NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)

[PeaceBringer]

vote evilpackman-

we will probably get into it at one point or another unless he does not realize my alt...

[PeaceBringer]

You self-vote, you make meaningless posts, you don't scumhunt, don't expect anything.

eh, quit your self-righteous, arrogant, bitch-please- TIA

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VOTE: AlternateAccount
random voting the person above me.

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Heh, I saw the 11, and was like, what am I missing, as ABR does not seem the sarcasm type

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oh good grief, going to happen sooner or later
VOTE: killapen

[PeaceBringer]

so would you like this opening KPW, everyone answer 3 random questions... :shakeshead:

Also "reasons" are null and are generally people throwing crap up against the wall

[PeaceBringer]

VOTE: peacebringer

How 'bout that policy vote everyone ignored.

huh? no policy vote, I expressed my thoughts with a vote
like this VOTE: Vote Flubbernugget

[PeaceBringer]

Did we catch scum already? Huh. Good work team.
Judging by that VC, ABR is probably town too, which is fun.

yup, you

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eh, if thedudeabides is scum then color me shocked...

[PeaceBringer]

Because people are voting me for a fucking bullshit reason, and at least two them are really good bets for scum.

I agree the reason is BS, but 99.9999 % of state reasons fall in that category and is all really posturing before folks decided on a suspect to vote for, at least that is my perspective...

[PeaceBringer]

vote evilpackman-

we will probably get into it at one point or another unless he does not realize my alt...

Who is your alt? I know I've played with you before but I don't remember "getting into it"

Actually TDA's first post or two seemed really town to me and judging by the formation of this wagon by the fourth page it's probably scum led. Garmr's 96 has this almost seems to scummy to be town but it is actually so scummy that it loops all the way back around to being scummy type thing going on. I feel like he sensed that TDA talked enough to probably eventually shoot himself in the foot. Ignore my first post it was mostly for prod-dodging.
ABR's reads are horrible so that's even more confirmation that he's town. IAI seems town but that's weaker. The reason the VC looked like ABR was scum was because he seemed like a weak counterwagon to a wagon that from what I skimmed was more sure-fire than it is now that I've actually read. Again, it's best if you just ignore my first post. But I do think ABR is town, just not a counterwagon.

This is a surprisingly light on content game so far.
Looking at the VC I would guess Garmr and Kid A are scum on TDA's wagon. Switch ABR and Garmr and I'd be pretty happy with DGB's placement list.

oh a claim
ok.
idk why people fall for stupid fake dayvigs
I've played like 50+ games and never seen a dayvig.
d3x is super town
oh someone is voting d3x.
ok I'm caught up.

Skot

[PeaceBringer]

7 votes still on thedudeabides... some things just do not change

[PeaceBringer]

I agree game is stalled

[PeaceBringer]

I could swing either way...

[PeaceBringer]

I didn't like what I saw from Killapenwin early on- so

vote killapenwin

[PeaceBringer]

re: Nero- Meh. I'm largely ambivalent on Nero. In spite of the insistence of others, I'm not convinced that there has to be Scum in the Hood. He's been mostly under the radar, but is taking some stances. If I had to give a Read, I'd say NullTown.

Please list the stances you have seen Nero make, cause I see a guy who has only suspected me and ignored my request to provide a reads list of every player.

Ps - like naked joggers last post

this is just silly-
day one and you want a reads list on every player on your say so-
here, turn it about, give me a reads list on every player NOW-

[PeaceBringer]

I think looking at Kid A or Gamr might be good places to start...

[PeaceBringer]

I am laughing at the concept of "adequate reasoning"- you suspect someone you vote...

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sorry been a busy couple of days... need to read things over

[PeaceBringer]

I could vote PB.

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Do you know he has 4 votes D1, 3 of which are for the two dead townies?

its also super hilarious in a cong dis kinda way that he's arguing that PB is scum for having 4 votes (2 on dead town) but is aslo arguing that RM and his 6 votes is town?

you know who knows for sure who is town...
I am innocent rockecting up the suspect list

[PeaceBringer]

still have negative pings regarding strange coug but IAI, Gamr, and DGB have recently drawn my attention...

[PeaceBringer]

Nakedjogger seems to be engaging in typical MS town probing to me...

[PeaceBringer]

Nakedjogger seems to be engaging in typical MS town probing to me...

So your ignoring the shaming the people who were on the wagon. Tunneling dex so much he pretty much has gave no reads at all?

well in my book that is normal for around here...

[PeaceBringer]

Nakedjogger seems to be engaging in typical MS town probing to me...

So your ignoring the shaming the people who were on the wagon. Tunneling dex so much he pretty much has gave no reads at all?

also in the ISO I would not use the description you just did of his behavior... and he certainly has said more than Dx3 is dirty...

[PeaceBringer]

What are his scum reads other than dex.

well you

[PeaceBringer]

what is an actual real read, that whole statement is subjective as reads are subjective no matter what the supposed data pointed to suggests...

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oh and the whole bit with Dx3 referring to some other game and you, there was clearly evidence of suspicion in his post as well as a very clear misreading of something Dx3 referenced which all are behaviors that fit town motive. I would have a really hard time seeing naked jogger as scum.

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Would lynch PB even more now that he has posted rubbish.

what is your problem? I usually do not get this BS from you, makes me think you might be scum

[PeaceBringer]

right now after looking at things I do not think there is scum in gamr, nj, or dx3... they are twisting around each other and lots of confirm bias imo...

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oh and DGB, please tell me what changed for you from day one to day two? If you are town I would like to know what you think you are reacting to for the complete 180...

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OK, NakedJogger is town.

still waiting for explanation of your flip

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still waiting to hear from DGB...
Garmr, you realize what I told you and you start pointing may way. I pretty much expressed thoughts that the lot of you (NJ, Dx3, garmr) based on my evaluation of the exchanges. But feel free to take pot shots.

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oh and DGB, please tell me what changed for you from day one to day two? If you are town I would like to know what you think you are reacting to for the complete 180...

DGB, lying now?

[PeaceBringer]

Oh, I see perhaps the confusion, I was asking about the flip regarding me, not NJ...

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Oh.

You're a lurksack. So I said I was willing to vote you. I'm not even voting you. Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet over my stated willingness (not even intention) to put a THIRD vote on you? Aren't you more worried about StrangerCoug & I Am Innocent that are already voting you?

This is bizarre.

when someone calls me clear town one day and then passively states "they could vote me" it draws my interest.
StrangeCoug is just an OMGUS to my suspecting/poking his direction. A very lazy OMGUS at that.
IAI has me raising my brow a bit. I have to do more sorting to see if it is typical reaction or scum driven reaction to me.
You on the other hand start off one way and based on some comments flop strangely and that is what caught my eye more...

[PeaceBringer]

It is particularly interesting in that IAI was in your list of suspects previously. Now, perhaps you are reaction fishing to see who bites, but your opposite play today has my attention. Since this is a normal game there should be nothing wonky going on.

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StrangeCoug is just an OMGUS to my suspecting/poking his direction. A very lazy OMGUS at that.

Number one, you were not voting me at the time I voted you, so the OMGUS argument falls apart quite easily.

Number two, show where I care what

ANYONE

thinks about me, given that I feel I'm posting less often than typical in this game.

you only started pointing at me after I listed you as suspected and voted you. You have since engaged in OMGUS tunnel.

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It is particularly interesting in that IAI was in your list of suspects previously. Now, perhaps you are reaction fishing to see who bites, but your opposite play today has my attention. Since this is a normal game there should be nothing wonky going on.

I never worry about who is voting how.

It's hard enough to look at a player of unknown alignment, and to try to figure out that player's alignment.

To use a read on

player

XYZ

to judge one's read of

player

ABC

is a fool's errand. It is a proxy read, instead of an actual read.

I tried it in some games several years ago, and it the results were embarrassing. I don't read players by proxy anymore, and never will again.

that really has nothing to do with what I asked you about. You were very clear and pointed on day one. Day two you flipping opposite of day one. I don't get it or how that applies to your response.

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you only started pointing at me after I listed you as suspected and voted you. You have since engaged in OMGUS tunnel.

Where is the tunnel??????

YOU are tunneling! I said TWICE that I was WILLING to vote you, I didn't even make a case, that's what you call a TUNNEL?

I don't even know if I noticed you voting for me, I am modding a game and it's gobbling up a lot of my attention, everything else is a bit of a blur.

But just so you stop fretting for nothing, here is a real reason:

VOTE: PeaceBringerno that is not a tunnel, that is questioning. I haven't voted you, I wanted an explanation of your actions as they do not make sense. Am I a bit obsessed with it at the moment, yes, but not sure why you would react so strongly

Obsess over

that

.

[PeaceBringer]

quote owned-

[PeaceBringer]

Fail. Try again.

I think I got games confused there, sorry...

[PeaceBringer]

FYI- Strangecoug has not OMGUS me in this game. :bag:

[PeaceBringer]

Hey peace let's talk about why your vote isn't on dgb

because I haven't voted anyone, and she maybe mistaken, I asked a question, I did not call her scum. Her response to me questioning her as me eyebrow raising. I clearly also got to get my bearing straight as had an element off kilter. There is something strange with IAI and DGB and this is a normal...

[PeaceBringer]

well I thought he might be bad and sadly I was not around to back off when he had the melt down. Did you know for fact Killapen was town? I did not.
Looking back the reaction on my mind was overblown and I had actually fully forgot what I had reacted to and it seemed a reasonable run up. What happen with his being lynched really was strange for around here and I did not anticipate what happened. I come from a philosophy and mind set of you pick a good target to run up and who is a good target is debated. Someone gets run up, make a claim you evaluate it. Here he made a claim, did so in a piss poor fashion and got hung as protown. I am not the scum involved in the killapen run up.

[PeaceBringer]

let me had that I have probably made 10's of thousands of flawed votes in the past decade...I will likely make many more. I probably made some this game...

[PeaceBringer]

and strangcoug, I ask you why you pick my vote to question and lock onto, why not some others?

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and let me add, there is an old adage that often comes into play. You cannot make and omelet with out breaking some eggs...

[PeaceBringer]

Why are you okay with not having a vote in play right now?

I am not voting right now because I want to see more between DGB and IAI...
vote, not vote, question, not question it is all elements to gauging what is going on... much like your question of me here...
sometimes I vote willy nilly, sometimes I vote off lynch, sometimes I go for counter wagons, sometimes I grab a bandwagon, sometimes I don't vote for awhile, all of which I have done and do regardless of role. Here more often then not what I do draws heat, so no biggie to me there... it is what it is

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well I thought he might be bad and sadly I was not around to back off when he had the melt down. Did you know for fact Killapen was town? I did not.

I replaced in after he died, remember?

and strangcoug, I ask you why you pick my vote to question and lock onto, why not some others?

Because you had dropped your counterattack claiming that you had your games confused (which happens to me in non-Mafia games from time to time, so it's not a far stretch for me to believe that someone could get two Mafia games confused) and I wanted a satisfactory answer to the other part of my case on you. If I wanted to look for bad votes besides yours, I probably could, but I have class in half an hour.

there was not a lot of thought in my vote, admittedly. Of the votes going around, it was one I felt comfortable with. I am not comfortable how it played out but as i said, ommelettes need broken eggs...

[PeaceBringer]

vote IAI for now...
Still want to hear more from DGB as she continues to have avoided the question of Why did you flop perspective from day one to now?

[PeaceBringer]

vote IAI

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@Peace- Do you actually want a Wagon to pop up on IAI? Do you think it has better wheels than the other 3? What would you say is the most compelling evidence that might sway 8 others to join you and help keep your Vote from being wasted?

I am giving DGB a chance to answer in a reasonable way. I am being patient at the moment... and if I decide to not vote or park my vote waiting to see what else goes down and how things play out, well that is my business... you can lynch me for it if you like

[PeaceBringer]

I already answered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no you did not answer, you just pointed at me for being obsessed and voted me. I will double check the answer, but if what you said is what you are going with, well then, it is on you...

[PeaceBringer]

It is particularly interesting in that IAI was in your list of suspects previously. Now, perhaps you are reaction fishing to see who bites, but your opposite play today has my attention. Since this is a normal game there should be nothing wonky going on.

I never worry about who is voting how.

It's hard enough to look at a player of unknown alignment, and to try to figure out that player's alignment.

To use a read on

player

XYZ

to judge one's read of

player

ABC

is a fool's errand. It is a proxy read, instead of an actual read.

I tried it in some games several years ago, and it the results were embarrassing. I don't read players by proxy anymore, and never will again.

if this is your answer it makes no sense to me, it is a non-answer as to why you did a 180 degree flip...

[PeaceBringer]

You don't seem to understand why I voted PB.

Ika votes are good.

You should sheep me, not fight me.

I do not understand really why you voted me

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Would lynch PB even more now that he has posted rubbish.

what is your problem? I usually do not get this BS from you, makes me think you might be scum

When was the last time we played together? 2008? I vaguely recall you were in a game recently... but you had been scumlynched Day1 or something.

Why does it upset you so much that I have said I'd be willing to vote for you?

heh, I am also SKOT...

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You don't seem to understand why I voted PB.

Ika votes are good.

You should sheep me, not fight me.

I do not understand really why you voted me

I said I was willing to vote you for being a lurksack.

Then you became all obsessed. So I voted you for real.

Like this:

VOTE: PeaceBringer

so the reality is that you do not think I am scum then...now why do you think IAI is town?

[PeaceBringer]

so DGB why is IAI town?

[PeaceBringer]

I like his posts, why, am I missing something?

Why are

you

voting IAI? I iso'd to find your reasons, I didn't find any. Did I skim too quickly?

my reason is I suspect him...
reasons for my suspiscions, I am intuitive and the way he is reacting triggers my internal alarms...
since you have play with me/skot before within the past year, um, you should know that...

[PeaceBringer]

I like his posts, why, am I missing something?

Why are

you

voting IAI? I iso'd to find your reasons, I didn't find any. Did I skim too quickly?

my reason is I suspect him...
reasons for my suspiscions, I am intuitive and the way he is reacting triggers my internal alarms...
since you have play with me/skot before within the past year, um, you should know that...

never fear though, I am done with questioning you, I am now going to prod/pick at IAI a bit...

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SO IAI, please tell me why I flipped from a town read in your view to someone you "jump" on as the wagon. What changed for you?
Why were you willing to jump on Killapen if DGB did?

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When someone can actually summarise why I am being lynched (before I claimed tracker) without citing a dozen posts then maybe I will get back into the game. Otherwise this is pretty much it for me.

Did you crumb the role.

This

also please explain the intent of this post...
I have to look to see if you ended up on lynch...

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nope, no vote for IAI but subtely pushed for the wagon to continue and him not to believed.
You come out with a disjointed vote on me after pointing out mod missed SC vote...
Please explain your actions if you are town, TIA.

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since you have play with me/skot before within the past year, um, you should know that...

I replaced in a game where you were dead already and I have played with SKOT very little.

quoting hydra slip

we have played as I remember you distinctly...

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since you have play with me/skot before within the past year, um, you should know that...

I replaced in a game where you were dead already and I have played with SKOT very little.

quoting hydra slip

we have played as I remember you distinctly...

maybe you are just more memorable to me then I am to you, I guess

[PeaceBringer]

IAI is voting PB and PB is voting IAI with 2 days to deadline. Considering what they've done day1 if I ever were to play like this it means I either got into an accident that lead to braindamage or I'm scum.

sorry bud, I do not like the lazy runups we have going currently. I prodded DGB enough to be satisfied, now I want to hear more from IAI. If I do not like the runups should I just jump on board? This post of yours just took you down several notchs imo.

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now that being said, I might be swayed to prod Ika with a run up. Problem is only 2 days as pointed out...

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@Pb- I don't get it. You're saying that you're not going to compromise your Vote onto a Wagon you don't agree with just because the deadline is close. Because of that mentality, you're fine with Voting someone who has almost a 0% chance to get Lynched Today. But you're not willing to Vote someone who

does

have a chance to get Lynched Today and you are seemingly ok with him getting flipped, but you don't want to because the deadline is close? Am I understanding you correctly?

No, I do not like wagons that exist. I could vote Ika. I already determined DGB is town and I am not going to go down that trail. I don't like the other run ups. I could vote Ika and may yet. I would like some answers from IAI but not likely to get them today. I never said I was not going to move my vote, the only one right now I see any reason to do so is Ika, imo.

[PeaceBringer]

What's not to like about a RM wagon?

it is based on nonsense and personality

[PeaceBringer]

vote Ika

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really DGB, your current behavior is not helping you, you realize that, right?

[PeaceBringer]

really DGB, your current behavior is not helping you, you realize that, right?

I don't give a rat's tutu, if you weren't scum you'd pay attention to other players, obviously you tried to NK me last night and failed and you and your scum team are imagining that I am bulletproof so you are solely focused on me.

um, that is a stretch, I am not scum and focusing and poking at people is what I do until I get a gauge of reaction to me and potential of that reaction to come from town or scum...

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so DGB- you seriously think it is scum play to poke at you and prod you and assess you and decide you were town, than to jump a simple wagon that could easily have gotten you lynched? You think I am trying to buddy you up? seriously?

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kthx, I looked over your case on RM, and I think it is a stretch to call that a scum slip imo, it could be.
I read over the ISO and your case and I see where you are coming from... honestly, I start glazing over when see walls and usually skim them...

[PeaceBringer]

@peacebringer I post cases to as to why rm is scum look at my iso :/

honestly, I have ignored you since the NJ examination....
but I am seeing a worthwhile case regarding midget stronger than what I read on Ika...
it is more than personality/play style stuff that it seemed on surface, looking closer.

vote RM

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so DGB- you seriously think it is scum play to poke at you and prod you and assess you and decide you were town, than to jump a simple wagon that could easily have gotten you lynched? You think I am trying to buddy you up? seriously?

Poke me and only me?

Yes, yes it's scum, it's totally scum, you tried to NK me last night and failed, DO NOT bother denying it.

why would I try and night kill you, you have crossed into tilt mode. It wasn't just you. I prod folks I prod one at a time. Too hard to fully attend to reaction otherwise. I previously examined NJ...
Take a breath and calm down.

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Not seeing Nero-scum still.

pretty sure IAI is scum at this point, so ignore what he says imo...

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Says the lurking player, who OMGUS'd me, and the reason is:

No, I did not OMGUS you, as I you voted me on nothing. In fact, I immediately started prodding DGB while keeping an eye on you. Sure, I could list a variety of posts make up shit like 99.9 % of the "reasons" folks list are. I am who I am, I do what I do. It can be very effective, it also can be dog crap. Just like anyone else. You are my top suspect based on the play I have observed thus far. But we will have to wait till tomorrow to fully engage that inquisition.

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*

Ignoring his neighbors.

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Snippy and defensive posting.

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Case on IAI is skeletal.

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Lurker wagon votes are meh.

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[PeaceBringer]

I feel like there's very little reason to suspect either D3X or TDA beyond "OMG I'M IN A HOOD. LETS BE UNRATIONALLY PARANOID!" Even if there were scum in TDA/dx there's still

a bunch of

scum outside of the hood.

Spoiler:

townie response

Isn't peace bringer in da hood as well.

nope

[PeaceBringer]

what's this internet crush you have on kthnxbye?

We made love one time and I'm that good.

hmm, would this be the time to point out that around here some go by the credo of lynch all liars... I am not one of them, but just thought I would point that out...

[PeaceBringer]

VOTE: Nero Cain
Because I love you

really, so you had sold a case on RM in opposition to Ika and even got me to move when I poopooed Dragon's slip focus and now you abandon said case and go to vote nero here, really?

[PeaceBringer]

IAI, given the shift and results I am backing off questioning you for now...
still keeping my eyes open though

[PeaceBringer]

vote D3x

[PeaceBringer]

I still want explanation from Gamer and dragon

[PeaceBringer]

explain what peace?

shift from your case on RM

[PeaceBringer]

explain what peace?

shift from your case on RM

I would think the fact that we had two flips, one of which being scum as well as now two scum slips from Nero would be explanation enough. While its possible rm is scum the newer evidence we have puts it into question. And the evidence for Nero is just overwhelming to me at the moment. Last time I ignored evidence like this I missed a scum and I won't do it again.

actually more interested in gamer... you had a bad tell read, he proclaimed an actual case and was involved with the case on KP

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I'd vote SC! Like him, Flubber and ABR have been super useless this game.

Yeah, that, and you have a COP GUILTY on ABR!

huh?

[PeaceBringer]

I have a cop guilty on ABR, whats not to understand?

where it came from and why DGB knew it, then realizing I really haven't followed the claims of who is neighbored with whom

Vote ABR

[PeaceBringer]

I have a cop guilty on ABR, whats not to understand?

PB plays by instinct, he doesn't roll with these hard results BS.

that was a really passive aggressive nasty comment and I am having to withhold several comments that would not be appropriate.
What was the point in going there and being such a _____.

[PeaceBringer]

lol, alrighty then

unvote

[PeaceBringer]

[PeaceBringer]

vote nero-

I may have to rethink things on DGB...

[PeaceBringer]

IF this were not a normal game I would think someone messed with DGB... strange stuff

[PeaceBringer]

unvote...

TTH- rather than using the freaking smilies to give passive aggressive comments, please identify what you think is going on in a freaking "normal" game.

[PeaceBringer]

nero maybe throwing down a gambit as he has gone way over the top but worth testing

vote ABR..

[PeaceBringer]

But nero is scum

explain to me the scum motivation for this?

[PeaceBringer]

If ABR doesn't flip scum there will be no mercy on Nero, RM and PB.

how do I factor in that NJ? Please do tell...

[PeaceBringer]

If ABR doesn't flip scum there will be no mercy on Nero, RM and PB.

how do I factor in that NJ? Please do tell...

There's no reason for town not to post L-1 when it's L-1. You did it twice.

@Kthx Dude ..

heh, I was not attending to L whatever, apparently you were, why didn't you?

[PeaceBringer]

All you get is the noose nero.

you know who is sure of someone being town...

[PeaceBringer]

vote nero

[PeaceBringer]

Nero preformed a gambit is scum and got a cop to expose self... clearly

[PeaceBringer]

Nero preformed a gambit is scum and got a cop to expose self... clearly

Where did tth expose himself?

In his responses... go look for yourself...

[PeaceBringer]

so folks voting RM think there was really a scum on scum run-up? Really...

[PeaceBringer]

I dunno garmr. The gambit doesn't make sense for Nero as scum unless he really thought most of us wouldn't think he's scum. It'd be a huge risk/gambit and one that would have been taken right after losing a teammate. It also doesn't make sense considering ABR was VT. The hammer from RT and his play throughout the game is more indicative of scum imo.

Just my 2 cents.

the gambit does not make sense from any sound play...

[PeaceBringer]

so folks voting RM think there was really a scum on scum run-up? Really...

I think both of them are confscum and you're probscum. But then it wouldn't make sense strategy-wise, because organized scum wouldn't jeopardize loosing 2 members to kamikaze on ABR if the last scum (assuming there were 4 in total) isn't in a reasonably good position, which you aren't.

There's the possibility that scum has no strategy like Garmr says, or that there's

you are being dense and hard headed... and looking at null behavior and calling it scum
again on RM, you think the run up between him on Ika was one scum vs another scum... really?

[PeaceBringer]

sound play from a town perspective, I meant Nero... please if you are town tell me WTF you were looking to accomplish. As scum, you clearly did accomplish something... town, just a big mess.

[PeaceBringer]

sound play from a town perspective, I meant Nero... please if you are town tell me WTF you were looking to accomplish. As scum, you clearly did accomplish something... town, just a big mess.

I've explained here. What do you think I was trying to accomplish as scum? Risk the lives of me and DGB for a sole ABR lynch? When in the theory that I'm scum we could have just shot him and avoided this mess?

There is no explanation there... I said there was no sound reason to do it as town as it just ends up a big mess. As scum, you can run something if you feel you are at an end. You can play off town doing something Derpy, say like DGB did. You and DGB can also be scum and playing off as being hyper stupid and ride it as long as can... you have pulled wild crap before as scum...

[PeaceBringer]

PB, what wild crap have I pulled as scum before?

I recall as Skot you claiming vig and other stuff in a certain game that I pretty much did not engage much at all. You showed no holding anything back, and this was with 'neighborhoods' as well and you and the other scum managed to get it for a win while I pretty much did nothing.

[PeaceBringer]

Eh, went back and looked and he was town, he was in the neighborhood as town he wasn't scum.

unvote

[PeaceBringer]

the game in question was Xmen age of apocolypes

[PeaceBringer]

sorry

[PeaceBringer]

Eh, went back and looked and he was town, he was in the neighborhood as town he wasn't scum.

unvote

Who the fuck cares

if it does not pertain to you, ignore it or to put it in language you may understand, fuck off!

[PeaceBringer]

Eh, went back and looked and he was town, he was in the neighborhood as town he wasn't scum.

unvote

Who the fuck cares

if it does not pertain to you, ignore it or to put it in language you may understand, fuck off!

You're unvoting Nero because the premise of your meta read turned out to be non-existent. Who the fuck cares about that meta read? Why does it make you want to unvote Nero?

because he will pull stupid stuff as town, the stuff I recalled he did as town and it will only be policy lynch to vote him at this point... just stupid play, ultra-stupid play. Kinda like your tunnels as well and your being antagonistic toward me-

[PeaceBringer]

vote strangecoug

nero cain is being a VI and the lynch is simply what down does without further thought-
RM- I strongly doubt the Ika-RM runup was deuling run ups.
Strangcoug is good option at moment but I would love to examine RM voters currently

[PeaceBringer]

Eh, went back and looked and he was town, he was in the neighborhood as town he wasn't scum.

unvote

Who the fuck cares

if it does not pertain to you, ignore it or to put it in language you may understand, fuck off!

You're unvoting Nero because the premise of your meta read turned out to be non-existent. Who the fuck cares about that meta read? Why does it make you want to unvote Nero?

because he will pull stupid stuff as town, the stuff I recalled he did as town and it will only be policy lynch to vote him at this point... just stupid play, ultra-stupid play. Kinda like your tunnels as well and your being antagonistic toward me-

So why were you in a hurry to lynch ABR then?

in a hurry would be your interpretation, I was inattentive to the vote count, sorry I usually do not keep my own tabs of vote counts. I did not realize I had him at l-1. You clearly did, yet you said nothing and were around...

[PeaceBringer]

Let me add, NJ, that what about my vacilation on the game day led you to conclude I was in a hurry.

[PeaceBringer]

Why were you in a hurry to lynch ABR?

I was never in a hurry to lynch ABR. Please post one comment, on thread, one decision that indicates it other than putting him at L-1 when I did not know I was...
I was back and forth on near, take a read of my play. I flipped back and forth. I thought I had recalled him pulling stuff as a bad guy but it was not.
And it is possible that in the posting it looked like you may have been around to me in your posting or it can be yet another way I am recalling things in my mind a certain way.

[PeaceBringer]

give me a case stronger than mine on RM and we'll talk

you have no case on RM, you have a supposition of there being 2 scum run up and one more powerful than another. It is a sketchy premise imo...

[PeaceBringer]

give me a case stronger than mine on RM and we'll talk

you have no case on RM, you have a supposition of there being 2 scum run up and one more powerful than another. It is a sketchy premise imo...

You have got to be joking....

Try to use an ISO before you talk out your ass

Talking out of my ass is always my first "go to" card...
your initial case was circumstantial, I recalled dragon and gamer pushing RM sooner but maybe I swapped dragon for you... shrug
your conclusion of RM power role is not founded on much and is a weak premise. However, I certainly open to further consideration, as you certainly vacillated briefly. Now you are locked and loaded and the situation to me is odd to have stepped into 2 runups. Of course your takes were based on the KP runup...and I cannot complain about that as null, as it can be a crap shoot on the votes.

[PeaceBringer]

your conclusion of RM power role is not founded on much and is a weak premise

This part is my mind trying to figure out why goon ika was lynched over RM. It's not my case. In order for RM to be town, multiple things have to be true.

1. He's literally not paying attention or reading any post in this game. Seriously.
2. He's so damned VI, that he should probably play about 100 more noobie games and then quit playing MS altogether.
3. He has to have zero desire to win this game as town.
4. He has to not understand that town has to find scum and lynch them while at the same time try and explain why they themselves aren't scum.

If all 4 of these things are true, then I will be able to see RM as town. Otherwise, I think he's a bad player that got a scum role and since his bad play is not getting him lynched, he's being coached to keep it up and look VI as possible. Guess which I think is more likely.

You see that is a huge misrep... point 1- skimming does not make one town or scum, it is null. Folks do it ALL the time. point 2- your opinion of course... 3. Opinion 4. Opinion.
He actually was early on alternate account previously before Killa took off. Your thougts at this point are just pure unadulterated arrogance and condescension.

[PeaceBringer]

Because everybody wants to look town

that is generally a true premise around here but it does not describe everyone's style of play and of course those that do not fit that style get called village idiots and get treated like RM is being treated right now...

[PeaceBringer]

NJ, why do you think I'm scum.

You fakeclaimed cop and got ABR who could've been PR lynched. Supposedly because DGB told you so. But your first post of the day was a vote on ABR with a "interesting " PS. Which suggests you crumbed a guilty on ABR which DGB wound up picking up, from what I can tell. Yet you blame her when clearly you've put the first element of the mislynch mechanism in place.

You've also claimed vig and didn't get NK-ed. Maybe because you said you'd vig RM who's death, if town, would've decimate towns ranks if you would've (been vig and shot him), but more likely because you're scum yourself.

Last but not least you've got your town meta to cover for you. Which one might think makes you less likely to be scum but I don't believe in meta tells. I do however believe that scum would ponder about using meta tells as a shield to hide behind when weighing the risks of pursuing their anti-town agenda. PB bringing it up and his unvote at its climax makes him more likely to be your scumbuddy and partner actor in the Nero-meta-diversion show.

LOL, at one "vig" shot decimating town...

[PeaceBringer]

@DX and DGB-your current votes are in the wrong places. pls fix that

Who should I vote and why?

strangecoug- cause nero said so, it was good enough or you before :p

[PeaceBringer]

1) Nero did a WIFOM kill - then why didn't he take credit for that 'why would scum Nero kill TTH when she indicated she would've against an auto lynch of me D2'

2) Nero may have had a reason to kill TTH - please provide any reason you can think of cause I don't see it

3) maybe Nero didn't have a reason, but IAI did - once again I like to hear what reason you think that could be

Cause right now it feels like an omgus

Ps - no thoughts on my d3x voting analysis? Big surprise

I think D3x is a good option...

[PeaceBringer]

So I'm 100% that I want a Nero lynch, and 100% that I don't want an SC lynch.

95% OK with a RM and I'm pretty much back to 95% with a d3x lynch.

If someone other than IAI with his wifomy nk speculation bullshit, that he's using to skate through this day, can summarize the case on SC that would be lovely.

so d3x would be the compromise...

[PeaceBringer]

heh, will see where things go

[PeaceBringer]

vote d3x

[PeaceBringer]

If you all are unwilling to lynch RM today for some retarded reason, I'm more than okay with lynching SC over d3x.

I can see RM and SC being scum together especially as of late. SC's use of HoS on RM reads scummy to me because it pretty much reads as: 'I'm ready to bus my partner but not willing to give up on the nero lynch just yet'. This is a good enough reason for me to compromise on SC. If SC flips scum, maybe you'll all finally listen to me about RM with the HoS post in mind.

An SC scum flip will also pretty much confirm a town-Nero and, in my eyes, damn TDA as the scum in the neighborhood as I believe Garmr and DS are masons and I don't see a full town neighborhood with a pair of masons in the same game.

your tunnel is getting old, you should be at China by now

[PeaceBringer]

I am not sure why

randomidget

strangecoug or d3x is so hard to lynch.

[PeaceBringer]

vote strangecoug

one or the other, get it done...

[PeaceBringer]

I'm not seeing rm flip scum. If you guys really want to lynch him. I'm not jumping on that.

The others I don't really care either way.

this

[PeaceBringer]

I'm putting IAI on my permatown list.

really, that took you long enough...

[PeaceBringer]

Guys this lynch needs to happen today. So we better start consolidating. I don't care whether it's d3x or sc. Though id prefer d3x.

lets get to it or the scum get a no lynch and one of us gets picked off.

well that are a lot that are sitting on their butt or being so donkey-headed that things will stall out and some are hoping for a switch under pressure for their fav suspect.

[PeaceBringer]

d3x (3):

dragonspawn, I Am Innocent, Garmr,

dragonspawn (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (0):

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (3):

StrangerCoug, Flubbernugget, NakedJogger

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (3):

Dripping Goofball, d3x, Kthxbye

StrangerCoug (4):

Nero Cain, TheDudeAbides, Peacebringer, randomidget

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- No one.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Day 4 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 18:00:00).

this is where thing stand at moment as only vote change was Kthx back to his tunnel after I prodded him about it and he voted SC for a short time.

[PeaceBringer]

Still waiting on more than a 'RM is just VI' argument. If ANY of the people I know here who have been around more than a minute tried to pull any of this shit, they'd be lynched. Why is RM special?

and it is bad play 99.9 % of the time and does not find scum...

[PeaceBringer]

Garmr could still be idiot town

more often than note I find that folks making such a comment may well be the good old pot to kettle...

[PeaceBringer]

flubber, d3x, and kthxbye are the top suspects at the moment...

[PeaceBringer]

vote flubber...

votes suggest this is so... could easily go d3x or kthxbye... still waiting for kthx return and tunnel some more...

[PeaceBringer]

I agree with tda.

VOTE: Dbg

seriously, you have been stubbornly going alternate directions the whole game outside of your "bad read" ...I know DBG has been playing gawd awful but so have you...

[PeaceBringer]

Kth, heh, nice to come out swinging that way...

[PeaceBringer]

Flubber asks this,
quote="In post 909, Flubbernugget"]Kthx what's your read on ika right now?

when it is clear that kthxbye is not scum reading Ika.

So this looks like a careful defense of Ika.

Stranger hasn't gotten any scum points in my book. Care to elaborate?

Defends SC.

Can't count, assuming I have the hammer.

Nero gets one post.

Stranger is his buddy

then SC is scum.

If Nero is town, which is what I think, this looks like opportunistic distancing from SC.[/quote]
yup, why my vote is where it is...

[PeaceBringer]

that was a weird quote owning...

[PeaceBringer]

looks like flubber is just avoiding...

[PeaceBringer]

[PeaceBringer]

So keep telling yourself you played extremely well when you didn't have much of a voice.

you really shouldn't be bagging on anyone else for their game...

[PeaceBringer]

Oh, and I understand the tempation to go fishing for a partner you think is there. I lost a game as my alt as a vig and took the wrong shot for just such a reason when I had the scum identified.