing the false dichotomy that one of TDA/me has to be scum 'cause its being left alone. So you couldn't kill me and you couldn't kill TDA. You couldn't kill the masons 'cause they are the only ones that will help you. So yea, you killed DGB. now die scum.

Again, nice try with this one. The Bolded is false. She didn't like the TDA wagon only because she wanted the NJ wagon. She straight up called me town. I'm telling you and everyone else right now, DGB would have been the last person I'd kill if I'm scum and is dead likely b/c she didn't fit in your plan to mislynch me today.

It's probably best we lynch ktnx his most likely to flip scum and if there is another day after this lynch nero.

....wanna come again?

Read what you just wrote and let me know if it is actually what you meant to say.

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Here's what I think. I think Nero had no choice but to keep TDA alive. It makes logical sense there is scum in the hood and he knows it. He's been VERY vocal about how against the thought he is and had zero argument to why it's not logical. Instead, his argument is simply that it doesn't HAVE to be that way. The longer TDA is alive, the longer he has his hood buffer. That's why TDA isn't dead. While TDA is alive, he uses the 'I pushed for all my buddies to get lynched?" defense while knowing that it makes logical sense there is scum in the hood and since it makes sense, it would make sense to lynch TDA first since Nero 'pushed all his buddies to get lynched'. So, he has to off me or DGB last night. He has already sown the seeds for my lynch yesterday so DGB (who was vocal about not scum-reading me) was the only other option. I've also expressed my paranoia of the claimed masons and of course, he's used that to somehow try and say I'm scum.

No folks, Nero has fooled us long enough. I'm ready to lynch him and win this.

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@kth remind me again who you gave fruit to.

d3x
nj
garmr
pb

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scum

nero
tda
garmr/ds

town

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@Naked the chances of both nero and tda being scum are near 0% The safest lynch is probably ktnx.

Hey Garmr, what game are you playing exactly? Cuz I don't think it's this one.

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@MOD: Just to confirm, this isn't a bastard game correct?

If someone has a town mason role PM with another player, there's no chance (if this game not being a bastard is true) that said other player could be scum? Both would be town correct?

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so if there are two scum is kthx and Nero

Funny, Nero just got done saying the same about you. It's also funny how it took until a likely LYLO that we as town don't even know would be a LYLO situation for you 2 to even consider the other as scum.

w/e. If TDA and Nero are scum together, we lose. If just one of them is scum, after today's events, it's prolly Nero....but I don't know.

I won't be surprised if there's 2 left and it's both Nero and TDA and this game is about to end in a scum win, but this isn't about AtF.

For me to be scum, I not only voted for the lynch of each of the flipped scum, my supposed scum buddies, but I also made 2 of the dumbest NK's in the history of would be scum. I'd have had to NK RM, which makes zero sense as he would have been an easy mislynch considering he was the scummiest player in this game. I'd also have had to NK DGB last night who was, in her words, "totally convinced that Kthzx is town". Before anyone of you that is town votes for my lynch, answer in thread why the fuck a scum-me would kill a town DGB who was town reading me. Answer that so in case the game isn't over with my mis-lynch, town has on record your flimsy reasoning so it gives us the best chance at winning the game.

If either Nero or TDA are town, I don't see how this computes in their stupid brains.

Now, I'm sure Nero or TDA or both will completely ignore this question and thought process and that's because answering it would make them look retarded for pushing my lynch today. GL Garmr/DS. If the games not over with my mislynch and there's only 1 scum between the 2, one of you will have to figure out which is the scum out of Nero and TDA. My gut right now says Nero, but TDA is just as guilty so I'd say flip a coin and go with it.

I can't believe this game is coming down to the wire after successfully lynching 3 scum.

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See, here's the thing. You are saying that you can't be scum 'cause you lynched your buddies. You are also claiming that you you wouldn't have shot DGB b/c she was town reading you. All this is true for me as well but you are saying that I'm capable of such things. Its p hypocritical and there's a cong dis in "this is a towntell for me but not for you" So yeah, I think its just scum pushing back on me. I've already brought this up before and (SURPRISE SURPRISE!) you didn't respond to it.

DGB is literally the only shot you could have made last night. You could not have shot either of me or TDA b/c it compromises your position that "scum HAVE to be in the hood 'cause no one has died from it" and Garmr/DS represent your best chance in pulling out a lynch on me/TDA.

So, here's the thing. You're doing the exact same shit. Your defense since getting ABR lynched with a fake claim is 'but I keep lynching scum so I'm not scum". The difference between DGB town reading you and town reading me is everyone is town reading you where as only DGB really came out and said she was totally convinced I was town. You calling me hypocritical is fucking hypocritical. You came out the gate with a vote on me. That's scummy. You saying you're so obv town cuz you were on scum lynches while pushing for my lynch is the exact same shit you are calling me hypocritical for. It's a fucking loop of blame Nero.

So, look at where I'm at. Scum obviously NK'ed DGB to get her not voting me and voting either you or TDA. You saying I would have killed her because it was my only option? Seriously, get the fuck outa here with that bullshit. If I were scum, I would have NK'ed a mason over fucking RM, and NK'ed the other mason last night leaving me alive surrounded by 2 scummy ass neighbors and 3 scummy ass players. Saying scum me makes the RM and the DBG NK's cuz it was "literally the only shot I could have made" is prolly the dumbest thing I've seen on MS to date. Hell, as scum I could have offed the rest of the neighborhood and been left surround RM, DGB, and NJ right now. Scum me leaving a town Nero alive makes less than no sense.

If you aren't scum, it's TDA. With both of you pushing my lynch over looking to each other though.....I am more getting the feeling that you're both scum and this game is about to be over.

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GG
VOTE: kthxbye

I honestly didn't think I'd make it this long.

After my scum team decided not to fight to live or play in a manner that wouldn't get them suspect, I knew it was a loss. Pretty disheartened by it actually. Once I was the only one left and I couldn't fruit and kill, it was game over.

NK's were just to mess with you all and to give me the slightest chance.

If I coulda talked my way outa death today, I was planning on a No Kill and fruiting TDA. Then when he comes in tomorrow with 'I got fruited last night and there was no kill, kthx is scum', I'd have been all like, 'yeah, scum fruit vendor me fruited you instead on killed a mason' or something to that effect. Alas, it wasn't meant to be.

Ah well.

MOD: I know I said I was gonna toughen this out and not give up, but it's just too obvious. I'm tired of trying to swim with no legs. Sorry. Fun game all in all.

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I felt like this game was more I was an SK than on a team. I rreally had no chance when I was the only one trying.

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I think I would have had a fighting chance if I could have used my PR and made the NK being the only scum left. Once it was shown that my fruit stopped when 3 scum were dead, I should have been that days lynch like Nero wanted. If I were town, I would have lynched the shit outa me. To have survived as long as I did this game, I consider it a win. Too bad I couldn't play the paranoia harder.

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reviewer's prolly signed off on it under the pretense my scum buddies might actually TRY

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ika. Sorry bro, I simply expected much more from you and SC (Flubber I haven't played with before so I don't know). I know you are both capable of way better play. Don't replace/cross-replace or w/e if your big plan is to get lynched on a 4 man weak as shit scum team in a large game. It's that simple.

My single thing I hate is when people sign up/replace into a game and don't even attempt to try. Case in point, I really don't wanna ever play with RM again as either alignment. You're right, we had no coordination...but it takes more than one person to communicate.

Don't wanna be called out for basically begging to be lynched...simply don't play that way cuz THAT'S "not ok" either.

The fact that your p3071 is the most thought you put into this game proves my point. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, you would be just as heated but from my point of view.

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Anyway, regardless, it was at least fun tricking d3x into swearing I was town. I know I've never played with a scum fruit vendor and didn't even know it was a thing. Keeping him alive would have been really good, but noooooooo.

Nero, NJ, and DS all go up in my book from this game. NJ had me pegged early and Nero late.